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6:10 I don’t think the Avg Runs value in the sheet is correct though. You can’t just divide 100 by 0.98. There’s a lot of different math involved, but basically On average, you should enter about 70 times to have a better than 50% chance of winning at least once with a 0.98% chance of winning per attempt. Which is the ‘Avg Runs’ value. And to be 99.99% sure of winning at least once with a 0.98% chance per attempt, you should enter approximately 930 times.
*>Creates a double crit elemental damage piece.* *>Levels it up.* *>Rolls double defense stats.* *>All stat boosts go towards defense.* *>Has to wait months until I can do it again!*
Basically: * If it's bad, strongbox it * If it's got some OK rolls, level to 4 and transmute it if it's bad * If it's worth continuing, level it up and feed it to another artifact for exp if it rolls bad
@@_mako Its clearly easier to slot a 45cv feather than a 35 CV on set goblet. If the goblet is the off set piece you will probably get something like "35CV goblet + 35 cv forth piece" If the goblet is the on set you will maybe get "28CV on set + 45 CV off set" That's more stats
@@lafeechloe6998or if you have a 45 CV off set gob already, then you could just go for that. It just all depends on the context and what the worst artifact for that character is. If your gob is doodoo even though it’s already an off piece, then sure absolutely go for an on piece gob and test your luck, but if your time piece, or your circlet is the weakest link, and you already have a pretty good off set gob (42-45+ CV) then there’s no reason to keep gambling for an on set gob when it’s really realistically not gonna do much for your character, if anything it might downgrade your character if you try to force a mid on set goblet onto the character and trying to make that work.
i do you one better. Bu the time you got enough artifacts with this system to roll a decent one. Genshin 2 will probably be launched and half way through the whole story.
I genuinely think goblets costing 4 artifact fuel thingies are a bit too much considering the limitation they put on how often you can get those artifact potions
Yea.... I mean... How hard would it be to allow us ONE goblet every abyss / theater reset. I think thats reasonable. The current rate is too obnoxious.
Just use offset, never in my life i have problems with goblets. Crit dmg/rate head is more important. Always just use offset for goblet/head if you have any problems with finding any of it. And in 4 years i never farm art domains more than few weeks before getting full set that had mid stats and still dealing tons of dmg. People make big deal of artifacts, while the real problem is that they are just bad at understanding the game.
Considering the number of resources required to make a single Sanctifying Elixir, they should have allowed for an unlimited number to be extracted. Gating them to one per patch is a complete joke, as it allows for a single, negligible goblet (likely with bad sub-stat rolls) to be crafted once every six months.
@@CHICKENNUGGET69360 why 2 per patch? You’re purposely cucking yourself lol. It’s already expensive as it is. Either make it cheaper with time gate or make it expensive and remove the time gate.
I don’t know what were they thinking by making the elixir limited to 1 each 41 days bro that’s insane, so basically you have to wait for 6 months to build 1 goblet that might end up rolling HP or DEF… hoyo really need to wake up
@@babyjiren9676yes exactly. You can get 6 this patch and more in the future. It's not as bad as people make it out to be. It basically guarantees 1 potential good goblet per patch.
@@lycoreco5154people complain without even playing the game i swear half these comments havent even explored the new area yet and jump the conclusion.
@@lycoreco5154I mean, it is pretty bad. Having to sacrifice 25 different lv 4 artifacts when they could've been used as exp for upgrading different ones.
That momemt when you write sim app instead of probability theory calculus😎 While IRL/RNG results are sample based and personalised, so can be not a good source of statistics (like IRL coin is not close to 50% because it depends on how you hold it and force you apply in most cases). At first I thought it was coding integration ad😅
And then they will stop giving crowns, cause it will be too much and Da Wei will cry again. They put crows in shop for cost of 10 pulls, so there is a possibility they really gonna not give us them anymore btw.
1:26 those are obnoxious elixir costs especially with the level of gatekeeping Hoyoverse has put on the system. There should at least be an option where, say, I only want a Goblet with main stat EM, but don’t care about the substats - I should be able to craft said Goblet with less elixir cost. Having to collect & spend 4 elixirs if I only want main stat EM Goblet is just too heavy and time-consuming.
It's a little disengenous to say that 4 artifact crafting can replace 4 years of resin since you're not farming those pieces sequentially. In the year of farming it takes on average to find a double crit hydro goblet, you're also likely to find several other double crit damage goblets for other elements naturally. The 4 year math only works if you want 4 hydro damage goblets, which I think is less common than wanting damage goblets of other elements. The math also neglects the relevance of other valuable substats. I'm perfectly happy with a single crit substat if the other substats are a good combo of ER, EM, and Atk% (or whatever main stat), which makes it more common to find good pieces while farming and therefore less valuable to craft them. Overall I think the crafting system is great, but the rate of getting elixers is way way way too low. I think they could easily be 5-10 times more common. Especially with IT making it so that you're expected to build so many more characters.
I legit thought this crafting system was introduced due to the latest endgame mode (the imaginarium or whatever it was called) as a way to encourage players, especially newer ones. To catch up and be able to play the mode. But the rate of which you acquire the elixirs is so slow it doesn't make sense to me.
@@wksers_serks i have no idea why you would think that, imaginarium theatre is much more character quantity based rather than quality based, it woud help a lot more for the abyss, i for one managed to beat imaginarium theatre second season and almost season 1 too but never beat floor 12 of abyss
@@justanormalperson5909 You're actually right. I did forget about the abyss, and indeed this is more likely to help with the abyss. But if I think of it from that point of view (a system to help with the abyss struggle with pieces). then with the new reset time of the abyss I could see why would such a system be so scarce. But then again it does feel unnecessarily slow. a similar rate to the crowns would make more sense to me, at least that's my opinion.
Surprised that there were people angry since they were the sort to farm artifacts for perfect stats since this mechanic takes forever to farm anyway. Might as well just keep farming artifacts lol. But if they are mad enough then maybe Hoyo will drop some good stuff for everyone.
Lol, I have some pretty good EM main stat artifacts, but none of them are from the same set so I can't even meet the 2-piece set bonus. My Venti is always either on mixed artifacts with no set bonus or mid-tier 4-star VV set.
4 goblets in a year yes? Which can still roll all into flat stats yes it's DOGSHT Edit :One more thing just noticed I made mualani hydro on set double crit and was ready to make a double crit sands too but GUESS WHAT you can only make 1 piece of any set every patch(this is forked up beyond)
just use offset, stop making big deal of artiffacts, in 4 years never had any problems with it, just put anything with mid rolls and wipe all the content
Isn't it only 2 goblets in a year? You can get 1x elixir per patch (42 days). So, 4x elixirs (= 1 goblet) takes 168 days, 8 elixirs (= 2 goblets) takes 336 days. Unless I'm missing something. I would be overjoyed to be wrong lol and it's actually 4 goblets Edit: Oh you get some from permanent content nvm
Honestly, considering the amount of resources it takes to use the Transmuter, I feel like a good use for it would be to quickly bandaid any builds you're currently working on. Like it's a side hustle for artifacts and not the main source of them.
13:16, I already 100% Natlan this patch, let me share something that may be helpful (I will use the term SE: Sanctifying Elixir). 1. You can get 1 SE every 10 levels for leveling Tome in Natlan with Pyro sigils (total 50 levels, but the current patch max only level 20). 2. You can get 1 SE when opening each tribe's secret treasure (need a key made out of 3 pieces item from the chest when exploring Natlan, in the current patch there are 3 tribes, and there are 3 more to introduce). 3. Obviously, you get 1 from the 40 days/2 patch game. So, in the current patch, we can get 6 SE. Now, for what piece you choose, let me share some advice and experience, (especially if you're a new player, even if you're an end-game player but don't have a good piece): 1. Goblet: Focus on elemental DMG for your main DPS, there are 2 conditions: 1). If you already have a good goblet - from the right set or from another set - I recommend you don't use SE (I think it worth 2 timepieces). But 2). If you don't have a good goblet, it is worth it to choose a goblet (since you can save about 14k elixir). 2. Timepiece: Focus on either your main DPS or sub-DPS, there are 2 that are worth considering: ER & EM since their drop percentage is low. 1). ER (mainly for Sub-DPS), I think crit rate & dmg are worth it for many sub-DPS. 2). EM, is usually used for Dendro reaction and can be used by both main DPS or sub-DPS. But, you may watch carefully to choose substat a). Crit rate & damage or b). ER/ATK%/HP%, the decision back to your character. For ATK%, HP%, and DEF%, I think it's not worth it since you can get them in weeks and you can get them from the crafting bench. I don't recommend you spend resin on domains that don't have benefits for many characters, I think some domains are resin efficient, for example in Inazuma (Emblem & Shimenawa), Sumeru (Gilded & Deepwood), Fontaine (Mare & Golden Troupe), and new in Natlan. 3. Circlet, I really don't recommend this because it costs 3 SE, you select either crit rate or crit damage as your substat and vice versa for the main stat while the other stat is either ATK%/ER/EM/HP% (for EM main stat and 2 crit stat already explained in the video and only use in very specific things so also don't recommend). 4. (add) For specific characters like Kazuha or Sucrose that need EM in Timepiece, Goblet, and Circlet, you may consider it since the domain is not resin efficient and very gambling from the crafting bench (unless you're lucky like me XD). But, I recommend using it for something else (because you only need 4 pieces for the artifacts stat) 5. Finally, I advise you to 1). If you're a new player, just enjoy the story and the exploration, don't get rushed on artifacts; 2). If you're an end-game player, please wait for the right time, I mean you only get 1 SE in 40 days, meanwhile, in 40 days you can get around 400 5-star artifacts (5 domains/day) that may drop the piece you want. I personally will save it for later, because maybe in the future there will be some really useful characters, and if the artifact set is not resin efficient, then I will use it. Lastly, it's just a game bro, enjoy other activities, you get nothing when rush (especially when the roll is not crit >:D). Thank you :))
>be Mihoyo >makes a QoL that makes artifact have a certain main stat and 2 substats >nice >the last 2 hidden stats are def flat and def% >you leveled up this artifact to +20 >all went to def flat >???? >NICE
but if we dont have this update ..... as per the vids calculations, you need a year's grind to get 1 elemental goblet with double crit on the correct artifact set .. now imagine that rolling that out all into flat def .. with this update, at least for a year, you have 4 chances of rolling your correct set double crit elemental goblets to flat def/hp - compared to just 1 chance without this update
If they give domains a buff it would decrease the literal years people spend in them but nooooo we want our game to be grindy asf and take literal YEARS bc of RNG. Fk off Hoyo
The System had one purpose: Marketing. Make a shiny new system, that everybody wants, so that it get hiped and every TH-camr makes a video about it. But screw it up, like nearly every QoL feature, so that nobody gets an advantage/improvement out of it.
