my hunters safety instructor had put smokeless powder in a black powder pistol. he only had two fingers on his right hand, that's a lesson I never forgot.
@@jacknedry3925 the Mosin safety is basically just taking the whole assembly of the gun , pulling it back and locking it against the side of the gun lmao
I don't know anyone that uses a Mosin Safety... I got one at 12 and hunted for years... Never used it... Nobody can use it wearing gloves anyway, and November is cold. LOL.
@Jussie Crowder jeez that’s why when hunting and crossing a fence you unload the firearm first and place it through the fence on the ground then hop over. It’s Basic hunting safety.
My dad blew up a muzzle loader when I was about 7 years old, I saw it through my front door window. He's lucky to be alive. The story I heard was that he tried to hand measure the black powder. But now that I see this, I'll bet you he tried smokeless powder.
After watching the titegroup test this is EXACTLY what happened- there were a hundred pieces of his gun everywhere. He did not get a SCRATCH. Talk about an angel watching over you!
@2be Blunt : When i was 6, my dad made the same mistake ... He did not know ANYTHING about BP guns, and loaded his Colt Navy with smokeless .... Whole gun exploded, he hat strong burns on his belly, because he was shooting from the hip ... ..a mistake i will never do, thank him.
The smokeless powder effects are permanently seared in my mind. This was a heck of a valuable lesson. I've always been told to never do this but now i really see why. You guys i can't thank y'all enough for making this video!
Remember to put a marks on your ram rod that will indicate where the proper load should be. I have marks on my ram rod, when completely pushed down my barrel, will indicate a full load for 100 grains of powder pellets with slug and the same for 150 grains. If your marks are extruding past your barrel after you've loaded, you know that something is terribly wrong.
I know this is an old video but while going thru my box of reloading powders the other day I came across a full unopened 1lb bottel of IMR smokeless and it reminded me just HOW I came to aquire a powder I do not use when reloading. While at a range visit couple guys break out a brand new inline to sight in one the next bench over from me. At the time I was shooting a TC Hawken .45cal and as soon as I saw the guy take the powder out of his bag I was like.. WHOA!!! Not wanting to witness a catastrophic explosion that day I had a conversation with those two about what NOT to use in a muzzleloader. They "assumed" any powder would work because it was a "modern" gun that just happened to load from the muzzle. I ended up swapping then a can of 777 for the IMR and gave them a quick how to session on using their new rifle. This was a remote DNR range about 15 miles from the nearest town and it would not have been a good scenario if these two had shown up alone at the range and used that IMR in the rifle.
I'm not one to believe in divine intervention, but good work. With the wealth of human knowledge at people's fingertips, it is amazing that these things still happen.
I so glad to live in modern times, where I can research safety tips, and even "what WOULD happen if I was a complete dullard". Thank you gentlemen for this informational content.
Several years ago, a guy brought a muzzle loader into my shop, wanting it repaired. The breech was wrecked. I asked him what powder he used, and he handed me a can of Unique powder. I tried to explain that front-stuffers are only meant to use black powder. He poured some out on my counter and said "But it IS black!"......... I didn't know whether to laugh at him, or cry for his stupidity.
Apex831 True, but the incident I described tells volumes about how too many are either too proud or too unthinking to ask questions which make a potential life-or-death difference.
+Kevin S What you had there was a perfect example of Darwinism waiting to happen. Or as the famous comedian, Bill Engvall would have told him "here's yur sign"
JagdtygerII I'd bet that the person who sold that gun tried to explain which powder to use. But, some folks let info go in one ear and straight out of the other, without any of the info stopping anywhere in between.
@@bouchakhamphanh4406 If you don't mind would you explain what your comment is about? I usually just let the ones go, I don't understand. You seem to be very passionate about your comment. I wonder did I miss something? I am asking you seriously I'm not trying to be funny, Sarcastic, or start an argument. Please don't take this personally. It is in no way an attack on you or your comment. I sincerely would like to understand. If you don't want to explain it that's cool, if you do I would appreciate it. Thanks either way.
@@bouchakhamphanh4406 wtf does any of that mean? You even edited your comment, i'd hate to see what it said before you changed it. Explain please before i go insane from trying to figure out what the hell any of your comment was even about.
Can anybody give me their thoughts on using black powder substitutes in antique muskets? I’ve got an 1838 with a potentially Civil War era barrel that is in pristine condition. Can’t find black powder however.
@@johnpenn8444 try looking in your local black powder shop if you have one for true black powder but for the other stuff i would if it dosent foul as much as true black powder
Nic User it's actually a shirt that says "I'm the bomb tech, if you see me running, try to keep up" and it's old. Like many years, was in some movies too.
KWatson1984 They do similar things with modern guns, but not to that extent. They load them with heavier bullets and loads and fire them, to see if it can stand up to around 1.5 to 2 times the pressure of normal rounds.
This should be shown in hunter safety schools. You'll see people double checking their powder supplies every season just to keep this from happening. Great video!
Show Hunter Safety Classes how to purposely blow up a gun, How is that useful information? Why not blow every type of gun to prove they all can bow up?
Savage proved the proper type and amount of smokeless powder can be used safely in a muzzleloader many years ago, when they built the Savage 10ML rifle. Putting a large amount of fast burning pistol powder in a centerfire barrel will also destroy the barrel. These guys set out to destroy a barrel, and that is what they accomplished...
I once attempted to make my own muzzleloader, long story short I almost killed myself. I roughly finished it and I wanted to do a test fire, so I clamped it down to a heavy table and moved it outside. I accidentally put far too much powder (FFFG) and when I fired it (from a distance - with a string) the barrel came straight off the stock and flew next to my head. It was going pretty fast, it made a hole in my wall and got stuck there.
You are not going to get your desired bananna peel muzzle split by overlading the rifle with a tight load; you will just blow out the breech, as you did. The muzzle peel comes from a plugged muzzle such as the classic mud or snow acquired while hunting. A normal charge will burst a barrel so plugged due to compression of air trapped in barrel between breech/projectile and the obstruction.
This is actually a brilliant demonstration. All my life I’ve been warned and have heard about this type of disaster. Actually seeing it happen is very sobering.
just cause we as Americans are mocked and laughed at for our uncultured society, does not mean we are idoits, who ignore a completely unsafe scenario. And people who know, support and use their 2A rights generally know what a bad scenario is with a firearm.
Go down to San Francisco and the average person you find'll be twice as scared of an unloaded .22LR kid's rifle. Bonus points for pistol grip, optic and/or black furniture.
Mister Bones fuck yea shi in Tx U ask anybody and id fuckin run from a 22 shi those little ass bullets fuckin bounce off any of your insides they'll rip ur ass apart 💯
I remember when I was a kid a neighbour lost a couple of fingers on his left had using modern shotgun cartridges in an old Damascus barrelled shotgun. The scary thing was that there were still a few old Damascus barrelled guns around and they chambered modern rounds easily. I had one given to me when I was a teenager but was always careful to reload with black powder. It was a fun gun, put out an impressive amount of smoke!
When I was a kid we got a lot of old BP .410 & 12ga "paper cased" bird shot at garage sale's' ...they were still pretty dang effective! Also I saw a whiteail killed with a pumpkin seed/ round ball slug at about 50'yard's. BP round's are pretty effective in hunting applications.
Yes. The old Damascus barrel shotgun. I have a little information to share about them. When they where new they where believed to be stronger then a homogeneous steel barrel.. but they proved to not be as durable in use. It seems that all those tiny little weld seams would collect black powder residue, and rust internally. Compromising the strength of the metal.tho they are still butifully made guns they are not safe to use with any ammunition. This has been accepted for over 50 years now Clean it maticulesly admire it lovingly but shoot something else. It's a wall hanger.
