People are Shocked By the Difference Between Gen 6 and Gen 5 Trek Fuel EXs!

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  • @ilgour
    @ilgour ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Coming from the ex 8 gen 5 and bought the new 9.8xt gen 6. I feel the new gen6 is a major change in term of geometry. The new gen 6 is more of a mini slash imo. Alot more all mountain type of bike.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Totally agree with you 👍🏻 I still think the Gen 5 is a great bike for some riders though. Especially at the discounted price

  • @kiwibob72
    @kiwibob72 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Dude, you might want to read up on the 'effective STA' measurements on the Gen 6 vs the Gen 5, as it's 77.2 vs 75deg's (on the 'as supplied' settings), meaning there is 'only' a 2.2deg variance, nothing like the "10 degrees steeper" angles you mention in the video!
    I think the biggest difference between the two, aside from greatly improved kinematics on the Gen 6 (it is 3 years newer in design, so that's to be expected), is that the Gen 5 is more of a lighter weight trail bike (I have one just like the one shown, it's still a great bike!), and the newer Gen 6 sits on the sturdier, more capable trail/all Mtn bike side of the trail bike class of bikes.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว

      Trek website shows a 67.5 degree seat tube angle on the Gen 5. I was just going off what I found on the website. I’ve owned both and there’s a huge difference in the way the seat tube angles feel when pedaling.

    • @kiwibob72
      @kiwibob72 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JaredHoff Yeah, they are tricky to read correctly, there is BOTH an STA listed, as well as the 'effective STA' measurement listed (my numbers came off the Trek site also!).
      The huge feeling difference you got would make sense with the 2.2deg effective STA difference. Kinda like the difference in riding a bike with a 63.8 vs a 66 degree head tube angle, still only the same 2.2degrees difference, yet one of those numbers is for an XC race bike, the other numbers for an enduro bike!

    • @JohnDoe-gm5ux
      @JohnDoe-gm5ux ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kiwibob72 bean counter

    • @kiwibob72
      @kiwibob72 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JohnDoe-gm5ux Sorry, do you have anything anymore intelligent to add than a mindless two word left field reply? (and while I am detail orientated, just for the record, a "bean counter" is a colloquialism for an 'accountant', of which I am not!)

    • @pkeeley131
      @pkeeley131 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's definitely not a 67-degree seat tube angle 😂

  • @mrman26
    @mrman26 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for posting this video, I always love to see your content. I bought my Gen 5 Fuel EX in 2022 (just a few months before the Gen 6 was announced). I went with the black EX 5, knowing that I would make upgrades and customize the bike as I go (I was also focused on value, and the initial price point that I could talk my wife into). I just upgraded to a Fox Factory 36 fork with 150 mm travel, which slackens the head tube angle a bit (estimated to be about a half a degree difference - to about 65.5 degrees) and makes it more capable going down hill. I also put on some tubeless Maxxis DHR2/DRF tires. I love how it handles!
    For me, I plan on sticking with my Gen 5, especially with my upgrades (which help to close the gap between the two models). Many of the Gen 6 features are things that I would never use. For example, I would never add a coil shock or run a mullet set-up.
    Also, I don’t mean to nitpick, but I think that the Trek website actually shows that the “effective seat tube angle” for the Gen 5 is actually around 75 degrees. However, their table is a little confusing. 🤷🏻‍♂️
    Anyway, both bikes are solid choices. If money is no object (and if your wife doesn’t veto your spending decision) go with the Gen 6.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Awesome man! Stoked for you. Sounds like you got an amazing bike. I try my best to not script out my videos, so must have messed up on that seat tube angle 😂
      Thanks for taking time to comment🤘

  • @benjy288
    @benjy288 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I would get the gen 5 every time, a trail bike is supposed to be a do it all bike, and there's no way I'm going to do a big pedal day on a 16kg trail bike, the gen 6 ex 8 gained almost 2kg over the gen 5.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If you’re looking for the lightest bike, that’s definitely the way to go. I personally think the 2kg is well worth the advantages you get downhill. 2kg more uphill and on flats, but 2x easier when smashing down those chunky black diamond downhill trails.