@@Fulldrag7802 More like Genshin sucks ass, the other 3 games aren't this shitty honestly, What a pain. This is why every hype qol i dont get excited anymore i know they will mess it up lol.
@@Mjaaaa24 lmao both of other game is even worse because you can't even use fucking off pieces and HSR still only chose the main stat and rng substat. Stfu
They still should at least put 4 in the free battle pass and 8 in the premium so we get like one artifact per patch. Also I think they should remove the limit on extraction cuz it's not like we can make them in an instant, still takes lots of effort (failed artifacts) to get to a point to make 4 elixirs
"Hoyoverse know what they are doing in terms of rewards and time spent" What? Are you kidding? Yeah, they know how to spit in our face with their "rewards and time spent". That's the most L take I've heard from IWtL
@@Forakus probabilities means shit unless you're lucky as fuck. you could have the ability chose 4 stats out of 4 and still get a shitty artifacts because every roll will be in a different stat. You as well as iwtlg are behing dishonest, because you know VERY WELL this system will do shit, unless those few people with broken luck.
@@Forakus bro when the hell did I say anything about probabilities? It doesn't change anything. Also, I have actually taught stochastics and probability at university, so I do, in fact, most likely know more about it than you.💀
I've already used this feature to create a feather (as an experimental test) for Emilie. And guess what? At level 0, I got HP% as the third stat, and then I got flat defense as the fourth stat by raising it to level 4... But it doesn't end there. In the end, after raising it to level 20, it ended up with a crit rate role, a crit dmg role, and 3 flat def roles. So yes, it's very disappointing the new feature, so don't get your hopes up too much even if you plan to save quite a few bottles.
@@MrGoodra17 Yeah, but even if on paper sounds good for all the time it saves (at least, from the IWtL calculations), even if you save like an entire year of resin, it can be wasted by a bad roles when upgrading. So yeah, still not a good/efficient way to improve your current builds. I think is better to use relicary function than destroying a lot of artifacts to get one bottle per month.
@@CrisProGameZelda bro, your problem is you only look at the unlucky side. Everyone knows how that feel to get a good piece just to roll all in flat def ,remember everyone also has good piece with god tier rolls too. I started to play in 1/1/2024 which mean its only 9months for me. I got great Dendro, Cryo, Geo and Anemo goblets but none Pyro, Hydro and i still think Electro goblets doesnt exist . My DPS are Neuvillette, Arlec and Clorinde which mean all the good goblets are useless (for now). This system literally allow me to complete the other 3 goblets i need. When that happens, i dont need to farm goblet anymore. Im sure old players have at least a dozen of good pieces, they just need to fill out sub DPS
@@CrisProGameZelda For mine I actually fed it potentially good artifacts screwed by rng so I didn't lose that much, plus there are and will most likely be more ways to obtain elixirs. So it's only bad at first glance imo and I still prefer this to the hsr one where it's only really useful for support pieces, like speed boots or cd bodies.
@@MrGoodra17 Just consider that even if you get 16 bottles for free, there's another restriction that allows you to create just one piece of every artifact set per version (6 weeks). So even if you can create 4 goblets, those should be from different artifacts sets unless you wait patiently 6 weeks to bring one by one of the same artifact set. That means you have to wait at least 6 months to get 4 pieces of one artifact set, and even with double crit subs, still is highly probably to role on mediocre subs at the end. So, not really a good improvement from the current grind tbh.
It's better than not having it all, but I think the system could be a lot better. Some ideas that I think would be better: Goblets cost 3 elixir 2 elixir in free BP, 2 in paid 3 Obtainable through gameplay per patch Have events sometimes give them 4 Stats by default or let us use an elixir on any artifact to guarantee a boost to a stat (which would still be costly with up to 5 per artifact which honestly I don't think would be broken especially if they keep similar rates of obtaining them) Another thing they could do is have us use an elixir to change the main stat of an artifact which would make those double crit healing bonus circlets feel better.
Good video! I'd add that for characters who want to maximize EM, besides kazuha and nahida, theres sucrose who shares 20% of her EM with the team, and also characters who can act as hyperbloom/burgeon triggers on teams where you build that specifically. So kuki, raiden, thoma are all good to stack EM on specific comps. Theres possibly other characters too who I'm just not familiar with enough to say, like heizou, cyno, sayu, alhaitam
Made a flower Crimson witch Picked crit rate and damage 3rd stat was atk% Lvl up 4th stat is hp% Biggest upgrade hutao had in 3 years 🎉 Edit: Lvl 8 and 12 went to crit dmg Lvl 16 and 20 went to hp% 3.1% crit rate 14% crit damage 10.5 atk% 16.9% hp Idk for you if its mid or not but the fact it doesn't have def% is a HUGE upgrade for me
this is pure insanity. We get absolutely scarce rare resource which is elixir and still we need to grind a ridiculous amount of time to use that which doesn't make any sense. It is just to make the game to be hard for a sake of being hard.
man, its just a scam, and idiots fall for it, its that simple. this is a very dishonest company it has always be and always will be, i stopped giving them any money months ago. Because i really could see no hope anymore. THIS was the chance for the to show that genshin CAN actually care about players, but they decided to spit in our face instead.
I personally think all artifacts should start out to cost one sanctifying elixir. With the option to choose if you want to focus substats which would increase the cost to two. HSR has this already and it only cost one for every relic you could get.
13:27 You can obtain more from overworld, each tribe can give 1 elixir, so rn we have 3 in the overworld, but obviously there are a total of 6tribes so it's expected to be 6 once future patches drops
@@thorn_again I think it does change the chart I'm just not sure how. All the main stat percentages on the left have add up to 100%. So if you add another stat roll; one or some or all the others % chance have to go down until it equals 100%
To clarify, the areas in Natlan where you can collect a Sanctifying Elixir for free all require you to collect three colored obsidian fragments to assemble a tribal bracelet (currently Yellow, Green, and Azure). Once assembled you can enter each tribe's Secret Space there will be a Sanctifying Elixir and five golden artifacts of both new sets. It's safe to say that more will be available in later patches
that changes nothing. its still a shitty system, even if they gave us 10 x patch because the delay on crafting them its absurdly long. rolling artifact is the REAL hard part of getting decent one, not finding them.
@WastedTalent83 yeah i have so many double cr crdmg sub stats, but the hardest part is actually got them increased, not getting them. almost 4 years of playing, and i only have two goblet that have 14%crit rate, 14% crit damage. That is why I resort to just single good value, like 16% crit rate, or 32% crit damage for the rest
@@hitsurei if only people understood that i don't talk out of my ass, i just talk about experience, and on these things i can never be wrong because i experienced it for YEARS. but they stll defend these shitty addiction without getting that mihoyo is just making fun of people.
@@WastedTalent83 Nah, these obviously should be used on goblets or in some rare cases, sands. Getting double crit pieces alone the usual way is too much trouble and rng still. Getting a guaranteed on set elemental goblet with double crit is already a massive improvement that removes a layer of rng from the game. It may not roll how you want it to roll in the end, but couple of rolls into crit (which is not particularly unlikely) and you're likely to get an upgrade. Removing the cap per patch would be absolutely godsend while farming the new artifact domain.
you get 3 more elixirs overworld but they're extremely cumbersome to collect basically run around and open every single precious and luxurious chests to randomly obtain 3 ring fragments for each tribe then you can craft them into the rings to unlock special rooms inside/near the tribes
@@cherish_xo well yeah you can do that, but it will take a long time if youre not actively opening every single chest in the region, i got most of the places to 75-80% completion before getting the elixirs, and as far as i know they aren't time gated
The chances for double crit dmg goblets is already cringe. i probably have like two good ones, the rest just have one crit and atk%. This makes is actually possible to guarantee those substats. The rest is up to rng. And besides, at that point, your other pieces should be amazing enough to not matter...
Note for newer players: I wouldnt recommend decide whichever one to craft just based on the resin/elixer. Since we only need 4-set and can have 1 off-set, people usually take the hardest one to find, i.e. double crit elemental dmg goblet as off-set (which is much more likely to obtain a good one across ALL sets). So if you want to push to the extreme of your character, sure you can pick double crit elemental dmg goblet, but for newer players that need more characters to be built as usable, crafting on-set circlet or timepiece could also be suitable. For me personally, my c2 nahida, I would use an offset EM+double crit Dendro goblet, and craft an onset double crit EM time piece (which takes FOREVER to get). The rest: flower (EM+double crit), feather (EM+double crit), and crit damage circlet (with EM+CR) are fairly easier to obtain onset by looking at the expectation runs.
@@sheikhgamer007 i got a hydro dmg goblet with crit rate and crit dmg. It rolled twice in crit rate, once in crit dmg and once in defense. Pretty good if u ask me 😋🙂↕️
i usually dont like videos (i have maybe 6 liked in total) but after hearing you spend an hour coding just to have estimated the correct percentage.. your dedication is unmatched. THANK YOU IWINTOLOSE😭
well.. when you have a army of people lickeing their ass and streamer, its easy to imagine this outcome really... Instead of criticizing a company in the hope that they will do better, they get compliment for shitting in your face.. go figure.
its important to notice that, bc you can have one off-piece, picking goblet isnt always the best choice at all. Say you have good on piece flower, feather, and circlet. You're lacking good options on ur timepiece and goblet as far as on piece go (typically, you'll have a kinda bad timepiece and awful goblet). However, lets say you have very good off pieces for both goblet and timepiece (which is a very common situation in my experience). In this situation, you could just create a good timepiece with the artifact transmuter, and use an off piece goblet. It might be just as good as transmuting a goblet and using an off piece sands. ==> The main advantage in this scenario is that your timepiece would cost you half the elixir that the goblet is costing you. If we didnt have offpieces (like in hsr for example), then yes, picking goblet almost everytime would be correct. But not in genshin !
Another piece of advice on using the Sanctifying Elixirs: don't use them on a set you haven't farmed for at least 2 months, because after 2 months, you begin seeing dimishing returns for most artifact sets The odds of getting a double crit goblet (or anything else) is the same throughout the whole process, so you should wait until you've gotten all of your other pieces before getting the one you need from the Elixir. If after 2 months you don't gave a good goblet, then use the elixir.
I swear to god they hyped us in the livestream about this thing, just later to discover that it has so much annoying and unnecessary limitation Like you can only make one artifact of a specific set in 1 Cycle, or that it will take you couple of months just to craft a Goblet? What a disappointment.
Figured they'd kneecap us somehow. Keep us mining away in domains and spending our resin and spending our primos to refill our resin and spending our money to refill our primos.
