Hi Esther! I've been watching your videos and they've really helped, Thanks a lot. I have a question though, I'm planning to apply to Berea this year but I'm afraid my waec isn't good enough. I had 6-C's, 2-B's and 1-A but I was almost a straight A student in high school. Would you advise I go on with the application despite my waec result?
Please for the acadamic transcripts do they need the ones which have been accessed by the US educational board or you can send them directly from your files?
they have changed th new format, apparently you have to submit before submitting the needed documents. oh and there is also no ´submit´ button when u fifnish uploading everything... its pretty confusing honestly
Esther, Please, I SINCERELY HOPE YOU SEE THIS COS I'VE GOT NO ONE TO ASK THIS DISTURBING QUESTION! I'm in the same situation as you - I hold a National Diploma 🇳🇬 (a 2-year Program), should I state this in my application (having earned college credits) or just use my High School Qualification "ONLY"?
Hello Esther ,I'm so glad I found ur page. I plan on applying to berea for fall 2023. I would really love ur help on my journey. Can u be my mentor please. I know u have a busy life too,I just need someone that has pass through the system to communicate any questions I have..I hope to get a reply on how to reach out. Thanks
Hello Favour, I’m sorry I won’t be able to take any mentees at the moment. Everything I provide on my channel will help you with your application. Feel free to send me questions on IG and I will do my best to respond whenever possible. Goodluck!
Hi Esther! Actually I have 2 questions. My first question is the following: For the translation of our school exam results, how do we proceed if we come from a French speaking country? And the second is: Is it an obligation to have our translated high school exams certified by our high school teachers? I definitely need your answer 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼!
Hi! You have to translate any non-English documents. You can seek translation services in your country. Also, yes, your certificates need to be certified as true copies by your school or a notary. Goodluck x
Heyy Esther, the International Admission form that appears on the Berea site at the start of your video... where can I get that form? Thankssss your videos are really helping me with my application process ❤🥰🤩
Hello! The form can be accessed through the Berea College Intl admission website www.berea.edu/admissions/application/ Everything you need to apply is there. And it’s my pleasure to be of help 😊
@@EstherOlabisi Hii Esther! Thanks a lot for the reply! I also have doubts regarding the format in wich my teachers have to make the recommendation letters, and if they create the coalition account as a teacher, they just upload it there for me? Sorry if its too much to ask, but could you check how my teachers would do it?
@@juliastoffel6784 Yes, your teacher uploads it for you. They just need to create an account and will be prompted on how to proceed. Otherwise, you can give them the provided recommendation form and upload it yourself
Sorry, if I am asking a lot of questions. But I really am confused about quiet a few things. The part where we have to say if we have a sponsor or not. You said if you're doing everything by yourself then you don't have to put yes. Now I'm doing everything by myself, but little amount of money my parents can provide they'll give. So the sponsor is for the money right? So should I put yes in that case?
If you’re doing most of it by yourself, I don’t think you need to include anyone else. However, if they’re contributing a significant amount e.g paying your deposit for you, then you should list them
I didn't take any English proficiency test but media of education is English in my country. To keep the deadline for application, can I apply with out the test score? if so, what are the steps?
About the IELTS part. What do they mean by highest listening or speaking score? Like aren't we suppose to put it in the official score we got ? Do highest mean something else?
It initially asks for your highest TOTAL score before the other specific sections. And it means highest assuming you have done the English test more than once. I hope this helps.
No the compilation of your secondary school results from JS1-SS3 or maybe you can just submit from SS1-SS3. You can upload only your Waec but to get a better chance at getting it, I'd advise you take the SAT exam and aim for at least 1250. Your essay should be really really good too
Hello ;) Can I ask you about Berea’s financial resources confirmation form? I’m confused about the line “additional insight to confirm low socioeconomic status”🤯 what should my counselor write there? Will be really grateful for response🙏🏻
Hello, so I checked the older form and realized that the section you mentioned was not included at the the time. What I would suggest is that the person should write any other information that they want to say about your financial situation (besides the specific information requested in the first 3 parts). The top three sections are limited to sources of income and barriers to higher ed so they might have something else to say about other problems they noticed that reflect a low status. It could literally be anything. Like if they’re your teacher, they can say something about how they noticed that you didn’t have certain things you needed in school, stuff like that. That’s just an example, would differ for everyone. Hope it helps!