    • @benjy288
      @benjy288 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@JaredHoff What you're describing is what enduro bikes are for.

    • @michaelmichaelagnew8503
      @michaelmichaelagnew8503 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Even though the gen 6 is a few lbs heavier it climbs better than the gen 5.

    • @benjy288
      @benjy288 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@michaelmichaelagnew8503 Basically 4lbs heavier, and climbing better is pretty vague, what makes it climb better? And climbing what exactly? Technical terrain? Fire roads? Tight switch backs? Short punchy climbs? Long xc type climbs?

    • @KazuyaST
      @KazuyaST ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@JaredHofffor what you are talking about id rather pick a trek slash for that purpose.

  • @ivarnilsen6849
    @ivarnilsen6849 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was just deciding between last year's Slash 8 and the Fuel EX8 Gen5 and decided on the Fuel in the end. Hard to really compare prices now with our (Norway) currency getting trashed against just about everything but it was down from $3700 to $2700 by todays rates. Seeing this obviously makes me think a Gen6 would have been the ideal thing but they're $4500 now so I'm going to go sit with the budget gang. Probably won't be hitting blacks anyway as most trails around Oslo where I'm at are fairly mellow. This video is making me think I made a decent choice but only time will tell :)

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stoked for you! There’s always a hard choice when it comes to which bike you should choose.

  • @pauladolfoluquenafarrate665
    @pauladolfoluquenafarrate665 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great review and comparison, thanks for it. I would like your opinion, I want a bike for funny and technical trails but also for XC, long roads and hard climbs, what do you recommend, the Fuel EX 7 gen 6 or the Fuel EX 8 gen5?

  • @aerickvesereu1796
    @aerickvesereu1796 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just bought a used gen 5 ex8 for 1350 € with xt flat pedals. It is in great condition and for that price it was a bargain. I love it. I was looking for the gen 6, but it is to new for them to be that cheap. Still around douple the price used. I think for alot of people a used gen 5 is a great option.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gen 5 is an amazing bike. I’ve owned one of those before. Stoked for you!

  • @robroderick2193
    @robroderick2193 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just got a EX-8 gen 5 for 2500 otd . Very happy with it .

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Awesome! That’s a great bike 👍

  • @Aspartame69
    @Aspartame69 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Im still rocking a 2011 fuel ex9. Out of date for some things but nothing that effects my ride.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s what’s it’s all about 👍

  • @gregmcmaster6050
    @gregmcmaster6050 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is exactly the real world dilemma I currently face, gen 6 ex 7 or gen 5 ex 8 for the price… I’m not a black trail fan, dark blue grade 4 is my current limit that challenges me. Any thoughts? This will be my 2nd bike having recently got into mtb. The comments on climbing ability are tempting for gen 6 and why wouldn’t I want the extra adjustments as I progress? I’m upgrading from a 2021 giant stance so both bikes I assume will be much better

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Gen 5 Ex 8 might be a better choice for the short term. The Gen 6 will be one you can keep for a long time as your riding progresses. But either way you’ll be stoked!

  • @msobas
    @msobas ปีที่แล้ว +2

    currently I use FX8 gen 5 and I'm very happy of this model. Now looking for another one and got huge dillema, it's worth to buy gen 6 or better stay with another gen5 ?

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว

      Gen 6 is worth it in my humble opinion

    • @msobas
      @msobas ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JaredHoff thank,so I got a huge problem with the final choice ;)

  • @dominicomucci3014
    @dominicomucci3014 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    $2600 is that actually the price in America? That's insane. Here they are £3200 . That's a huge difference. Ps thats a 9.7 so I guess you could be talking a different model

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Definitely difference because of that 9.7 being carbon 👍🏻

    • @dominicomucci3014
      @dominicomucci3014 ปีที่แล้ว

      So the £3200 is looking good for the carbon. Would you say its worth the extra money?

  • @jkjcluff
    @jkjcluff ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey, I'm very torn about what one I should get. I can get the gen 5 for 2650 or I could get the gen 6 for 3300. I am 6,6 and 240lbs and ride trail and cross-country. What one would you recommend? My budget is tight but I'm trying to choose.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Heavier weight requires better suspension. If you can get a Gen 5 with better suspension, than get that. The Gen 5 is lighter, and better for XC type rides. Gen 6 is heavier and leans more towards All-Mountain bike riding, and/or aggressive trail rides.