I think the fact that the barrel didn't even banana, but instead looks like someone cut it in half with a grinder is really telling of just how much energy smokeless powder is packing compared to black powder. Scary stuff. Bravo gentlemen! You've satisfied my curiosity and earned my subscription!
Next time set up a chronograph! That would make for a great velocity comparison video. Assuming the thing doesn't blow up. You could just keep stepping up the powder until it does though.
I cried when the scene transitioned to the new muzzle loader. Why must you do this to such a beautiful gun!? The question of, "has science gone to far?" has been answered.
@@SpotterVideo not a rule to live by by any means, some may not blow like when done right here, but many will. if your going to use more potent stuff in a muzzleloader make sure it's rated for it and not overdone.
@@daltongarrett7117 Thousands of people reload shotshells and centerfire cartridges with smokeless powder and understand the concept of using reliable load data. Muzzleloaders are no different.
@@SpotterVideo like I said it's a doable thing, but inherently more dangerous than just using proper powder. If you're new to it, be careful start small, make sure your not overdoing it. Not you personally but anyone who happens to read this in that position.
This fall I stopped at the field & stream store in Mobile Al. and they had smokeless and reloading powder all on the same shelf labeled Black Powder. Explained the dangers of that to a manager who immediately had someone seperating it
Even though it's a black powder rifle it uses modern metallurgy, so it's using the same metal as a smokeless powder rifle. If you put 80 grains of smokeless powder in an original black powder rifle it would blow up, even 40 grains. I've done this just playing around. If you would like to try it, you can order one of the Indian made reproduction muskets as it uses similar metal technology to The originals. Like you said that doesn't mean you can use smokeless powder in a black powder rifle if it's modern. It can still blow the cap, nipple, hammer back into your face and after prolonged use will definitely detonate
@Jason Puddy Problem is you get a squib if there's not enough charge and an explosion if there's too much. Maybe you could find the perfect amount of smokeless/pistol powder but I wouldn't want to trial-and-error that.
@@DoubleYouDotTrump In certain conditions, you can get an explosion out of a light load! This is because in a standard load the powder covers the primer so it burns and causes the rest of the powder to burn in a predictable manner. A light load, every once in a great while, the powder is sloping down (think sideview of a door stop) and the primer actually sends a sheet of flame over the top of the slope (.vs. a normal flame pattern or a sheet but in a different direction) and thus more powder than normal is ignited in less than 0.00005 of a second(!) = BOOM!!!!! (If I remember correctly it is called Detonation, since it does explode for all practical purposes...)
I'd like to see what happens when you stack loads as on the battlefield rifles, say 3 complete loads stacked on top of each other. Proper loads, correct powder, loaded just like in combat, stacked just like they forgot they already loaded it and loaded it again, curious to see what would happen.
The Savage 10ML-II was an inline muzzle loader designed to use smokeless powder. There were specific powders and charges recommended by Savage for use with a specially designed Sabot projectile. I never thought this was a good idea, even though it was apparently safe with the charge weights and powders specified, because there is always the possibility of making an error and double charging the rifle. This also opens the door for the scenario where some guy at the range sees someone loading smokeless in a Savage 10ML-II and thinks that he can load smokeless in his inline muzzleloader, which was never designed for that type of pressure. I've built three classic muzzle loading Rifles from barrel and stock blanks since 1971 and also a CVA .45 caliber kit just like the one you tested. I proof tested all of these rifles (with black powder) by tying them to a shooting bench and standing back 50 yards with a lanyard on the trigger. All of these rifles work fine for hunting with proper charges of black powder and a patched round ball. I've been hunting with black powder since 1972 and it is a safe sport if done correctly.Regards,Gungineer
Wow!!! Did you see that barrel bend up and down when it fired that second shot? Dang!! I had the experience of a h&r 12gauge blowing up in my face. Everything from in front of the trigger to the midpoint of the fore end were gone. Luckily only some of it made it into my body. Still got 2 eyes and 10 fingers. Thank the Lord. I'm glad you make these videos bud. People need to know how easy it is to get into a dangerous situation.
If you want to have a barrel banana peel, you have to block the end of the barrel and not seat a ball on the charge. This would probably allow the gasses to split the barrel from the end rather than contain the explosion down at the breech end. Great video of what not to do with a muzzle loader or any black powder gun!
I have been watching your videos for quite a while now, and really would like to commend you and thank you for such excellence in firearms knowledge, and the most exciting demonstrations on YT. Keep up the great work, DR.....
If I see a headline on CNN saying "TH-cam personality blows himself up in science experiment gone horribly wrong" I won't have to read the article to know who they're talking about.
the only time I've seen examples of banana peeling is if there's an obstruction in the end of the barrel, while the projectile is pushed down the barrel towards the muzzle by the powder's burning gases, the air pressure between it and the obstruction becomes so great, so quickly that it ruptures the barrel, often in a banana peel like fashion.
The one I've seen in person was a shotgun that got dropped muzzle first into mud and then had a 3 1/2" T shot goose load fired behind it. Peeled the barrel out about two feet. Shooter was OK.
Genius on all levels, while saving your fellow man you also show how dangerous these old guns are and how the modern sporting rifle is necessary for us not to accidentally blow our hands and heads off.. we're not perfect.
Sure, they were also telling you to not make your own baby formula even though that is the reality for most of the world. When you are told to not do something not because the dangers can't be articulated but because the dumbest members of the species couldn't follow along, that is the exact point where we started to decline as a species. 1. Black powder grain = a measurement of volume 2. Smokeless powder grain = a measurement of weight 3. Smokeless powder is 3-4 x more powerful than black powder. Of course you can safely substitute Smokeless for black powder as long as you fully understand the 3 things I listed above. It is mostly the differences in what a grain is measuring that is to blame for this disinformation.
I recently was almost killed by a similar situation. This new year's, I was at my uncle's house to shoot his mini cannon, which we do to ring in the new year. He decided to load it with smokeless powder this time. I knew nothing about loading powder, only that smokeless has way more power. This cannon he had was welded extremely well by a professional, and had been shot many times with massive loads of black powder. Now, he had the smart idea to place it in front of his tractor's loader bucket. I was standing to the side of the bucket, ready to film it, when he told me to move back to where he was. That was probably the best decision of my life, because when it fired the cannon exploded and sent a fragment flying in the path of where I was standing. It stuck itself in his garage door, and showed me just how lucky I was. Don't be stupid with smokeless powder guys
@SirBilliam Must have been a hella amount of powder. When I was in HS, I reloaded shotgun shells for shooting clays. I also made a small cannon to be a noise maker, in metal shop class. It was no more than two inch thick cold rolled steel, six inches long, 1/2" bore x 5 inches deep with a 1/8 touch hole at the end of the bore. I'd put a foot of waterproof cannon fuse in the touch hole, almost fill the bore with Red-dot or 700x, tamp in a piece of tissue paper, then pound in a small rock at the end of the barrel with a hammer. Lay it on the ground, light the fuse then run far away. When it went off it would make a HELL of a boom! It never blew up though.
@@SirBilliam96 That figures. Yeah, that much smokeless would even blow up a modern cannon made to shoot smokeless. The key here is BP is much more forgiving if overloaded. Smokeless is NOT.
These two clowns are morons. I have a friend who eats lives and breathes 19th century firearms. We blow up 6 or 7 guns EVERY SINGLE YEAR! So far, a torn shoulder, powder burns, a few metal splinters, some wood splinters, and ONE far less than lethal gut wound, from the rounds in a tube magazine chain firing.