Hey Esther, thank you so much for a detailed video. I have a question in the official documents, what happens if I don't have a school counselor to send the documents on my behalf? I graduated from high school a while back and i don't have access to my old teachers or counselor but i have the transcripts and recommendation letters. How can I tackle this? Please help
Hi! Good question. You can check out timestamp 37:12 of this video under which we’re commenting. There’s actually a field for you to upload your recommendations + transcript. Goodluck! 💕
Hi. I have a complicated question. So in the high school section. I attended one school from class 9-10 and another school from class 11-12. So for the attending date and finishing date should I put down for the class 11-12 Which is essentially 2 years.
Hello, Esther. I hope you are fine, I appreciate what you are doing. I have a little confusion, is the academic transcript the same as the school testimonial?. I don't know I'm a little confused here.
Hi, they’re different. A transcript is a record of your results throughout high school. A testimonial would not include that. You can add your testimonial under additional documents though
Hi Esther, I am confused about the optional recommendation in pdf form, its necessary to upload it??? I have done with online recommendations. Please guide me
@@EstherOlabisi Thanks for your response, if you do not mind. I am in doubt about access to higher education(in financial confirmation form) what should my admission counselor opt option for me?
@@EstherOlabisi I will submit it tomorrow please assist me. I am in doubt about access to higher education(in financial confirmation form) what should my admission counselor opt option for me? Need your help🙏
Hello Esther I have been meaning to ask you please at the time you applied to the college from Nigeria which of the certificate did you use as your transcript, as some school down here don't give transcripts
Hi! My high school provided transcripts so I was able to get mine from them. I would suggest trying to reach out to your school to see how to make it work! Otherwise, you could ask the Berea admission office about using your WAEC only.
Hello, Good evening from here Esther, I'm writing to you regarding our last conversation about me using my waec as my transcript. I have done what you asked me to do but i wasn't responded too. Please🙏🙏🙏 could you help me.
How can I submit essay and other documents? Can I submi through online portal? I just heard that international students must submit all the supporting documents through post office and there is no online process.
My personal locker is different from my Berea locker cause I picked ( I didn’t attend any college ) but in the Berea college it was showing (attended 2 years )
@@EstherOlabisi when you school gives you school visa and we all know that you are going to leave after you graduate. Can you still stay there even after graduating?
Do you mean remain in the States? Yes, international students are allowed to apply for one year OPT post graduation. STEM grads can get 2 additional years
One question about stating the other colleges I apply to. If I don't write any other name ( but I'm actually applying to a few other colleges) will they be notified by coalition app in some way or will they get to know about it any other way? Because at the same time I don't want to look like I'm lying about it if they are in anyway able to find out about it. Would be really grateful if you know something about it.
Hello, I do not have the perfect answer since I am not a college official. However, based on information known to the general public, no, they will not know colleges you apply to 😊
Hii, I want to ask can my teacher submit the written lor without the berea form Also, can i send the financial form edited via computer and signature with written hand
Yes, you can submit that lor but I strongly suggest using the Berea one if possible/in addition to the other. Yes, you can submit forms edited via pc & hand-signed
Hi! You can print it and ask the person to fill it out, return it to you, and then you scan it onto the application portal. Or, you can enter their email address in the portal so that the person receives the recommendation form to fill it online. This way, you wouldn’t need to print. Goodluck! 💕
Hello..No, Berea pretty much works with what your country requires of you. So as long as you graduated high school, it wouldn’t matter if you didn’t do math. You might need to take one or two basic math classes for certain courses when you come (even though you want to pursue Arts) but if you don’t take any of such classes, you will be fine.
can i still apply for berea college even if i did not yet taken the ielts test? im planning to take the test next month. will my application go through
Officially, you need to have all your documents sent at once. However, Berea can be flexible sometimes so you can reach out to the college’s admission office; they might grant you an exception.
I do not have a specific response to that; you would have to email Berea. However, I would like to think that it is refundable; I don’t see how it would be okay for them to keep it.
@@EstherOlabisi really appreciate this community you've garnered here on TH-cam. You reply to comments and try and help anyway u can. I really appreciate. You've seen me through my applications and at this point I'm ready to submit. Submitting both sat,duolingo etc. Hoping for the best thanks
Hey, in the honor and distinction part. Is the distinction in like extra curricular activities or can I mention if I got like 98 out of 100 in maths or things like that?
