I’m a huge fan of Sting but I agree. He’s a headline act and a legend but his characters were created by someone else. But that’s true of many wrestlers, I don’t see it as a criticism, it was still up to Sting to make those gimmicks work and he did
Heath Leger didnt write The Jokers dialogue, design his costume, or come up with his character arc, but its his performance we all remember. Hall gave him the Crow idea, but Steve Borden got it over
agreed. good for sting for literally just doing whatever flair told him to do. that's in itself somewhat smart. smart enough to not get into his own way.
Mark Calloway didn’t come up with the Undertaker character, and in the hands of most guys, it would have died before the Attitude Era, but he made it cool and reinvented it along the way, like Sting did. It was the performer not the gimmick.
I've always wondered what Dustin Rhodes could have done with the Undertaker's gimmick. He played Goldust so well, such a dark mysterious character. I don't think it would have been better than Calloway but it would have been different and damned good.
Dutch is spot on, Sting was managed all the way through those early years. He sat under the knowledge tree and listened, what he didn't understand he just took instructions on. He looked good and had a great attitude. He deserves his legendary status because he was always a willing listener. In many ways that's the ultimate compliment.
Not really. Because if all he does is listen and say yes to others around him then when he is dealing with people who don't have his best interest in mind it will hurt him, which is exactly what happened to Sting in WCW.
Jim Cornette described it perfectly, Sting said "yes" to anybody; if he was put with the right people he'd do fine. Then he went to TNA and we saw how well he did as the ring general.
This explains why Sting made the mistake of joining the nWo Wolfpac. It made absolutely no sense and if he understood his character like a DDP did, he would have said no to the group.
@@andisuge I'd say a bit of both because that crow gimmick Sting was using at the time was *gold* and he was pretty much the perfect foil to go up against the nWo. As over as DDP and Luger were in 97 I don't think any of them actually eclipsed the nWo like Sting did.
@@markant9534 Agreed. Especially on Sting not being a good talker. I mean it says a lot when the most over Sting was in his career was when he wasn't talking with the crow gimmick. And it's no coincidence that when he started talking again his character began losing steam. Sting was the most over wrestler in 97 and by 98 a lot of that heat was lost because he didn't understand the appeal of his character which was his mystique.
This great classic example being in right place with right person in business of professional wrestling situation that happened on everyday basic video
How about he got over by years in the gym, his customized painted face he did, choosing his ring entire and the very color of his hair. He had great charisma and a connection with the audience. Did flair get him completely over? Yes he did but it’s because he knew he was adored by fans and new they could draw money. Flair definitely carried the match but you can’t take away the momentum Sting had! Love the show and Dutch!
Sting may have had other ppls ideas but there is not denying Sting had the charisma to actually get over. Can't teach charisma, just look at Roman lame.
Actually both Sting & Warrior went to Watt's UWF in Oklahoma. However Warrior didn't like it there and left Sting in The UWF. He went to WCCW in Texas and became The Dingo Warrior. I believe Gary Hart was the Booker in Texas at that time. An of course Sting was Grandfathered into NWA from UWF. Than absorbed into WCW.
Sting is more like the star of a production while Flair would be the director. Sting would go on to become a fairly exciting wrestler but I don't know if he really developed a great mind for the business. He would have great matches with guys like Vader who could carry Sting. But when Sting was with lesser opponents, the same spark wasn't there. And I can see what Dutch is saying here about other people's ideas. The thing is that Sting was associated to a lot of really bad moments too, sometimes cartoony or goofy whether it was Robocop, the Dudes with Attitudes (awful name), Barry Windham as the fake Sting, the Black Scorpion, that god awful vignette with the midget and bomb on the island, the Shockmaster, even Crow Sting with the vulture (where a lot of people would sardonically remark about Sting's thanksgiving Turkey). I think part of it was that he wanted to do these things for the kids and at various times, he'd just go along with what they gave him without realizing possibly that the end result would damage not only the business but his overall image. I think Herd etc were trying to make him into the 2nd coming of Hulk Hogan in WCW which was bad because the WCW/NWA fans were more about gritty, hard hitting angles and wrestling rather than cartoony phoniness.