Nice y'all just discover how that works in star rail except you can't craft anything and choose any substats in it, it is hype, you are just delusional for thinking you would get every perfect artefact in 2 weeks... (And btw it will probably be in some event just like star rail so it's not bad at all)
I’d assume you play HSR, now picture the self modeling resin of the 2-4 we get PER PATCH, 40 days as well. selectors in HSR is also super limited and will average out for a player getting one good relic because these things are never guaranteed and always has been limited…
@@Violet-0 so you assume we get 0 with the new event in genshin ? They will let us with 1 every 40 days even tho they already did have them by exploration and more ? Crazy... I will take genshin everyday especially since you have something, modeling resin is only here to have a somewhat okay set for the time you farmed when a character release, i have 8 of them and they serve no other purpose for now
@@papiertoilette-pb9lf HSR has the clock things available in permanent methods, and you don't NEED them to make relics. You can make as many as you want, they just personalize the main stat. Genshin limits the amount you can make so much, for NO reason! If that clock is the only way you can use those dead relics, people would complain in HSR too! But it's not limited. But both have bad systems to be honest.
Honestly I think the mere fact that off-pieces exist scews the math. Like, I could have two chances for a perfect sands instead of going for one perfect goblet, and just use the goblet as the off piece. And since one still needs to win against the RNG when upgrading the artifact, it might potentially be more "worth it" to go for more pieces to highten the chances you get a good artifact, and just take the goblet off-piece.
I find it funny how these people are crying over an improvement 😂, meta slaves, just run decent artifacts heck it can be 50 crit rate and 160 crit dmg with a crit weapon and it can work well. As long as you have a good team comp with good talent levels you can easily 36 star abyss. Just takes time.
As a long time player with some 30-40cv elemental goblets, I will only use this item for two things: - Sands for older characters whose crit ratio I want to adjust, which cost only 2 elixir - Feather or flower of the new set for newer Natlan chars if I want to make them perform well quickly. Personally hoping that Mavuika will be Pyro off fielder and now I am farming her sub DPS set. I will only craft the double crit pieces when she is out, so I can consider which piece I should craft. If the remaining piece I haven't got is feather and I already got 30 cv sands and at least 20 cv substat circlet, then so be it, Imma craft double crit feather. It costs 1 elixir anyway As for circlet, you can only get 1 crit substat since 1 is already on mainstat, so it's easier to screw up upon level up. The risk is too high for 3 elixir, unless it's for characters that use set that gives lots of crit rate like MH, Blizzard strayer or Natlan new DPS set. I've got 30-40 cv goblets on each element, so I won't risk 4 elixir just to get 20 cv double crit goblets lol
I'm probably just going to hoard them like I did with crowns for a while. I'm now down to 3 or so crowns but I had a bunch just sitting around until recently. I see myself just holding the elixers until I have 20+ My goblets are crap but I still want to hold out... Still only got 2 pyro goblets with any crit on my entire account (1 isn't even double crit and is on my Yoimiya). I agree with the sands part. Makes a lot of sense vs. circlets.
@@WastedTalent83 Does it save a lot of potential farming? Yes. Is it great otherwise? No. Not remotely satisfying. We all agree on this, but we aren't all throwing tantrums on TH-cam about it. Constructive criticism doesn't need to come in the form of nine minute long strings of profanity. It obviously can, though.
@@-MCMLXXII- so in your opinion.. stating facts, is a tantrum.. a weird take on it but sure, call it like that if you like. Also i see many people agree with me so are you sure its a tantrum? or you just wanted to look like a warrior of justice?
6:58 This. This is EXACTLY why i quit this game. And why i quit WuWa too. I want to use my characters, have them built and used freely according to situations without the artifact tetris every time my team changes.
Agreed. Genshin's stat system and grind are the worst part of the game and the reason why I only log in to do new Main Story quests nowadays, with my old characters.
At least In wuwa you can swap echoes and weapons in TOA. With only 3 characters per team. Making it way easier to build teams. Genshins new end game req 18 characters lvl 70 and all of them need their own weapon and artifacts. What a joke. Even though I can clear it and 36 star abyss it's still a dog end game system.
The table with the resin costs is nice, but it doesn't actually take into account several things. First, you need 4 items to get a set bonus, but you have 5 artifact slots. So you don't actually need to farm a goblet from an actual set, you can just use any old gladiator for that. Second thing it doesn't take into account is how many characters actually need that specific type of artifact. There aren't many characters in game that need elemental mastery goblet or healing power circlet. So these are really hard to drop, but with so few characters needing them you'll probably get enough of them just by farming other artefacts. And the same is true for specific goblet with specific element. Yes, almost all characters use an elemental goblet, but with 8 elements to choose from only 1/8 of that number need fire element. So in most cases, I think the circlet will probably be more of a bottleneck than elemental damage goblets, since many characters use crit rate of crit damage circlets. I think in majority of cases, it will be easier to slap a random non set goblet with fire damage on the character and use the converter to get a great circlet for 3 elixirs, than using a non set circlet and converting goblet for 4 elixirs. Try running the algorithm again, but instead of calculating the chances to drop one specific artifact piece, calculate that you have 20 characters. You want 3 fire element goblets, 3 ice element goblets..., 1 elemental mastery goblet, 1 HP goblet, 10 crit chance circlets and 8 crit damage circlets, one healing power circlet, one EM circlet etc. This is just an ad hoc example, but this will give you much closer estimate of the value for the converter. Unless of course you want to play the whole Genshin game with just one character. The best way to use the converter is probably just to get what you actually need, not whatever is harder to drop percentage wise.
Thanks for the video and analysis! After months of farming I still haven’t been able to get a Shimenawa crit dmg circlet so this new system is a godsend for me.
lol I've been playing for 1 year and a half. 205 resin/day times 547 days = ~112000 resin = 5,600 runs. All this shit and I don't have a single double crit dendro, electro, pyro, hydro, or anemo goblet.
not really... The bad, is that not only its useless, its also insulting to players who thought that FOR ONCE mihoyo would have done something nice for the players. Getting people hope up just to kick them in the ball, is much worse than "useless"
listen it's scuffed, but far from useless. I've been playing for a more than a year and I still don't have a single good double crit electro, anemo, dendro, hydro, or pyro goblet
Saving my elixirs for now. The system is not supposed to replace farming…just make it a bit easier to get very specific artifacts sometimes. I’m fine with it 😊
I'm gonna use it for my sand. Goblet are usually off piece anyway so in my experience sands is the hardest piece to get. Plus its cost is half than a goblet.
bro I never expected not even in a million years to see your face, used to watch tons of your vids and now am back in genshin and woooooooww my boy Iwintoloose is handsome and stylish rocking that suit.
Using it on goblets is borderline crazy, I believe (unless you're a battle pass user). Just use it to complete the rest of the set and off piece the goblets.
@@lafeechloe6998 Nah, the thing is you'll easily screw up your goblet with bad rolls and you wish you used them on multiple sands/circlets instead instead.
People saying "It's not as bad as people make it out to be" is just sad, they are so used to gobble the slop that hoyo throws at them that they don't realize the company doesn't respect your time, they expect you to play for months to craft 2 or 3 artifacts. They should get rid of the one elixir per patch cap because you can only use the transmuter so many times before you run out of resources , resin is limited and you can craft one artifact per set each patch anyways.
Sure it can be better, but your argument is harsher than it should. This is a incredible system, just need some adjustments. One single change in the time limit, or just put the item on the starglitter/stardust store, or just give it more often etc etc. All of this really easy to adjust. We cant ignore that now we can cut a huge part of the rng tied to artifacts. We just need more of it.
I despise this community for that mere reason, they can eat w/e shit hoyo throws at them, that's why this game can't have nice things they're always happy with the minimum.
@@pontoancora How is it better if i have to wait months for a goblet that could still roll all into flat def. With the time limit it's barely better. Almost negligible.
You can get 6 from exploration, if its any indication, every single tribe has special fragments which you can get 3 of. you can craft 3 of these fragments into a key to enter a special room that has 10 5 star artifacts and 1 sanctifying elixir. I just got 2 from these rooms (hydro and geo tribe), and currently trying to get the dendro tribe's elixir next. Not sure what the 1 elixir you're referring to is, but its definitely more than that as of this patch
@@vincenttanshiqiang9556 dont think so, you get these fragments by opening precious and luxurius chests in the areas where the tribes are located. search "azure/yellow/green obsidian ring genshin"
the legend goes on.. Genshin could never is more real than before actually. After the 5.0 livestream, i had a sliver of hope but 10 minutes after logging in, i instantly got brought back to reality. Mihoyo just can't.
@@glovs4188 it still let's you chose the main stats the ability to have an on set double crit elemental goblet takes around 60,000 resin to actually get and that's assuming you luck is terrible the artifact selector saves you tens of thousands of resin and will allow players to spend less time in domains id rather be able to get artifact farming done faster BUT THATS JUST ME THO
@@Thedoorway123 double crit on set goblet is absolutely not worth it for me if 3 rolls don't roll into crit. I have 40 to 50cv non on set goblets of all elements already in my account. I much prefer a roll chooser than a substat chooser. But hey, every drop hoyo gives is like a bucket for die hard hoyo simps. Like how people act like hoyo giving standard 5stars was like the 2nd coming of jesus. Like bruh. All 5star standard are garbages.
@@glovs4188 on set goblets can be worth.if you are struggling to find good sands or circlet. Sometimes, the luck with circlet and sands can be ridiculous
i don't think it is efficient to spend the elixers on the goblets because u need 4 elixers... u can always use off piece on the goblet.... instead it is better to use the elixers on on-piece sands or circlet depending on which one u need more...
But you simply get more attack or whatever sends. Geting a good off piece attack sands is simply easier. You might think differently because you are too used to thr idea that goblet is the offpiece but it's just math. The whole reason goblet is the designated offpiece is because you have a harder time geting a good one.
@@bencegergohocz5988 the sands is generally the issue for me, the goblet will stay as the off piece, that way I can get 2 sands for the cost of 1 goblet.
@bencegergohocz5988 it's probably dependent on how filled out your relics are on your account. For me, I have loads of goblets I've already saved that are god roll off-pieces. So it's just quicker (usually) and easier to farm either a great circlet or a great sands and just craft the other one. The stats on the whole for both would be very similar and the cost would be less.
thanks so much for crunching the numbers man! wow im impressed. Ive been terrified to use these since ive gotten them. Gonna send it and spend it all on Xilonen! Much appreciated
The truth about this feature is that I once again got my excitement for a nice quality of life update smashed into oblivion by an unnecessarily restrictive and controlling design.
Thank you so much for the vid! I got my first goblet already, the pyro one I have been chasing for over a year now, and thankfully it rolled pretty well (42 cv with attack%) so I can now focus on some other pieces that have been dodging me for a while now once I get more of the tokens. I am thinking an EM sands for my Haitham, assuming I don't get one directly from the domain at some point. Glhf out there and may all your artis from this crafter roll well!