It could be academic or extra curricular honors/distinctions. But you must have been recognized for it in any form maybe via an award or verbal/public recognition. So it’s not just getting a good grade although that is nice - there has to be a form of official recognition for that achievement. Maybe top 10% in class, best student in a subject, most hardworking student leader, etc, stuff like that. Note that something like a high GPA can be listed without any specific award so that can be included
Hello Esther I am confused regarding the 12th grade coursework? Our education system in ghana is same as Nigeria. Am I supposed to input all my grades from form 1, first, second and third term Form 2 and form 3? Does the 1st trimester means first term or the whole of form 1?
Hello, 12th grade is the last senior high school year only. Each of the three terms is a trimester so three terms/year = three trimesters/ year. My video going over the Berea application form explains all of that so I advise you to check it out. Thanks!
@@orlandocastoperlitas9413 your high school records/transcript during the application must be official copies (certified by school officials or notarized) and your bank statement is pretty much from the bank so yeah they don’t ask for it once you’ve submitted them during your application
Hello Esther..really nice work you doing,putting us through and all..can you pls drop any of your social media handles or email address..would like to ask u some more questions if thats alright with you..thanks
Hello Esther, please can you make another video about steps on how to apply with the new application format..I would be very gratefull🙏
@Estherolabisi thank for the information you provided in this video even in 2024 it was so helpful for me to apply to berea collage
Waiting for you to make video about financial form, 10 days left until deadline
Hi Esther! I've been watching your videos and they've really helped, Thanks a lot. I have a question though, I'm planning to apply to Berea this year but I'm afraid my waec isn't good enough. I had 6-C's, 2-B's and 1-A but I was almost a straight A student in high school. Would you advise I go on with the application despite my waec result?
Thank you for this video. It was very informative🌝🌝😊
Glad it was, you’re welcome!
The financial resources confirmation form is about what
Please for the acadamic transcripts do they need the ones which have been accessed by the US educational board or you can send them directly from your files?
You can send them directly. Hope this helps
they have changed th new format, apparently you have to submit before submitting the needed documents. oh and there is also no ´submit´ button when u fifnish uploading everything... its pretty confusing honestly
Esther, Please, I SINCERELY HOPE YOU SEE THIS COS I'VE GOT NO ONE TO ASK THIS DISTURBING QUESTION! I'm in the same situation as you - I hold a National Diploma 🇳🇬 (a 2-year Program), should I state this in my application (having earned college credits) or just use my High School Qualification "ONLY"?
Hello Esther ,I'm so glad I found ur page. I plan on applying to berea for fall 2023. I would really love ur help on my journey. Can u be my mentor please. I know u have a busy life too,I just need someone that has pass through the system to communicate any questions I have..I hope to get a reply on how to reach out. Thanks
Hello Favour, I’m sorry I won’t be able to take any mentees at the moment. Everything I provide on my channel will help you with your application. Feel free to send me questions on IG and I will do my best to respond whenever possible.
Goodluck!
Am also applying for fall 2023 it would be great if we could help each other out . What country are you from
@@juliadavids8053 I'm from Nigeria
Yeah, sure. Wbu?
Hey, do international students have to be US citizens because the application is asking for FAFSA; and FAFSA is only for US citizens
Thank youuuu 💃🏾
My pleasure! 💕
Hi Esther! Actually I have 2 questions. My first question is the following: For the translation of our school exam results, how do we proceed if we come from a French speaking country? And the second is: Is it an obligation to have our translated high school exams certified by our high school teachers? I definitely need your answer 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼!
Hi! You have to translate any non-English documents. You can seek translation services in your country.
Also, yes, your certificates need to be certified as true copies by your school or a notary. Goodluck x
hello, esther! do my teachers have to be logged in/a part of the admissions network to receive my request for recommendation?
Heyy Esther, the International Admission form that appears on the Berea site at the start of your video... where can I get that form? Thankssss your videos are really helping me with my application process ❤🥰🤩
Hello! The form can be accessed through the Berea College Intl admission website www.berea.edu/admissions/application/
Everything you need to apply is there. And it’s my pleasure to be of help 😊
@@EstherOlabisi Hii Esther! Thanks a lot for the reply!