@@gregorylevi1826 it is true I used to travel with Steve back in the territory days and spent many nights talking with him..he didn't give 2 shits about the business unless he got paid first
give credit to him to being open though to the advice. plenty have an ego so big they wouldn't be open to the guidance being offered. but yeah when you watch early sting you can tell he's being carried by charisma and good heels who could call matches
Sting was a jobber with the ultimate warrior as tag team. But then sting learned how to work and Ric flair helped sting become great by having a match. Ric flair would go on to have matches with Ricky Steamboat and Dusty Rhodes. Flair knew how to get guys over. So Flair saw talent in sting and want to helped him because sting is such a great guy.
This is true of a lot of wrestlers. One of the reasons I laugh when people say Sting and Bret Hart are on the same level. Bret knew psychology and could wrestle while Sting needed constant guidance
@@SirManfly yeah I take that back. The screw job got him over briefly. But he was too big of a mark to see it, and spent decades crying about it instead of taking advantage.
The face paint came from his days as a tag team partner with the ultimate warrior when they were called the Blade Runners, which is why the warrior had face paint too.
This is what made him different from the warrior. They were both green but they looked great. Sting was coachable knew he was green but was likeable and was willing to learn. Warrior didn't care he just knew he looked good and that's all that mattered so he was perfect for wwf because that's what they like but, according to his peers he never got it just thought since he had the body he should be the man...
I know everyone says that and it’s probably true. I just wonder. If their scenarios were switched, would their stories have changed? JCP was known for its work rate and WWF known for gimmicks and being the land of the giants. If Warrior went to JCP, he would have had to learn or be gone very quickly. If Sting went to the WWF, his body and charisma would have gotten him over and he wouldn’t have Flair and others teaching him. Also Dutch has one major thing wrong in his story, which definitely shows the difference between Sting’s character vs Warrior’s. They both went to Watts. However Warrior no showed a show to go to WCCW for a bigger payday. It definitely shows Sting was a more standup guy, that he kept his word.
@@spidey1z Sting would have become the new Hogan like Warrior was meant to be. except he would do as he was told and Vince would have what he always wanted.
@@steveomac385 maybe and maybe not. The Horsemen and Rhodes took Sting under their wings, yes to make money. That was one of the biggest differences between JCP and the WWF. JCP guys knew they needed new opponents. In the WWF, it was just create monsters for Hogan. Warrior had a far more vascular look than Sting. So Sting might’ve never caught Vince’s eye. There’s also no telling what Sting would’ve become without tutelage. No one told Warrior, he was doing the Gorilla Press Slam wrong until his feud with Rude.
@@gregorylevi1826 that was after the tutelage of Flair, Dusty, the Road Warriors and everyone else at JCP. I’m actually old enough to have watched The Blade Runners and then The Dingo Warrior in WCCW and early Sting under Hot Stuff Eddie Gilbert in UWF. If Borden & Helwig switched roles, you probably wouldn’t of heard of either them. Sting wouldn’t have been taught in the WWF and the Warrior wouldn’t listen to advice. Sting might’ve been lucky and Dusty might’ve picked up the discarded Sting from WWF. Then Sting could’ve been taught how to be a superstar. I agree with assessment from The Self Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior, if you take away Warriors theme music and his running to the ring. He wouldn’t have had a career. Warrior wouldn’t have been the one to beat The Honky Tonk Man for the IC Title and have the rocket strapped to his back. I just don’t buy Sting in that roll of having his music blasted, running to the ring and bouncing around the ring like a madman to get himself noticed
No, the previous Wrestlemania did far better business and Warrior run as champ was hurt because he beat Hogan, Hulk went on to easily outdraw Warrior on seperate house shows that year.
How if in wrestlemania 5 was un small trump plaza with only 20 k people in attendance and wrestlemania 6 was in the sky dome with 67 k people in attendance..