I wish that the sanctifying elixir will be given as a reward for major events and shop reset and bp pass the free one. Like seriously 1 for a whole patch?. I can't even get the one from bp without unlocking the premium one unlike in hsr. sure sanctifying elixir gives the sub stat as well but still.
Can't believe that these cc are defending this trash mechanics with some bs calculation that doesn't work like that. Artifacts are based on probability and saying a person requires 2000 plus resin to get guaranteed goblet piece with desired states is just blatant lie and people are buying that. In probability u cant give a solid value unless there is a catch just like the banners.
Literally doesn't matter that much. An ATK% goblet (or whatever main stat you need) with amazing sub stat rolls can be pretty competitive with a dmg goblet with mediocre sub stats. It's like a 5% difference.
@@cynicalmandate the people believing these calculations gotta be the most brain dead people in the world. Him giving resin count to get double crit artifact is same as him saying you can get character in 10 pulls. Its probability u cant assign a number to it. Man its sad that just to defend hoyo scam cc just do fraud with there own community.
The playerbase has such insane stockholme syndrome that getting this transmuter people are singing Hoyoverse’s praises lol like sure it’s great and we get a chance but I would rather see more player friendly QOL fixes like guaranteed 4 5 star artifacts a run or allowing us to restrict a sub stat when upgrading so it won’t upgrade that stat
I see one issue with the math. It ignores the ability to use an offset piece, and specifically, the impact this has on demand. A Def% sands, for example, is likely to have a lower value than an atk% sands, simply because you'll probably have a good off-piece laying around because it dropped while you were farming for other characters. Goblets have the same issue... 8 damage types, so you probably have a lot of offset choices. Meanwhile, crit circlets are high in demand, because most five stars are DPS characters that want crit. So while crit with crit substat and ER/char-stat might be more common than a specific goblet, the demand for any good crit circlet is also higher. There's also another important thing for people to consider: domain value. Picking up a Glow piece will likely have more value than a Hunters/Troupe one, especially for a newer player. This is because the latter come from a high value domain, and, not only that, one that has different characters wanting different stats on the sands/goblet/circlet. So you can farm a ton there. Meanwhile, Glow is a set a single character might be interested in, with the other being pretty meh except maybe for Childe? This is a domain that is horribly resin inefficient. Anyway, overall, probably best to save these until you run into an issue where the sands/goblet/circlet you need just refuses to drop for a character you really care about.
1. Resin estimations are estimations for expected amount spent and elixirs may actually save you from going grave before you see a single CryoDoubleCrit. 2. Goblet is almost always off-set for reasons. Nobody farms those. 3. There is no guarantee artifact will roll any good with remaining two stats. 4. There will be at least 9 new characters that require good artifact during this year. Re-use is heavily countered by releasing new 'optimal' sets and artifact management pain (real artifact presets when?) -- In the end good luck still triumphs. It just bad luck becomes not as painful. Keep praying.
"The wait time is long but it'll save you years of farming" Oh yes Im sure that after 160 days of waiting to craft 1 goblet which will roll into 20% def ny time will be saved so MUCH ❤❤
The only guide you will ever need for selecting artifacts. Awesome video with clear details. I subscribed just because of this one video, nice content keep it up ❤
is it just me who finds it absolutely hideous, that it costs 4 of those to make one "MAYBE" good goblet? still have to get lucky tha it rolls into the crit stats when leveling up.
It would be cool to see what's the best artifact per character to create. I'm sure it would depend on what set the player is using for effect but A BiS showcase would be fun to watch and informative for newer players still building their teams.
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He helped a lot with the calcs and will be doing top tier theory crafting in Genshin Impact!
Happy vacation sir
@@IWinToLose I replied before you commented
Wait im not sure but i think the chart is missing "Dendro dmg bonus" for the golbet.
@@ike4nole753it's all the same still
6:10 I don’t think the Avg Runs value in the sheet is correct though. You can’t just divide 100 by 0.98. There’s a lot of different math involved, but basically
On average, you should enter about 70 times to have a better than 50% chance of winning at least once with a 0.98% chance of winning per attempt. Which is the ‘Avg Runs’ value.
And to be 99.99% sure of winning at least once with a 0.98% chance per attempt, you should enter approximately 930 times.
*>Creates a double crit elemental damage piece.*
*>Levels it up.*
*>Rolls double defense stats.*
*>All stat boosts go towards defense.*
*>Has to wait months until I can do it again!*
forgot the >kms
Won't be surprised at all bc def is like 75% chance to roll into
@@7HFEstorque 100% on my account 💀
Yipee
@@7HFEstorqueFalse
Imagine waiting to craft one artifact after months only for it to still all roll into def
It's fine even if I get a geo goblet with the lowest crit state possible my navia would be better with a different time piece
Deleting Genshin within the next 10 seconds and proceed to scream and morn internally…
imagine just using offset and never had any problems...
I know right lmao
waiting 4-6 months and endup with a flat 70 DEF goblet
@@GerriFuryman BRO I STILL DONT HAVE GOOD PYRO GOBLET FROM ANY SET
They say genshin has gacha for characters, but characters are guaranteed eventually. THIS is the real gacha.
Pretty much everything can be guaranteed...
@@cynicalmandate no just no
only limited 5 stars truly gets a guaranteed drop.
@@cynicalmandate *cries in no em goblet in 4 months*
@@cynicalmandatenot artifact substat rolls they are pure rng
Basically:
* If it's bad, strongbox it
* If it's got some OK rolls, level to 4 and transmute it if it's bad
* If it's worth continuing, level it up and feed it to another artifact for exp if it rolls bad
Overall, its not worth using, you might as well strongbox bad or ok artifacts
@@alexjackyperson101 I can't agree that it's not worth using AT ALL. But it's WILDLY disappointing.
100 xp for 1 elixir where exp=artifact levels is insane. Whoever thought of this needs to stop thinking, and exit the universe, please…
Making calculations: ❌
Writing a program that makes calculations for you:✔️
Simulation =/= Calculation
It's way more fun to code a sim though.
Can't wait to get my Lvl20
Crit rate: 2.7%
Crit DMG: 5.4%
HP: 19
Def: 110
Pyro goblet for Christmas 🎄🎉
On set damage goblets are so rare and precious that i am ok with lowering my very high standards for them if it can save me months of resin
@@lafeechloe6998 how valuable an on set goblet will be all depends on how good your off piece is.
I literally have the same stats u mentioned
@@_mako Its clearly easier to slot a 45cv feather than a 35 CV on set goblet. If the goblet is the off set piece you will probably get something like "35CV goblet + 35 cv forth piece" If the goblet is the on set you will maybe get "28CV on set + 45 CV off set" That's more stats
@@lafeechloe6998or if you have a 45 CV off set gob already, then you could just go for that.
It just all depends on the context and what the worst artifact for that character is. If your gob is doodoo even though it’s already an off piece, then sure absolutely go for an on piece gob and test your luck, but if your time piece, or your circlet is the weakest link, and you already have a pretty good off set gob (42-45+ CV) then there’s no reason to keep gambling for an on set gob when it’s really realistically not gonna do much for your character, if anything it might downgrade your character if you try to force a mid on set goblet onto the character and trying to make that work.
by the time you have 4 elixir, you forgot what artifact you want to make.
LOL! So true. Or you've moved to another set, character or build.
this elixir system is good. but they put too much strict and obnoxious requirements on it it becomes meh.
i do you one better.
Bu the time you got enough artifacts with this system to roll a decent one.
Genshin 2 will probably be launched and half way through the whole story.
@@froeloeThis mean isnt good...
@@froeloe honestly if they gave more elixir it would be amazing
I genuinely think goblets costing 4 artifact fuel thingies are a bit too much considering the limitation they put on how often you can get those artifact potions
Yea.... I mean... How hard would it be to allow us ONE goblet every abyss / theater reset. I think thats reasonable.
The current rate is too obnoxious.
especially considering that there's a chance that the rolls dodge both crits(happens very frequently to me ;-;)
@@Puppetmaster2005or even just make it cost 1 or 2 maximum.
I recently got an electro goblet with double crit and double flat stats and it all rolled into both flat stats smh. @@adrishchatterjee8711
Just use offset, never in my life i have problems with goblets. Crit dmg/rate head is more important. Always just use offset for goblet/head if you have any problems with finding any of it. And in 4 years i never farm art domains more than few weeks before getting full set that had mid stats and still dealing tons of dmg. People make big deal of artifacts, while the real problem is that they are just bad at understanding the game.
Considering the number of resources required to make a single Sanctifying Elixir, they should have allowed for an unlimited number to be extracted. Gating them to one per patch is a complete joke, as it allows for a single, negligible goblet (likely with bad sub-stat rolls) to be crafted once every six months.
Probably 2 per patch
@@CHICKENNUGGET69360 why 2 per patch? You’re purposely cucking yourself lol. It’s already expensive as it is. Either make it cheaper with time gate or make it expensive and remove the time gate.
Exactly. This is complete bs. We, as players don't stand up to this bs so they'll keep doing shit like this. It's ridiculous
Six months? What is bro yapping about😂
Take it or leave it
I don’t know what were they thinking by making the elixir limited to 1 each 41 days bro that’s insane, so basically you have to wait for 6 months to build 1 goblet that might end up rolling HP or DEF… hoyo really need to wake up
It’s to incentivize purchasing battle pass and spending more time in game since you get elixirs that way too
@@babyjiren9676yes exactly. You can get 6 this patch and more in the future. It's not as bad as people make it out to be. It basically guarantees 1 potential good goblet per patch.
You’ll get more from open world and events so its not as bad as it seems
@@lycoreco5154people complain without even playing the game i swear half these comments havent even explored the new area yet and jump the conclusion.
@@lycoreco5154I mean, it is pretty bad. Having to sacrifice 25 different lv 4 artifacts when they could've been used as exp for upgrading different ones.
I'm basically going to treat these like my crowns; hoarding until I feel like using them.
So it can accumulate? That's nice, I am in no need for using that to get artifacts currently.
so craft them into onset goblets for your favorite characters who happen to have the worst onset goblets, yup.
@@danielschomburg2140 goblets can easily be offset though. I personally have worse luck with onset sands
@@aremmm same I've been doing emblem domain since launch and I still don't have any good er sands, the best one I have is 15% hp with 25cd
@@vijaysinghr988 I will do you one better, er sand with 25% def and 5/5 critstats
Bro coded an entire program for 1 statistic which is insane dedication for giving the most accurate and well informed information
That momemt when you write sim app instead of probability theory calculus😎
While IRL/RNG results are sample based and personalised, so can be not a good source of statistics (like IRL coin is not close to 50% because it depends on how you hold it and force you apply in most cases).
At first I thought it was coding integration ad😅
True hero
He's probably a sfotware engineer, or chatGPT can write that with some precise prompting.
hardwork laziness
He must be a poe player
I think like crowns they should give one elixer per main event of the patch. That makes it 2 elixir per patch.