That's the problem. Now people are going to try this. Most people assume that it will blowup so won't try it. You don't put smokeless powder in muzzleloader unless it's one rated for it. You also never carry 16 ga. shells when using a 12 ga.
Been debating on getting into black powder guns and reloading. Now I'm thinking I want to sit in with someone else first and possibly learn a bit more. Not that I'm dumb and can't learn by myself, but I'd rather not take chances. This video is eye opening. Thank you.
Ive used smokeless powder in ONE of my former Black Powder Guns. It worked better than the 'other powders'. Mine was a American Arms .22 Magnum BP revolver.It was clean, had a great pop and higher accuracy. Granted in the .22 Magnum BP there is little room to over packing it. I used a very light grained .22 cause the barrel was barely 1.5 inches and the cylinder had no room to over pack it. I would oil every round as I pressed them into the cylinders. It had a nice kick, I used the pistol smokeless powder. But in a BP Muzzleloader or larger caliber BP. I can see how using the smokeless could turn it into a hand grenade. It was NOT recommended in the manual. But my case being it was a .22MAG revolver. I shot a total of 50 rounds over the years I owned it.Pyrodex etc had issues from time to time. No issues with the gun I had years ago. When I used regular 'handgun' powder.
I appreciate your dedication to teaching new patrons of the muzzleloader shooting sports some very much needed visual information. HOWEVER, I don't throw ANYTHING away, especially a working firearm. YOU BOYS CUT ME A DAMN SWITCH, NOW!!!
Reminds of back when I was a teenager and didn't understand this or the pressures that were involved.. Learned the hard-way by taking a head full of metal, which required stitches and permanent hearing damage in my right ear. Had the piece been a couple inches lower it would have probably hit me in the neck and killed me. Moral is listen to this advice and be careful.
they are also shooting round balls though. probably 50 cal 180 grain balls. if you were shooting a 400-500 grain bullet even 80 grains of smokeless could pop the barrel as the pressure would be much higher
My cousin's neighbor had a Civil War cannon when we were kids. On one 4th of July, he decided to get "some gun powder," and fire it. Well... "some gun powder" turned out to be smokeless powder. My cousin heard a huge explosion, and then sirens. We were told that his arms and legs were mostly blown off, and that he bled to death before anything could be done to save him. The lesson I learned is that not only do you have to be careful of the powder you use, but you also have to be careful of the powder anyone within 200 feet of you uses.
Your final demo shot was Close to the load of a MK 2 Frag grenade with EC blank powder load instead of Cast or Flake TNT. All three were used for those grenades at various times. Good presentation.
The results would be pretty much the same, genius. Once the thing starts coming apart, the ability to contain pressure is GONE. But there's nothing stopping YOU from experimenting, is there?
I love that show lol. Would be cool to have those guys come down and shoot with us first. I know the one guy with the beard lives in GA. He may not be to far from us :) Thanks again for watching- Kevin
ForkliftJoe It is a serious sibject but I Love your attitude. I had to fly my helo with two of its blades patched witch duct tape. It works. Oh also the two bullet hole covered with the tape and they painted over the tape. Nice 30 cal hole in the tail cone. Cut my left hand. Fuck you HS 6.
Thank you for your service, but doesn't that directly go against safety protocol? I mean, it seems like that helicopter was in no shape to fly. Were the circumstances such that flying it was safer than staying?
My goodness 😳 that was insane I never ever thought that would happen of course I don't have a black powder gun but still I am shocked that happened and I loved how you guys were informing us about this and yes you guy should watch and listen to what these guys have to say
There is a powder called "Triple 7" (I've also seen it listed as "Triple Seven") it is a good match for black powder, but smokeless and non-corrosive. >>> Remember, most "caps" are made with Potassium Chlorate which all by itself is CORROSIVE, so double check what type of cap you're using!). You load it using the same measurement (by volume, not weight) as if it was Powderex or other substitute.
@@ditchdigger93 Compared to Black Powder or the other Black Powder Substitutes it is! Also, once again, your common "caps" are full of corrosive compounds (Potassium Chlorate which becomes Potassium Chloride (a salt) and will rust your pistol or other firearm!!!
Personally during muzzleloader season I prefer to use the pre measured pellets, 50 grains each. I know it’s not “tradition” and all of that, but it is safer and convenient. Plus Cabelas and BP Shops sells the tubes you can pre load with your choice of loads so you’re not fumbling around with powder, shot n primer, it’s all pre loaded in the tube. Excellent video of what not to do if you value your life, eyes, hands etc.
WOW, DAMN! Thanks for the test! These might seem dumb to some people but every year, people are hurt in these types of incidents. They really do happen. If their vid's (and others like it) help one person, the video was worth it.
You should try this torture test with a modern muzzleloader to see how they compare. I wonder how much more pressure, lets say a modern CVA muzzleloader can take compared to this old musket.
I've seen other blow up test they show what happens when you have bore obstructions they showed how during battle people would load round on top of round without touching it off and then touched it off this information was very important for the Hunter to understand how modern weapons and black powder are different Damascus and homogeneous Steel
Had a " friend " whos dad collected old guns. Damascus black powder 12 guage. Double bbl. Out quail hunting. He ran out of the old all metal case shells. Throws in modern magnum duck load shells. I warned him! Had to drag his unconcious idiot ass 2 miles back to the car & get him to the hospital. He lost 2 fingers, an eye & half his face. When i saw he was actually going to shoot it I dove behind a big rock. Good thing! The rock had metal scars in it afterwards. I quit hanging out with that fool.
As someone who has had a life altering experience due to being handed a rifle with smokeless powder (without my knowing it was smokeless, he swore it was good); sh*ts no joke. Unfortunately I don't have any immediately after pics, but have some gnarly pics (and scars) of what that can do.
years ago the gunshop at the World famous Bisley ranges in England had a modern revolver in its window with a warning about mixing smokeless powders to achieve a desired result the top strap of the frame and the top 3 cylinders were missing
+SpaceNavy90 Nah, when a camera lens is zoomed in (like in this case, to have the camera a safe distance from the gun) perspective is distorted and things seem closer together than they really are. Think of video as seen through a high magnification rifle scope or spotting scope for super long range target shooting. Everything looks close together, but it's actually not.
Next time you do test like this, put ballistic "bob" behind the gun! It would be "fun" to see what could of happend guy behind the gun! Awesome video, keep it up!
Science??? Firewood! You guys are crazy! I wish you guys had a started with very very few grains of smokeless and worked up. Well it really was entertaining. I can't imagine anybody would use smokeless after that demonstration. Have a great day stay safe and keep your powder dry!
Used to shoot black powder matches with a kit rifle I built. Beat out an old boy, who doubled up with Green River barrel, and showed up late for the next match. Hold on boys, i gotta et up my sights on the is new barrel. Lots of loud comments from the gang who were ion time, as you might imagine. He rushed about with a 20 yard target etc. and fired in a hurry. The ram rod ended up in the target! Broke the ram rod but not the barrel, and he shot the match with that setup and a borrowed ram rod.
A lot of people in my area are using aa5744 in their TC Strikes. I think they are loading 35 grains with a 250 grain bullet. It shatters the primers, but they are only getting around 1400 fps.
Did it fire the balls? Curious to know if they left the barrel. Should've used at least one lubed patch fellas. ;D A great demo and I bet it has happened in real life. Darwinville style.