Idk if Sting came up with surfer Sting, but i doubt itd be hard to get over in the 80s being jacked up with a platinum blonde buzz cut, colorful tights & boots, and face paint. 🤷♂️
Sting and the ultimate warriors were green body builders warrior wa a poor man`s Sting, they both started as a really green tag team called the Blade Runners.
So was Bret taking a break from WWE/contract running out after WM 12 how they were able to navigate Bret vs. Shawn as well as they did? Remember this was before Austin won KotR & Austin & Bret were paired up when Bret resigned & came back.
Ric Flair stole Buddy Rogers's identity and got himself over with it and made his name. No one would have known who Ric Flair was if he hadn't stolen The Nature Boy gimmick from Buddy Rogers.
They both went to UWF. Wrestled for a short time. Then Warrior started his crap. No showed and tried to get Sting to do the same. Sting has a lengthy interview on this.
Let's talk about how bad Hogan sucked. The NWO was the best thing that ever happened to him. It got the fans away from the same old match that a 5 year old could do. Nothing wrong with Sting.
I grew up on Mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling. Sorry everyone, Flair and the Minnesota Wrecking Crew are still the best ever, formative environment and all. Bring back the Thunderfoot gimmick, thank you.
Sure Sting had the Muscle Beach look. So did Luger. But isn't that what this is about, at least partly? What about Hogan? To say someone else carried someone else is, in this business, often perceived as an insult. Again, it takes at least TWO to have a great or even good match. Flair had the experience. It isn't surprising he called their matches. Flair didn't call Harley Race's matches did he? Flair put alot of work into his gimmick and I completely agree that a good heel takes much more work to master than a good face. Flair's character was not completely his own and was patterned after Buddy Rogers and even Gorgeous George. He could do it better than anyone else. Still thinks he can (lol). Sting could never make any other gimmick work other than the early colorful Beach gimmick and later the Crow like gimmick, both face gimmicks. Chasing Flair was the angle. Flair holding the belt and all the other top faces, which Luger also became a part of after his Horseman run, chasing him. Sting was a part of that. So was Ronnie Garvin, Ricky Steamboat, Ricky Morton, Dusty Rhodes, Magnum TA, anyone else that came along. Good podcast with Dutch.
Well luck and also being extremely likable and charismatic. Seriously you can be terrible employee but if your coworkers and boss likes you as a person they'll overlook most of the shit you do. Think about the fact that it was the Outsiders who gave Sting the crow idea and than try to remember any other time they did something for anyone that didn't also benefit them or one of their close friends
@𝓓𝓮𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓜𝓬 there was nothing charming about Warrior. He was nothing but A bodybuilder who was lucky Vince was in the wrestling business. Sting had way more longevity than he did.
Sting was a bad wrestler for the majority of his career that got over due to some of the greatest minds in wrestling. Flair, Hall, Hogan. The smarks love to rewrite history though.
I love Dirty Dutch but he talks in circles here. On the one hand, Ric Flair carried Sting...blah, blah,blah, then he followes that up with how heels should always run the matches. Circular logic folks
Totally agree with Dutch and have always felt that way about Sting, Luger and a lot of the big muscle heads Flair faced. And I think Flair loved working with those guys because it secured his spot because they could not take his place.
Flair made him /Nwo kept him hot/ TNA was meh/WWE didn’t have a clue great charisma and athleticism but other than that idk and I’m a Sting fan but facts can’t be overlooked
Ok after the terrible British wrestlers list. If sting didn't get over without someone elses idea then no one in wwf got over because Vince had to approve everything. And yet another person giving flair to much credit.
Flair is getting all the credit because he deserved it. Flair had to call all the shots cause Sting didn't know what he was doing so Flair had to always lead.
