Honestly in most ways the 64 had better graphics. The same way the 64 couldn't do things the PS could because of the format. The PS couldn't do allot of the things the 64 could in terms of its graphical capability. Never see a game as vastly beautiful as OoT,Majoras mask, 1080, waverace, excitebike....I could keep going.
Why did the Tony Hawk franchise die? Activision killed it by disrespecting the developers. The games released on a yearly schedule, but as console hardware got more advanced and the developers got more skilled, the games got more complex. This really culminated in Tony Hawk's Underground 2, which seemed to do everything a skateboarding game could ever want to do. Up until that point, every game in the franchise had implemented a new control feature that made skating in the game more creative. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 added manuals and made air to ground combos possible. 3 added the revert, which made comboing from vert tricks to street tricks possible. After THUG 2, the sixth game in the series, there wasn't anything more to add. It was possible to chain together infinite combos, change tricks in the middle of a balance trick, jump into and push off of walls, and even create and edit new tricks of your own. With nowhere to go and continuing pressure to maintain the franchise's status as a yearly cash cow, Neversoft was forced to make some questionable decisions. The seventh game in the series, Tony Hawk's American Wasteland, had some ideas that were great, some ideas that were obvious filler, and no ideas that were fully developed. Great idea: open world. THAW still had individual levels (this time themed after neighborhoods of Los Angeles), but each one was part of a single map. This made it possible to skate a single combo across every cool feature of every level in the game. That sounds like great fun, but the levels all had to be connected by long, boring hallways to mask their loading times. So instead of making the game more streamlined, it just made it more boring. Now here's a stupid idea: put stuff that isn't skateboarding in a skateboarding game. THAW saw the franchise's first and last implementations of BMX and parkour, which were distinct in their controls and could have been implemented into engaging individual challenges. Instead, BMX offered an insufficiently different alternative to skateboarding, and parkour was implemented in the tutorial for parkour, and that's it. Neither of these additions added anything of value to the gameplay, one was just an alternative to skateboarding (and why provide players with an alternative to the reason they bought the game?), and the other was a minor distraction in the form of a mid-game tutorial. Needless to say, the Tony Hawk games had lost their way a bit. So the eighth game in the series went back to just skateboarding, and didn't really innovate at all. There was a gimmicky new trick mode that wasn't necessary, and that gimmick was expanded upon in the ninth game. By that time, the Skate series was doing skateboarding games better than the Tony Hawk series was, by having a more fluid control scheme that resulted in more realistic action. The Tony Hawk series was losing sales with every successive entry, and instead of giving Neversoft a two year development cycle to make a better game and build anticipation, Activision shut the studio down. They gave the series to a new team who made cheap games with a stupid motion control peripheral that didn't work for the tenth and eleventh games, and when (obviously) nobody bought those games, they declared that "People simply don't want to play skateboarding games anymore!" and stopped making them. Until late 2014 that is, when Activision realized their rights to Tony Hawk's name were about to lapse. They rushed that same studio that made the terrible motion controlled games to pinch off a brand new experience, in the tradition of the first 4 games in the series (using an actual controller), in under a year. They failed. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5, as it was officially called, never made it out of beta before their deadline hit. This game had to be on store shelves less than a year after it was conceived, so the developer simply put the game's demo on the disc copies, and put the entire actual game into a day one patch. Of course, the entire actual game was still unfinished when they were forced to release it, so when it finally did come out (one day before Activision's rights to the Tony Hawk name expired) it was still a broken mess. So nobody played it, nobody cared, and nothing changed. It was like the game never even came out at all. And that's why the Tony Hawk franchise seemed to die off suddenly. People stopped paying attention because the games stopped being interesting. When that happened, nobody noticed that the series didn't disappear all of a sudden, but rather it died a long, drawn out death.
Activision didn't do anything that would have destroyed it Skating just sort of faded away as the majority of people that skated moved on. Today rock music and alternative are dead compared to 10 -15 years ago as people listen to rap/hipop or pop music there is no people to sell skating games to (or any other extreme sport games)
+tHeWasTeDYouTh I don't agree personally. I think it really WAS Activision pushing for a yearly release and Neversoft getting fed up with having to make the games all the time with a short development cycle. I think there ARE, in fact, plenty of fans out there who want to play extreme sports games. That's how something like Steep manages to get backing, and how SSX (2012) managed to sell decent numbers. The thing that seems to get lost--in my opinion--with the THPS games is that they're not really just about skateboarding. (I actually don't skateboard at all, yet I'm a huge fan of the series.) In a traditional sports game, what's the purpose? Well to play the sport and win the games. Even extreme sports games prior to THPS were just about doing tricks in runs for the sake of doing tricks in runs, or perhaps--in the case of game series like Xtreme--just about winning a basic competition. But THPS is a game that's more about completing objectives, and because of that it appeals to gamers like me who enjoy open-ended 3D platformers. Furthermore, it has stat improvement mechanics that can appeal to RPG gamers, albeit without much in the way of decent storytelling. Yes, there are occasional levels where the goal is to win a competition like in a typical sports game, but most of the time it's just "skate around open areas collecting stuff and completing objectives, then upgrade your avatar of choice." So I don't think the market for the games is gone, per se; it's just that A) they got sick of the yearly releases, and B ) Activision won't give any developers the proper time and money to create an experience worthy of the older games, which would draw that crowd back in.
+thecianinator That's an excellent analysis and some interesting info about THPS5 that I didn't know about. However, there are a couple nuances that I feel the need to point out. 1) THAW was not the first time that Neversoft implemented mechanics that weren't skateboarding. That actually started with THPS4 in the form of that silly tennis minigame. It showed--in my eyes at least--that even though the games are primarily about skateboarding, they didn't NEED to be about skateboarding to be fun. As I said in the previous comment, for me the THPS games feel more like open-ended platformers that happen to include skateboarding as the fundamental means of moving around, along with an upgrade system for RPG fans. I know that isn't really a legitimate comparison for most people, but trying to imagine a THPS game without collecting SKATE letters or enhancing your avatar is hard for me. Take those away, and you've just got a generic sports game about playing sports for the sake of playing sports. Also consider that THUG had entire segments devoted to not being on your skateboard at all, sometimes even playing LIKE a platformer. So while THAW may have been the first time that a skateboarding game seemed to be forgetting that it was supposed to BE about skateboarding, it wasn't the first time they delved into things that weren't skateboarding at all. 2) Neversoft wasn't shut down after Proving Ground. Instead they went off to work on Guitar Hero...which naturally died off after Activision continued to push the "one-a-year" model. THAT'S when Neversoft was shut down. I'm sorry to hear that Activision wasn't willing to give the studio proper time to put a new game together, cause I was really looking forward to THPS5. Then I heard it was re-using older levels and was buggy as hell, so I lost interest very quickly.