This is a very good idea
And 3 if you get the battle pass
Still copium.
And then they will stop giving crowns, cause it will be too much and Da Wei will cry again. They put crows in shop for cost of 10 pulls, so there is a possibility they really gonna not give us them anymore btw.
@@RavenShugoyall have gotta stop doomposting, they’re not gonna take away the free crowns💀. It’s just an extra for those who want it
1:26 those are obnoxious elixir costs especially with the level of gatekeeping Hoyoverse has put on the system. There should at least be an option where, say, I only want a Goblet with main stat EM, but don’t care about the substats - I should be able to craft said Goblet with less elixir cost. Having to collect & spend 4 elixirs if I only want main stat EM Goblet is just too heavy and time-consuming.
Facts. Or if it costs this much have the +20 only roll into selected subs
It's a little disengenous to say that 4 artifact crafting can replace 4 years of resin since you're not farming those pieces sequentially. In the year of farming it takes on average to find a double crit hydro goblet, you're also likely to find several other double crit damage goblets for other elements naturally.
The 4 year math only works if you want 4 hydro damage goblets, which I think is less common than wanting damage goblets of other elements.
The math also neglects the relevance of other valuable substats. I'm perfectly happy with a single crit substat if the other substats are a good combo of ER, EM, and Atk% (or whatever main stat), which makes it more common to find good pieces while farming and therefore less valuable to craft them.
Overall I think the crafting system is great, but the rate of getting elixers is way way way too low. I think they could easily be 5-10 times more common. Especially with IT making it so that you're expected to build so many more characters.
i usually like his videos. but this one was utterly disappointing, as he got very dishonest here.
Licking mihoyo ass should have a limit.
I hope they'll give us elixirs in future events just as self-model resin in HSR, additional 1 per patch would already be a big deal
I legit thought this crafting system was introduced due to the latest endgame mode (the imaginarium or whatever it was called) as a way to encourage players, especially newer ones. To catch up and be able to play the mode. But the rate of which you acquire the elixirs is so slow it doesn't make sense to me.
@@wksers_serks i have no idea why you would think that, imaginarium theatre is much more character quantity based rather than quality based, it woud help a lot more for the abyss, i for one managed to beat imaginarium theatre second season and almost season 1 too but never beat floor 12 of abyss
@@justanormalperson5909 You're actually right. I did forget about the abyss, and indeed this is more likely to help with the abyss. But if I think of it from that point of view (a system to help with the abyss struggle with pieces). then with the new reset time of the abyss I could see why would such a system be so scarce. But then again it does feel unnecessarily slow. a similar rate to the crowns would make more sense to me, at least that's my opinion.
They know how hard is for a goblet to be good, and they just make it more expensive, thax hoyoverse, we appreciate it
Should be just main stat only and make every piece only cost one. They messed this system up badly.
Surprised that there were people angry since they were the sort to farm artifacts for perfect stats since this mechanic takes forever to farm anyway. Might as well just keep farming artifacts lol.
But if they are mad enough then maybe Hoyo will drop some good stuff for everyone.
No wonder my Venti has had a 4 star EM globlet for years now
How have you never found an good off piece 5 star em goblet?
@@JyGproductions yes, but not in the VV set, and the others (the only 2) Kazuha and Nahida has them as the off piece.
Lol, I have some pretty good EM main stat artifacts, but none of them are from the same set so I can't even meet the 2-piece set bonus. My Venti is always either on mixed artifacts with no set bonus or mid-tier 4-star VV set.
@@thewaytogame6876 then my case is kind of anomaly. i farmed full em vv set in a month.
Wait, people still use venti?
4 goblets in a year yes? Which can still roll all into flat stats yes it's DOGSHT
Edit :One more thing just noticed I made mualani hydro on set double crit and was ready to make a double crit sands too but GUESS WHAT you can only make 1 piece of any set every patch(this is forked up beyond)
It's pretty bad, tbh. Cost is far too high for such a little, if any, reward.
just use offset, stop making big deal of artiffacts, in 4 years never had any problems with it, just put anything with mid rolls and wipe all the content
Isn't it only 2 goblets in a year?
You can get 1x elixir per patch (42 days). So, 4x elixirs (= 1 goblet) takes 168 days, 8 elixirs (= 2 goblets) takes 336 days.
Unless I'm missing something. I would be overjoyed to be wrong lol and it's actually 4 goblets
Edit: Oh you get some from permanent content nvm
@@GerriFuryman older characters have trouble uiping neu content
nah bro, this is feature is SO PEAK
Honestly, considering the amount of resources it takes to use the Transmuter, I feel like a good use for it would be to quickly bandaid any builds you're currently working on. Like it's a side hustle for artifacts and not the main source of them.
I really hope they start giving 1 each main event same way they do with crowns
13:30 apparently there are atleast 3 lying around in overworld that you can just go and collect
Where do you collect the other 3 in the overworld?
@@Regulus37 you need to collect all obsidian fragments for each tribe then craft rings and find each tribe's "hidden treasure"
@@fursuits Thanks for the help! I'll check it out.
@@Regulus37 the fragments are rng.
So yeah... Happy exploring 😊
@@rayman.007iq welp, wanted to explore natlan for the offering trees and statues anyway might aswell 😅
13:16, I already 100% Natlan this patch, let me share something that may be helpful (I will use the term SE: Sanctifying Elixir).
1. You can get 1 SE every 10 levels for leveling Tome in Natlan with Pyro sigils (total 50 levels, but the current patch max only level 20).
2. You can get 1 SE when opening each tribe's secret treasure (need a key made out of 3 pieces item from the chest when exploring Natlan, in the current patch there are 3 tribes, and there are 3 more to introduce).
3. Obviously, you get 1 from the 40 days/2 patch game.
So, in the current patch, we can get 6 SE.
Now, for what piece you choose, let me share some advice and experience, (especially if you're a new player, even if you're an end-game player but don't have a good piece):
1. Goblet: Focus on elemental DMG for your main DPS, there are 2 conditions: 1). If you already have a good goblet - from the right set or from another set - I recommend you don't use SE (I think it worth 2 timepieces). But 2). If you don't have a good goblet, it is worth it to choose a goblet (since you can save about 14k elixir).
2. Timepiece: Focus on either your main DPS or sub-DPS, there are 2 that are worth considering: ER & EM since their drop percentage is low. 1). ER (mainly for Sub-DPS), I think crit rate & dmg are worth it for many sub-DPS. 2). EM, is usually used for Dendro reaction and can be used by both main DPS or sub-DPS. But, you may watch carefully to choose substat a). Crit rate & damage or b). ER/ATK%/HP%, the decision back to your character. For ATK%, HP%, and DEF%, I think it's not worth it since you can get them in weeks and you can get them from the crafting bench. I don't recommend you spend resin on domains that don't have benefits for many characters, I think some domains are resin efficient, for example in Inazuma (Emblem & Shimenawa), Sumeru (Gilded & Deepwood), Fontaine (Mare & Golden Troupe), and new in Natlan.
3. Circlet, I really don't recommend this because it costs 3 SE, you select either crit rate or crit damage as your substat and vice versa for the main stat while the other stat is either ATK%/ER/EM/HP% (for EM main stat and 2 crit stat already explained in the video and only use in very specific things so also don't recommend).
4. (add) For specific characters like Kazuha or Sucrose that need EM in Timepiece, Goblet, and Circlet, you may consider it since the domain is not resin efficient and very gambling from the crafting bench (unless you're lucky like me XD). But, I recommend using it for something else (because you only need 4 pieces for the artifacts stat)
5. Finally, I advise you to 1). If you're a new player, just enjoy the story and the exploration, don't get rushed on artifacts; 2). If you're an end-game player, please wait for the right time, I mean you only get 1 SE in 40 days, meanwhile, in 40 days you can get around 400 5-star artifacts (5 domains/day) that may drop the piece you want. I personally will save it for later, because maybe in the future there will be some really useful characters, and if the artifact set is not resin efficient, then I will use it. Lastly, it's just a game bro, enjoy other activities, you get nothing when rush (especially when the roll is not crit >:D). Thank you :))
do you have to get close to 100% to get the 3 parts of the obsidian ring for a region or is pure RNG?
But it's makes 7 SE in 5.0..?
2 from sigils, 1 from mail, 1 from artifacts and 3 from tribes
@@respectfulplayer Pure RNG but, you will 100% those regions anyway for sigils.
It only spawns in precious and luxurious chests. So prioritize those.
@@respectfulplayer I'm assuming it's RNG, I got a few of the rings very early on but I didn't get a ton in the early stages of exploration (~20%).
>be Mihoyo
>makes a QoL that makes artifact have a certain main stat and 2 substats
>nice
>the last 2 hidden stats are def flat and def%
>you leveled up this artifact to +20
>all went to def flat
>????
>NICE
just get lucky I guess.
Me when I found out artifact was always rng in every game :
The only problem is it hard to get the elixer
but if we dont have this update ..... as per the vids calculations, you need a year's grind to get 1 elemental goblet with double crit on the correct artifact set .. now imagine that rolling that out all into flat def ..
with this update, at least for a year, you have 4 chances of rolling your correct set double crit elemental goblets to flat def/hp - compared to just 1 chance without this update
Make it worse, it rolls flat def and flat hp, then it rolls into both so that it can't be used even by def scaling characters
If they give domains a buff it would decrease the literal years people spend in them but nooooo we want our game to be grindy asf and take literal YEARS bc of RNG. Fk off Hoyo
Tl;dw: Feed +4 artifacts to transmutter to craft elixirs, craft elemental dmg goblets with them for maximum efficiency.
The System had one purpose: Marketing.
Make a shiny new system, that everybody wants, so that it get hiped and every TH-camr makes a video about it.
But screw it up, like nearly every QoL feature, so that nobody gets an advantage/improvement out of it.
It’s literally not even considered a QoL “improvement” just another bad RNG system to “fix” the other bad RNG system. Hoyo fkn sucks ass
@@Fulldrag7802 More like Genshin sucks ass, the other 3 games aren't this shitty honestly, What a pain. This is why every hype qol i dont get excited anymore i know they will mess it up lol.
@@Mjaaaa24Well Said.
@@Mjaaaa24 lmao both of other game is even worse because you can't even use fucking off pieces and HSR still only chose the main stat and rng substat. Stfu
Another reason to not come back to this game again. They really treat players so badly in genshin, well ig im not surprise.
i already messed up i fear....
Did you get a feather?