Not a sting fan, or sting hater. Just found him kind of boring. How did he get over? He looked good and it's obvious somebody new how to push him. He didn't give a good interview, his woooooo....... seem like a pale imitation of Ric Flair. And his wrestling was not very exciting. Sting and Lex Luger 2 Mega Stars that were incredibly untalented and boring to watch. It would have been fun to hate him, or fun to like him, BUT just boring 😴
If it wasn’t for heels I would of never cared about wrestling. HHH carried WWE for a good decade. The heels do the cool shit. Sting I never got into. I felt bad when rollins ended his career for a while. But sting is clearly not the sting he was in the 90s and AEW milks the shit out of him still
I couldn't agree more. His makeup was very similar to warriors and would change color or facepaint design but it stayed the same general shap luke warrior minius the rounded off triangle on the forhead. Then he rips off the crow then later on he rips off the joker. That's just his look. Bot gonna lie, I always felt he was a little overrated.
Well yeah they use to be tag team partners so I can understand their facepaint being similar still after they split up. But they both copied their facepaint from "The Legion Of Doom" The Rode Warriors.
I’m a huge fan of Sting but I agree. He’s a headline act and a legend but his characters were created by someone else. But that’s true of many wrestlers, I don’t see it as a criticism, it was still up to Sting to make those gimmicks work and he did
Heath Leger didnt write The Jokers dialogue, design his costume, or come up with his character arc, but its his performance we all remember. Hall gave him the Crow idea, but Steve Borden got it over
Here here! Right on point!
@@Smokey1419 This, Sting had charisma and the talent to connect with the audience.
Facts
agreed. good for sting for literally just doing whatever flair told him to do. that's in itself somewhat smart. smart enough to not get into his own way.
Mark Calloway didn’t come up with the Undertaker character, and in the hands of most guys, it would have died before the Attitude Era, but he made it cool and reinvented it along the way, like Sting did. It was the performer not the gimmick.
I've always wondered what Dustin Rhodes could have done with the Undertaker's gimmick. He played Goldust so well, such a dark mysterious character. I don't think it would have been better than Calloway but it would have been different and damned good.
Hey James, i dont mind if a story gets repeat posted. When Dutch and his generation are gone, we will lose all these stories. let him ramble.
Dutch is spot on, Sting was managed all the way through those early years. He sat under the knowledge tree and listened, what he didn't understand he just took instructions on. He looked good and had a great attitude. He deserves his legendary status because he was always a willing listener. In many ways that's the ultimate compliment.
I don't know about "great attitude" I've heard that he was basically a huge asshole almost to shawn michaels like levels until like 97 or 98.
Not really. Because if all he does is listen and say yes to others around him then when he is dealing with people who don't have his best interest in mind it will hurt him, which is exactly what happened to Sting in WCW.
Jim Cornette described it perfectly, Sting said "yes" to anybody; if he was put with the right people he'd do fine. Then he went to TNA and we saw how well he did as the ring general.
This explains why Sting made the mistake of joining the nWo Wolfpac. It made absolutely no sense and if he understood his character like a DDP did, he would have said no to the group.
"Never pit a top baby face against a top baby face"
Vince McMahon : "Undertaker vs Undertaker"
Part of being a good worker is following directions and instructions.
Sting Got Over for he got over ICON LEGEND .... talent
Sting may have had no idea, but Flair wrestled the SAME match for 40 years.
Without Flair Sting and Luger couldn't draw dimes with anyone else. Sting finally became a legitimate dime drawer in 1997.
WCW was red-hot in 97.
Was that him or nWo? I'm gonna go nWo on that one.
🤔If Sting became a legitimate dime drawer in 97 then wouldn't that mean he could draw dimes with other people beside Flair
@@andisuge I'd say a bit of both because that crow gimmick Sting was using at the time was *gold* and he was pretty much the perfect foil to go up against the nWo. As over as DDP and Luger were in 97 I don't think any of them actually eclipsed the nWo like Sting did.
Sting knows how to get over. Great talker. Great in ring worker. Sting drew that STING money.
Yeah he gets over by taking the piss out of handicap kids
He didn`t draw well as champ and was just a green bodybuilder when he first wrestled Flair, Sting wasn`t a good talker he just had a great look.
