Build your own plane with a kit, then learn on it and get a license. Cheapest way I can imagine being an actual pilot, about storing it you need to pick a rural airfield with no ATC, maybe not even paved to save on costs.
@MrDoomFinder I'd only trust a plane I build and maintain, consequently why most aircraft techs are afraid to fly 😂 The airframe of the kit you're buying must be well tested though, that's the only thing to look out for.
I was a bit scared looking into this pricing but coming from the world of sim racing and spending in the realm of $1500 just on my direct drive racing wheel alone I’m actually relieved at the price of the Saitek setup. I think I’m gonna make a dedicated setup for flight. Being able to fly anywhere on the planet in Microsoft’s new sim looks absolutely amazing.
I've had my CH fighter stick, pro throttle and pro pedals since 2013. Just ordered a honeycomb yoke. Can't wait. I highly recommend CH as budget items. They are rugged and work with ease.
I've had a Black Widow for years. It is still the smoothest set up that I've got. I've also got a Sitec set up Yoke, quadrant and pedals. While more immersive I find that the yoke has a large null zone. Yeah, flying chair thing, awesome.
I got the thrust master t flight hotas 1. I find it to be a good budget controller for this. Always nice when you see it instantly recognized and auto configured for the game 🙂
@@generic_4938 Of course, it's all personal preference. I love VR, and can't get nearly the same level of immersion out of a flat screen as I can in VR. But to each their own. I respect everyone's opinion.
That's the thing, you're not buying a controller for a game you are investing in yourself. If i recall you have to have so many hours on a sim before you're even allowed to step foot in a cockpit for real (unassisted/with no teacher), so those setups might be from people actually striving to become airline pilots or flying in the military and given the current state of the world right now it's actually a valid thing to do. But yes it's something that mere mortals can only dream of
I bought a few months ago the Thrustmaster Warthog. The quality and the feeling is so great! Its so heavy and it feels like you're really flying a plane! I also bought togheter the Thrustmaster T Flight Pedals. A few days ago I also bought the (Logitech G) Saitek Radio, Switch and Multi Panel. These Saitek panels are so nice. They are Very Cheap (70$, 80$ and about 90$) and for that you get a very realistic feeling.
It's been years since I last played a Flight Simulator.. Even FS X I didn't play much.. I used to play Jet Fighter games (like F22 Lightning II, or F15, F117) and older versions of Flight Simulator, back in the day. Unfortunately my old (CH Products) Force FX F16 joystick, that I bought used back then, doesn't work properly nowadays. Specially because it's not USB so II have to use an USB to Gameport adapter... I could use a PS4 controller, just for fun, but , for example, I never played much Elite Dangerous because using a PS4 controller didn't feel "natural".. Too many buttons to map in weird places, no proper speed controls, etc.. Flight Simulator has a special place in my heart. My mother remembers the "white noise" sound of the turbines while I played it in our Living Room. I remember when I took off and landed a concord using only my keyboard when I was a child. Or when I landed a 747 on a field (also using Keyboards). I just bought an X52.. Was the best cost X benefit option for me at the moment, for any kind of set of joystick/yoke+ throttle controller..
All other options of Joysticks or Yokes were more expensive.. Fortunately I was able to find it, brand new, for around 30% less than anywhere else around here. I consider it as an "investment", but with all budget constraints considered. I hope I made a good choice..
“That guy” should have bought himself a small old car gutted it ( one that had been in a front end smash and written off since you would be chopping the front off at the firewall anyway ) completely refitted it with modular components and then mounted the cockpit on his moving rig. Along with replacing the Windows with monitors of course,
Yep Got my Acer predator triton 500 laptop yesterday and instantly downloaded it and I’ve just crashed for the 20th time and can’t land yet but so immersive and addictive. Enjoying the learning as I’m an FPS gamer but look forward to learning more
I just bought a warthog, some Thrustmaster T flight pedals, and oculus rift s. First time playing flight sim. This warthog is insane, definately just buy it. First time playing a flight sim for me. Want a good experience.
Haha. I got 12k in 737 320 and 330 just recently did my acrobatic on an Extra find myself here checking for gear to improve my 300 skills..thanks for the video
I am slowly but surely moving fron only ETS2/ATS trucking to flight sims again. currently waiting for my Thrustmaster TCA Officer Pack Airbus Edition to arrive . I have my G29 wheel and shifter as extra buttons if needed and basicly making keyboard less needed and pedals waiting to be replaced by actual flight sim pedals. For drone camera i have dualshock 4 . after that slowly building a home cockpit plan is to get an honeycomb Alpha flight controls for certain planes or go bat grazy and get Virtual Fly Yoko + ....... thats the dream at least
I have fond memories of sitting in my uncles basement for hours and hours playing Microsoft flight sim. Way back in 2006 he had a Microsoft flight stick it wasn’t anything crazy but flying from Seattle to Boston in first person looking around at the age of 7 was amazing. I got out of the flight sim game for years after sadly never knew why. Now with my dream pc built I plan on coming back and making that trek again Seattle to Boston for nostalgia alone. Gonna pick use a controller at first. Cause pandemic is making it hard for me to find a good budget joystick in the states right now.
I know it’s mainly a combat joystick/throttle, but I just bought myself the T-flight hotas one which is £70 and I find it great(it’s throttle and joystick) I didn’t really have a choice though because it’s the only one certified to work with Xbox.
I had a Saitek 35-t and 36-f set of controllers way back in the day. I thought they were great. Build quality was top notch, the ergonomics were fantastic (they wouldn't have been that good for people with medium to small hands) and the programming was usually easy for 95% of my games that benefited from such hardware. The software was above average and downloading updates was quick and easy. Time passes and Saitek releases the X-45 (stick and throttle). So I gave my old controllers away and got the X-45. Just a few physical changes and better software than my old set and the build quality was the same but...there was (in my opinion) a REdesign flaw, at the base of the stick. After using it during several intense online gaming sessions of Mechwarrior 4 (vengeance and mercenaries), the supporting area under the spring developed a large crack and this made the thing I was controlling drift to the right unless I pulled the stick straight up. That was no good. What I want is the 35t and 36f with the X-45 software. Is there anything even remotely similar to what I want out on the market?