You learned the hard way I see
Bro got a double crit flower and it rolled all flat stats 😆
Well you're still not messed up as people who'll start in future so just don't do it again
@@0rokuSakiflower only costs one if it costs same amount as goblet yes that's so bad to do but that's not the case
If only they made it like the parametric transmuter but instead you feed it any 5 star arti
They'll never do that
They'll do that in Genshin 2
They’ll never do that in Genshin 3
Same for Genshin 4
Not even in genshin 5
They still should at least put 4 in the free battle pass and 8 in the premium so we get like one artifact per patch. Also I think they should remove the limit on extraction cuz it's not like we can make them in an instant, still takes lots of effort (failed artifacts) to get to a point to make 4 elixirs
"Hoyoverse know what they are doing in terms of rewards and time spent" What? Are you kidding? Yeah, they know how to spit in our face with their "rewards and time spent". That's the most L take I've heard from IWtL
You just don't understand probabilities
You don't need probabilities to know this is a shitty feature
adding a piece type selection to the mystic offering would've been way better @@Forakus
100% agree, he was pretty dishonest and licking their ass to make damage control with this video. And its not something im ok with.
@@Forakus probabilities means shit unless you're lucky as fuck.
you could have the ability chose 4 stats out of 4 and still get a shitty artifacts because every roll will be in a different stat.
You as well as iwtlg are behing dishonest, because you know VERY WELL this system will do shit, unless those few people with broken luck.
@@Forakus bro when the hell did I say anything about probabilities? It doesn't change anything. Also, I have actually taught stochastics and probability at university, so I do, in fact, most likely know more about it than you.💀
4:16 there's an important mistake in these statistics, dendro goblets are not included! so chances of getting other sorts of goblets are now lower.
You are correct.
Chances a lowered only for atk/hp/def%. Also if you looked closely chances are still right. Dendro gob is just not shown
Good catch 😊
if you add everything its 95% max, so the calcs are right, he just missed dendro in the table xD
I've already used this feature to create a feather (as an experimental test) for Emilie. And guess what? At level 0, I got HP% as the third stat, and then I got flat defense as the fourth stat by raising it to level 4... But it doesn't end there. In the end, after raising it to level 20, it ended up with a crit rate role, a crit dmg role, and 3 flat def roles. So yes, it's very disappointing the new feature, so don't get your hopes up too much even if you plan to save quite a few bottles.
Well, expecting it to only roll on crit stats is delusional. Just be happy you can remove 3 layers of rng
@@MrGoodra17 Yeah, but even if on paper sounds good for all the time it saves (at least, from the IWtL calculations), even if you save like an entire year of resin, it can be wasted by a bad roles when upgrading. So yeah, still not a good/efficient way to improve your current builds. I think is better to use relicary function than destroying a lot of artifacts to get one bottle per month.
@@CrisProGameZelda bro, your problem is you only look at the unlucky side. Everyone knows how that feel to get a good piece just to roll all in flat def ,remember everyone also has good piece with god tier rolls too.
I started to play in 1/1/2024 which mean its only 9months for me. I got great Dendro, Cryo, Geo and Anemo goblets but none Pyro, Hydro and i still think Electro goblets doesnt exist . My DPS are Neuvillette, Arlec and Clorinde which mean all the good goblets are useless (for now).
This system literally allow me to complete the other 3 goblets i need. When that happens, i dont need to farm goblet anymore. Im sure old players have at least a dozen of good pieces, they just need to fill out sub DPS
@@CrisProGameZelda For mine I actually fed it potentially good artifacts screwed by rng so I didn't lose that much, plus there are and will most likely be more ways to obtain elixirs. So it's only bad at first glance imo and I still prefer this to the hsr one where it's only really useful for support pieces, like speed boots or cd bodies.
@@MrGoodra17 Just consider that even if you get 16 bottles for free, there's another restriction that allows you to create just one piece of every artifact set per version (6 weeks). So even if you can create 4 goblets, those should be from different artifacts sets unless you wait patiently 6 weeks to bring one by one of the same artifact set. That means you have to wait at least 6 months to get 4 pieces of one artifact set, and even with double crit subs, still is highly probably to role on mediocre subs at the end. So, not really a good improvement from the current grind tbh.
CN players do your thing
they need to riot and then hoyo will give us 20 elixers as an apology
10:06 when you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail... Your hammer is coding apparently...
It's better than not having it all, but I think the system could be a lot better.
Some ideas that I think would be better:
Goblets cost 3 elixir
2 elixir in free BP, 2 in paid
3 Obtainable through gameplay per patch
Have events sometimes give them
4 Stats by default or let us use an elixir on any artifact to guarantee a boost to a stat (which would still be costly with up to 5 per artifact which honestly I don't think would be broken especially if they keep similar rates of obtaining them)
Another thing they could do is have us use an elixir to change the main stat of an artifact which would make those double crit healing bonus circlets feel better.
Lol NGL changing main stat would be broken
Good video! I'd add that for characters who want to maximize EM, besides kazuha and nahida, theres sucrose who shares 20% of her EM with the team, and also characters who can act as hyperbloom/burgeon triggers on teams where you build that specifically. So kuki, raiden, thoma are all good to stack EM on specific comps.
Theres possibly other characters too who I'm just not familiar with enough to say, like heizou, cyno, sayu, alhaitam
A little correction.. We get 3 from exploration. So add 2 more in the calcs
exploration is one-time only
@@cynicalmandate i mean he write it down on his sheet that we only get 1 from exploration.. so he has to correct it from 1 to 3
@@cynicalmandate it is most likely every new map will have 3/5 so it's not really one-time only thing
6 tribes so 6 in total but we can only get 3 now
Calc is short for calculator btw they're just using slang you guys
Made a flower
Crimson witch
Picked crit rate and damage
3rd stat was atk%
Lvl up 4th stat is hp%
Biggest upgrade hutao had in 3 years 🎉
Edit:
Lvl 8 and 12 went to crit dmg
Lvl 16 and 20 went to hp%
3.1% crit rate
14% crit damage
10.5 atk%
16.9% hp
Idk for you if its mid or not but the fact it doesn't have def% is a HUGE upgrade for me
and 20??
What was the 20
@@jlester163 the fact you can get 3 substat artifacts is just dumb
@@Erksah02 oh rofl, so its not guaranteed to start with 4 stats?
that's just so dogshit
@@Hiken_Bakuzan I'm not 100% sure but that seems to be the case
this is pure insanity. We get absolutely scarce rare resource which is elixir and still we need to grind a ridiculous amount of time to use that which doesn't make any sense. It is just to make the game to be hard for a sake of being hard.
man, its just a scam, and idiots fall for it, its that simple.
this is a very dishonest company it has always be and always will be, i stopped giving them any money months ago.
Because i really could see no hope anymore.
THIS was the chance for the to show that genshin CAN actually care about players, but they decided to spit in our face instead.
The fact these can still roll 100% into defense means its like trying to fix a broken arm with a band aid
I personally think all artifacts should start out to cost one sanctifying elixir. With the option to choose if you want to focus substats which would increase the cost to two. HSR has this already and it only cost one for every relic you could get.
13:27 You can obtain more from overworld, each tribe can give 1 elixir, so rn we have 3 in the overworld, but obviously there are a total of 6tribes so it's expected to be 6 once future patches drops
I don't know how much this would affect the chart calculations but Dendro DMG is missing from the Goblet stats.
yeah i just pointed out too but I'm not sure
It'll be the same as the other ones like cryo, pyro, etc.
@@thorn_again I think it does change the chart I'm just not sure how. All the main stat percentages on the left have add up to 100%. So if you add another stat roll; one or some or all the others % chance have to go down until it equals 100%
@@Damoney125I don't know how you do math but main stats add up to 95,1. So the 5% dendro goblet is just missing in the chart.
@@abraham135790 Oh you're right, the its just missing off the chart then
To clarify, the areas in Natlan where you can collect a Sanctifying Elixir for free all require you to collect three colored obsidian fragments to assemble a tribal bracelet (currently Yellow, Green, and Azure). Once assembled you can enter each tribe's Secret Space there will be a Sanctifying Elixir and five golden artifacts of both new sets.
It's safe to say that more will be available in later patches
that changes nothing.
its still a shitty system, even if they gave us 10 x patch because the delay on crafting them its absurdly long.
rolling artifact is the REAL hard part of getting decent one, not finding them.
@WastedTalent83 yeah i have so many double cr crdmg sub stats, but the hardest part is actually got them increased, not getting them.
almost 4 years of playing, and i only have two goblet that have 14%crit rate, 14% crit damage.
That is why I resort to just single good value, like 16% crit rate, or 32% crit damage for the rest
@@hitsurei if only people understood that i don't talk out of my ass, i just talk about experience, and on these things i can never be wrong because i experienced it for YEARS. but they stll defend these shitty addiction without getting that mihoyo is just making fun of people.
Are You sure they Will give us 4 elixir per patch? Hahahaha we wait for them 😂😂😂
They should remove the 1 elixir per patch restriction or at least make it 2 per patch.
and what would that change? rolling artifact is still shit.
even if they give us 20 x patch , the change to get a very good artifact are still low AF
@@WastedTalent83 Nah, these obviously should be used on goblets or in some rare cases, sands. Getting double crit pieces alone the usual way is too much trouble and rng still. Getting a guaranteed on set elemental goblet with double crit is already a massive improvement that removes a layer of rng from the game. It may not roll how you want it to roll in the end, but couple of rolls into crit (which is not particularly unlikely) and you're likely to get an upgrade. Removing the cap per patch would be absolutely godsend while farming the new artifact domain.
I know it literally doesn't matter, but I find it funny that you just didn't do Dendro Goblets in the spreadsheet
The new fuction that shows location of local specialty is a better qol than the artifact creator, HOW?
simple , because a nice little positive thing. HEAVILY outwaight a scam system made to make player come back just to be kicked in the balls -.-
you get 3 more elixirs overworld but they're extremely cumbersome to collect basically run around and open every single precious and luxurious chests to randomly obtain 3 ring fragments for each tribe then you can craft them into the rings to unlock special rooms inside/near the tribes
Can we find those at our own pace? They're not time-limited, right?
@@cherish_xo well yeah you can do that, but it will take a long time if youre not actively opening every single chest in the region, i got most of the places to 75-80% completion before getting the elixirs, and as far as i know they aren't time gated
@@AwolRemains I'm currently at 50-60% on most parts of Natlan but I'm just a casual explorer. If it's not time-gated then I'm glad^^
Uh huh, 4 Patches to get one Goblet, and not even any guarantee to roll to your desired stats
Genshin Could Never
It's not 4 patches if you get 4 for free
The chances for double crit dmg goblets is already cringe. i probably have like two good ones, the rest just have one crit and atk%. This makes is actually possible to guarantee those substats. The rest is up to rng. And besides, at that point, your other pieces should be amazing enough to not matter...
tell me you dont play the game bro
i already got 6 ☠
@@sarenlover6624 tell me you dont play the game lil bro, 42 days craft cycle with no roll guarantee
sunk cost fallacy victim spotted
@@vince77-z27 there are more than one way to obtain it, genius
🤦♂
Note for newer players: I wouldnt recommend decide whichever one to craft just based on the resin/elixer. Since we only need 4-set and can have 1 off-set, people usually take the hardest one to find, i.e. double crit elemental dmg goblet as off-set (which is much more likely to obtain a good one across ALL sets).