@@markant9534 Agreed. Especially on Sting not being a good talker. I mean it says a lot when the most over Sting was in his career was when he wasn't talking with the crow gimmick. And it's no coincidence that when he started talking again his character began losing steam. Sting was the most over wrestler in 97 and by 98 a lot of that heat was lost because he didn't understand the appeal of his character which was his mystique.
@@markant9534you have literally no idea what you’re talking about 😂
This great classic example being in right place with right person in business of professional wrestling situation that happened on everyday basic video
How about he got over by years in the gym, his customized painted face he did, choosing his ring entire and the very color of his hair. He had great charisma and a connection with the audience. Did flair get him completely over? Yes he did but it’s because he knew he was adored by fans and new they could draw money. Flair definitely carried the match but you can’t take away the momentum Sting had! Love the show and Dutch!
Sting may have had other ppls ideas but there is not denying Sting had the charisma to actually get over. Can't teach charisma, just look at Roman lame.
Actually both Sting & Warrior went to Watt's UWF in Oklahoma. However Warrior didn't like it there and left Sting in The UWF. He went to WCCW in Texas and became The Dingo Warrior. I believe Gary Hart was the Booker in Texas at that time. An of course Sting was Grandfathered into NWA from UWF. Than absorbed into WCW.
Sting is more like the star of a production while Flair would be the director. Sting would go on to become a fairly exciting wrestler but I don't know if he really developed a great mind for the business. He would have great matches with guys like Vader who could carry Sting. But when Sting was with lesser opponents, the same spark wasn't there. And I can see what Dutch is saying here about other people's ideas. The thing is that Sting was associated to a lot of really bad moments too, sometimes cartoony or goofy whether it was Robocop, the Dudes with Attitudes (awful name), Barry Windham as the fake Sting, the Black Scorpion, that god awful vignette with the midget and bomb on the island, the Shockmaster, even Crow Sting with the vulture (where a lot of people would sardonically remark about Sting's thanksgiving Turkey). I think part of it was that he wanted to do these things for the kids and at various times, he'd just go along with what they gave him without realizing possibly that the end result would damage not only the business but his overall image. I think Herd etc were trying to make him into the 2nd coming of Hulk Hogan in WCW which was bad because the WCW/NWA fans were more about gritty, hard hitting angles and wrestling rather than cartoony phoniness.
Your putting too much into Sting looked at wrestling as a paycheck and that's about it
@@CornPopodopolis that's not true, Sting wanted to learn & grow. Now Warrior definitely looked at wrestling as only A paycheck, Lex Luger too.
@@gregorylevi1826 it is true I used to travel with Steve back in the territory days and spent many nights talking with him..he didn't give 2 shits about the business unless he got paid first
give credit to him to being open though to the advice. plenty have an ego so big they wouldn't be open to the guidance being offered. but yeah when you watch early sting you can tell he's being carried by charisma and good heels who could call matches
Sting was a jobber with the ultimate warrior as tag team. But then sting learned how to work and Ric flair helped sting become great by having a match. Ric flair would go on to have matches with Ricky Steamboat and Dusty Rhodes. Flair knew how to get guys over. So Flair saw talent in sting and want to helped him because sting is such a great guy.
Yes crow sting was Scott halls idea but that was only one part of his whole career
This is true of a lot of wrestlers. One of the reasons I laugh when people say Sting and Bret Hart are on the same level. Bret knew psychology and could wrestle while Sting needed constant guidance
Sting 🦂 was never the greatest wrestler I ever saw but Bret certainly was!
Sting had ten times more charisma than the Shitman.
Sting got over and Bret never did.
@Guy wrong! 😑
@@SirManfly yeah I take that back. The screw job got him over briefly. But he was too big of a mark to see it, and spent decades crying about it instead of taking advantage.
Sting and Ultimate Warrior both went to Mid South together after Memphis... They didn't split up til they left there
By then Watts renamed it UWF, before Warrior left.
I always wondered who came up with the actual name "Sting", the gimmick with the face point, bleached blonde hair and scorpion motif.
The face paint came from his days as a tag team partner with the ultimate warrior when they were called the Blade Runners, which is why the warrior had face paint too.