Closest thing to that is the rhino x56. It is pretty good, but not perfect. The throttle is almost spot on (few small issues) and the joystick is very plastic and cheap, but perfectly functional (although it lacks smoothness you get with the thrustmaster sidestick). TBH there is a gap in the market for well built + reasonably priced devices.
I recently just sold my Saitek X-55, X-52 and bought the TCA Airbus pack. I will never use the buttons on the Warthog, but I would still love the precision and functionality of the HALL sensors, so it was a easy decision. I'll be buying the upgrade modules, speedbrakes and flaps when they come out. That combined with an 85" 4K TV will be beautiful. I mainly fly GA aircraft, but will use the PMDG 777 once it comes available.
Good luck getting any of these right now. I've been looking around online, and pretty much everything is sold out. Trying to play with keyboard is pretty much impossible, there is absolutely no way to ease into anything, makes learning an unpleasant experience.
Bought that Joystick last week, can't wait to use an ancient stick with the most advanced flight sim ever made 😅 I don't care though, all I wanna do is fly over Vegas and crash into me nans house. (Sorry Nan)
If it does still work, and it should, it works well with FS2020 with minimum set up. I prefer to use it with FS2020 instead of trying to set up my CH Yoke tbh. Flying something like the airbus 320neo it makes more sense to use a joystick to replicate the side stick and will be better when they eventually add helicopters to FS.
If you want to feel better about not having the gimbal.. He could only ever experience 1G "acceleration" Yes, that is 1G more than us, but still only 1G. Though depending on what motors he has, he could always spin the hell out of it.
You totally should. I invested in a TM Hotas 4 for FSX. It still is going strong and hopefully will let me have tons of hours of fun like I had with FSX. You will not regret it.
Excellent overview. I've got both a Saitek Yoke with panel setup along with the X52 Hotas joystick. Both of those are really good pieces of kit but the funny thing is that I use my good old Logitech Extreme 3D pro most of the time! It is a fantastic cheaper option with a ton of programmable buttons.
Currently using a Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X along with a Logitech throttle quadrant, I plan on buying a Honeycomb yoke as well as the throttle quadrant, and either the Logitech or Thrustmaster rudder pedals to start. Also thinking of getting the Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus edition for aircraft that have a stick rather than a yoke as it uses Hall Effect sensors rather than potentiometers. I also plan on the Logitech Pro flight radio panel as well as Air Manager, which I'll use with either a second PC or possibly an Android tablet.
Best setup for a civilian sim is virtual fly products.Pricey as hell but best feeling of all yoke and rudder controls.heck even the throttles are superb!
VKB gladiator 2 good modular which can be enhanced on, I have this with X56 throttle unit and Logitech rudder pedals, the joystick is very precise. This allows lots of buttons to map the plethora of DCS commands
This blew my mind (like I knew there was high end stuff but didn’t realise that high end) I saw a hori stick for Xbox one which will use on the series x (tbh this is one of the games I’m most looking forward too)
Very good quality video - nice one ..just pre ordered the airbus side stick/ throttles(well soon) and desk bracket and now don't know what to do with my Warthog set? and desk mounts, not even used them in anger yet but sometimes visual correctness is everything right!!!!! keep them coming..
Just received the new Virpil Alpha stick/WarBRD base and their new MongoosT-50CM2 throttle. ...my first HOTAS and flight sim (will be MFS2020). I've never tried any HOTAS before this, but this is very nice indeed!
Great video. I´m still using my x52 HOTAS which I´m still happy with, but planning to get the Bravo Throttle Quadrant in addition. I thought about the Thrustmaster airbus quadrant, but prefer the Honeycomb device since it is more flexible in terms of setup. Anyway, let´s kneel down for Flight Simulator 2020 ;-)
I've got the Thrustmaster Flight Hotas One, haven't played Flight Simulator since FS X, dabbled with IL-2 Sturmovik over the years. Really looking forward to getting back into it now I have the PC to run it all at its best.
Bought me a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro last week. Feels great in the hand. Tried it out in Battlefield 1, but it sucks cuz its a dead game and I'm flying around in an empty server in Air Assault.
Microsoft should've supported VR from the start with hands recognition and that way you don't need extra hardware controls, you could just flip switches and sticks on the virtual cockpit. That's the ultimate immersion, to actually know how to use all the gear in the cockpit as in a real plane.
Hope your Well Mike I bought Fishing Barents Sea a few days ago- really enjoying the chilled nature but this so needs VR support that would make it fantastically different. Looking forward to FS2020 and TSW 2 too many new Sim for August. Regards Rob aka Artful
I will be a new flight sim junkie only in MSafS 2020 has proper triple screen support! I have a very nice triple screen racing sim and will happily set it up for flight but only if I can get a not stretched image across the 3 screens! Hope to see you in the air.
@@SimUKReviews What name? its just what i am :p Sucks about the triples :( I wont buy it till it works , i cat imagine playing on a single 27" screen after my thousands of hours in triples for racing sims . #NoTriplesNoBuy
Nice vid 👌 I'm after a warthog hotas for Arma3, DCS & X-Plane. Saving my pennies 🙏🏾 always liked the buttkicker. I got the SIETEK Pro fight but gonna sell the Yoke, throttle and other units like Radio, autopilot & general avionics to fund the deal as I'm done with VRF flight.. Will keep the rudders tho
I own the Yoko+, TQ6+, and some of the Saitek Pro Flight panels. They work really well with XPlane, and I’m hoping that MSFS will eventually equal XP in hardware support.
i'm with an xbox one controller and a Valve Index for when the VR version will be available! I was never a sim fan, but i pre-ordered MSFS 2020 since it looks fantastic, i will give it a try and if i see that i like it i may go for a Thrustmaster Hotas later in the year, if not, then MSFS 2020 will be another game in my "tried-but-didn't-like-it" list :D
Waiting on my honeycome throttle quadrant coming, pre ordered last year. But I can recommend their yoke. also can recommend the crosswind rudder pedals had them for years and the thrustmaster warthog stick and throttle.