So if you want to push to the extreme of your character, sure you can pick double crit elemental dmg goblet, but for newer players that need more characters to be built as usable, crafting on-set circlet or timepiece could also be suitable.
For me personally, my c2 nahida, I would use an offset EM+double crit Dendro goblet, and craft an onset double crit EM time piece (which takes FOREVER to get). The rest: flower (EM+double crit), feather (EM+double crit), and crit damage circlet (with EM+CR) are fairly easier to obtain onset by looking at the expectation runs.
13:29 Actually you can get 3 elixir currently from exploration
He uploading literally 1 minute AFTER i just made my artefact.....😅
what you get???
@@sheikhgamer007 i got a hydro dmg goblet with crit rate and crit dmg. It rolled twice in crit rate, once in crit dmg and once in defense. Pretty good if u ask me 😋🙂↕️
@@Bruna_Araujo705 how do you get 4 elixir??
@@Bruna_Araujo705for an onset goblet, that is a very good result
@@Bruna_Araujo705 Nice work!
i usually dont like videos (i have maybe 6 liked in total) but after hearing you spend an hour coding just to have estimated the correct percentage.. your dedication is unmatched. THANK YOU IWINTOLOSE😭
any buffon can do this tbh. chatgpt exists.
The worst of it all is that Hoyo is "praised" for it.
This is not enough!
well.. when you have a army of people lickeing their ass and streamer, its easy to imagine this outcome really...
Instead of criticizing a company in the hope that they will do better, they get compliment for shitting in your face.. go figure.
its important to notice that, bc you can have one off-piece, picking goblet isnt always the best choice at all.
Say you have good on piece flower, feather, and circlet. You're lacking good options on ur timepiece and goblet as far as on piece go (typically, you'll have a kinda bad timepiece and awful goblet).
However, lets say you have very good off pieces for both goblet and timepiece (which is a very common situation in my experience).
In this situation, you could just create a good timepiece with the artifact transmuter, and use an off piece goblet. It might be just as good as transmuting a goblet and using an off piece sands.
==> The main advantage in this scenario is that your timepiece would cost you half the elixir that the goblet is costing you.
If we didnt have offpieces (like in hsr for example), then yes, picking goblet almost everytime would be correct. But not in genshin !
Pretty sure this will be a long-term underrated video with the addition of the elixir system. Good on you, sir.
Another piece of advice on using the Sanctifying Elixirs: don't use them on a set you haven't farmed for at least 2 months, because after 2 months, you begin seeing dimishing returns for most artifact sets The odds of getting a double crit goblet (or anything else) is the same throughout the whole process, so you should wait until you've gotten all of your other pieces before getting the one you need from the Elixir. If after 2 months you don't gave a good goblet, then use the elixir.
What do the 2 months matter? Just get the cup once you have everything else, save the elixir when you don't
6:17 Wait, in this chart right here, I don't seem to see the Dendro DMG Goblet inside the spreadsheet?
I swear to god they hyped us in the livestream about this thing, just later to discover that it has so much annoying and unnecessary limitation
Like you can only make one artifact of a specific set in 1 Cycle, or that it will take you couple of months just to craft a Goblet?
What a disappointment.
Figured they'd kneecap us somehow. Keep us mining away in domains and spending our resin and spending our primos to refill our resin and spending our money to refill our primos.
Nice y'all just discover how that works in star rail except you can't craft anything and choose any substats in it, it is hype, you are just delusional for thinking you would get every perfect artefact in 2 weeks... (And btw it will probably be in some event just like star rail so it's not bad at all)
I’d assume you play HSR, now picture the self modeling resin of the 2-4 we get PER PATCH, 40 days as well. selectors in HSR is also super limited and will average out for a player getting one good relic because these things are never guaranteed and always has been limited…
@@Violet-0 so you assume we get 0 with the new event in genshin ? They will let us with 1 every 40 days even tho they already did have them by exploration and more ? Crazy... I will take genshin everyday especially since you have something, modeling resin is only here to have a somewhat okay set for the time you farmed when a character release, i have 8 of them and they serve no other purpose for now
@@papiertoilette-pb9lf HSR has the clock things available in permanent methods, and you don't NEED them to make relics. You can make as many as you want, they just personalize the main stat. Genshin limits the amount you can make so much, for NO reason! If that clock is the only way you can use those dead relics, people would complain in HSR too! But it's not limited. But both have bad systems to be honest.
I preffer at this time crafting time pieces because if you have played since release you have higher chances to have decent off set goblet pieces
Honestly I think the mere fact that off-pieces exist scews the math. Like, I could have two chances for a perfect sands instead of going for one perfect goblet, and just use the goblet as the off piece. And since one still needs to win against the RNG when upgrading the artifact, it might potentially be more "worth it" to go for more pieces to highten the chances you get a good artifact, and just take the goblet off-piece.
Super limited sugar coated system. Yes, you might get some from grinding the whole new region, but after that... 👴
they are just dishonest, same as the guy who made this video.
"hoyoverse knows what they're doing in terms of rewards" This man has gone insane from huffing too much copium. Call an ambulance.
Now that's how a cancerous gacha player acted as a bootlicker.
I find it funny how these people are crying over an improvement 😂, meta slaves, just run decent artifacts heck it can be 50 crit rate and 160 crit dmg with a crit weapon and it can work well. As long as you have a good team comp with good talent levels you can easily 36 star abyss. Just takes time.
As a long time player with some 30-40cv elemental goblets, I will only use this item for two things:
- Sands for older characters whose crit ratio I want to adjust, which cost only 2 elixir
- Feather or flower of the new set for newer Natlan chars if I want to make them perform well quickly. Personally hoping that Mavuika will be Pyro off fielder and now I am farming her sub DPS set. I will only craft the double crit pieces when she is out, so I can consider which piece I should craft. If the remaining piece I haven't got is feather and I already got 30 cv sands and at least 20 cv substat circlet, then so be it, Imma craft double crit feather. It costs 1 elixir anyway
As for circlet, you can only get 1 crit substat since 1 is already on mainstat, so it's easier to screw up upon level up. The risk is too high for 3 elixir, unless it's for characters that use set that gives lots of crit rate like MH, Blizzard strayer or Natlan new DPS set.
I've got 30-40 cv goblets on each element, so I won't risk 4 elixir just to get 20 cv double crit goblets lol
I'm probably just going to hoard them like I did with crowns for a while. I'm now down to 3 or so crowns but I had a bunch just sitting around until recently.
I see myself just holding the elixers until I have 20+
My goblets are crap but I still want to hold out...
Still only got 2 pyro goblets with any crit on my entire account (1 isn't even double crit and is on my Yoimiya).
I agree with the sands part. Makes a lot of sense vs. circlets.
He wrote a whole program about artifacts in genshin impact. I love this guy.
I can’t do math but I promise you Geo and physical damage double crit goblets are more common
I saw a guy talking about this yesterday, and half the things he said were either fuck or shit.
I think he was unhappy, overall.
Talking the truth
@JM_Tushe I didn't say he was WRONG - just ... disappointed. Like, VERY disappointed.
the fact that anyone can be happy with this system is disgusting in the first place...
@@WastedTalent83 Does it save a lot of potential farming? Yes.
Is it great otherwise? No. Not remotely satisfying.
We all agree on this, but we aren't all throwing tantrums on TH-cam about it. Constructive criticism doesn't need to come in the form of nine minute long strings of profanity.
It obviously can, though.
@@-MCMLXXII- so in your opinion.. stating facts, is a tantrum.. a weird take on it but sure, call it like that if you like. Also i see many people agree with me so are you sure its a tantrum? or you just wanted to look like a warrior of justice?
09:31 This is how I too prefer to use my coding skills 🗿
6:58 This. This is EXACTLY why i quit this game. And why i quit WuWa too. I want to use my characters, have them built and used freely according to situations without the artifact tetris every time my team changes.
Agreed. Genshin's stat system and grind are the worst part of the game and the reason why I only log in to do new Main Story quests nowadays, with my old characters.
I play Genshin 4years and I use bug for up my artifacts 😂😂😂
At least In wuwa you can swap echoes and weapons in TOA. With only 3 characters per team. Making it way easier to build teams. Genshins new end game req 18 characters lvl 70 and all of them need their own weapon and artifacts. What a joke. Even though I can clear it and 36 star abyss it's still a dog end game system.
The table with the resin costs is nice, but it doesn't actually take into account several things. First, you need 4 items to get a set bonus, but you have 5 artifact slots. So you don't actually need to farm a goblet from an actual set, you can just use any old gladiator for that. Second thing it doesn't take into account is how many characters actually need that specific type of artifact. There aren't many characters in game that need elemental mastery goblet or healing power circlet. So these are really hard to drop, but with so few characters needing them you'll probably get enough of them just by farming other artefacts. And the same is true for specific goblet with specific element. Yes, almost all characters use an elemental goblet, but with 8 elements to choose from only 1/8 of that number need fire element. So in most cases, I think the circlet will probably be more of a bottleneck than elemental damage goblets, since many characters use crit rate of crit damage circlets. I think in majority of cases, it will be easier to slap a random non set goblet with fire damage on the character and use the converter to get a great circlet for 3 elixirs, than using a non set circlet and converting goblet for 4 elixirs.
Try running the algorithm again, but instead of calculating the chances to drop one specific artifact piece, calculate that you have 20 characters. You want 3 fire element goblets, 3 ice element goblets..., 1 elemental mastery goblet, 1 HP goblet, 10 crit chance circlets and 8 crit damage circlets, one healing power circlet, one EM circlet etc. This is just an ad hoc example, but this will give you much closer estimate of the value for the converter. Unless of course you want to play the whole Genshin game with just one character.
The best way to use the converter is probably just to get what you actually need, not whatever is harder to drop percentage wise.
Thanks for the video and analysis! After months of farming I still haven’t been able to get a Shimenawa crit dmg circlet so this new system is a godsend for me.
4:53 ONE HUNDRED RUNS???? WHAT IS THIS GAME 😭😭😭
It’s Hell, my boy. Pure Hell.
That's 10 days, not that much.
lol I've been playing for 1 year and a half. 205 resin/day times 547 days = ~112000 resin = 5,600 runs. All this shit and I don't have a single double crit dendro, electro, pyro, hydro, or anemo goblet.
@@cr1ym please, you spend resin in other stuff
The good: There is none
The bad: Its completely useless
Not really, finally I'm able to build my EM Nahida with it.
not really...
The bad, is that not only its useless, its also insulting to players who thought that FOR ONCE mihoyo would have done something nice for the players.