This is what made him different from the warrior. They were both green but they looked great. Sting was coachable knew he was green but was likeable and was willing to learn. Warrior didn't care he just knew he looked good and that's all that mattered so he was perfect for wwf because that's what they like but, according to his peers he never got it just thought since he had the body he should be the man...
I know everyone says that and it’s probably true. I just wonder. If their scenarios were switched, would their stories have changed? JCP was known for its work rate and WWF known for gimmicks and being the land of the giants. If Warrior went to JCP, he would have had to learn or be gone very quickly. If Sting went to the WWF, his body and charisma would have gotten him over and he wouldn’t have Flair and others teaching him.
Also Dutch has one major thing wrong in his story, which definitely shows the difference between Sting’s character vs Warrior’s. They both went to Watts. However Warrior no showed a show to go to WCCW for a bigger payday. It definitely shows Sting was a more standup guy, that he kept his word.
@@spidey1z Sting would have become the new Hogan like Warrior was meant to be. except he would do as he was told and Vince would have what he always wanted.
@@steveomac385 maybe and maybe not. The Horsemen and Rhodes took Sting under their wings, yes to make money. That was one of the biggest differences between JCP and the WWF. JCP guys knew they needed new opponents. In the WWF, it was just create monsters for Hogan. Warrior had a far more vascular look than Sting. So Sting might’ve never caught Vince’s eye. There’s also no telling what Sting would’ve become without tutelage. No one told Warrior, he was doing the Gorilla Press Slam wrong until his feud with Rude.
@@spidey1z no Sting definitely caught Vince's eye. Vince tried many times to get Sting to come to WWF.
@@gregorylevi1826 that was after the tutelage of Flair, Dusty, the Road Warriors and everyone else at JCP. I’m actually old enough to have watched The Blade Runners and then The Dingo Warrior in WCCW and early Sting under Hot Stuff Eddie Gilbert in UWF. If Borden & Helwig switched roles, you probably wouldn’t of heard of either them. Sting wouldn’t have been taught in the WWF and the Warrior wouldn’t listen to advice. Sting might’ve been lucky and Dusty might’ve picked up the discarded Sting from WWF. Then Sting could’ve been taught how to be a superstar. I agree with assessment from The Self Destruction of The Ultimate Warrior, if you take away Warriors theme music and his running to the ring. He wouldn’t have had a career. Warrior wouldn’t have been the one to beat The Honky Tonk Man for the IC Title and have the rocket strapped to his back. I just don’t buy Sting in that roll of having his music blasted, running to the ring and bouncing around the ring like a madman to get himself noticed
I love ya Dutch and their feud was very underwhelming but Luger was always a heel when they worked each other.
I remember sting with gilbert and rick Steiner when rick was called Rob Richsteiner
Hogan vs warrior was huge success in 1990 ,
No, the previous Wrestlemania did far better business and Warrior run as champ was hurt because he beat Hogan, Hulk went on to easily outdraw Warrior on seperate house shows that year.
How if in wrestlemania 5 was un small trump plaza with only 20 k people in attendance and wrestlemania 6 was in the sky dome with 67 k people in attendance..
@@markant9534Funny that because the year after Ultimate Warrior and Undertaker out drew Hogan and Slaughter by miles
Look at his tna run - sting tweeked his character to become joker sting
Warrior vs Hogan is one of the greatest matches ever and it’s face vs face.
Bret v Shawn WM 12 also.
this is like the 2nd or 3rd time you guys have uploaded this story
Exactly. They just keep recycling the same clips for clicks
I thought the same thing
For the new subscribers that come in.
I liked surfer sting as a kid but wasn't really a fan of anything he did post 96. He phoned everything after that, especially in TNA.
Jake Roberts in a shoot interview with Hannibal called Sting "lazy"
J.J Dillion said the same thing
Idk if Sting came up with surfer Sting, but i doubt itd be hard to get over in the 80s being jacked up with a platinum blonde buzz cut, colorful tights & boots, and face paint. 🤷♂️
They only ha 2 matches luger vs sting on tv ever. Up until 1992 when lex left
Sting and the ultimate warriors were green body builders warrior wa a poor man`s Sting, they both started as a really green tag team called the Blade Runners.