If you are unsure, try it for one month on MS Gamepass. Only costs £1. Standard Edition of FS2020 is included. From what I've seen, mouse+keyboard and also XBOX pad are well supported in the sim. That's the cheap route I'm going initially, just to see if my enthusiasm lasts before spending proper money.
Waiting for that Airbus throttle. Currently have the VKB gladiator Mk2 but I would love to have a throttle perfect for MFS 2020 and perhaps IL 2 and Arma 3. Maybe DCS once I switch my brain on :)
Thank you ! I am thinking about getting the Thrustmaster 16000 three piece thingy, the one with joystick, rudderpedals and a throttle. A good start for msfs2020 ?
Same here. I got the yoke, pedals, quadrants and a couple of panels for FSX on the pc that I haven't used in years. Would they be compatible with MSFS 2020 on the xbox one or are they strictly for the pc version?
I would say that a VR headset + controllers without any dedicated sim controllers is also a decent beginner setup that can easily scale up to more advanced configurations. It will likely not be supported right at launch, but MS said it will be supported at least on some headsets this year. You will lose the physical feedback, but you get to directly interact with any instruments in the cockpit with your hands, almost like having a 1:1 replica of the real cockpit in your room.
Yeah, but woudl be really nice to be able to switch to screen and controllers - mid flight. Without need to restart game. Would be nice to fly on screen, watch youtube and switch to VR for landing only.
Great video, as usual, man. Thank you. Do you think that if I buy the TCA Airbus set then I might be a bit constrained once I use it to fly a prop? Can I use the two throttles to control power and mix? What about 3/4 engine planes? :) btw... THIS GUY... oh man :D
Having a very difficult time getting my Saitek X52 Pro working correctly in MSFS 2020. First, I am a Real Pilot, Comm, Instr, Multi, FE. I have 2 flight sim computers that were built for me by a very great company in FL. I have been flying FSX for 7 years now with my Saitek X52 Pro with no issues. I have come to realize a huge difference between FSX and MSFS 2020 in that there is no VC, Virtual Cockpit in MSFS, rather all kinds of different camera angles and positions and very frustrating in trying to set these up. I have watched your tutorial in which I was able to improve the throttle movement, still has a slight twitch. I have watched several tutorials showing smooth movement around the inside of the cockpit and wonder what controller these folks are using. I would appreciate any help in this area. For now, I am back into my FSX Sim which works great. Regards, Asticou
Mate. Need to ask a quick question. Will the Saitek/Logitech Pro flight panels work with FS 2020? I ask because I've already bought a couple and not being a Beta tester I have no way of knowing. Keep on keeping on! 🛩👍✝
I have the saitek/logitech pro flight set with multi, switch and radio panel and three flight instrument panels. I hope msfs2020 will support those panels
I have the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke system with the throttle quadrant & pedals but haven’t used them since maybe 2010! I don’t have a PC anymore only laptops but may have to buy a gaming PC for Flight Sim 2020. It sucks that Xbox & PS4 aren’t compatible with Saitek yoke systems!
It is a really useful review - I do appreciate your comments. Of course, everyone has own preferences about yokes & joysticks. I finished to build a PC dedicated for MSFS and I want to finally start my advanture with this sim. I'm an airliner enthusiast, so I'd like to use TCA Thrustmaster Airbus Joystick, Seitek Pro rudder pedals and Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant - I know, it looks like a mix of the products, but after many reviews and opinions, it seems to be a good set to start. What do you think?
Up until now I used a Genius Metal Strike Pro. Unfortunately the potentiometer that's activeted by the twist grip function either developed a fault or the wiring might have come loose since Unless I hold the stick in a very particular way, I always get a left rudder hardover. I once tried to open it up and see if I could sort it out, but the screws that join the two halves of the stick are jammed. Nearly broke my screwdriver trying to open it. So today, in preparation for the release of MSF 2020 decided to order a Thrustmaster T.16000m FCS. with plans of later getting the Thrustmaster T flight rudder pedals. Might expand further at a later date.
I have an option. I will be buying my setup near the end of the year when I have money, but that does not matter. I will get a Honeycomb Yoke and a Honeycomb Throttle Quadrant too. Don’t know about the rudder yet.
I've got a Virpil Constellation Alpha right hand joystick, VKB Glaidator-K left hand joystick, and Mongoos T50 throttle that I mostly use for space sims. So I don't think I have a problem in the controls department. My main issue is that I have a data cap on my internet connection so I don't know if I can use the highest fidelity maps without using too much data.
Currently have the Logitech X-56 but ghosting buttons have been a regular issue and I would like to upgrade for FS2020. Also have the Saitek Pro flight pedals, yoke and throttle quad. I'm considering getting a set of their Control/Instrument panels but am curious to see if any other option become available after release of FS2020. I'm curious about what the Thrustmaster TCA line might offer in the future. I've just come across your channel and have appreciated the hardware reviews.
@WolfeCanada I had used a hub to fix the issue before on an old rig. It didn't solve the issue / it came back on my new setup. It got better after turning off the back lighting but still happens every now and then an usually at the worst time possible. Thanx thou.
Ordered the Honey Comb Alpha and Beta. Still not sure about what padels though. Had the Saitek i was pretty happy with it so probably go back to it again. Also got the opencockpit mcp white digits. But sold everyting when i became a daddy.
Thanks for the info. I have never used a flight simulator but have a small amount of understanding as I have watched it’s development post E3. I do plan on learning to fly on it. From a hardware perspective, I’m all good with a high end PC and GPU, display will be Samsung Odessey G9 49” 1000R curve and I’ll use the same simulator seating system I use for GT3 car racing (what I usually do). But I’m still at a quandary about what control system to use. I use steering wheels so I do think something similar will be correct. Perhaps you could make a call. I have looked at DCS Supercarrier and HOTAS W, but I think it’s way to complex to start with. Thanks again for your insight. J:)
Hi J, if you're thinking about combat fighters at all, then a HOTAS system will cover you for both that and any airliner you might want to try too. A Yoke system is far more bespoke, it is for hardcore V.pilots who are looking for extra realism; but only applies to aircraft which have a yoke in themselves. So once you know if you want HOTAS/Yoke system, then is all comes down to preference & budget.