Getting people hope up just to kick them in the ball, is much worse than "useless"
listen it's scuffed, but far from useless. I've been playing for a more than a year and I still don't have a single good double crit electro, anemo, dendro, hydro, or pyro goblet
@@cr1ym and you still wont have one, because the subs will roll terribly
Saving my elixirs for now. The system is not supposed to replace farming…just make it a bit easier to get very specific artifacts sometimes. I’m fine with it 😊
I'm gonna use it for my sand. Goblet are usually off piece anyway so in my experience sands is the hardest piece to get.
Plus its cost is half than a goblet.
bro I never expected not even in a million years to see your face, used to watch tons of your vids and now am back in genshin and woooooooww my boy Iwintoloose is handsome and stylish rocking that suit.
Using it on goblets is borderline crazy, I believe (unless you're a battle pass user).
Just use it to complete the rest of the set and off piece the goblets.
Depend,have super good off set cirlet /sand?go for goblet, have decent ofd set goblet? Go for sand/cirlet
I have so many characters that I don’t really have any good off piece goblets left though. Meanwhile I have plenty of good off piece sands and such
That's the fakest take ever. You just saw a video explaining why its so bad
Just use your off piece for something else ?
@@lafeechloe6998 Nah, the thing is you'll easily screw up your goblet with bad rolls and you wish you used them on multiple sands/circlets instead instead.
People saying "It's not as bad as people make it out to be" is just sad, they are so used to gobble the slop that hoyo throws at them that they don't realize the company doesn't respect your time, they expect you to play for months to craft 2 or 3 artifacts.
They should get rid of the one elixir per patch cap because you can only use the transmuter so many times before you run out of resources , resin is limited and you can craft one artifact per set each patch anyways.
Sure it can be better, but your argument is harsher than it should.
This is a incredible system, just need some adjustments.
One single change in the time limit, or just put the item on the starglitter/stardust store, or just give it more often etc etc.
All of this really easy to adjust. We cant ignore that now we can cut a huge part of the rng tied to artifacts. We just need more of it.
I despise this community for that mere reason, they can eat w/e shit hoyo throws at them, that's why this game can't have nice things they're always happy with the minimum.
@@pontoancoraUntil they adjust the time limit, this system just sucks a*s
@@dominustempus8969 it still better than before. How that is so hard to understand?
@@pontoancora How is it better if i have to wait months for a goblet that could still roll all into flat def. With the time limit it's barely better. Almost negligible.
You can get 6 from exploration, if its any indication, every single tribe has special fragments which you can get 3 of. you can craft 3 of these fragments into a key to enter a special room that has 10 5 star artifacts and 1 sanctifying elixir. I just got 2 from these rooms (hydro and geo tribe), and currently trying to get the dendro tribe's elixir next. Not sure what the 1 elixir you're referring to is, but its definitely more than that as of this patch
What the heck is this? Do we have to complete the archon quest first?
@@vincenttanshiqiang9556no, see your bag if you have one of the fragments because you can get it randomly by opening a precious or luxurious chest
I don't think so, there's only 4 total of them from the exploration
2 is from the anniversary and craftable
@@vincenttanshiqiang9556 dont think so, you get these fragments by opening precious and luxurius chests in the areas where the tribes are located. search "azure/yellow/green obsidian ring genshin"
@@vincenttanshiqiang9556I believe no
They just didn't want to make it as simple as HSR, huh? Genshin could never
the legend goes on.. Genshin could never is more real than before actually.
After the 5.0 livestream, i had a sliver of hope but 10 minutes after logging in, i instantly got brought back to reality.
Mihoyo just can't.
I got a 48 cv atk sands for scara I don’t believe it but got lucky ig
What stats of 48cv? How much crit rate , crit damage stats
Ex. I had er crit rate 7.5% , crit damage 28% how much cv is this?
@@datualiomar3333that would be 43 cv
@@datualiomar3333 basically cr × 2 + cd
7.5×2+28=43
@@datualiomar3333 basically cr × 2 + cd and your cv is 43
Not even gonna bother with it. It's still not gonna roll into crit anyways.
Enjoy grinding emblem for a year lol
@@Thedoorway123 and how does this system change anything? Getting the right subs isn't the hardest part. Lol
@@glovs4188 it still let's you chose the main stats the ability to have an on set double crit elemental goblet takes around 60,000 resin to actually get and that's assuming you luck is terrible the artifact selector saves you tens of thousands of resin and will allow players to spend less time in domains id rather be able to get artifact farming done faster BUT THATS JUST ME THO
@@Thedoorway123 double crit on set goblet is absolutely not worth it for me if 3 rolls don't roll into crit. I have 40 to 50cv non on set goblets of all elements already in my account.
I much prefer a roll chooser than a substat chooser.
But hey, every drop hoyo gives is like a bucket for die hard hoyo simps.
Like how people act like hoyo giving standard 5stars was like the 2nd coming of jesus. Like bruh. All 5star standard are garbages.
@@glovs4188 on set goblets can be worth.if you are struggling to find good sands or circlet. Sometimes, the luck with circlet and sands can be ridiculous
i don't think it is efficient to spend the elixers on the goblets because u need 4 elixers... u can always use off piece on the goblet....
instead it is better to use the elixers on on-piece sands or circlet depending on which one u need more...
Absolutely this
100% this, a sands only costs 2 which is genuinely massive since I already have good off piece goblets I can use.
But you simply get more attack or whatever sends. Geting a good off piece attack sands is simply easier.
You might think differently because you are too used to thr idea that goblet is the offpiece but it's just math.
The whole reason goblet is the designated offpiece is because you have a harder time geting a good one.
@@bencegergohocz5988 the sands is generally the issue for me, the goblet will stay as the off piece, that way I can get 2 sands for the cost of 1 goblet.
@bencegergohocz5988 it's probably dependent on how filled out your relics are on your account. For me, I have loads of goblets I've already saved that are god roll off-pieces. So it's just quicker (usually) and easier to farm either a great circlet or a great sands and just craft the other one. The stats on the whole for both would be very similar and the cost would be less.
My counter-argument to goblets is that you can generally afford to go off-set with them.
that doesn't change the fact that this system is still utter garbage and insulting.
thanks so much for crunching the numbers man! wow im impressed. Ive been terrified to use these since ive gotten them. Gonna send it and spend it all on Xilonen! Much appreciated
This new system is a eye pleasing on surface but its a SCAM
its as eye pleasing, as a gore movie -..-
9secs ago is crazy
The truth about this feature is that I once again got my excitement for a nice quality of life update smashed into oblivion by an unnecessarily restrictive and controlling design.
Thank you so much for the vid! I got my first goblet already, the pyro one I have been chasing for over a year now, and thankfully it rolled pretty well (42 cv with attack%) so I can now focus on some other pieces that have been dodging me for a while now once I get more of the tokens. I am thinking an EM sands for my Haitham, assuming I don't get one directly from the domain at some point. Glhf out there and may all your artis from this crafter roll well!
I wish that the sanctifying elixir will be given as a reward for major events and shop reset and bp pass the free one. Like seriously 1 for a whole patch?. I can't even get the one from bp without unlocking the premium one unlike in hsr. sure sanctifying elixir gives the sub stat as well but still.
Classic hoyo, they give you the shitty shit and when they make it less shitty you gobble up that shit thinking they "finally listen to the players"
They did lol you just being ignorant
Can't believe that these cc are defending this trash mechanics with some bs calculation that doesn't work like that.
Artifacts are based on probability and saying a person requires 2000 plus resin to get guaranteed goblet piece with desired states is just blatant lie and people are buying that. In probability u cant give a solid value unless there is a catch just like the banners.
I said this almost verbatim to my friend this morning
Literally doesn't matter that much. An ATK% goblet (or whatever main stat you need) with amazing sub stat rolls can be pretty competitive with a dmg goblet with mediocre sub stats. It's like a 5% difference.
@@cynicalmandate the people believing these calculations gotta be the most brain dead people in the world. Him giving resin count to get double crit artifact is same as him saying you can get character in 10 pulls. Its probability u cant assign a number to it.
Man its sad that just to defend hoyo scam cc just do fraud with there own community.
The playerbase has such insane stockholme syndrome that getting this transmuter people are singing Hoyoverse’s praises lol like sure it’s great and we get a chance but I would rather see more player friendly QOL fixes like guaranteed 4 5 star artifacts a run or allowing us to restrict a sub stat when upgrading so it won’t upgrade that stat
I see one issue with the math. It ignores the ability to use an offset piece, and specifically, the impact this has on demand. A Def% sands, for example, is likely to have a lower value than an atk% sands, simply because you'll probably have a good off-piece laying around because it dropped while you were farming for other characters. Goblets have the same issue... 8 damage types, so you probably have a lot of offset choices. Meanwhile, crit circlets are high in demand, because most five stars are DPS characters that want crit. So while crit with crit substat and ER/char-stat might be more common than a specific goblet, the demand for any good crit circlet is also higher.
There's also another important thing for people to consider: domain value. Picking up a Glow piece will likely have more value than a Hunters/Troupe one, especially for a newer player. This is because the latter come from a high value domain, and, not only that, one that has different characters wanting different stats on the sands/goblet/circlet. So you can farm a ton there. Meanwhile, Glow is a set a single character might be interested in, with the other being pretty meh except maybe for Childe? This is a domain that is horribly resin inefficient.
Anyway, overall, probably best to save these until you run into an issue where the sands/goblet/circlet you need just refuses to drop for a character you really care about.
1. Resin estimations are estimations for expected amount spent and elixirs may actually save you from going grave before you see a single CryoDoubleCrit.
2. Goblet is almost always off-set for reasons. Nobody farms those.
3. There is no guarantee artifact will roll any good with remaining two stats.
4. There will be at least 9 new characters that require good artifact during this year. Re-use is heavily countered by releasing new 'optimal' sets and artifact management pain (real artifact presets when?)
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In the end good luck still triumphs. It just bad luck becomes not as painful. Keep praying.
"The wait time is long but it'll save you years of farming"
Oh yes Im sure that after 160 days of waiting to craft 1 goblet which will roll into 20% def ny time will be saved so MUCH ❤❤
The only guide you will ever need for selecting artifacts. Awesome video with clear details. I subscribed just because of this one video, nice content keep it up ❤
I would never craft a goblet. Goblets are likely always your “off piece” and I’ve you’ve collected many good ones over the years.
is it just me who finds it absolutely hideous, that it costs 4 of those to make one "MAYBE" good goblet? still have to get lucky tha it rolls into the crit stats when leveling up.
Probably the most efficient way to spend them is to craft timepieces and grab a goblet with double CRIT substats from another set.
It would be cool to see what's the best artifact per character to create. I'm sure it would depend on what set the player is using for effect but A BiS showcase would be fun to watch and informative for newer players still building their teams.