I think it died suddenly because they milked the shit out of it in such a short time and also the fact that the first entry of the game is SO good. They really only added little things to each game, so they got boring progressively faster in my opinion even though I did like the later installments like Underground and American Wasteland. I also think people got tired of the over the top shit, which is why Skate became a popular successor.
Dreamcast Version absolutely CRUSHES 64 version. and Made the PS1 ver downright unplayable. Higher poly count and less screen tearing than even the PC ver. Looks amazing through VGA mode
As an American, I would've loved to have seen places from European countries like the UK, Germany/Deustchland, France, Spain, Italy, etc make appearances in the Tony Hawk Games of that era! Believe it or not, this version used up about 11.51 megs of data; which is the equivalent of a 12 megabyte(96 megabit) cartridge!
My sister and I used to play this together religiously, it's definitely one of those titles that's got some serious sentimental value for me. Too bad the PC remaster is only on the Epic Games Store.
Hey, hey! You finally went 4:3 for your game captures. That's awesome and long overdue, thanks a bunch. :) Not sure how I feel about the retro-TV screen overlay, but at least the game's in its proper aspect ratio.
This game had such a huge impact on my life. Tech decks came out around the same time, and I was on my way to becoming a full blown skater. I still skate to this day and I have this game to thank for changing my life.
I think the reason the Tony Hawk series started to fade away was 2 things. The first was Neversoft's interests in the series were obviously starting to wane. American Wasteland was a neat idea, with one huge map with no loading screens, but the character customization was a lot more limited than in previous games (you couldn't even make a female skater in story mode). Then it got worse with the jump to the next generation. Project 8 had even more limited customization, some really uninteresting gimmicks, and really poor performance. The second thing would be that in the midst of the series' decline in quality, a brand new skateboarding series, Skate, popped up. Now, me personally, I'll always prefer the likes of THPS1-THAW over Skate, but one can't deny the series resonated with a lot of people, with its more realistic take on skating, and the simple fact that the developers still gave a shit. That's just what I think, anyway.
Excellent informative review, I didn't even know Tony Hawks even made it onto the n64 if it wasn't for your review and I think it's nuts that Tony Hawks 3 made it onto it aswell altho I haven't actually played any of the n64 versions. I do feel the reason why the series suddenly stopped is because the game was milked to death in such a short space of time, I did however recently download the hd remix on Xbox live sand that game is superb and it contains the best bits from all the games
This is one of the rare occasions that I have both the N64 version and the PSOne version of a game. Both versions are great gameplay wise, but the PSOne version gets the edge over the N64 version with the soundtrack and other visual things (like on the school level, they show the music video of the song you're listening to, which is completely absent from the N64 version)... I've played most of the Tony Hawk games and I became a Tony Hawk god around THPS4.
Without this game, I don't know what kind of music I would've listened to growing up. The soundtrack shaped the way I would enjoy music throughout my my life.
Always loved the franchise! My first experience was also on the Playstation 1. The N64 games are definitely enjoyable, too. My favorite is still The 4th entry, which I picked up for the Xbox back in the day.
I never had the PS version because I only had the N64 at that time. in such, I didn't know what I was missing. That being said, I put hundreds of hours into playing this game. After completing all the challenges and collectibles I would always erase my progress and earn them again. The game is infamous for never becoming boring. As for the games I suck at but enjoy playing is the Tekken series. I love the games, but I'm horrible at fighting games.
I once watched a trailer of an indie game where the developer played so bad that I hat the urge to buy his game to play it how it's meant to be played. After watching the first few seconds of your review I had the urge to punch my monitor but then I decided to grab my THPS2 CD for computer and I hope for the love of god that the damn game runs on my Windows machine!
i love the new video format with the borders! looks very snazzy (: also i actually prefer the n64 version's graphics, personally. even if the port clearly wasn't optimized to take advantage of the n64's more powerful hardware, i'll still take the n64 version's graphics over the playstation's endlessly jittery, pixelated textures and jaggies any day, FMV or not. too bad activision didn't get a hold of factor 5 or we probably could have had the full soundtrack on the n64 as well, but whatever, i just bought the albums the music in the game was from and listened to those (; oh yeah - the reason you're not so great at the n64 version is cause you're using the analog stick! the tony hawk series was totally designed to be played with the d-pad and it works much better if you play it with that instead of the stick. (:
A game that I'm terrible at but can't stop playing? Pac-Man . . . seriously. I'm not very good at most single screen arcade games, but there's something about Pac-Man that I can pick up and play at pretty much any moment and have a great time. I'm completely awful at it, but man I love it.
killer review buddy eh im a new subscriber and a huge n64 fan, i have many nintendo tats lol, can you do a review of tonic trouble? thanks man ur review of shadow man and forsaken would b great
I've played through THPS 3 on PC a year ago while listening to the THPS 2 soundtrack and it was still as much fun as it was back then. I really hope Tony Hawk can get some good dev to work on his teased next project, now that he's not bound to the Activision shit anymore.
Glenn as always your review is the best. You are the king of N64. I think the franchise died as they simply ran out of new ideas. People fell in love with the characters and feel for the first 3 games that after that too many changes hurt the game. Had the new ones put in an unlock retro character mode it would gain fans again. What is the best N64 game to have been made after the PS version? My opinion its Tony Hawk pro skaterThanx Glenn
I know a couple of the songs. here's a list: Euro-Barge by the Vandals Jerry Was a Race Car Driver by Primus New Girl by Suicide Machines Cyco Vision by Suicidal Tendencies Superman by Goldfinger Even Rude by Vilified
I owned all three versions of THPS and I just couldn't get on with the N64. loved the game on The dream cast and then really felt at home with the PS1 version. My all time favourite game franchise.
I suck at the Bayonetta games, but they're just such a huge blast to play, I keep coming back. I got my Wii U for Bayonetta 2, and don't regret it a bit.