Sim UK Thank you for reply. I just want to learn how to fly. DCS is way down the line for me. I simply need to take off a Cessna and land in CFS. Thank you for replying. J:)
Sim UK No specific budget, I’d rather buy high end, even if I barely utilise it initially, but can move on as I learn. Same has applied in GT3 racing - I’m from that sector anyway, so I had no issues, only I simply did not realise the potential of direct drive steering systems, which I now utilise with genuine GT3 steering wheels and control systems.
In the early 90's, from the USA, I purchased the Thrustmaster joystick ( like an F18 style), separate Throttles and foot operated rudders, for the PC games. It's been in a box for over twenty five years. Is this stuff still compatible with modern program/simulators ? Thanks
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Well, now I'm thinking that it might just be easier and less expensive to get an actual pilot's license and my own plane.
lol
If only that was true non of us would use flight sims. Biggest problem in UK is hangarage.
Build your own plane with a kit, then learn on it and get a license. Cheapest way I can imagine being an actual pilot, about storing it you need to pick a rural airfield with no ATC, maybe not even paved to save on costs.
@MrDoomFinder I'd only trust a plane I build and maintain, consequently why most aircraft techs are afraid to fly 😂
The airframe of the kit you're buying must be well tested though, that's the only thing to look out for.
So, funny it is just a game...
I was a bit scared looking into this pricing but coming from the world of sim racing and spending in the realm of $1500 just on my direct drive racing wheel alone I’m actually relieved at the price of the Saitek setup. I think I’m gonna make a dedicated setup for flight. Being able to fly anywhere on the planet in Microsoft’s new sim looks absolutely amazing.
the siatek is great and youll like it a lot but if you can the extra cahs for the hoceycomb is well worth it.
Exactly the same for me.
oh yes and then there is this guy, lol
Lol I play with a vr headset but damn I wish I had that
I've had my CH fighter stick, pro throttle and pro pedals since 2013. Just ordered a honeycomb yoke. Can't wait. I highly recommend CH as budget items. They are rugged and work with ease.
I've had a Black Widow for years. It is still the smoothest set up that I've got. I've also got a Sitec set up Yoke, quadrant and pedals. While more immersive I find that the yoke has a large null zone.
Yeah, flying chair thing, awesome.
Hi Simon. My original Saitek yoke also had a massive deadline, better on the Cessna.
I got the thrust master t flight hotas 1. I find it to be a good budget controller for this. Always nice when you see it instantly recognized and auto configured for the game 🙂
Should've mentioned Track IR! It's such an upgrade from using a HAT switch or a mouse. Once you go to headtracking you can never go back.
Oh SNAP! Youre so right, darn it!
Until you buy in to VR. Bye bye flat screen gaming. :)
@@crooker2 VR is cool but I don't really like it for long periods. Plus I like seeing my switches IRL
@@generic_4938 Of course, it's all personal preference. I love VR, and can't get nearly the same level of immersion out of a flat screen as I can in VR. But to each their own. I respect everyone's opinion.
Is track ir compatible in the new flight simulator? I read that it wasn’t
After seeing those insane home rigs, at that point I would have just paid for actual flight school
That's the thing, you're not buying a controller for a game you are investing in yourself. If i recall you have to have so many hours on a sim before you're even allowed to step foot in a cockpit for real (unassisted/with no teacher), so those setups might be from people actually striving to become airline pilots or flying in the military and given the current state of the world right now it's actually a valid thing to do. But yes it's something that mere mortals can only dream of
I have just got myself the Thrustmaster Warthog with throttle and some T Flight Rudder Pedals. Flying IL2 in VR is incredible :)
I use the Thrustmaster warthog Stick and In love it. First you have to use it a bit because its hard to use but after some time it becomes easier
Overpriced poop 💩
to have no arms and no legs is also " hard at first "
@@fraenkiegoodboy1760 what you mean?
@@wolfsgesicht3032 jealous I think wolf lol. 😆
That TCA office pack Airbus edition looks good and at a decent price. Makes me start thinking about getting the simulator.
Yep cant get in until late September
I bought a few months ago the Thrustmaster Warthog. The quality and the feeling is so great! Its so heavy and it feels like you're really flying a plane! I also bought togheter the Thrustmaster T Flight Pedals. A few days ago I also bought the (Logitech G) Saitek Radio, Switch and Multi Panel. These Saitek panels are so nice. They are Very Cheap (70$, 80$ and about 90$) and for that you get a very realistic feeling.
totally lost it at "and then there's this guy", great vid!
It's been years since I last played a Flight Simulator.. Even FS X I didn't play much.. I used to play Jet Fighter games (like F22 Lightning II, or F15, F117) and older versions of Flight Simulator, back in the day.
Unfortunately my old (CH Products) Force FX F16 joystick, that I bought used back then, doesn't work properly nowadays. Specially because it's not USB so II have to use an USB to Gameport adapter...
I could use a PS4 controller, just for fun, but , for example, I never played much Elite Dangerous because using a PS4 controller didn't feel "natural".. Too many buttons to map in weird places, no proper speed controls, etc..
Flight Simulator has a special place in my heart. My mother remembers the "white noise" sound of the turbines while I played it in our Living Room.
I remember when I took off and landed a concord using only my keyboard when I was a child. Or when I landed a 747 on a field (also using Keyboards).
I just bought an X52.. Was the best cost X benefit option for me at the moment, for any kind of set of joystick/yoke+ throttle controller..
All other options of Joysticks or Yokes were more expensive.. Fortunately I was able to find it, brand new, for around 30% less than anywhere else around here.