I also have doubts regarding the format in wich my teachers have to make the recommendation letters, and if they create the coalition account as a teacher, they just upload it there for me? Sorry if its too much to ask, but could you check how my teachers would do it?
@@juliastoffel6784 Yes, your teacher uploads it for you. They just need to create an account and will be prompted on how to proceed. Otherwise, you can give them the provided recommendation form and upload it yourself
Please can you apply it for me?
Sorry, if I am asking a lot of questions. But I really am confused about quiet a few things. The part where we have to say if we have a sponsor or not. You said if you're doing everything by yourself then you don't have to put yes. Now I'm doing everything by myself, but little amount of money my parents can provide they'll give. So the sponsor is for the money right? So should I put yes in that case?
If you’re doing most of it by yourself, I don’t think you need to include anyone else. However, if they’re contributing a significant amount e.g paying your deposit for you, then you should list them
Hello Esther… thank you so much. Please how do I apply since the apply button is not yet out for this year.
Hello, I applied for the early decision but haven’t received any reply yet, so was I disqualified or I wait?
I didn't take any English proficiency test but media of education is English in my country. To keep the deadline for application, can I apply with out the test score? if so, what are the steps?
Can i get waiver for the English proficiency because i don't have the test scores 😢
About the IELTS part. What do they mean by highest listening or speaking score? Like aren't we suppose to put it in the official score we got ? Do highest mean something else?
It initially asks for your highest TOTAL score before the other specific sections. And it means highest assuming you have done the English test more than once.
I hope this helps.
Can I ask if I only need waec or should I upload my junior waec too and please the transcript you are talking about is it waec transcript
No the compilation of your secondary school results from JS1-SS3 or maybe you can just submit from SS1-SS3. You can upload only your Waec but to get a better chance at getting it, I'd advise you take the SAT exam and aim for at least 1250. Your essay should be really really good too
Hello ;)
Can I ask you about Berea’s financial resources confirmation form?
I’m confused about the line “additional insight to confirm low socioeconomic status”🤯 what should my counselor write there?
Will be really grateful for response🙏🏻
Hello, so I checked the older form and realized that the section you mentioned was not included at the the time. What I would suggest is that the person should write any other information that they want to say about your financial situation (besides the specific information requested in the first 3 parts). The top three sections are limited to sources of income and barriers to higher ed so they might have something else to say about other problems they noticed that reflect a low status. It could literally be anything. Like if they’re your teacher, they can say something about how they noticed that you didn’t have certain things you needed in school, stuff like that. That’s just an example, would differ for everyone.
Hope it helps!
@@EstherOlabisi Is applying online still on, got a mail from the admission office saying I need to mail it to their physical address.
Hey Esther, thank you so much for a detailed video. I have a question in the official documents, what happens if I don't have a school counselor to send the documents on my behalf? I graduated from high school a while back and i don't have access to my old teachers or counselor but i have the transcripts and recommendation letters. How can I tackle this? Please help
Hi! Good question. You can check out timestamp 37:12 of this video under which we’re commenting. There’s actually a field for you to upload your recommendations + transcript. Goodluck! 💕
Thanks
Is The financial form can be filled up by handwriting ?
Yes, doesn’t have to be with a computer ☺️
Hi. I have a complicated question. So in the high school section. I attended one school from class 9-10 and another school from class 11-12. So for the attending date and finishing date should I put down for the class 11-12 Which is essentially 2 years.
You should still separate them, is it not allowing you to do that?
Hello, Esther. I hope you are fine, I appreciate what you are doing. I have a little confusion, is the academic transcript the same as the school testimonial?. I don't know I'm a little confused here.
Hi, they’re different. A transcript is a record of your results throughout high school. A testimonial would not include that. You can add your testimonial under additional documents though
@@EstherOlabisi thank you so much. That means it's all my report cards, right
Please is the school report waec results or transcript
Hi Esther , how we can fill that financial resources confirmation form ? Whom do we need to get it filled?
Hello, my newest video addresses that. Also, you can use anyone you want like your teacher, religious leader, counselor etc…as the form suggests 💕
Hi Esther, I am confused about the optional recommendation in pdf form, its necessary to upload it??? I have done with online recommendations. Please guide me
Hi! No, the pdf option is for any additional recommendations or if you were unable to use the online option
@@EstherOlabisi Thanks for your response, if you do not mind. I am in doubt about access to higher education(in financial confirmation form) what should my admission counselor opt option for me?