My father had put smokeless powder in an old black powder, not knowing it, he ended up with the butt stock in one hand and the other hand was at his side with a piece of the barrel stuck in his arm. Almost hit his elbow and shattered it. He lost 5 pints of blood by the time he got to the hospital.
notice how they didnt attempt duplex loads 10 grains fffg blak and 10 grains trail boss to 15 or 20 grains of tb play at your own risk but its black to ignite the small smokeless charge
I swear as I was called farmer Jon a lot, I DIDNT DO IT, hahaha you guys are awesome, if I come down south from Canada, I'd love to stop in and shake all your guys hands, this is awesome and the videos are usually informative
Distraction caused me to underload a revolver cylinder, resulting in a squib, resulting in a barrel obstruction, resulting in a nut and a barrel split from end to end. (No frags, thank God!) This could have ended very badly because it happened at a crowded public range but only cost a barrel which is easy to replace. Be alert!
I do ,you have to be careful with that ,they call it a squib load. the powder change is significantly smaller than with rifle powder. And you must be particular about the type of powder You use. Most are unsuitable for this use and can be extremely dangerous.
@Elijah Gringus short loading rifle powder is iradic at best .to make reduced velocity rounds for rifle requires pistol/ shotgun grade powder, that Is a squib load, it requires extreme care and good judgment to do this. As gun failure can ocure. And heavy charges of fast powder can get you a trip to the pearly gates and no ticket back. If you have a different idea of what a squib load is I'm willing to hear it.
Do-able actually. An old ginnish gunwriter wrote about arcane subsonic gun loads that were silent without a suppressor. His pet load out of the three part series was 4.6 grains of red dot/bullseye plus a 93 grain lee cast bullet. If you want a really light kicking load you can swap that 93 grain for a greased up #1 buck with cotton separating the ball from the powder. Requires a barrel length of 20 inches or more to be truely effective.
Do-able actually. An old finnish gunwriter wrote about arcane subsonic gun loads that were silent without a suppressor. His pet load out of the three part series was 4.6 grains of red dot/bullseye plus a 93 grain lee cast bullet. If you want a really light kicking load you can swap that 93 grain for a greased up #1 buck with cotton separating the ball from the powder. Requires a barrel length of 20 inches or more to be truely effective.
I don't even have a muzzle loader (yet). Thank you for this video. You are doing a great service to the 2nd Amendment community. Awesome information, I love science.
There are several muzzle loaders specifically designed to be able to shoot smokeless powder. If I was looking for a muzzle loader I would look at those first.
my hunters safety instructor had put smokeless powder in a black powder pistol. he only had two fingers on his right hand, that's a lesson I never forgot.
@Jussie Crowder that's pure Hunter safety, right there. Climbing and moving through brush can be dangerous with a loaded firearm.
Stevarooni,
Safety? A mosin safety pretty much locks up the entire gun.
@@jacknedry3925 the Mosin safety is basically just taking the whole assembly of the gun , pulling it back and locking it against the side of the gun lmao
I don't know anyone that uses a Mosin Safety... I got one at 12 and hunted for years... Never used it... Nobody can use it wearing gloves anyway, and November is cold. LOL.
@Jussie Crowder jeez that’s why when hunting and crossing a fence you unload the firearm first and place it through the fence on the ground then hop over. It’s Basic hunting safety.
My dad blew up a muzzle loader when I was about 7 years old, I saw it through my front door window. He's lucky to be alive. The story I heard was that he tried to hand measure the black powder. But now that I see this, I'll bet you he tried smokeless powder.
After watching the titegroup test this is EXACTLY what happened- there were a hundred pieces of his gun everywhere. He did not get a SCRATCH. Talk about an angel watching over you!
@2be Blunt : When i was 6, my dad made the same mistake ...
He did not know ANYTHING about BP guns, and loaded his Colt Navy with smokeless ....
Whole gun exploded, he hat strong burns on his belly, because he was shooting from the hip ...
..a mistake i will never do, thank him.
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The smokeless powder effects are permanently seared in my mind. This was a heck of a valuable lesson. I've always been told to never do this but now i really see why.
You guys i can't thank y'all enough for making this video!
Remember to put a marks on your ram rod that will indicate where the proper load should be. I have marks on my ram rod, when completely pushed down my barrel, will indicate a full load for 100 grains of powder pellets with slug and the same for 150 grains. If your marks are extruding past your barrel after you've loaded, you know that something is terribly wrong.
This is quite a simple and good advice... You can just mark it with a sharpie
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carlosflar, I used a utility knife to carve a line in my pushrod
Good idea it also good work with smaller calibre well.
Red tape and green tape 😁
I know this is an old video but while going thru my box of reloading powders the other day I came across a full unopened 1lb bottel of IMR smokeless and it reminded me just HOW I came to aquire a powder I do not use when reloading. While at a range visit couple guys break out a brand new inline to sight in one the next bench over from me. At the time I was shooting a TC Hawken .45cal and as soon as I saw the guy take the powder out of his bag I was like.. WHOA!!! Not wanting to witness a catastrophic explosion that day I had a conversation with those two about what NOT to use in a muzzleloader. They "assumed" any powder would work because it was a "modern" gun that just happened to load from the muzzle. I ended up swapping then a can of 777 for the IMR and gave them a quick how to session on using their new rifle. This was a remote DNR range about 15 miles from the nearest town and it would not have been a good scenario if these two had shown up alone at the range and used that IMR in the rifle.
Thanks for watching the video and good job on showing those guys how its done!
I'm not one to believe in divine intervention, but good work. With the wealth of human knowledge at people's fingertips, it is amazing that these things still happen.
You saved those men from disfigurement or death. Nicely done.
KARL T OUT HERE SAVING LIVES!!
EDUCATION IS THE KEY TO ALL THINGS!
I so glad to live in modern times, where I can research safety tips, and even "what WOULD happen if I was a complete dullard".
Thank you gentlemen for this informational content.
In older times all you had to do was read the directions 🙄
@@artifacthunter1472 or just set it up, grab a string and hide behind a tree
@@artifacthunter1472Probably they gave you directions which were English from the start
I've forgotten powder. But last week after several years, I shot my ramrod. Mistakes happen
Several years ago, a guy brought a muzzle loader into my shop, wanting it repaired. The breech was wrecked. I asked him what powder he used, and he handed me a can of Unique powder. I tried to explain that front-stuffers are only meant to use black powder. He poured some out on my counter and said "But it IS black!".........
I didn't know whether to laugh at him, or cry for his stupidity.
But but black powder life's matter.......lol
Apex831 True, but the incident I described tells volumes about how too many are either too proud or too unthinking to ask questions which make a potential life-or-death difference.
+Kevin S agree
+Kevin S What you had there was a perfect example of Darwinism waiting to happen. Or as the famous comedian, Bill Engvall would have told him "here's yur sign"
JagdtygerII I'd bet that the person who sold that gun tried to explain which powder to use.
But, some folks let info go in one ear and straight out of the other, without any of the info stopping anywhere in between.
"Iraqveteran8888: doing all the stuff your Momma said not to since 2008."
+Airgun Depot LOL ! :)
@@bouchakhamphanh4406
If you don't mind would you explain what your comment is about? I usually just let the ones go, I don't understand. You seem to be very passionate about your comment. I wonder did I miss something? I am asking you seriously I'm not trying to be funny, Sarcastic, or start an argument. Please don't take this personally. It is in no way an attack on you or your comment. I sincerely would like to understand. If you don't want to explain it that's cool, if you do I would appreciate it. Thanks either way.
@@bouchakhamphanh4406 wtf does any of that mean? You even edited your comment, i'd hate to see what it said before you changed it. Explain please before i go insane from trying to figure out what the hell any of your comment was even about.