I only played the PS1 version of this game. It was my neighbors' game and he was pretty selfish. The thing I didn't like about this game was that there wasn't a 2 player "free skate" mode. That wasn't available until Tony Hawk 2 came out. I bought the Dreamcast version of that game and thoroughly enjoyed it. Great sound and graphics. I think it was a good thing for me to pass this one and get the best version of Tony Hawk 2.
Just bought the Nintendo 64 Anthology book and could only read your foreword in your voice. It's as distinctive as reading something written by Christopher Walken or something. I hope you're happy.
To answer your question, 'cause I totally forgot to in my first comment. The reason it died was an over saturation and gimmicks. There was a Tony Hawk game almost yearly for some long time, much like rock band and guitar hero, it was just to much, then once motion controls became a thing, they made a game that you used a real board to play on, which... worked as good as you can expect. By that time Stake games came in, and had better sense of detail, the church you liked about Tony Hawk's Pro Skater one was amplified and even had a game mode around hurting your staker as much as you could. And Tony Hawk's name drifted out of main stream. Any number of those alone wouldn't off doomed the games... But put all together, and you have a problem.
Na people just don't remember how awful mechanically thps 1 and 2 were. The HD remake isn't as bad as people say, I had zero issue with it. Actually go back and play them and see how janky they are compared to how your nostalgia remembers.
Kitelime tbh I do agree, the originals are stiff to control nowadays compared to thps3 but I had problems with HD, crashes and the controls seem sloppy to me *I have the ps3 version* thps5 I feel isn't as bad as people say, I think people were on the bandwagon of oh it's so glitchy when after updates it runs fine even if some of the challenges were bad, but the controls on it were far better for me then HD, just fact that the fact it sold for full rrp was sickening to say the least but that's Activision's fault, I don't blame robomodo, have you ever played thps2x? it's basically an original version of HD, it was an Xbox exclusive and only released in America which is a pain because I live in the UK and has to import it, of you haven't heard of it it's worth looking it up.
I feel on the THPS5 thing, but I still think the controls were horrid in that game to the point where it was unplayable for me. Having the slam and grind on the same button was mind mindbogglingly stupid.. And yeah the PC version of HD i have had 0 problems with crash wise.
Kitelime the slam button was pointless by they did replace it with a double tap, personally I didn't think the remake was that great and not that I loved thps5, the classics like thps3 is really all I remember.
Aside from what's already been stated as to the developers screwing over the series, I think that the Skate series was ultimately the nail in the coffin for the Tony Hawk series. I remember when Skate came out and literally everyone I knew (mostly fellow skaters) dropped the TH series like a rock and swarmed to the Skate series for its more realistic and fluid control scheme. Also wanted to take a second to tell Glenn that he's the shit, thanks for being rad.
I loved the THPS games, they're some of the most fun I had. I had trouble getting into it at first but once I got the hang of it, I was having a blast. I played them all on the Playstation and Dreamcast then the XBox and so on. I never played any of them on the N64 though, in fact I don't think I played any of them on a Nintendo console. I know a port of THPS 3 was released as the last official N64 game. I played them all up until Tony Hawk's Proving Ground. I also played THPS 5... My favorite in the series though has to be Tony Hawk's Underground 2. I think the series started to lose it's steam after Activision, as per usual, started to whore out the series, like they did with Guitar Hero and now Call of Duty, releasing a new one annually. I never touched Tony Hawk Ride and Shred, which used that stupid board controller. THPS 5 was a last ditch effort, but ended the series with a whimper, sadly...
Nice video Glenn! i have sooo much memories with this games, waoo yes, you are right! The soundtrack of this one tattoes in your brain! My durability with this game was a year and a hals, something like that, it gets bore after.. oh yes, ther game contrilling was very simple, you are right too on that, and YES! the frame rate, i prefer that than sharper images, greetings from Ecuador! :)
I know I'm a bit late for commenting, but in the video, you asked which game we are terrible at, yet can't stop playing. I am terrible at everything, and I keep playing everything anyway. My girlfriend likes to watch me play the new super Mario bros games because she thinks I'm great at them, but I'm really not, I just find them quite simple compared to the older Mario games. Since I'm pretty awful at everything, I usually stick to turn based RPGs, because I find the skill requirement is pretty low. But even then, I look up some information online about the RPG I'm playing, and apparently, I'm still doing it wrong. I guess I'm supposed to do every mundane side quest, earn mundane items, that I can use hours later to obtain the best armour or weapons in the game to do a million damage points. Or I'm supposed to equip specific items simultaneously in order to exploit the game system in order to steamroll every enemy in the game... I love video games, I just wish I could spend the time on getting better at them.
Yeah, when I picked up the 64 version of the game, I was pretty disappointed. I also grew up on the Playstation, and I kind of felt let down by this version. It was also kind of awkward to play at first, being so used to the Playstation control set up. To answer your question, I guess I'd say fighting games in general. I can't pull off any special moves or combos in Street Fighter, but I'll pop it in every now and then just for the fun of it.
I just rebought the PS1 VERSIONS of these games. I loved them as a kid. Personally I'll take the crisp sound over better visuals.. But it is an interesting case where they fit a PS1 game into a N64 cartridge
I only had the n64 version of tony hawk pro skater 1 2 and 3. I thought they were all fucking great even 3 which was pushing the n64 limits at that point still felt new and fresh even though it was mainly made for the ps2 and gamecube
After playing the PS1 version first, the n64 version's extremely cut down and looped songs bothered me too much. I'd just turn the music off and play something of my own in the background. boom. problem solved.
I only ever played the second one (It's the best one) but don't you think that they should've brought all the coloured carts over to the PAL regions? All we got was Turok 2 and Majora's mask
I never played this version. I had the PlayStation version. I think the series died simply because there isn't much more you can really do with it. And people simply got tired of it. Some things just don't withstand the test of time for everyone. But it may come back someday for a new generation and us oldies that played this when it was new.
great review dude i loved this game so much i got it for every console the dreamcast version was the best, i think the reason why these games died is because game companies kill them out with a new version every year activision are known for doing that with there franchises they turn them into cash grabs
I’m terrible at Street Fighter; I always have to play on the lowest difficulty setting and can’t play competitively to save my life, but I can’t help but enjoy the series.