Sting vs Luger was gr8. He got over because his look and beating flair and later Hogan. Which that match was sabotaged by Hogan..I think anyway
So was Bret taking a break from WWE/contract running out after WM 12 how they were able to navigate Bret vs. Shawn as well as they did? Remember this was before Austin won KotR & Austin & Bret were paired up when Bret resigned & came back.
Surfer sting was created by Steve Borden
Ric Flair stole Buddy Rogers's identity and got himself over with it and made his name.
No one would have known who Ric Flair was if he hadn't stolen The Nature Boy gimmick from Buddy Rogers.
They both went to UWF. Wrestled for a short time. Then Warrior started his crap. No showed and tried to get Sting to do the same. Sting has a lengthy interview on this.
I liked other wrestlers better. He was ok but I never cheered for him. Met him at wrestlecade. Wasn’t the friendliest guy I’ve ever met.
I would take it that Sting might not cut a goodpromo.
They talking 1988 1989 sting he was still new only got in wrestling in1985
True but he got three years in, by then he had A basic understanding of the sport and wasn't A rookie anymore.
Let's talk about how bad Hogan sucked. The NWO was the best thing that ever happened to him. It got the fans away from the same old match that a 5 year old could do. Nothing wrong with Sting.
As far as flair goes every green guy needs someone to put him over
I disagree sting did get over on his own
We all have to learn from someone.
Duyutch is jealous. He was a nothing in the ring.
Exactly
Ain't that how most guys get over, by being coachable?
The blade runners were his and warriors idea
Both went to midsouth warrior left because sting went to work a match went warrior in bill watts had words warrior wasn't a push over like sting
Sting wanted to learn, and he did under "Hotstuff" Eddie Gilbert. Warrior, well he was who he was. Luckily for him Fritz & Vince could work with that.
Sting is like top sirloin steak... overrated... but the sauce can make it much more appealing and taste good! 💯🤔
This guy should book life for people. His understanding of who is what is on another level... His own.
I grew up on Mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling. Sorry everyone, Flair and the Minnesota Wrecking Crew are still the best ever, formative environment and all. Bring back the Thunderfoot gimmick, thank you.
Sure Sting had the Muscle Beach look. So did Luger. But isn't that what this is about, at least partly? What about Hogan? To say someone else carried someone else is, in this business, often perceived as an insult. Again, it takes at least TWO to have a great or even good match. Flair had the experience. It isn't surprising he called their matches. Flair didn't call Harley Race's matches did he? Flair put alot of work into his gimmick and I completely agree that a good heel takes much more work to master than a good face. Flair's character was not completely his own and was patterned after Buddy Rogers and even Gorgeous George. He could do it better than anyone else. Still thinks he can (lol). Sting could never make any other gimmick work other than the early colorful Beach gimmick and later the Crow like gimmick, both face gimmicks. Chasing Flair was the angle. Flair holding the belt and all the other top faces, which Luger also became a part of after his Horseman run, chasing him. Sting was a part of that. So was Ronnie Garvin, Ricky Steamboat, Ricky Morton, Dusty Rhodes, Magnum TA, anyone else that came along. Good podcast with Dutch.
I mean, Sting's promo skills were nothing to speak of. Surfer Sting praised the little stingers and challenged the heels. Crow Sting pointed a bat.
Everything i've read about Sting, it seems like a series of lucking into something.
Well luck and also being extremely likable and charismatic. Seriously you can be terrible employee but if your coworkers and boss likes you as a person they'll overlook most of the shit you do. Think about the fact that it was the Outsiders who gave Sting the crow idea and than try to remember any other time they did something for anyone that didn't also benefit them or one of their close friends
@@emanuelmartinez7267 cant teach charisma, look at Roman lol
I'm not sure if it was really all luck, but Warrior was definitely all luck. 😐🤔
@@gregorylevi1826 Bullshit... Warrior had charisma, His gimmick was better than anything Sting done in my eye's...