  • @christiansmart7643
    @christiansmart7643 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm torn between a Trek Fuel EX8 Gen 5 and a Fuel EX7 Gen 6.... a heavier rider here at 250 lbs..which one should I get?

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you get the EX7 gen 6 you will want to do some upgrades on suspension and stuff to make it better for a heavier rider. But you can do that slowly over time.
      I chose the EX 7 gen 6, but I had to do a lot of upgrades to make it what I want.

  • @MichaelLizzio
    @MichaelLizzio ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you had the option to buy a fuel ex 5 gen 5 for $2000 or a fuel ex 7 gen 6 for $3000, would you make the upgrade. I have never had a real mtb before, only a 15+ year old trek fuel 70 which the frame broke on me. The trails near me are more xc focus but I still want to explore more downhill places and even some bike parks in the future and really don't want to buy more than one mtb. Any advice?

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It really depends on the type of trails you ride most often and how much you ride.
      First, I usually recommend getting the 8 model at minimum. I got the EX7 but have had to do a lot of updates to get it how I want.
      Second, Gen 5 is lighter more nimble and probably better for beginner riders. Gen 6 is more downhill capable and closer to an “All Mountain” bike that you can comfortably ride on enduro style trails.
      Last, $1,000 is a huge difference. You could make the Gen 5 pretty amazing with $1,000 of upgrades.
      Let me know if you have more questions

    • @anthonyarruda1145
      @anthonyarruda1145 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gen 5 is a great start for a FS

  • @aaronnorthcutt2942
    @aaronnorthcutt2942 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Were there substantial changes in geometry other than the seat post angle? I am right on the line between an L and an XL. I've ridden both Gens and the XL seems to fit me in the gen 5 but the L seems a better fit in the Gen 6?

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Gen 6 is a longer and slacker bike, so that makes sense. There are definitely geometry changes all around.
      I think the Gen 5 is the right choice for a lighter, les expensive bike, which will ride great on most trails.
      Gen 6 is more of an “All-Mountain” style bike. Designed for more aggressive riding that comes close to competing with some Enduro style mountain bikes.
      That’s way over simplified description, but hope it helps.

    • @timgraves4209
      @timgraves4209 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JaredHoff do you know what the rad is on the L or Xl gen 6?

  • @anthonyarruda1145
    @anthonyarruda1145 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just picked up a 2023 gen 5 its capable of doing what i need for a Full suspension.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Heck yeah 👍

  • @Content465
    @Content465 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for sharing 🙏🇨🇦

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for taking time to comment 🤙🏻 makes it all worth it 👍🏻

  • @CatWith-AHat
    @CatWith-AHat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I cant wait to get my first ride in on my 9.8 Gx AXS.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว

      Heck yeah 👍🏻 stoked for you!

  • @wayne.1
    @wayne.1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just buy the gen 5 and upgrade it over time. Not worth $2000 more for the gen 6. $4500 is crazy for that bike.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s definitely a good way to go

  • @jesteraero
    @jesteraero ปีที่แล้ว

    Mate what's your thoughts on pricing. Are these going to go lower at end of year sales. A fuel ex 8 gen 6 is 3084usd (4989nzd) at the moment. You reckon this week go lower later in the year

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว

      Idk I was really surprised to see the new Gen 6 EX on sale already. I think we could see even lower sale prices at the end of this season, but it’s hard to really know.

  • @longlivechina7538
    @longlivechina7538 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your my hero

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s all about getting people stoked about MTBing 👍 Thanks for the kind comment 😁

  • @GustavoAdolfoContrerasSoto
    @GustavoAdolfoContrerasSoto ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, I have seen that this sixth generation comes with alpha aluminum, although on the pages it says platinum aluminum

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว

      They only have one aluminum type for the Trail bikes and it’s solid. I’ve smashed this thing down gnarly trails and am super confident in it. Also, know that there’s a good warranty if I break anything

  • @Alex-md6bu
    @Alex-md6bu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The whole trek lineup has changed, the top fuel has become supercaliber, fuel ex has become too fuel, remedy became fuel ex and slash got super burly, the new top fuel is the more appropriate replacement for the gen 5…

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree. The new Fuel EX is the bike for my riding style.