@@JasonMtx2
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"This is the worst case scenario."
Fires gun
"Well, that was bad but not bad enough, so let's take it up by a factor of ridiculous."
LOL!
Can anybody give me their thoughts on using black powder substitutes in antique muskets? I’ve got an 1838 with a potentially Civil War era barrel that is in pristine condition. Can’t find black powder however.
@@johnpenn8444 try looking in your local black powder shop if you have one for true black powder but for the other stuff i would if it dosent foul as much as true black powder
@@johnpenn8444 try Triple 7, it's a straight-up equivalent with black powder.
@@johnpenn8444Pyrodex is harder to touch off but much easier to find.
Iraqveteran8888 wears t-shirts that say on the back,
"I'm Iraqveteran888. If you see me running, try to keep up. I'm doing science."
"If you see a bomb technician running, run with them." -Unknown
Nic User it's actually a shirt that says "I'm the bomb tech, if you see me running, try to keep up" and it's old. Like many years, was in some movies too.
They used to double charge brand new guns, is was called a "proof" shot.
If it didn't blow up, it was "proof" the gun was safe.
Now thats a handy bit of info. thanks for sharing.
I read somewhere that some gunsmiths would quadruple charge the gun with both powder and shot
Jered Hersh Yes some manufacturers would do crazy loads to proof, I was referring to owners who would double charge for their own piece of mind.
KWatson1984 They do similar things with modern guns, but not to that extent. They load them with heavier bullets and loads and fire them, to see if it can stand up to around 1.5 to 2 times the pressure of normal rounds.
Double? Bullshit! 4X standard load. People routinely forgot they charged a weapon in battle, and double charged them all the time.
This should be shown in hunter safety schools. You'll see people double checking their powder supplies every season just to keep this from happening. Great video!
Show Hunter Safety Classes how to purposely blow up a gun, How is that useful information? Why not blow every type of gun to prove they all can bow up?
Savage proved the proper type and amount of smokeless powder can be used safely in a muzzleloader many years ago, when they built the Savage 10ML rifle. Putting a large amount of fast burning pistol powder in a centerfire barrel will also destroy the barrel. These guys set out to destroy a barrel, and that is what they accomplished...
I once attempted to make my own muzzleloader, long story short I almost killed myself. I roughly finished it and I wanted to do a test fire, so I clamped it down to a heavy table and moved it outside. I accidentally put far too much powder (FFFG) and when I fired it (from a distance - with a string) the barrel came straight off the stock and flew next to my head. It was going pretty fast, it made a hole in my wall and got stuck there.
I would have left it there, clear coated it and sealed up the wall arround it. And hung a "here's my sign" sign on it!
The lesson from that: Tang and stock is the actual backbone of a muzzle loader.
Instant murder hole 🤣
Iraqveteran8888 should try this in his next video! In the name of SCIENCE!
Sounds like you needed to do more math.
You are not going to get your desired bananna peel muzzle split by overlading the rifle with a tight load; you will just blow out the breech, as you did. The muzzle peel comes from a plugged muzzle such as the classic mud or snow acquired while hunting. A normal charge will burst a barrel so plugged due to compression of air trapped in barrel between breech/projectile and the obstruction.
This is actually a brilliant demonstration. All my life I’ve been warned and have heard about this type of disaster. Actually seeing it happen is very sobering.
I've been a black powder hunter for many years and this video answered every question I've had.
I have NEVER seen an American so Scared of a gun until that musket was loaded with smokeless
just cause we as Americans are mocked and laughed at for our uncultured society, does not mean we are idoits, who ignore a completely unsafe scenario. And people who know, support and use their 2A rights generally know what a bad scenario is with a firearm.
At that moment it is no longer a gun, its a bomb.
Cuz he made a pipe bomb lol
Go down to San Francisco and the average person you find'll be twice as scared of an unloaded .22LR kid's rifle. Bonus points for pistol grip, optic and/or black furniture.
Mister Bones fuck yea shi in Tx U ask anybody and id fuckin run from a 22 shi those little ass bullets fuckin bounce off any of your insides they'll rip ur ass apart 💯
I remember when I was a kid a neighbour lost a couple of fingers on his left had using modern shotgun cartridges in an old Damascus barrelled shotgun. The scary thing was that there were still a few old Damascus barrelled guns around and they chambered modern rounds easily. I had one given to me when I was a teenager but was always careful to reload with black powder. It was a fun gun, put out an impressive amount of smoke!
When I was a kid we got a lot of old BP .410 & 12ga "paper cased" bird shot at garage sale's' ...they were still pretty dang effective! Also I saw a whiteail killed with a pumpkin seed/ round ball slug at about 50'yard's. BP round's are pretty effective in hunting applications.
Yes. The old Damascus barrel shotgun. I have a little information to share about them. When they where new they where believed to be stronger then a homogeneous steel barrel.. but they proved to not be as durable in use.
It seems that all those tiny little weld seams would collect black powder residue, and rust internally. Compromising the strength of the metal.tho they are still butifully made guns they are not safe to use with any ammunition. This has been accepted for over 50 years now
Clean it maticulesly admire it lovingly but shoot something else. It's a wall hanger.
This video also proves that when friends get together, stupid things will be done. Love your videos. Please keep doing this.
I like how this video goes from
“What if someone accidentally loads twice as much powder?”
To
“What if we fill the *entire barrel* with black powder?”
Confrontation when a brand lives up to its claims and did deliver a quality piece, it ruins blowing up video's 🤣
Then you make a very long handhold grenade.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think the fact that the barrel didn't even banana, but instead looks like someone cut it in half with a grinder is really telling of just how much energy smokeless powder is packing compared to black powder. Scary stuff. Bravo gentlemen! You've satisfied my curiosity and earned my subscription!
Next time set up a chronograph! That would make for a great velocity comparison video. Assuming the thing doesn't blow up. You could just keep stepping up the powder until it does though.
My thoughts exactly! Would have been interesting to see the numbers. Otherwise, great video!
I cried when the scene transitioned to the new muzzle loader. Why must you do this to such a beautiful gun!? The question of, "has science gone to far?" has been answered.
There’s about 50,000 more...
These guys ended up showing that the correct amount and brand of smokeless powder will not blow up a rifle.
@@SpotterVideo not a rule to live by by any means, some may not blow like when done right here, but many will. if your going to use more potent stuff in a muzzleloader make sure it's rated for it and not overdone.
@@daltongarrett7117 Thousands of people reload shotshells and centerfire cartridges with smokeless powder and understand the concept of using reliable load data. Muzzleloaders are no different.
@@SpotterVideo like I said it's a doable thing, but inherently more dangerous than just using proper powder. If you're new to it, be careful start small, make sure your not overdoing it. Not you personally but anyone who happens to read this in that position.
That smile and nod you gave while filling up the entire barrel of black powder was exactly what I was doing lol! Awesome.
"that's perfect, stuff those balls in there, you're a brave mam" must be some professionals here. There wasn't a laugh, smirk or even a giggle haha
i tried stuffing my balls in but it hurt too much.....
JIMMY TATE HAHAHAHAHA
Lead and steel rubbing together don't make Sparks, same with copper or brass. 😉
Eliminate the unfit from the Jean pool.
"I don't feel good about this"
"You're not supposed to feel good about this"
😂😂😂😂
Same comment, 2 years
Every blackpowder video talks about things you shouldnt do. You guys showed us why. Thanks for taking the time to do that and sashe with us.
5:08, 20 minutes into blackpowder and chill and he gives you this look.
Lmao 😂
Funniest comment I've seen for ages!