I was super hooked on THPS1-3. By the time the 4th I ended up skipping it and all the rest following I had no interest. Even if I loved the 3rd one to death. My take on it is both over saturation(making 1 game per year... even 2 games per year at mid 2000s) and the gaming scene changing. As we were going deeper into the PS2 / Xbox / Gamecube era of gaming, we were introduced to completely new IPs and new genres taking a strong foothold. GTA3, Kingdom Hearts, Halo, Morrowind, MGS2, WoW(or any other MMO). By mid 2000s, the gaming landscape had changed so much, yet THPS series seemed stuck in the past and not evolving. And when it did, it did some horrible choices of focusing on peripheral, attempting to jump on the "Guitar Hero"-peripheral-wave.
I couldn't have said it better. The last game I played in the series was THPS4 and I really enjoyed it but by 2002-2003, the extreme/gnarly craze was starting to get old and this includes a lot of extreme sports games that I use to love playing like Tony Hawk and SSX. By the early 2000s I was more into Devil May Cry, Kingdom Hearts, Halo, Smackdown Here Comes The Pain, etc and just got bored with Tony Hawk and skateboarding in general. By 2004, I already had my driver's license and by 2005 I had my own car so skateboarding just felt more and more juvenile to me(no offense to those who still love skateboarding over the age of 14). Activision just seems to stick to the same old formula with a lot of their games. Tony Hawk and COD are 2 major prime examples of that. But at least with COD I still do enjoy the multiplayer. Tony Hawk on the other hand just stopped serving a purpose for me
This is the only 'Tony Hawk' game--and the only port--of this series that I've ever played. As much as I admired this game for its trick system and its trustworthy physics, I just found THPS a bit too repetitive to enjoy beyond a weekend's rental. Maybe another playthrough might change my mind... Going on a bit of a tangent here: A handful of N64 developers were able to squeeze in hundreds of sound effects, voice clips, and music files into the system's cartridges (Rare and Acclaim's N64 offerings come to mind). Part of me wonders if the full, unedited THPS CD soundtrack, through enough manipulation, could have been squeezed into a large enough N64 cart. (Doing so might have been cost-prohibitive, though.)
I feel like games like 1080 and Waverace 64 helped to pave the way for games like THPS and SSX. But the reason THPS Waverace and 1080 were successful was bc they skirted that line between simulations and arcade. Why do you reccomend the PS version when the DC version destroys the other versions. The reason THPS died is bc it started 1. Getting too far from the source gameplay. Got too ridiculous and stopped riding that line I spoke of. 2. Other games like Skate came out and took back the simulation elements that people craved.
Tony Hawks was that game for me too - except for Graffiti mode, I was unbeatable...have no idea why I was rubbish at the other modes...Well I may have figure out an exploit on Graffiti mode.
+AmishHobo Haha yeah probably so, but I've played those games on and off since childhood and I dunno, they're just sooo fast lol. Love the soundtracks and character options though
I am a bitch at Kingdom Hearts.... well, the super bosses anyway, but I keep playing still. To many players, the Kingdom Hearts series is about strategizing your moves, making physical attacks and magic work together, as well as carefully picking what abilities and items you need for a given battle. To me.... it is just "press X to win"... og, and I keep forgetting the block-button exists.
Well, you cant be "Bad" in this one, Pro skater 2 have more depth in the gameplay so you can do more tricks and chain them together, so thats the one where the good thps players are, its the same with pro skater 3 and 4
There are a lot of games I am really bad at but the one I can't help but keep playing is Street Fighter 4. As for why the Tony Hawk series just up and died? Well there are a lot f reasons for that. First of all, the extreme sports craze of the 90's has long since died off so the audience for these games isn't as large as it use to be. They did find ways to push the series forward with the likes Underground but after Underground 2, they started struggling to do so. Before long they started trying to make the game more realistic and as a result, less fun and then tried forcing unneeded peripherals that didn't work down the throats of consumers. And with that, the series died off.
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I will always love the n64 graphics.
Same : p
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Same. I actually prefer them over the PS version but that's just personal taste. Great games, great memories!
Honestly in most ways the 64 had better graphics. The same way the 64 couldn't do things the PS could because of the format. The PS couldn't do allot of the things the 64 could in terms of its graphical capability. Never see a game as vastly beautiful as OoT,Majoras mask, 1080, waverace, excitebike....I could keep going.
Why did the Tony Hawk franchise die? Activision killed it by disrespecting the developers. The games released on a yearly schedule, but as console hardware got more advanced and the developers got more skilled, the games got more complex.
This really culminated in Tony Hawk's Underground 2, which seemed to do everything a skateboarding game could ever want to do. Up until that point, every game in the franchise had implemented a new control feature that made skating in the game more creative. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 added manuals and made air to ground combos possible. 3 added the revert, which made comboing from vert tricks to street tricks possible. After THUG 2, the sixth game in the series, there wasn't anything more to add. It was possible to chain together infinite combos, change tricks in the middle of a balance trick, jump into and push off of walls, and even create and edit new tricks of your own. With nowhere to go and continuing pressure to maintain the franchise's status as a yearly cash cow, Neversoft was forced to make some questionable decisions.
The seventh game in the series, Tony Hawk's American Wasteland, had some ideas that were great, some ideas that were obvious filler, and no ideas that were fully developed. Great idea: open world. THAW still had individual levels (this time themed after neighborhoods of Los Angeles), but each one was part of a single map. This made it possible to skate a single combo across every cool feature of every level in the game. That sounds like great fun, but the levels all had to be connected by long, boring hallways to mask their loading times. So instead of making the game more streamlined, it just made it more boring.
Now here's a stupid idea: put stuff that isn't skateboarding in a skateboarding game. THAW saw the franchise's first and last implementations of BMX and parkour, which were distinct in their controls and could have been implemented into engaging individual challenges. Instead, BMX offered an insufficiently different alternative to skateboarding, and parkour was implemented in the tutorial for parkour, and that's it. Neither of these additions added anything of value to the gameplay, one was just an alternative to skateboarding (and why provide players with an alternative to the reason they bought the game?), and the other was a minor distraction in the form of a mid-game tutorial. Needless to say, the Tony Hawk games had lost their way a bit.
So the eighth game in the series went back to just skateboarding, and didn't really innovate at all. There was a gimmicky new trick mode that wasn't necessary, and that gimmick was expanded upon in the ninth game. By that time, the Skate series was doing skateboarding games better than the Tony Hawk series was, by having a more fluid control scheme that resulted in more realistic action. The Tony Hawk series was losing sales with every successive entry, and instead of giving Neversoft a two year development cycle to make a better game and build anticipation, Activision shut the studio down. They gave the series to a new team who made cheap games with a stupid motion control peripheral that didn't work for the tenth and eleventh games, and when (obviously) nobody bought those games, they declared that "People simply don't want to play skateboarding games anymore!" and stopped making them.