I consider it as an "investment", but with all budget constraints considered.
I hope I made a good choice..
X52 is a firm favorite for many flight sim fans
“That guy” should have bought himself a small old car gutted it ( one that had been in a front end smash and written off since you would be chopping the front off at the firewall anyway ) completely refitted it with modular components and then mounted the cockpit on his moving rig. Along with replacing the Windows with monitors of course,
Yep
Got my Acer predator triton 500 laptop yesterday and instantly downloaded it and I’ve just crashed for the 20th time and can’t land yet but so immersive and addictive.
Enjoying the learning as I’m an FPS gamer but look forward to learning more
And obviously thank you for taking time to upload 🙏🏻
TY for watching
I just bought a warthog, some Thrustmaster T flight pedals, and oculus rift s. First time playing flight sim. This warthog is insane, definately just buy it. First time playing a flight sim for me. Want a good experience.
Since you're going to fly MS2020 with VR I have to ask you... What sort of gamingrig are you equipped with? o.O
Yeah I also bought a few months ago the Thrustmaster T Flight pedals and the Warthog! Just amazing!
Got me a warthog to, hoping it will work fine on the FS2020!
@@anbrod1 It will work fine with MFS! :)
Haha. I got 12k in 737 320 and 330 just recently did my acrobatic on an Extra find myself here checking for gear to improve my 300 skills..thanks for the video
And then there’s this guy (shows every flight sim enthusiasts dream)
I have the Saitek X56
Had it for 2 years and still feels new... the throttle especially is smooth and decent build
Great device by all accounts.
I am slowly but surely moving fron only ETS2/ATS trucking to flight sims again. currently waiting for my Thrustmaster TCA Officer Pack Airbus Edition to arrive . I have my G29 wheel and shifter as extra buttons if needed and basicly making keyboard less needed and pedals waiting to be replaced by actual flight sim pedals. For drone camera i have dualshock 4 . after that slowly building a home cockpit
plan is to get an honeycomb Alpha flight controls for certain planes or go bat grazy and get Virtual Fly Yoko + ....... thats the dream at least
Sounds like an awesome dream!
I have fond memories of sitting in my uncles basement for hours and hours playing Microsoft flight sim. Way back in 2006 he had a Microsoft flight stick it wasn’t anything crazy but flying from Seattle to Boston in first person looking around at the age of 7 was amazing. I got out of the flight sim game for years after sadly never knew why. Now with my dream pc built I plan on coming back and making that trek again Seattle to Boston for nostalgia alone. Gonna pick use a controller at first. Cause pandemic is making it hard for me to find a good budget joystick in the states right now.
Fantastic memories I'm sure Benman. I hope you find a suitable stick quickly.
I know it’s mainly a combat joystick/throttle, but I just bought myself the T-flight hotas one which is £70 and I find it great(it’s throttle and joystick) I didn’t really have a choice though because it’s the only one certified to work with Xbox.
It looks decent enough.
I had a Saitek 35-t and 36-f set of controllers way back in the day. I thought they were great. Build quality was top notch, the ergonomics were fantastic (they wouldn't have been that good for people with medium to small hands) and the programming was usually easy for 95% of my games that benefited from such hardware. The software was above average and downloading updates was quick and easy. Time passes and Saitek releases the X-45 (stick and throttle). So I gave my old controllers away and got the X-45. Just a few physical changes and better software than my old set and the build quality was the same but...there was (in my opinion) a REdesign flaw, at the base of the stick. After using it during several intense online gaming sessions of Mechwarrior 4 (vengeance and mercenaries), the supporting area under the spring developed a large crack and this made the thing I was controlling drift to the right unless I pulled the stick straight up. That was no good. What I want is the 35t and 36f with the X-45 software. Is there anything even remotely similar to what I want out on the market?
Closest thing to that is the rhino x56. It is pretty good, but not perfect.
The throttle is almost spot on (few small issues) and the joystick is very plastic and cheap, but perfectly functional (although it lacks smoothness you get with the thrustmaster sidestick).
TBH there is a gap in the market for well built + reasonably priced devices.
Excellent Buyer's Guide Myk. Showcasing possible head tracking units and virtual headsets should be your next guide for MS 2020.
Agreed! Pobably Should have been in this list lol
I recently just sold my Saitek X-55, X-52 and bought the TCA Airbus pack. I will never use the buttons on the Warthog, but I would still love the precision and functionality of the HALL sensors, so it was a easy decision. I'll be buying the upgrade modules, speedbrakes and flaps when they come out. That combined with an 85" 4K TV will be beautiful. I mainly fly GA aircraft, but will use the PMDG 777 once it comes available.
85" !!!! That's like 2xMy TV in my Lounge!
lol Fair play Tristan ;-)
Good luck getting any of these right now. I've been looking around online, and pretty much everything is sold out. Trying to play with keyboard is pretty much impossible, there is absolutely no way to ease into anything, makes learning an unpleasant experience.
Wait for a month and buy second hand, bargains galore!
Brand new flight simmer here, and I can't wait for launch! Appreciate the video!
Saitek Rhino x-56 here. Works awesome.
I plan on coming back to flight sim after yeaaars. Still got a logitech extreme 3d pro from back in the day with FSX. Hopefully it still works lol
It does it just kinda sucks now
Bought that Joystick last week, can't wait to use an ancient stick with the most advanced flight sim ever made 😅 I don't care though, all I wanna do is fly over Vegas and crash into me nans house. (Sorry Nan)
ShayK47 oh shit
Great joystick, used it very effectively in BF3 with helos. Got a brand new one ready to go for this sim.
If it does still work, and it should, it works well with FS2020 with minimum set up. I prefer to use it with FS2020 instead of trying to set up my CH Yoke tbh. Flying something like the airbus 320neo it makes more sense to use a joystick to replicate the side stick and will be better when they eventually add helicopters to FS.
If you want to feel better about not having the gimbal.. He could only ever experience 1G "acceleration" Yes, that is 1G more than us, but still only 1G.
Though depending on what motors he has, he could always spin the hell out of it.