@@EstherOlabisi I will submit it tomorrow please assist me. I am in doubt about access to higher education(in financial confirmation form) what should my admission counselor opt option for me?
Need your help🙏
Hello Esther , what if my parents doesn’t have any property will that matter when applying
Not at all, doesn’t matter 😊
Hello Esther
I have been meaning to ask you please at the time you applied to the college from Nigeria which of the certificate did you use as your transcript, as some school down here don't give transcripts
Hi! My high school provided transcripts so I was able to get mine from them. I would suggest trying to reach out to your school to see how to make it work! Otherwise, you could ask the Berea admission office about using your WAEC only.
Thank you so much
Please can you tell or send me a link to get to them please 🙏🙏🙏
You’re welcome. You can Google the Berea admission team’s information 😊
God bless you for your assistance
Thanks I'll do just that
Hello,
Good evening from here Esther, I'm writing to you regarding our last conversation about me using my waec as my transcript. I have done what you asked me to do but i wasn't responded too. Please🙏🙏🙏 could you help me.
How can I submit essay and other documents? Can I submi through online portal? I just heard that international students must submit all the supporting documents through post office and there is no online process.
Hello, everything should be submitted online as in this video. The post office process was used in the past, not anymore.
Do i upload a picture of my printed waec result and transcript with recommendation form and letters
You need a certified copy of your WAEC, not just a printed copy.
Then yes, you will upload scans/photos of those documents to the right sections
My personal locker is different from my Berea locker cause I picked ( I didn’t attend any college ) but in the Berea college it was showing (attended 2 years )
Hi! In case you still need help with this, I would suggest going back to the selected options for Berea to select the right option. Good luck!
@@EstherOlabisi when you school gives you school visa and we all know that you are going to leave after you graduate. Can you still stay there even after graduating?
Do you mean remain in the States? Yes, international students are allowed to apply for one year OPT post graduation. STEM grads can get 2 additional years
@@EstherOlabisi yes remain in the states
@@ashleyereyemi6860 gotcha…my response above applies. I plan to make videos discussing post-graduation subjects so stay tuned 😊
One question about stating the other colleges I apply to. If I don't write any other name ( but I'm actually applying to a few other colleges) will they be notified by coalition app in some way or will they get to know about it any other way? Because at the same time I don't want to look like I'm lying about it if they are in anyway able to find out about it. Would be really grateful if you know something about it.
Hello, I do not have the perfect answer since I am not a college official. However, based on information known to the general public, no, they will not know colleges you apply to 😊
How can i pass U S cosulate interview?
Still waiting for your video about financial form)
Hii, I want to ask can my teacher submit the written lor without the berea form
Also, can i send the financial form edited via computer and signature with written hand
Yes, you can submit that lor but I strongly suggest using the Berea one if possible/in addition to the other.
Yes, you can submit forms edited via pc & hand-signed
@@EstherOlabisi thank you for your reply, unfortunately i got a rejection from berea college😔
Which IELTS exam should I go for?
Academic, goodluck!
Please for the academic recommendation request is it okay to add your own email?
Or its better to add that of your school counselor
Definitely your counselor’s. There’s no point putting yours, goodluck!
thanks🙏🙏
hey Esther
pls did you confirm whether Berra college require coalition essay?
Hi! Sorry I was unable to confirm with anyone but I doubt they require it
About the IELTS
Is it optional.
Can it be skipped during application.
Only if you have the SAT. Otherwise, you must submit an English test
But what if English is your first language
Still required. It’s on the school’s website
Is adding my waec compulsory
How can i add it
Hi, yes it is. You can add it under transcripts as seen in this video
Pls the recommendation letter i already asked it from my am I going to print this Berea college I don't understand that part pls
Hi! You can print it and ask the person to fill it out, return it to you, and then you scan it onto the application portal.
Or, you can enter their email address in the portal so that the person receives the recommendation form to fill it online. This way, you wouldn’t need to print.
Goodluck! 💕
@@EstherOlabisi thank you very much
Hello does Berea College require maths for every student or for students wanting to pursue Arts programs?