Until late 2014 that is, when Activision realized their rights to Tony Hawk's name were about to lapse. They rushed that same studio that made the terrible motion controlled games to pinch off a brand new experience, in the tradition of the first 4 games in the series (using an actual controller), in under a year. They failed. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 5, as it was officially called, never made it out of beta before their deadline hit. This game had to be on store shelves less than a year after it was conceived, so the developer simply put the game's demo on the disc copies, and put the entire actual game into a day one patch. Of course, the entire actual game was still unfinished when they were forced to release it, so when it finally did come out (one day before Activision's rights to the Tony Hawk name expired) it was still a broken mess. So nobody played it, nobody cared, and nothing changed. It was like the game never even came out at all.
And that's why the Tony Hawk franchise seemed to die off suddenly. People stopped paying attention because the games stopped being interesting. When that happened, nobody noticed that the series didn't disappear all of a sudden, but rather it died a long, drawn out death.
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Activision didn't do anything that would have destroyed it
Skating just sort of faded away as the majority of people that skated moved on. Today rock music and alternative are dead compared to 10 -15 years ago as people listen to rap/hipop or pop music
there is no people to sell skating games to (or any other extreme sport games)
+tHeWasTeDYouTh I don't agree personally. I think it really WAS Activision pushing for a yearly release and Neversoft getting fed up with having to make the games all the time with a short development cycle. I think there ARE, in fact, plenty of fans out there who want to play extreme sports games. That's how something like Steep manages to get backing, and how SSX (2012) managed to sell decent numbers.
The thing that seems to get lost--in my opinion--with the THPS games is that they're not really just about skateboarding. (I actually don't skateboard at all, yet I'm a huge fan of the series.) In a traditional sports game, what's the purpose? Well to play the sport and win the games. Even extreme sports games prior to THPS were just about doing tricks in runs for the sake of doing tricks in runs, or perhaps--in the case of game series like Xtreme--just about winning a basic competition. But THPS is a game that's more about completing objectives, and because of that it appeals to gamers like me who enjoy open-ended 3D platformers. Furthermore, it has stat improvement mechanics that can appeal to RPG gamers, albeit without much in the way of decent storytelling. Yes, there are occasional levels where the goal is to win a competition like in a typical sports game, but most of the time it's just "skate around open areas collecting stuff and completing objectives, then upgrade your avatar of choice."
So I don't think the market for the games is gone, per se; it's just that A) they got sick of the yearly releases, and B ) Activision won't give any developers the proper time and money to create an experience worthy of the older games, which would draw that crowd back in.
+thecianinator That's an excellent analysis and some interesting info about THPS5 that I didn't know about. However, there are a couple nuances that I feel the need to point out.
1) THAW was not the first time that Neversoft implemented mechanics that weren't skateboarding. That actually started with THPS4 in the form of that silly tennis minigame. It showed--in my eyes at least--that even though the games are primarily about skateboarding, they didn't NEED to be about skateboarding to be fun. As I said in the previous comment, for me the THPS games feel more like open-ended platformers that happen to include skateboarding as the fundamental means of moving around, along with an upgrade system for RPG fans. I know that isn't really a legitimate comparison for most people, but trying to imagine a THPS game without collecting SKATE letters or enhancing your avatar is hard for me. Take those away, and you've just got a generic sports game about playing sports for the sake of playing sports. Also consider that THUG had entire segments devoted to not being on your skateboard at all, sometimes even playing LIKE a platformer. So while THAW may have been the first time that a skateboarding game seemed to be forgetting that it was supposed to BE about skateboarding, it wasn't the first time they delved into things that weren't skateboarding at all.
2) Neversoft wasn't shut down after Proving Ground. Instead they went off to work on Guitar Hero...which naturally died off after Activision continued to push the "one-a-year" model. THAT'S when Neversoft was shut down.
I'm sorry to hear that Activision wasn't willing to give the studio proper time to put a new game together, cause I was really looking forward to THPS5. Then I heard it was re-using older levels and was buggy as hell, so I lost interest very quickly.
I love that TH-cam are pushing your older videos. Another nostalgia hit to remind me of my childhood. Thank you
This game pretty much single-handedly gave new life to the skateboarding industry as a whole. Great review as always!
I think it died suddenly because they milked the shit out of it in such a short time and also the fact that the first entry of the game is SO good. They really only added little things to each game, so they got boring progressively faster in my opinion even though I did like the later installments like Underground and American Wasteland. I also think people got tired of the over the top shit, which is why Skate became a popular successor.
@@AndNayNay then THPS 1+2 released and did what THPS5 was unable to
I orderd this game on n64 today , allways loved it.
Recently got my copy of N64 anthology and was pleasantly surprised to see you'd written the foreword.
Prolly Crazy Taxi, not too hot at it, but I've played it more than any other game ever.
The dreamcast version is the definitive version to play
Vampirerockstar true i play pro 2 on the dreamcast when i was a kid
So true the Dreamcast versions of THPS1 & 2 were the best versions on console
COOLPORN469 Who plays THPS anything with an analog stick? hahahaha
@@ihatecoreysfans3805 well the xbox had 2X which was a further beefed up version of THPS2 so that's the best way there
Im not buying a fucking failurecast.
Dreamcast Version absolutely CRUSHES 64 version. and Made the PS1 ver downright unplayable. Higher poly count and less screen tearing than even the PC ver. Looks amazing through VGA mode
Awesome review as always but I'm surprised you still haven't reviewed Mischief Makers! It's definitely a hidden gem for the N64.
The game that I sucked at but wanted to keep playing was Mortal Kombat Trilogy for me.
Literally all of my friends love Superman and we start singing it when we talk about THPS.
Absolute banger of a tune fam!
As an American, I would've loved to have seen places from European countries like the UK, Germany/Deustchland, France, Spain, Italy, etc make appearances in the Tony Hawk Games of that era! Believe it or not, this version used up about 11.51 megs of data; which is the equivalent of a 12 megabyte(96 megabit) cartridge!
Merely six years since the Nintendo 64 first released, this game was the very last title to be released for the console.
Nope but 3 was 😄
My sister and I used to play this together religiously, it's definitely one of those titles that's got some serious sentimental value for me. Too bad the PC remaster is only on the Epic Games Store.