Was going to use KB & Mouse but I might just make an investment for this game.
You totally should. I invested in a TM Hotas 4 for FSX. It still is going strong and hopefully will let me have tons of hours of fun like I had with FSX. You will not regret it.
Excellent overview. I've got both a Saitek Yoke with panel setup along with the X52 Hotas joystick. Both of those are really good pieces of kit but the funny thing is that I use my good old Logitech Extreme 3D pro most of the time! It is a fantastic cheaper option with a ton of programmable buttons.
Nice! Nearly grabbed an L3D for 30 quid, even though I do t need it lol.
Currently using a Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X along with a Logitech throttle quadrant, I plan on buying a Honeycomb yoke as well as the throttle quadrant, and either the Logitech or Thrustmaster rudder pedals to start. Also thinking of getting the Thrustmaster TCA Sidestick Airbus edition for aircraft that have a stick rather than a yoke as it uses Hall Effect sensors rather than potentiometers. I also plan on the Logitech Pro flight radio panel as well as Air Manager, which I'll use with either a second PC or possibly an Android tablet.
Best setup for a civilian sim is virtual fly products.Pricey as hell but best feeling of all yoke and rudder controls.heck even the throttles are superb!
Wish I could afford that.
@@SimUKReviews yeah me too.FS2020 looks so good that it might be worth it to take a loan LOL
VKB gladiator 2 good modular which can be enhanced on, I have this with X56 throttle unit and Logitech rudder pedals, the joystick is very precise. This allows lots of buttons to map the plethora of DCS commands
Yes, I was going to add the gladiator but couldn't locate a price.
Thanks mate for the video , i was searching for that kind of videos
Hope it helps
This blew my mind (like I knew there was high end stuff but didn’t realise that high end) I saw a hori stick for Xbox one which will use on the series x (tbh this is one of the games I’m most looking forward too)
lol yeah. Make sure you research the hori, some good some not so much.
Cheers.
Very good quality video - nice one ..just pre ordered the airbus side stick/ throttles(well soon) and desk bracket and now don't know what to do with my Warthog set? and desk mounts, not even used them in anger yet but sometimes visual correctness is everything right!!!!! keep them coming..
Colin M in this chat is looking to buy a warthog?
7.00: Jaw drops. Checks has bought lotto ticket ...
if i win the lotto....ill just grab me a plane
@@davef00te I hear A380s are cheap right now! B-)
Nah 737 max buy one get one lol
Just received the new Virpil Alpha stick/WarBRD base and their new MongoosT-50CM2 throttle. ...my first HOTAS and flight sim (will be MFS2020). I've never tried any HOTAS before this, but this is very nice indeed!
Oh wow, I will have to Google that. Do you have a link?
@@SimUKReviews here's the link to Virpil: virpil-controls.eu/
I've been setting it up with Elite. Feels like flying an expensive ship.
Great video. I´m still using my x52 HOTAS which I´m still happy with, but planning to get the Bravo Throttle Quadrant in addition. I thought about the Thrustmaster airbus quadrant, but prefer the Honeycomb device since it is more flexible in terms of setup. Anyway, let´s kneel down for Flight Simulator 2020 ;-)
I've got the Thrustmaster Flight Hotas One, haven't played Flight Simulator since FS X, dabbled with IL-2 Sturmovik over the years. Really looking forward to getting back into it now I have the PC to run it all at its best.
Bought me a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro last week. Feels great in the hand. Tried it out in Battlefield 1, but it sucks cuz its a dead game and I'm flying around in an empty server in Air Assault.
Rise of Flight is a decent WWI combat sim. (I enjoy it anyways) : th-cam.com/video/QE44woGBiyA/w-d-xo.html
and then theres this guy..... =D
I just wish i could afford the game and I wish my computer could handle it but then you have these Donnies with these setups lol
Microsoft should've supported VR from the start with hands recognition and that way you don't need extra hardware controls, you could just flip switches and sticks on the virtual cockpit. That's the ultimate immersion, to actually know how to use all the gear in the cockpit as in a real plane.
One day my precious! I am now a subscriber.
Welcome!
Hope your Well Mike I bought Fishing Barents Sea a few days ago- really enjoying the chilled nature but this so needs VR support that would make it fantastically different. Looking forward to FS2020 and TSW 2 too many new Sim for August. Regards Rob aka Artful
Cheera Rob, and more that you won't have heard about too ;-)
Sim UK: "and then there is this Guy !!"
Me: "WTF" :-O
Thank for the informative video im thinking of purchasing the blue airbus sidestick and maybe ill get the throttle quadrant later.
I'm totally new to this. Will I need a different yoke setup for each of the planes or are they programmable for each of the planes?
No just 1 device can be configured for any aircraft ( e great if we had config for each plane)
I think the most immersive for people on a budget would be the modular one with a VR headset.
Gee, at least you are being honest that these sticks are "budget" and not "best" like all those weird "review" channels....
We make honest reviews.
I will be a new flight sim junkie only in MSafS 2020 has proper triple screen support! I have a very nice triple screen racing sim and will happily set it up for flight but only if I can get a not stretched image across the 3 screens! Hope to see you in the air.
Hey 2ndLastJedi
@@SimUKReviews What name? its just what i am :p
Sucks about the triples :( I wont buy it till it works , i cat imagine playing on a single 27" screen after my thousands of hours in triples for racing sims .
#NoTriplesNoBuy
LOL it is coming, and who knows might even work day 1? :-)
As someone interested in MS flight sim, I picked up a T16000.M hotas set last week to get ready for the release. Should do just fine for a while.
I have the turtle beach velocity one yoke and I’m getting the Thrustmaster T Flight Hotas 1 for Christmas
Nice, what do you fly?
Received my RTX3080 today.
Valve Index VR headset ready... just need a proper controller.
Quarantine life is good (:
That's Awesome!
And I'm NOT even jealous, wait Not Even Jealous 😒
OK I'm a little jealous still 900 people between me and my 3080 lol.
Have fun!