@𝓓𝓮𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓜𝓬 there was nothing charming about Warrior. He was nothing but A bodybuilder who was lucky Vince was in the wrestling business. Sting had way more longevity than he did.
I always hated the stupid Crow gimmick. I liked sting better when he first came out. He was so energetic and to me was good in the ring
Crickets means Dead silence? No reaction? 🤔
Yes, people are so quiet, you can hear the crickets outside of the building.
Gym rats that broke in together but Warrior had no cardio and Sting could go, guess Warrior skipped the cardio workouts..
Sting was a bad wrestler for the majority of his career that got over due to some of the greatest minds in wrestling. Flair, Hall, Hogan. The smarks love to rewrite history though.
Hogan didn't help stinat all if anything he tried to sabotage him at starcade with that god awful finish
Sting was a good worker but not the greatest technical wrestler but flair brought out the best in sting.
I love Dirty Dutch but he talks in circles here. On the one hand, Ric Flair carried Sting...blah, blah,blah, then he followes that up with how heels should always run the matches. Circular logic folks
I want Dutch to come out of retirement to defeat plumber Moxley for AEW championship
Totally agree with Dutch and have always felt that way about Sting, Luger and a lot of the big muscle heads Flair faced. And I think Flair loved working with those guys because it secured his spot because they could not take his place.
Everyone gets over with other people’s ideas *apart from Steve Austin & the rock*
Along with Hulk Hogan, Junkyard Dog, & Andre The Giant.
He didn't lie. Stop being so freaking sensitive
Flair made him /Nwo kept him hot/ TNA was meh/WWE didn’t have a clue great charisma and athleticism but other than that idk and I’m a Sting fan but facts can’t be overlooked
NWO kept him hot 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣get your facts right 😂
Ok after the terrible British wrestlers list. If sting didn't get over without someone elses idea then no one in wwf got over because Vince had to approve everything. And yet another person giving flair to much credit.
Flair is getting all the credit because he deserved it. Flair had to call all the shots cause Sting didn't know what he was doing so Flair had to always lead.
Look at Hogan. He ripped off billy graham so there is no such thing as originallity in pro wrestling
Anybody who has a problem with what Dutch says can get The MX!
Not a sting fan, or sting hater. Just found him kind of boring. How did he get over? He looked good and it's obvious somebody new how to push him. He didn't give a good interview, his woooooo....... seem like a pale imitation of Ric Flair.
And his wrestling was not very exciting.
Sting and Lex Luger 2 Mega Stars that were incredibly untalented and boring to watch.
It would have been fun to hate him, or fun to like him, BUT just boring 😴
Sting matches again Vader & "Ravishing" Rick Rude were good.
If it wasn’t for heels I would of never cared about wrestling. HHH carried WWE for a good decade. The heels do the cool shit. Sting I never got into. I felt bad when rollins ended his career for a while. But sting is clearly not the sting he was in the 90s and AEW milks the shit out of him still
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Sting had the misfortune of not being an original who couldn't pass other gimmick holders. A.K.A Nature Boy Ric Flair Wooooo.
I couldn't agree more. His makeup was very similar to warriors and would change color or facepaint design but it stayed the same general shap luke warrior minius the rounded off triangle on the forhead. Then he rips off the crow then later on he rips off the joker.
That's just his look.
Bot gonna lie, I always felt he was a little overrated.
Well yeah they use to be tag team partners so I can understand their facepaint being similar still after they split up. But they both copied their facepaint from "The Legion Of Doom" The Rode Warriors.
Sting is overrated
Sting was overrated. Like Brett Hart.
You must not like your wrestling to look realistic
I don’t know who Brett Hart is but Bret Hart was amazing.
You mean Barry Horowitz who went by Brett Hart in Florida Championship Wrestling?
You know fuck all about wrestling pal. Bret was the real McCoy and the only area he lacked a little was his promo when baby face.
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