This game was one of my all time favorite N64 games. Pro Skater 2 was even better, though! :D
THPS2 is also one of my all-time favourite games! I have many good memories of playing it (1st on Dreamcast actually, later N64).
Hey, hey! You finally went 4:3 for your game captures. That's awesome and long overdue, thanks a bunch. :) Not sure how I feel about the retro-TV screen overlay, but at least the game's in its proper aspect ratio.
One of the first video games I ever played. Whenever that Goldfinger or Primus song would come on I would be jamming hard.
I was waiting for this review, and now i cant wait for the pro skater 2 one
This game had such a huge impact on my life. Tech decks came out around the same time, and I was on my way to becoming a full blown skater. I still skate to this day and I have this game to thank for changing my life.
Glenn, great video! This totally brings back some memories. I spent many nights passing around a controller with some of my best friends. Good times
I think the reason the Tony Hawk series started to fade away was 2 things. The first was Neversoft's interests in the series were obviously starting to wane. American Wasteland was a neat idea, with one huge map with no loading screens, but the character customization was a lot more limited than in previous games (you couldn't even make a female skater in story mode). Then it got worse with the jump to the next generation. Project 8 had even more limited customization, some really uninteresting gimmicks, and really poor performance.
The second thing would be that in the midst of the series' decline in quality, a brand new skateboarding series, Skate, popped up. Now, me personally, I'll always prefer the likes of THPS1-THAW over Skate, but one can't deny the series resonated with a lot of people, with its more realistic take on skating, and the simple fact that the developers still gave a shit. That's just what I think, anyway.
I'm terrible at Jet Force: Gemini, even tho I die alot, the game is more exciting the more progress I do!
Excellent informative review, I didn't even know Tony Hawks even made it onto the n64 if it wasn't for your review and I think it's nuts that Tony Hawks 3 made it onto it aswell altho I haven't actually played any of the n64 versions. I do feel the reason why the series suddenly stopped is because the game was milked to death in such a short space of time, I did however recently download the hd remix on Xbox live sand that game is superb and it contains the best bits from all the games
Tony Hawk´s Pro Skater in one Word?
Superman.
2:11 That yellow graphitti have that same shaking problem of PS1 games.
All the F Zero games, i love them but they hate me
hahaha i love starcraft.. but it hates me too :)
At least i can beat the campain ^_^
I too consider myself bad at this game.
I've wasted countless hours in my life that I will never get back... and it was all worth it.
This is one of the rare occasions that I have both the N64 version and the PSOne version of a game. Both versions are great gameplay wise, but the PSOne version gets the edge over the N64 version with the soundtrack and other visual things (like on the school level, they show the music video of the song you're listening to, which is completely absent from the N64 version)...
I've played most of the Tony Hawk games and I became a Tony Hawk god around THPS4.
Without this game, I don't know what kind of music I would've listened to growing up. The soundtrack shaped the way I would enjoy music throughout my my life.
its too bad the music in the n64 version wasn't the full songs and just played annoying 10 second clips of a few songs
Always loved the franchise! My first experience was also on the Playstation 1. The N64 games are definitely enjoyable, too. My favorite is still The 4th entry, which I picked up for the Xbox back in the day.
I wasn't the best @ this game either, but I still loved this game. The music in the game was incredible.
Thanks for surfacing those horrible, looping, MIDI sounding versions of the soundtrack that still haunt me.
I never had the PS version because I only had the N64 at that time. in such, I didn't know what I was missing. That being said, I put hundreds of hours into playing this game. After completing all the challenges and collectibles I would always erase my progress and earn them again. The game is infamous for never becoming boring. As for the games I suck at but enjoy playing is the Tekken series. I love the games, but I'm horrible at fighting games.
I once watched a trailer of an indie game where the developer played so bad that I hat the urge to buy his game to play it how it's meant to be played.
After watching the first few seconds of your review I had the urge to punch my monitor but then I decided to grab my THPS2 CD for computer and I hope for the love of god that the damn game runs on my Windows machine!
Yes a new review ! :)
i love the new video format with the borders! looks very snazzy (: also i actually prefer the n64 version's graphics, personally. even if the port clearly wasn't optimized to take advantage of the n64's more powerful hardware, i'll still take the n64 version's graphics over the playstation's endlessly jittery, pixelated textures and jaggies any day, FMV or not. too bad activision didn't get a hold of factor 5 or we probably could have had the full soundtrack on the n64 as well, but whatever, i just bought the albums the music in the game was from and listened to those (; oh yeah - the reason you're not so great at the n64 version is cause you're using the analog stick! the tony hawk series was totally designed to be played with the d-pad and it works much better if you play it with that instead of the stick. (:
AND NOW WE HAVE THE REMAKES COMING! WOOOOOOO
A game that I'm terrible at but can't stop playing? Pac-Man . . . seriously. I'm not very good at most single screen arcade games, but there's something about Pac-Man that I can pick up and play at pretty much any moment and have a great time. I'm completely awful at it, but man I love it.
I was SICK with that rune guy.
Played the hell out of this game. Ended up getting THPS2 on my PC though. Both were fantastic!
killer review buddy
eh im a new subscriber and a huge n64 fan, i have many nintendo tats lol, can you do a review of tonic trouble? thanks man ur review of shadow man and forsaken would b great
I've played through THPS 3 on PC a year ago while listening to the THPS 2 soundtrack and it was still as much fun as it was back then.
I really hope Tony Hawk can get some good dev to work on his teased next project, now that he's not bound to the Activision shit anymore.
Glenn as always your review is the best. You are the king of N64. I think the franchise died as they simply ran out of new ideas. People fell in love with the characters and feel for the first 3 games that after that too many changes hurt the game. Had the new ones put in an unlock retro character mode it would gain fans again. What is the best N64 game to have been made after the PS version? My opinion its Tony Hawk pro skaterThanx Glenn
always preferred mat hoffmans pro bmx personally!
I know a couple of the songs. here's a list:
Euro-Barge by the Vandals
Jerry Was a Race Car Driver by Primus
New Girl by Suicide Machines
Cyco Vision by Suicidal Tendencies
Superman by Goldfinger
Even Rude by Vilified
I owned all three versions of THPS and I just couldn't get on with the N64. loved the game on The dream cast and then really felt at home with the PS1 version. My all time favourite game franchise.