  • @LoukasVargasBMX
    @LoukasVargasBMX ปีที่แล้ว

    XL is ideal for 6ft people ?

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m 6’2” and ride an XL, but there’s more than height to factor in. You would most likely be in a Large at 6’ even.
      The best thing to do is ask a bike shop to demo an XL and Large to see which one you like.

  • @ellerybice3787
    @ellerybice3787 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Turn on the lights, the janitor is working without proper illumination.

  • @sim1000en
    @sim1000en 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fuel ex what????? The 5 , 7 or 8??? Please clarify

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Those were both the 8 models. Sorry if I didn’t say that. I thought I did.

    • @sim1000en
      @sim1000en 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JaredHoff thank you much appreciated

  • @bikernaut1
    @bikernaut1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would buy Norco Fluid FS for 1000$ less and spend money on upgrades. And it looks better.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I hear ya! My favorite thing to do is buy budget and put my own custom upgrades on it 👍

    • @bikernaut1
      @bikernaut1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JaredHoff me 2. I wish that you can buy a bike without few components like grips, bars, stem, tyres and saddle. I would save a lot of money 😄

    • @slowrider9894
      @slowrider9894 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can, it's called direct. Buy from a company that sells direct. Way higher end build fir same price

  • @joshuaallswang8016
    @joshuaallswang8016 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You misspoke. Every reviewer knows the Gen. 5 has a 75 STA. You misunderstood again bro. And 66 HTA is perfect for trail riding. It’s not a downhill/enduro bike bro.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      64 degree is my preferred HTA

    • @joshuaallswang8016
      @joshuaallswang8016 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JaredHoff 64 HTA was Enduro last year..lol.. shittt there’s enduro bikes coming with that 64 HTA now. Looks like your preferred bike is an enduro bike NOT a true trail bike. No worries. Keep up the great content bro, I’m just giving you a hard time🤝

  • @ivostarmans1199
    @ivostarmans1199 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gen 5 is 2kg-5 pounds lighter. One do it all bike>gen 5. More bikes> gen 6.

  • @user-yi3qy9lu5v
    @user-yi3qy9lu5v 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Gen 6 laino

  • @erinkourelis7430
    @erinkourelis7430 ปีที่แล้ว

    My friend put this bike together for his son and before I knew it he was done th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L When the son came to put it together he was surprised to see it was already done. All he had to do was take the bike to get air and be on his way. My friend did not have any major problems putting this bike together; small issue was putting one of the brakes on straight; however when the son got home he was able to fix it. The bike rides well gears move correctly; good bike for the price. Wrote review after the son took the bike. Sorry.

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว

      I’ve never looked that up. But the geometry numbers are on the trek website.

  • @elijahhighhouse7691
    @elijahhighhouse7691 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Where are you finding them for 2500$? That’s just not true

    • @JaredHoff
      @JaredHoff  ปีที่แล้ว

      They were on sale and you can also find demo bikes like the Fuel EX 8 gen5 I had in this video for $2,500.

    • @elijahhighhouse7691
      @elijahhighhouse7691 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JaredHoff oh sure maybe a demo bike for that much but not a brand new one. Even with the sale there not 2,500$ man

    • @erikjbrown
      @erikjbrown ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@elijahhighhouse7691 yeh more like 3500 for gen 5 vs 4200 for the gen 6

    • @jensdavidrunge-yu4279
      @jensdavidrunge-yu4279 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't know about the prizes in the US, but here in Europe (in my case in Germany) actually there is a new sale-round. I bought my Trek Fuel EX 8 gen5 in November 2022 (black friday sale) for around 3000 EUR. That's still the prize point in most shops, but in some shops right now you can get "my" bike for 2650 to 2800 EUR. Therefore I guess that you can be lucky in the US as well at some shops.

    • @antypigeon4690
      @antypigeon4690 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I bought mine for approx 2250$, so it's possible to get them new cheap