Hello..No, Berea pretty much works with what your country requires of you. So as long as you graduated high school, it wouldn’t matter if you didn’t do math. You might need to take one or two basic math classes for certain courses when you come (even though you want to pursue Arts) but if you don’t take any of such classes, you will be fine.
@@EstherOlabisi Thanks so much Esther!
Is Duolingo advisable for international student?
I’ve never taken the exam but if you’ve prepared and practiced, I don’t see why not! 😊
please quick question, regarding the school transcript will it be combination of jss1-ss3 subjects or waec results? Please this is urgent 🥺
Hello, I used SS1-3 results + WAEC. Hope this helps!
@@EstherOlabisi Only?
No junior class results?🤲
Thanks for this
I gat one question
Must my transcript Start from JSS1 to SS3
I have JSS2 to SS2
That’s still ok. You should have SS3 too except you haven’t graduated when you’re applying…which you must make clear. Goodluck x
can i still apply for berea college even if i did not yet taken the ielts test? im planning to take the test next month. will my application go through
Officially, you need to have all your documents sent at once. However, Berea can be flexible sometimes so you can reach out to the college’s admission office; they might grant you an exception.
Hi, Esther. Where can I contact the admission office? Is there an email where I can explain my situation with pending test scores?
@@josuehr6473 yes, you can try the email here, under admissions www.berea.edu/directory/
@@EstherOlabisi I really appreciate it, God bless you :)
After acceptance Before visa interview. Is the 2250$ fee non refundable?
I do not have a specific response to that; you would have to email Berea. However, I would like to think that it is refundable; I don’t see how it would be okay for them to keep it.
@@EstherOlabisi really appreciate this community you've garnered here on TH-cam. You reply to comments and try and help anyway u can. I really appreciate. You've seen me through my applications and at this point I'm ready to submit. Submitting both sat,duolingo etc. Hoping for the best thanks
Were you accepted dear
can you apply in Berea if you have a diploma from your country?
If your diploma is a bachelor’s degree, you can’t
Is application portal open now?
Yes it is, you can check the school’s website for deadlines
Can i apply with my mobile phone?
I don’t think you’ll be able to easily navigate the website that way. If you can, then it’s up to you. Goodluck!
@@EstherOlabisi thank you
Hey, in the honor and distinction part. Is the distinction in like extra curricular activities or can I mention if I got like 98 out of 100 in maths or things like that?
It could be academic or extra curricular honors/distinctions. But you must have been recognized for it in any form maybe via an award or verbal/public recognition.
So it’s not just getting a good grade although that is nice - there has to be a form of official recognition for that achievement.
Maybe top 10% in class, best student in a subject, most hardworking student leader, etc, stuff like that. Note that something like a high GPA can be listed without any specific award so that can be included
Hello Esther I am confused regarding the 12th grade coursework? Our education system in ghana is same as Nigeria.
Am I supposed to input all my grades from form 1, first, second and third term
Form 2 and form 3?
Does the 1st trimester means first term or the whole of form 1?
Hello, 12th grade is the last senior high school year only. Each of the three terms is a trimester so three terms/year = three trimesters/ year.
My video going over the Berea application form explains all of that so I advise you to check it out. Thanks!
And pls how can I talk to you personally
Hi! You can access my IG in my TH-cam “About” section, thanks! 💕
Can I apply at 17 years
Yes!
Cam you apply for someone because my laptop is not responding I don't know why
Hi, I’m sorry but I will not be able to do so. You can visit a cyber cafe to fill out the form…I hope it works out. Goodluck! 💕
Hi I have a question, does berea college requires others bank documents after you submit the application?
Nope
@@EstherOlabisi so like they don't ask any official high school transcript or bank statement. They rely only on the application?
@@orlandocastoperlitas9413 your high school records/transcript during the application must be official copies (certified by school officials or notarized) and your bank statement is pretty much from the bank so yeah they don’t ask for it once you’ve submitted them during your application
Hello Esther..really nice work you doing,putting us through and all..can you pls drop any of your social media handles or email address..would like to ask u some more questions if thats alright with you..thanks
Hello! You can check out my official Fb page and send me a message there, thanks! facebook.com/EstherOlabisiChannel/
Can I used my phone to register for it?
Navigating the website on a phone is not the best so I wouldn’t advise using a phone. But if you can make it work somehow, sure