I suck at the Bayonetta games, but they're just such a huge blast to play, I keep coming back. I got my Wii U for Bayonetta 2, and don't regret it a bit.
I only played the PS1 version of this game. It was my neighbors' game and he was pretty selfish. The thing I didn't like about this game was that there wasn't a 2 player "free skate" mode. That wasn't available until Tony Hawk 2 came out. I bought the Dreamcast version of that game and thoroughly enjoyed it. Great sound and graphics. I think it was a good thing for me to pass this one and get the best version of Tony Hawk 2.
Great review
Oh hey. I didn't even realize you had that background in there. Was that in last video? It's nice!
Are you ready for this game but in HD???? I am! And double the content
Amen Bruva!
Just bought the Nintendo 64 Anthology book and could only read your foreword in your voice. It's as distinctive as reading something written by Christopher Walken or something. I hope you're happy.
To answer your question, 'cause I totally forgot to in my first comment. The reason it died was an over saturation and gimmicks. There was a Tony Hawk game almost yearly for some long time, much like rock band and guitar hero, it was just to much, then once motion controls became a thing, they made a game that you used a real board to play on, which... worked as good as you can expect. By that time Stake games came in, and had better sense of detail, the church you liked about Tony Hawk's Pro Skater one was amplified and even had a game mode around hurting your staker as much as you could. And Tony Hawk's name drifted out of main stream. Any number of those alone wouldn't off doomed the games... But put all together, and you have a problem.
I'm so glad you finally did Pro Skater!!! One of my favorites. Can't wait to watch this! (You better have given it good praise! )
I think I liked THPS 2 more. Plus, there was a McDonald's that had the game for people to play, which was pretty sweet.
haha well thats even more of a reason to prefer 2
@@n64glennplant I remember the McDonald's also had Mario Party 2 or 3, Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards, Mickey's Speedway USA and Tigger's Honey Hunt.
THPS HD is a very good updated/remastered version of this game. Not sure if its on consoles though.
Kitelime actually that's famously awful that game
Na people just don't remember how awful mechanically thps 1 and 2 were. The HD remake isn't as bad as people say, I had zero issue with it. Actually go back and play them and see how janky they are compared to how your nostalgia remembers.
Kitelime tbh I do agree, the originals are stiff to control nowadays compared to thps3 but I had problems with HD, crashes and the controls seem sloppy to me *I have the ps3 version* thps5 I feel isn't as bad as people say, I think people were on the bandwagon of oh it's so glitchy when after updates it runs fine even if some of the challenges were bad, but the controls on it were far better for me then HD, just fact that the fact it sold for full rrp was sickening to say the least but that's Activision's fault, I don't blame robomodo, have you ever played thps2x? it's basically an original version of HD, it was an Xbox exclusive and only released in America which is a pain because I live in the UK and has to import it, of you haven't heard of it it's worth looking it up.
I feel on the THPS5 thing, but I still think the controls were horrid in that game to the point where it was unplayable for me. Having the slam and grind on the same button was mind mindbogglingly stupid.. And yeah the PC version of HD i have had 0 problems with crash wise.
Kitelime the slam button was pointless by they did replace it with a double tap, personally I didn't think the remake was that great and not that I loved thps5, the classics like thps3 is really all I remember.
Aside from what's already been stated as to the developers screwing over the series, I think that the Skate series was ultimately the nail in the coffin for the Tony Hawk series. I remember when Skate came out and literally everyone I knew (mostly fellow skaters) dropped the TH series like a rock and swarmed to the Skate series for its more realistic and fluid control scheme.
Also wanted to take a second to tell Glenn that he's the shit, thanks for being rad.
I loved the THPS games, they're some of the most fun I had. I had trouble getting into it at first but once I got the hang of it, I was having a blast. I played them all on the Playstation and Dreamcast then the XBox and so on. I never played any of them on the N64 though, in fact I don't think I played any of them on a Nintendo console. I know a port of THPS 3 was released as the last official N64 game. I played them all up until Tony Hawk's Proving Ground. I also played THPS 5...
My favorite in the series though has to be Tony Hawk's Underground 2.
I think the series started to lose it's steam after Activision, as per usual, started to whore out the series, like they did with Guitar Hero and now Call of Duty, releasing a new one annually. I never touched Tony Hawk Ride and Shred, which used that stupid board controller.
THPS 5 was a last ditch effort, but ended the series with a whimper, sadly...
Love hearing Primus.
Nice video Glenn! i have sooo much memories with this games, waoo yes, you are right! The soundtrack of this one tattoes in your brain! My durability with this game was a year and a hals, something like that, it gets bore after.. oh yes, ther game contrilling was very simple, you are right too on that, and YES! the frame rate, i prefer that than sharper images, greetings from Ecuador! :)
I know I'm a bit late for commenting, but in the video, you asked which game we are terrible at, yet can't stop playing. I am terrible at everything, and I keep playing everything anyway. My girlfriend likes to watch me play the new super Mario bros games because she thinks I'm great at them, but I'm really not, I just find them quite simple compared to the older Mario games. Since I'm pretty awful at everything, I usually stick to turn based RPGs, because I find the skill requirement is pretty low. But even then, I look up some information online about the RPG I'm playing, and apparently, I'm still doing it wrong. I guess I'm supposed to do every mundane side quest, earn mundane items, that I can use hours later to obtain the best armour or weapons in the game to do a million damage points. Or I'm supposed to equip specific items simultaneously in order to exploit the game system in order to steamroll every enemy in the game... I love video games, I just wish I could spend the time on getting better at them.
I guess it was the worst version but we grew up playing the n64 version and loved it. The framerate blew our minds!
Yeah, when I picked up the 64 version of the game, I was pretty disappointed. I also grew up on the Playstation, and I kind of felt let down by this version. It was also kind of awkward to play at first, being so used to the Playstation control set up.
To answer your question, I guess I'd say fighting games in general. I can't pull off any special moves or combos in Street Fighter, but I'll pop it in every now and then just for the fun of it.
this game was so awesome
I just rebought the PS1 VERSIONS of these games.
I loved them as a kid.
Personally I'll take the crisp sound over better visuals..
But it is an interesting case where they fit a PS1 game into a N64 cartridge
Might need to buy this after seeing your review (:
Do it! Tons of fun. Like he said, it's a lot more fun when you're good.