Hilarious and original
+Anime Profile Pictures Suck fuck outta here, we don't need filthy Frank's cancer spread to these parts of TH-cam 😂😂😂
ButterSoup Papa Franku's wisdom is for all to know
This fall I stopped at the field & stream store in Mobile Al. and they had smokeless and reloading powder all on the same shelf labeled Black Powder. Explained the dangers of that to a manager who immediately had someone seperating it
Even though it's a black powder rifle it uses modern metallurgy, so it's using the same metal as a smokeless powder rifle. If you put 80 grains of smokeless powder in an original black powder rifle it would blow up, even 40 grains. I've done this just playing around. If you would like to try it, you can order one of the Indian made reproduction muskets as it uses similar metal technology to The originals. Like you said that doesn't mean you can use smokeless powder in a black powder rifle if it's modern. It can still blow the cap, nipple, hammer back into your face and after prolonged use will definitely detonate
@Jason Puddy Problem is you get a squib if there's not enough charge and an explosion if there's too much.
Maybe you could find the perfect amount of smokeless/pistol powder but I wouldn't want to trial-and-error that.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
@@DoubleYouDotTrump In certain conditions, you can get an explosion out of a light load! This is because in a standard load the powder covers the primer so it burns and causes the rest of the powder to burn in a predictable manner.
A light load, every once in a great while, the powder is sloping down (think sideview of a door stop) and the primer actually sends a sheet of flame over the top of the slope (.vs. a normal flame pattern or a sheet but in a different direction) and thus more powder than normal is ignited in less than 0.00005 of a second(!) = BOOM!!!!! (If I remember correctly it is called Detonation, since it does explode for all practical purposes...)
I'd like to see what happens when you stack loads as on the battlefield rifles, say 3 complete loads stacked on top of each other. Proper loads, correct powder, loaded just like in combat, stacked just like they forgot they already loaded it and loaded it again, curious to see what would happen.
that'd be a sight to see
I would not want to be close to that when it goes off.
The extra loads would act as a barrel obstruction and cause the gun to fail
When the rifles were collected at Gettsyburg after the battle, many were double, triple, up to 6 times charged...
The Savage 10ML-II was an inline muzzle loader designed to use smokeless powder. There were specific powders and charges recommended by Savage for use with a specially designed Sabot projectile. I never thought this was a good idea, even though it was apparently safe with the charge weights and powders specified, because there is always the possibility of making an error and double charging the rifle. This also opens the door for the scenario where some guy at the range sees someone loading smokeless in a Savage 10ML-II and thinks that he can load smokeless in his inline muzzleloader, which was never designed for that type of pressure. I've built three classic muzzle loading Rifles from barrel and stock blanks since 1971 and also a CVA .45 caliber kit just like the one you tested. I proof tested all of these rifles (with black powder) by tying them to a shooting bench and standing back 50 yards with a lanyard on the trigger. All of these rifles work fine for hunting with proper charges of black powder and a patched round ball. I've been hunting with black powder since 1972 and it is a safe sport if done correctly.Regards,Gungineer
Wow!!! Did you see that barrel bend up and down when it fired that second shot? Dang!! I had the experience of a h&r 12gauge blowing up in my face. Everything from in front of the trigger to the midpoint of the fore end were gone. Luckily only some of it made it into my body. Still got 2 eyes and 10 fingers. Thank the Lord. I'm glad you make these videos bud. People need to know how easy it is to get into a dangerous situation.
If you want to have a barrel banana peel, you have to block the end of the barrel and not seat a ball on the charge. This would probably allow the gasses to split the barrel from the end rather than contain the explosion down at the breech end. Great video of what not to do with a muzzle loader or any black powder gun!
I have been watching your videos for quite a while now, and really would like to commend you and thank you for such excellence in firearms knowledge, and the most exciting demonstrations on YT. Keep up the great work, DR.....
By the way, you NEVER charge your barrel directly from the powder container. You don’t want a pound of black powder going off in your hand.
You don't know what I want!
But yeah, no I don't want that... lol
It wouldn't
@@travishartman5662 you fire it, and still have a hot ember in the barrel, charging gate on the horn open...it most definitely will!!
@@travishartman5662 karma is real, donkey brain!
Dang right you don't...
If I see a headline on CNN saying "TH-cam personality blows himself up in science experiment gone horribly wrong" I won't have to read the article to know who they're talking about.
More like "New gun control measure proposed after TH-cam tragedy."
"Yes evil orange Drumpft supporters, Guns DO kill people, Here's ten reasons to repeal the 2nd"
To be fair, there are like 50 guys that fit that description
the only time I've seen examples of banana peeling is if there's an obstruction in the end of the barrel, while the projectile is pushed down the barrel towards the muzzle by the powder's burning gases, the air pressure between it and the obstruction becomes so great, so quickly that it ruptures the barrel, often in a banana peel like fashion.
The one I've seen in person was a shotgun that got dropped muzzle first into mud and then had a 3 1/2" T shot goose load fired behind it. Peeled the barrel out about two feet. Shooter was OK.
Hughes Enterprises exactly, thanks for the example.
Demolition Ranch has a video about that. They stuck the end of a shotgun in water and remotely fired it, and it banana peeled real good.
Genius on all levels, while saving your fellow man you also show how dangerous these old guns are and how the modern sporting rifle is necessary for us not to accidentally blow our hands and heads off..
we're not perfect.
I remember having this drilled into to me as a young lady taking my hunters safety course.
Sure, they were also telling you to not make your own baby formula even though that is the reality for most of the world.
When you are told to not do something not because the dangers can't be articulated but because the dumbest members of the species couldn't follow along, that is the exact point where we started to decline as a species.
1. Black powder grain = a measurement of volume
2. Smokeless powder grain = a measurement of weight
3. Smokeless powder is 3-4 x more powerful than black powder.
Of course you can safely substitute Smokeless for black powder as long as you fully understand the 3 things I listed above. It is mostly the differences in what a grain is measuring that is to blame for this disinformation.
@@whatsmolly5741 wtf? lol you good buddy? It was hunter's safety course full of kids not "improvised reloading 101". Seek help.
Don't forget, many areas have a Black Powder only season and Black powder may be included as part of Hunter Safety.
@@takeawaykitty. Reloading???.....😅
@@will7its as someone who does hand loads I can't think of a more appropriate term
that moment when you get distracted and fill your entire barrel with gunpowder
I recently was almost killed by a similar situation. This new year's, I was at my uncle's house to shoot his mini cannon, which we do to ring in the new year. He decided to load it with smokeless powder this time. I knew nothing about loading powder, only that smokeless has way more power. This cannon he had was welded extremely well by a professional, and had been shot many times with massive loads of black powder. Now, he had the smart idea to place it in front of his tractor's loader bucket. I was standing to the side of the bucket, ready to film it, when he told me to move back to where he was. That was probably the best decision of my life, because when it fired the cannon exploded and sent a fragment flying in the path of where I was standing. It stuck itself in his garage door, and showed me just how lucky I was. Don't be stupid with smokeless powder guys
@SirBilliam Must have been a hella amount of powder. When I was in HS, I reloaded shotgun shells for shooting clays. I also made a small cannon to be a noise maker, in metal shop class. It was no more than two inch thick cold rolled steel, six inches long, 1/2" bore x 5 inches deep with a 1/8 touch hole at the end of the bore. I'd put a foot of waterproof cannon fuse in the touch hole, almost fill the bore with Red-dot or 700x, tamp in a piece of tissue paper, then pound in a small rock at the end of the barrel with a hammer. Lay it on the ground, light the fuse then run far away. When it went off it would make a HELL of a boom! It never blew up though.