Nice vid 👌
I'm after a warthog hotas for Arma3, DCS & X-Plane. Saving my pennies 🙏🏾 always liked the buttkicker. I got the SIETEK Pro fight but gonna sell the Yoke, throttle and other units like Radio, autopilot & general avionics to fund the deal as I'm done with VRF flight.. Will keep the rudders tho
Hey Colin, I'm looking to complete my Saitek pro system, & I know of someone selling a Warthog. Which pro flight systems do you have?
Thanks - this is exactly what I needed.
if you fly vr, recommend the T16000M trio, you need as much buttons in your hotas as posible so you don't take your hands off the controls.
I own the Yoko+, TQ6+, and some of the Saitek Pro Flight panels. They work really well with XPlane, and I’m hoping that MSFS will eventually equal XP in hardware support.
Very nice! I hope they do too, if they gave me ALPHA/BETA Access I could confirm, but alas no :-(
i'm with an xbox one controller and a Valve Index for when the VR version will be available!
I was never a sim fan, but i pre-ordered MSFS 2020 since it looks fantastic, i will give it a try and if i see that i like it i may go for a Thrustmaster Hotas later in the year, if not, then MSFS 2020 will be another game in my "tried-but-didn't-like-it" list :D
I have along list of those!
Waiting on my honeycome throttle quadrant coming, pre ordered last year. But I can recommend their yoke. also can recommend the crosswind rudder pedals had them for years and the thrustmaster warthog stick and throttle.
Was hoping to get my hands on a honeycomb, is it true it has zero dead spot?
Don't suppose your running it on p3D are you?
@@SimUKReviews No only used in Xplane 11. It's very precise allowing for more delicate input especially on landing.
Nice.
amazing video!! Thank you for your work!
I still don't know if I should really get flight sim, but if I do, this is going to be really helpful. Thanks
Great
If you are unsure, try it for one month on MS Gamepass. Only costs £1. Standard Edition of FS2020 is included. From what I've seen, mouse+keyboard and also XBOX pad are well supported in the sim. That's the cheap route I'm going initially, just to see if my enthusiasm lasts before spending proper money.
@@trickyrat483 good idea
Waiting for that Airbus throttle. Currently have the VKB gladiator Mk2 but I would love to have a throttle perfect for MFS 2020 and perhaps IL 2 and Arma 3. Maybe DCS once I switch my brain on :)
You dont need the last spinny rig thingy if you just get high before playing.
Naughty!
thanks for the tips it really helped me
Thank you ! I am thinking about getting the Thrustmaster 16000 three piece thingy, the one with joystick, rudderpedals and a throttle. A good start for msfs2020 ?
Good choice!
Hi, I have the saitek yoke, switch panel, trim and rudder pedals. Only the Yoke is recognised by just purchased MSFS2020 any help would be great
Same here. Some say spad.next works, some say it does not. Limbo.
Same here. I got the yoke, pedals, quadrants and a couple of panels for FSX on the pc that I haven't used in years. Would they be compatible with MSFS 2020 on the xbox one or are they strictly for the pc version?
@@synaptik111 unlikely to ever work on XB TBH but maybe XBX will surprise us all.
Great video!
A good but not expensive yoke is the best way to learn to fly in games
A yoke is not essential of course, a decent HOTAS will suffice. :-)
i only subbed for the promise of seeing your setups. =)
Then I shall honour that promise kwyjibo!
Currently using an X56 Pro HOTAS, next thing on my list is a throttle quadrant 🙂
Checkout the honeycomb.
Yeah, been looking at those, a bit rich for my blood at present lol
Good luck getting any of these... I don't know if it was a scalper situation... seems like it.
I would say that a VR headset + controllers without any dedicated sim controllers is also a decent beginner setup that can easily scale up to more advanced configurations. It will likely not be supported right at launch, but MS said it will be supported at least on some headsets this year. You will lose the physical feedback, but you get to directly interact with any instruments in the cockpit with your hands, almost like having a 1:1 replica of the real cockpit in your room.
Yeah, but woudl be really nice to be able to switch to screen and controllers - mid flight. Without need to restart game. Would be nice to fly on screen, watch youtube and switch to VR for landing only.
watching this ahead of even getting my new pc to play this game
Cool, what are you getting Cole?
Thanks Mate! Great info!
Great video, as usual, man. Thank you. Do you think that if I buy the TCA Airbus set then I might be a bit constrained once I use it to fly a prop? Can I use the two throttles to control power and mix? What about 3/4 engine planes? :) btw... THIS GUY... oh man :D
Thanks Asky.
You can double up throttles for 3/4 engines and yes you can also split them for anything really.
As of 12/2020.... Whichever one you can still get your hands on
Good to know my HOTAS combo is at the top of the list in it's segment.
one day my precious , one day
Having a very difficult time getting my Saitek X52 Pro working correctly in MSFS 2020. First, I am a Real Pilot, Comm, Instr, Multi, FE.
I have 2 flight sim computers that were built for me by a very great company in FL. I have been flying FSX for 7 years now with my Saitek X52 Pro with no issues.
I have come to realize a huge difference between FSX and MSFS 2020 in that there is no VC, Virtual Cockpit in MSFS, rather all kinds of different camera angles and positions and very frustrating in trying to set these up. I have watched your tutorial in which I was able to improve the throttle movement, still has a slight twitch.
I have watched several tutorials showing smooth movement around the inside of the cockpit and wonder what controller these folks are using.
I would appreciate any help in this area. For now, I am back into my FSX Sim which works great.
Regards,
Asticou
Mate.
Need to ask a quick question. Will the Saitek/Logitech Pro flight panels work with FS 2020? I ask because I've already bought a couple and not being a Beta tester I have no way of knowing.
Keep on keeping on! 🛩👍✝
Thanks Blah, I'm not BETA either sadly, but I do think they will work.
@@SimUKReviews Yea, realised that bud. After I asked...Here's hoping. Thanks matey.
I have the saitek/logitech pro flight set with multi, switch and radio panel and three flight instrument panels. I hope msfs2020 will support those panels
So do I, as I also have those, guess we will all keep playing XP and FSX otherwise!