I only had the n64 version of tony hawk pro skater 1 2 and 3. I thought they were all fucking great even 3 which was pushing the n64 limits at that point still felt new and fresh even though it was mainly made for the ps2 and gamecube
After playing the PS1 version first, the n64 version's extremely cut down and looped songs bothered me too much. I'd just turn the music off and play something of my own in the background. boom. problem solved.
I only ever played the second one (It's the best one) but don't you think that they should've brought all the coloured carts over to the PAL regions? All we got was Turok 2 and Majora's mask
what´s the name of the background music form the beginning? Great video
I wasn't too into the Tony Hawk games. I played them once or twice, 1&2. Nevertheless, a nice review Glenn. \,,/
I never played this version. I had the PlayStation version. I think the series died simply because there isn't much more you can really do with it. And people simply got tired of it. Some things just don't withstand the test of time for everyone. But it may come back someday for a new generation and us oldies that played this when it was new.
The THPS games seemed to go downhill when Robomodo took over production. Of course, correlation does not equal causation.
great review dude i loved this game so much i got it for every console the dreamcast version was the best, i think the reason why these games died is because game companies kill them out with a new version every year activision are known for doing that with there franchises they turn them into cash grabs
I’m terrible at Street Fighter; I always have to play on the lowest difficulty setting and can’t play competitively to save my life, but I can’t help but enjoy the series.
I love 1 and 2 pro skater
awesome
love the thps games but the first one for the N64 is a hard sob to control with the c buttons its still fun
I was super hooked on THPS1-3. By the time the 4th I ended up skipping it and all the rest following I had no interest. Even if I loved the 3rd one to death. My take on it is both over saturation(making 1 game per year... even 2 games per year at mid 2000s) and the gaming scene changing. As we were going deeper into the PS2 / Xbox / Gamecube era of gaming, we were introduced to completely new IPs and new genres taking a strong foothold. GTA3, Kingdom Hearts, Halo, Morrowind, MGS2, WoW(or any other MMO). By mid 2000s, the gaming landscape had changed so much, yet THPS series seemed stuck in the past and not evolving. And when it did, it did some horrible choices of focusing on peripheral, attempting to jump on the "Guitar Hero"-peripheral-wave.
I couldn't have said it better. The last game I played in the series was THPS4 and I really enjoyed it but by 2002-2003, the extreme/gnarly craze was starting to get old and this includes a lot of extreme sports games that I use to love playing like Tony Hawk and SSX. By the early 2000s I was more into Devil May Cry, Kingdom Hearts, Halo, Smackdown Here Comes The Pain, etc and just got bored with Tony Hawk and skateboarding in general. By 2004, I already had my driver's license and by 2005 I had my own car so skateboarding just felt more and more juvenile to me(no offense to those who still love skateboarding over the age of 14). Activision just seems to stick to the same old formula with a lot of their games. Tony Hawk and COD are 2 major prime examples of that. But at least with COD I still do enjoy the multiplayer. Tony Hawk on the other hand just stopped serving a purpose for me
This is the only 'Tony Hawk' game--and the only port--of this series that I've ever played. As much as I admired this game for its trick system and its trustworthy physics, I just found THPS a bit too repetitive to enjoy beyond a weekend's rental. Maybe another playthrough might change my mind...
Going on a bit of a tangent here: A handful of N64 developers were able to squeeze in hundreds of sound effects, voice clips, and music files into the system's cartridges (Rare and Acclaim's N64 offerings come to mind). Part of me wonders if the full, unedited THPS CD soundtrack, through enough manipulation, could have been squeezed into a large enough N64 cart. (Doing so might have been cost-prohibitive, though.)
Great channel.
I feel like games like 1080 and Waverace 64 helped to pave the way for games like THPS and SSX. But the reason THPS Waverace and 1080 were successful was bc they skirted that line between simulations and arcade. Why do you reccomend the PS version when the DC version destroys the other versions.
The reason THPS died is bc it started 1. Getting too far from the source gameplay. Got too ridiculous and stopped riding that line I spoke of.
2. Other games like Skate came out and took back the simulation elements that people craved.
Tony Hawks was that game for me too - except for Graffiti mode, I was unbeatable...have no idea why I was rubbish at the other modes...Well I may have figure out an exploit on Graffiti mode.
I wanted to play this game again but my n64 won’t work :(
Melhor game de skate !!!
awesome video! Thx
Both F-Zeros (n64 and GC version) I don't understand how people can be so good at those, they're ridiculously difficult.
Simply put my friend, practice :) You too could achieve mastery with patience, dedication and hours put into perfecting your skills.
+AmishHobo Haha yeah probably so, but I've played those games on and off since childhood and I dunno, they're just sooo fast lol. Love the soundtracks and character options though
The game I'm terrible at but can't help but keep playing? I would have to say life. (and not the board game).
I am a bitch at Kingdom Hearts.... well, the super bosses anyway, but I keep playing still. To many players, the Kingdom Hearts series is about strategizing your moves, making physical attacks and magic work together, as well as carefully picking what abilities and items you need for a given battle. To me.... it is just "press X to win"... og, and I keep forgetting the block-button exists.
is Pro Skater 2 any good?
The games I sucked at but loved and would still replay were the Mega Man X series(1-4) and the arcade version of Mortal Kombat 2 & 3(Ultimate MK3)
+I Hate Modern Society mega man are just damn old school tough!
You can say that again lol
Blasto is the game I'm bad at but cant stop playing
Game I was awful at but loved? Any Street Fighter game......
I think it was more fun to go skate in real life than play these games, but now i'd rather play these games.
Well, you cant be "Bad" in this one, Pro skater 2 have more depth in the gameplay so you can do more tricks and chain them together, so thats the one where the good thps players are, its the same with pro skater 3 and 4
Guessing the texture
problems were due to a lack of storage space on the cartridge, not frame rate
Hey Glenn can you review Tony's Hawk Pro Skater 2 and 3.
on my to do list :)
There are a lot of games I am really bad at but the one I can't help but keep playing is Street Fighter 4.
As for why the Tony Hawk series just up and died? Well there are a lot f reasons for that. First of all, the extreme sports craze of the 90's has long since died off so the audience for these games isn't as large as it use to be. They did find ways to push the series forward with the likes Underground but after Underground 2, they started struggling to do so. Before long they started trying to make the game more realistic and as a result, less fun and then tried forcing unneeded peripherals that didn't work down the throats of consumers. And with that, the series died off.
who ever got that tower glitch? if you skate off the tower right you'll do an endless fall?