@@dkeith45 it was the exact same amount he used for black powder, just with smokeless instead. It's more powerful by a few magnitudes
@@SirBilliam96 That figures. Yeah, that much smokeless would even blow up a modern cannon made to shoot smokeless. The key here is BP is much more forgiving if overloaded. Smokeless is NOT.
I ordered a man can like a year ago and never received it! I emailed ya but never heard back!!! love the videos though keep them coming
+Tyler Davies please email brandy questions.iv8888@gmail.com
+Iraqveteran8888 They just found parts of that rifle in Arizona ! !
+Richard Maunder yep. piece of it landed in my backyard. greetings from Peoria AZ
+Nathan Asphyxia Greetings from Mesa AZ
+Richard Maunder Greetings from Finland.... pieces landed here too :D
I actually have more confidence in muzzleloaders, it held up way better then I thought it would
It's a modern muzzle loader. Try that with a $40,000 antique!
These two clowns are morons. I have a friend who eats lives and breathes 19th century firearms. We blow up 6 or 7 guns EVERY SINGLE YEAR! So far, a torn shoulder, powder burns, a few metal splinters, some wood splinters, and ONE far less than lethal gut wound, from the rounds in a tube magazine chain firing.
Seth B
Your a joke
Sounds like you're the moron, I'd think you would figure out what you were doing wrong after blowing up your second or third antique rifle.
That's the problem. Now people are going to try this. Most people assume that it will blowup so won't try it. You don't put smokeless powder in muzzleloader unless it's one rated for it. You also never carry 16 ga. shells when using a 12 ga.
Been debating on getting into black powder guns and reloading. Now I'm thinking I want to sit in with someone else first and possibly learn a bit more. Not that I'm dumb and can't learn by myself, but I'd rather not take chances. This video is eye opening. Thank you.
Best thing you can do to avoid issues is to store your black powder and smokeless as far away from each other as you can.
When it comes to potentially explosive weapons, more expertise is always better.
As with anything, do your research and take your time to eliminate mistakes.
Are you not entertained!!? lol
+The VSO Gun Channel Nice movie quote
Ive used smokeless powder in ONE of my former Black Powder Guns. It worked better than the 'other powders'. Mine was a American Arms .22 Magnum BP revolver.It was clean, had a great pop and higher accuracy. Granted in the .22 Magnum BP there is little room to over packing it. I used a very light grained .22 cause the barrel was barely 1.5 inches and the cylinder had no room to over pack it. I would oil every round as I pressed them into the cylinders. It had a nice kick, I used the pistol smokeless powder. But in a BP Muzzleloader or larger caliber BP. I can see how using the smokeless could turn it into a hand grenade. It was NOT recommended in the manual. But my case being it was a .22MAG revolver. I shot a total of 50 rounds over the years I owned it.Pyrodex etc had issues from time to time. No issues with the gun I had years ago. When I used regular 'handgun' powder.
I appreciate your dedication to teaching new patrons of the muzzleloader shooting sports some very much needed visual information. HOWEVER, I don't throw ANYTHING away, especially a working firearm.
YOU BOYS CUT ME A DAMN SWITCH, NOW!!!
Reminds of back when I was a teenager and didn't understand this or the pressures that were involved.. Learned the hard-way by taking a head full of metal, which required stitches and permanent hearing damage in my right ear. Had the piece been a couple inches lower it would have probably hit me in the neck and killed me. Moral is listen to this advice and be careful.
That much smokeless would destroy a modern rifle. Cool stuff though.
they are also shooting round balls though. probably 50 cal 180 grain balls. if you were shooting a 400-500 grain bullet even 80 grains of smokeless could pop the barrel as the pressure would be much higher
Ethan Dobbins get to maken them knives
yea but there trying to see what would happen if he you used the wrong powder
so you would be using that amount of powder
You wouldn't triple load it. With powder and shot. What I learned from this video is that smokeless is far less catastrophic as I thought it was.
My cousin's neighbor had a Civil War cannon when we were kids. On one 4th of July, he decided to get "some gun powder," and fire it. Well... "some gun powder" turned out to be smokeless powder. My cousin heard a huge explosion, and then sirens. We were told that his arms and legs were mostly blown off, and that he bled to death before anything could be done to save him. The lesson I learned is that not only do you have to be careful of the powder you use, but you also have to be careful of the powder anyone within 200 feet of you uses.
Moral of the story? If your friend tells you hold my beer while he's holding a muzzle loader just run. Head for the mountains. Gtfo!
We'll save this butt plate for a man can or something.
*Throws it away*
Your final demo shot was Close to the load of a MK 2 Frag grenade with EC blank powder load instead of Cast or Flake TNT. All three were used for those grenades at various times. Good presentation.
I found this video terrifying in its finale. That gun turned into a grenade.
should fill the whole thing up with smokeless powder
yes
IkusaTakuma yaaaaasss they should do It
David woah we have the same profile pic
He did fill it up
The results would be pretty much the same, genius. Once the thing starts coming apart, the ability to contain pressure is GONE. But there's nothing stopping YOU from experimenting, is there?
That gun withstood a huge proof load of ff black powder. Dangerous treatment at the reloading too.
Roadkill Approved!
(no amount of duck tape and zip ties will fix this)
I love that show lol. Would be cool to have those guys come down and shoot with us first. I know the one guy with the beard lives in GA. He may not be to far from us :) Thanks again for watching- Kevin
That show is da stuff
ForkliftJoe It is a serious sibject but I Love your attitude. I had to fly my helo with two of its blades patched witch duct tape. It works. Oh also the two bullet hole covered with the tape and they painted over the tape. Nice 30 cal hole in the tail cone. Cut my left hand. Fuck you HS 6.
Thank you for your service, but doesn't that directly go against safety protocol? I mean, it seems like that helicopter was in no shape to fly. Were the circumstances such that flying it was safer than staying?
Awesome video, can you guys show what happens if you leave air pockets when loading black powder too?
I have seen this video many times. Every time it amazes me and it is so educational.
My goodness 😳 that was insane I never ever thought that would happen of course I don't have a black powder gun but still I am shocked that happened and I loved how you guys were informing us about this and yes you guy should watch and listen to what these guys have to say
There is a powder called "Triple 7" (I've also seen it listed as "Triple Seven") it is a good match for black powder, but smokeless and non-corrosive. >>> Remember, most "caps" are made with Potassium Chlorate which all by itself is CORROSIVE, so double check what type of cap you're using!).
You load it using the same measurement (by volume, not weight) as if it was Powderex or other substitute.
Tripple 7 is not non-corrosive
@@ditchdigger93 Compared to Black Powder or the other Black Powder Substitutes it is! Also, once again, your common "caps" are full of corrosive compounds (Potassium Chlorate which becomes Potassium Chloride (a salt) and will rust your pistol or other firearm!!!
Respectfully, you know nothing of Hodgen’s Triple Seven other than the name.
Personally during muzzleloader season I prefer to use the pre measured pellets, 50 grains each. I know it’s not “tradition” and all of that, but it is safer and convenient. Plus Cabelas and BP Shops sells the tubes you can pre load with your choice of loads so you’re not fumbling around with powder, shot n primer, it’s all pre loaded in the tube.
Excellent video of what not to do if you value your life, eyes, hands etc.
You should hang those gun's up in the shop just to let people see up close what can happen. Awesome video guy's.
we did.
WOW, DAMN!
Thanks for the test! These might seem dumb to some people but every year, people are hurt in these types of incidents. They really do happen. If their vid's (and others like it) help one person, the video was worth it.