@@SimUKReviews i think spad.next will come up with something
Yea that has been the most frustrating thing so far. Hope they implement them before full release.
I have the Saitek Pro Flight Yoke system with the throttle quadrant & pedals but haven’t used them since maybe 2010! I don’t have a PC anymore only laptops but may have to buy a gaming PC for Flight Sim 2020. It sucks that Xbox & PS4 aren’t compatible with Saitek yoke systems!
Yes, some sort of converter would be great!
It is a really useful review - I do appreciate your comments. Of course, everyone has own preferences about yokes & joysticks. I finished to build a PC dedicated for MSFS and I want to finally start my advanture with this sim. I'm an airliner enthusiast, so I'd like to use TCA Thrustmaster Airbus Joystick, Seitek Pro rudder pedals and Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant - I know, it looks like a mix of the products, but after many reviews and opinions, it seems to be a good set to start. What do you think?
Hey Mateusz thanks for your comment.
I think that is a very decent configuration that will cover 99% of circumstances.
Up until now I used a Genius Metal Strike Pro. Unfortunately the potentiometer that's activeted by the twist grip function either developed a fault or the wiring might have come loose since Unless I hold the stick in a very particular way, I always get a left rudder hardover. I once tried to open it up and see if I could sort it out, but the screws that join the two halves of the stick are jammed. Nearly broke my screwdriver trying to open it. So today, in preparation for the release of MSF 2020 decided to order a Thrustmaster T.16000m FCS. with plans of later getting the Thrustmaster T flight rudder pedals. Might expand further at a later date.
I'm kind of figuring my old Microsoft Force Feedback 2 joystick should work fine.
I have an option. I will be buying my setup near the end of the year when I have money, but that does not matter. I will get a Honeycomb Yoke and a Honeycomb Throttle Quadrant too. Don’t know about the rudder yet.
Thanks so much for this video
Glad I could help.
I've got a Virpil Constellation Alpha right hand joystick, VKB Glaidator-K left hand joystick, and Mongoos T50 throttle that I mostly use for space sims. So I don't think I have a problem in the controls department. My main issue is that I have a data cap on my internet connection so I don't know if I can use the highest fidelity maps without using too much data.
Currently have the Logitech X-56 but ghosting buttons have been a regular issue and I would like to upgrade for FS2020.
Also have the Saitek Pro flight pedals, yoke and throttle quad. I'm considering getting a set of their Control/Instrument panels but am curious to see if any other option become available after release of FS2020. I'm curious about what the Thrustmaster TCA line might offer in the future.
I've just come across your channel and have appreciated the hardware reviews.
Hello Wayne, welcome.
@WolfeCanada I had used a hub to fix the issue before on an old rig. It didn't solve the issue / it came back on my new setup. It got better after turning off the back lighting but still happens every now and then an usually at the worst time possible. Thanx thou.
Ordered the Honey Comb Alpha and Beta. Still not sure about what padels though. Had the Saitek i was pretty happy with it so probably go back to it again. Also got the opencockpit mcp white digits. But sold everyting when i became a daddy.
Mine went in the cupboard lol
Thanks for the info. I have never used a flight simulator but have a small amount of understanding as I have watched it’s development post E3. I do plan on learning to fly on it. From a hardware perspective, I’m all good with a high end PC and GPU, display will be Samsung Odessey G9 49” 1000R curve and I’ll use the same simulator seating system I use for GT3 car racing (what I usually do). But I’m still at a quandary about what control system to use. I use steering wheels so I do think something similar will be correct. Perhaps you could make a call. I have looked at DCS Supercarrier and HOTAS W, but I think it’s way to complex to start with. Thanks again for your insight. J:)
Hi J, if you're thinking about combat fighters at all, then a HOTAS system will cover you for both that and any airliner you might want to try too.
A Yoke system is far more bespoke, it is for hardcore V.pilots who are looking for extra realism; but only applies to aircraft which have a yoke in themselves.
So once you know if you want HOTAS/Yoke system, then is all comes down to preference & budget.
Sim UK Thank you for reply. I just want to learn how to fly. DCS is way down the line for me. I simply need to take off a Cessna and land in CFS.
Thank you for replying.
J:)
Perhaps you might answer my original question ... what control equipment should I buy as a biginner?
@@jonhart9176 Well the choice is ultimately yours, your budget will dictate what you can afford. Do you have a budget in mind?
Sim UK No specific budget, I’d rather buy high end, even if I barely utilise it initially, but can move on as I learn. Same has applied in GT3 racing - I’m from that sector anyway, so I had no issues, only I simply did not realise the potential of direct drive steering systems, which I now utilise with genuine GT3 steering wheels and control systems.
I've owned a T Flight Stick X v4 for a decade and a few days ago the potentiometers started crapping out on me. Oh well. Hence why I'm here.
Why are the sticks on all these right hand I fly left hand and I’m confused.
Thrustmaster have ambidextrous joysticks....not sure about throttle controllers...maybe the Airliner versions are suitable??
Hahaha imagine being that last guy and getting into a flat spin. I think ill stick with my mouse and keyboard thanks
Blurrrggggggggg!
I bought the Thrustmaster Airbus today, it is really very cool
I have the Saitek X52 and that works for me just fine
Yes, a very fine device :-)
@@SimUKReviews The only problem i have now is the software doesn't work properly when i try and program it's functions
Ahhh, yes. Could always try a 3rd party config...Steam has a built in one?
@@SimUKReviews Lovely, how can i find one please?
Do you have steam?
If Yes : support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9394-yofv-0014
If No: www.x360ce.com/
Prob lots more TBH.
In the early 90's, from the USA, I purchased the Thrustmaster joystick ( like an F18 style), separate Throttles and foot operated rudders, for the PC games. It's been in a box for over twenty five years. Is this stuff still compatible with modern program/simulators ? Thanks
Quite possibly, but without testing i can't know for sure.
@@SimUKReviews Thanks.