You should try this torture test with a modern muzzleloader to see how they compare. I wonder how much more pressure, lets say a modern CVA muzzleloader can take compared to this old musket.
Damn, farmer Joe needs to get his shit together, and his limbs too.
I don't think he has any shit or limbs left after this though
Done fertilized the back forty!
I've seen other blow up test they show what happens when you have bore obstructions they showed how during battle people would load round on top of round without touching it off and then touched it off this information was very important for the Hunter to understand how modern weapons and black powder are different Damascus and homogeneous Steel
Had a " friend " whos dad collected old guns. Damascus black powder 12 guage. Double bbl. Out quail hunting. He ran out of the old all metal case shells. Throws in modern magnum duck load shells. I warned him! Had to drag his unconcious idiot ass 2 miles back to the car & get him to the hospital. He lost 2 fingers, an eye & half his face. When i saw he was actually going to shoot it I dove behind a big rock. Good thing! The rock had metal scars in it afterwards. I quit hanging out with that fool.
Always know the specifications of your equipment. Great demo, guys.
Kevin is cool! I wonder why they don't have him on videos much anymore?
WhiteDynamite he is and look like “bull” from “band of brothers”
Might of got blown up...
yeah kevin is hilarious haha i love his calm attitude the whole time
He died. RIP Kevin 1977-2020.
@@cattledog901 From what?
As someone who has had a life altering experience due to being handed a rifle with smokeless powder (without my knowing it was smokeless, he swore it was good); sh*ts no joke. Unfortunately I don't have any immediately after pics, but have some gnarly pics (and scars) of what that can do.
years ago the gunshop at the World famous Bisley ranges in England had a modern revolver in its window with a warning about mixing smokeless powders to achieve a desired result the top strap of the frame and the top 3 cylinders were missing
is that a road behind them
+Kyle Magee its further away than it looks
+Iraqveteran8888 I betcha you were further away from the gun than the road was... Pretty unsafe imo.
Way too close to that road for what you are doing for someone who preaches safety as you do.
+SpaceNavy90 Nah, when a camera lens is zoomed in (like in this case, to have the camera a safe distance from the gun) perspective is distorted and things seem closer together than they really are. Think of video as seen through a high magnification rifle scope or spotting scope for super long range target shooting. Everything looks close together, but it's actually not.
+Iraqveteran8888 only way to prove it to these nazis is to do a woods walk to the road video...
Next time you do test like this, put ballistic "bob" behind the gun! It would be "fun" to see what could of happend guy behind the gun! Awesome video, keep it up!
Holy shit guys!!! 4 years later this is still a hell of a video. Thank you so much.
Thats a damn good wooden brace you built =P
+Swifty Fents IKR
Please do more videos with kevin!
Science??? Firewood! You guys are crazy! I wish you guys had a started with very very few grains of smokeless and worked up. Well it really was entertaining. I can't imagine anybody would use smokeless after that demonstration. Have a great day stay safe and keep your powder dry!
"His wife's bugging him." Yep I can relate to that! haha
Lemme get that powder, S M O K E L E S S.
Just how tf powder can b smokeless?
@@ethancoghlan5455 XD
Used to shoot black powder matches with a kit rifle I built. Beat out an old boy, who doubled up with Green River barrel, and showed up late for the next match. Hold on boys, i gotta et up my sights on the is new barrel. Lots of loud comments from the gang who were ion time, as you might imagine. He rushed about with a 20 yard target etc. and fired in a hurry. The ram rod ended up in the target! Broke the ram rod but not the barrel, and he shot the match with that setup and a borrowed ram rod.
That much fun must be illegal somewhere!
This kind of fun is gonna hurt your wallet
New jersey?
California, Massachusetts, New York
yeah New York......
Bumbling Bushcraft the rest of the world
This is Kevin from the History's Deadliest Bullet video? He's lost a lot of weight!
+Joseph Duenas That's me
+Kevin Gibson keep up the good work. i enjoy your contributions to the channel
Thanks a lot!
A lot of people in my area are using aa5744 in their TC Strikes. I think they are loading 35 grains with a 250 grain bullet. It shatters the primers, but they are only getting around 1400 fps.
Did it fire the balls? Curious to know if they left the barrel.
Should've used at least one lubed patch fellas. ;D A great demo and I bet it has happened in real life. Darwinville style.
We're back a "pretty safe" distance LOL hahaha awesome
I knew a shooter that forgot to put the powder in. It was a real pain getting the wadding and ball out.
Thanks this was a great experiment.
lol that was an odd matrix reference
My father had put smokeless powder in an old black powder, not knowing it, he ended up with the butt stock in one hand and the other hand was at his side with a piece of the barrel stuck in his arm. Almost hit his elbow and shattered it. He lost 5 pints of blood by the time he got to the hospital.
Thanks for making this video. It’s important to see just how dangerous these safety errors can be. Really scary.
I know a guy that only uses smokeless powder, seems like he used 20grains in his 50 cal and I have to say it shot a very good group.
notice how they didnt attempt duplex loads 10 grains fffg blak and 10 grains trail boss to 15 or 20 grains of tb play at your own risk but its black to ignite the small smokeless charge
for science!!! be safe people, check your stuff and load when you are fully awake/aware
Agreed
I swear as I was called farmer Jon a lot, I DIDNT DO IT, hahaha you guys are awesome, if I come down south from Canada, I'd love to stop in and shake all your guys hands, this is awesome and the videos are usually informative
Distraction caused me to underload a revolver cylinder, resulting in a squib, resulting in a barrel obstruction, resulting in a nut and a barrel split from end to end. (No frags, thank God!) This could have ended very badly because it happened at a crowded public range but only cost a barrel which is easy to replace. Be alert!
Now load pistol powder in a .308 or a 30-06
Brandon Edwards 50cal
I do ,you have to be careful with that ,they call it a squib load. the powder change is significantly smaller than with rifle powder. And you must be particular about the type of powder You use. Most are unsuitable for this use and can be extremely dangerous.
@Elijah Gringus short loading rifle powder is iradic at best .to make reduced velocity rounds for rifle requires pistol/ shotgun grade powder, that
Is a squib load, it requires extreme care and good judgment to do this. As gun failure can ocure. And heavy charges of fast powder can get you a trip to the pearly gates and no ticket back.
If you have a different idea of what a squib load is I'm willing to hear it.
Do-able actually. An old ginnish gunwriter wrote about arcane subsonic gun loads that were silent without a suppressor. His pet load out of the three part series was 4.6 grains of red dot/bullseye plus a 93 grain lee cast bullet. If you want a really light kicking load you can swap that 93 grain for a greased up #1 buck with cotton separating the ball from the powder. Requires a barrel length of 20 inches or more to be truely effective.
Do-able actually. An old finnish gunwriter wrote about arcane subsonic gun loads that were silent without a suppressor. His pet load out of the three part series was 4.6 grains of red dot/bullseye plus a 93 grain lee cast bullet. If you want a really light kicking load you can swap that 93 grain for a greased up #1 buck with cotton separating the ball from the powder. Requires a barrel length of 20 inches or more to be truely effective.
The problem is in using same amount of smokeless as you would be using black powder, while in fact you need to use much less.
I don't even have a muzzle loader (yet). Thank you for this video. You are doing a great service to the 2nd Amendment community. Awesome information, I love science.
Looked like a glock 22 shooting tite group on that last shot.. ha ha
I've got an 1861 musket that I saved from the garbage and restored and it fires pretty good! It makes shot groups at 50 yards.
There are several muzzle loaders specifically designed to be able to shoot smokeless powder. If I was looking for a muzzle loader I would look at those first.