Just wanted to say I currently work at an engineer firm that specializes in fire alarm system design. Engineers have no idea how things are going to be installed in the field. I feel like being able to understand that and having a good working relationship with the installing contractors makes everyone's job easier. Also, I have been watching your videos for awhile now and always find them informative and appreciate the knowledge you have for this field.
You are 100% The job goes so much smoother if you work together and realize everyone makes mistakes and instead of holding it as a grudge address it and learn from it if possible
Nice! Now not only will New Years 2025 be louder but will be brighter as well. Also check out the wonderful portrait of The Queen by the annunciator near the end.
Nice video! I do wonder if the school was still for hard of hearing students, if the replacement audibles would have been low frequency, given that the 520Hz is more effective than 3kHz or broadband horns at alerting hard of hearing people
Nice! really interesting old system! is the residential CO gonna get replaced for a notifier one? also why did the PA go off at 20:00? Keep up the great work. cant wait for the other videos
At first when I heard about this replacement, I thought "Why is Nic's school district doing this school instead of Nic's old middle school?" But when you explained that they were building the new addition. Then it became a little more understanding, especially how the QS4 parts are discontinued. And no wonder because these things suck ass, that and they have been out for a while now. I mean, this one was a little better than the one at your middle school. Because the one at your middle school we all know likes to act drunk sometimes lol. But regardless this system is kinda interesting to learn about as well.
The middle school actually has all of its parts there for the most part and they've been there well before they were here for the school they've actually been there longer than the previous two or three replacements that school is just waiting the longest for whatever reason
@@nics-systems-electric Well yeah they just want people to suffer with the old "ShitStart" for a little while longer. When is that addition expected to be completed do you know?
Another great video! I love the bells...just curious why they are being replaced since they clearly work well (and loud)? If it ain't broke... Looking forward to Pt. 2!
The strobes don't synchronize and to put horns in the classroom you would then have mixed signals which is illegal and you need to have devices that are listed as compatible with the sync modules and have available current data sheets
It's being replaced because they're constructing a new building, and with the EST QuickStart4, it has been problematic + unreliable, explaining why a replacement is necessary.
Does the company require you to recycle those old strobes? If not, paint the lens a different color per device and wire them together to make a super disco. You could start a DJ business.
Awesome video keep the good work up. But I do have a question for you. At timestamp 33:27 you show something unexpected. The question is what is beside you on your left side? Is that one of the spiders from the USA movie Eight Legged Freaks? If yes you'd better run away. 😅 We have to have fun here. So you're welcome for the unexpected laugh in this comment.
in the gym, what are the cables for that are zip tied to the conduit? in the u.s, that's a code violation. but it is one of those things we do anyway, even though we know its wrong, myself included.
Speaker wire for speakers that are no longer there I'm not sure if it would be compliant or not would probably depend if the inspector was in a bad mood or not as you aren't supposed to use electrical equipment for a supporting device unless it's rigid conduit supporting electrical components but at the same time we are allowed to strap BX to pipe
@@nics-systems-electric thats true, not heavily enforced here and not a safety hazzard unless there are a crazy amount of cables to weigh down and dislodge the conduit. also, may be fully legal in canada, im not at all familiar with your codes.
Is this the school that you fid the annual in where you made a bunch of loud noises into the radio and the female electrician said "OK ots reset and that was close to my head!"?
That's awesome; can this building be compliant with our U.S. NFPA 72 code regulations in Canada? In addition, in place of the bells, the horn/strobe fire alarm notification devices could be useful there.
Love hearing that continuous sound!! Do you think it is better that the strobe lights are separate from the bell, or would it be more effective if there was a flasher on the bell?
@@nics-systems-electric I was wondering how to get into contact with you and possibly supply some of our different bells. If you have an interest in how they are made you can always receive a tour. Would love to have you visit!
I explained that in the video that it needs to be replaced for the expansion as they don't sell parts for it anymore and this particular panel is the next on the list for preventive upgrade as it's much easier to replace a system over spring break when you are prepared and the school isn't occupied versus it failing out of nowhere.
We don't use wheelock but trust me I've heard of them usually replacing their broken products. system sensor has by far the best variety of options especially in a bilingual Canadian version and wheelock seems to suffer from quality issues more so therefore system sensor is what's typically used
I'm really surprised you're setting the candela so high on all of these. Then again, you're in Canada and I'm in the US so different standards. EST Quickstart is a high priority pain in the ass, lol!. replace a device? re-do the mapping. Test the system? re-do the mapping. Don't have the software? Call a licensed dealer. Sheesh. I have a video of the strobes at my old high school going off, all unsyncronized. That system was installed in 1999, and has since been replaced. ( v=oTsmdsLy_uQ )
Yeah usually we don't touch Candela however I asked and I was told to match the old devices. The mapping on Edwards is definitely a huge pain causes more problems than it solves. Luckily this one was conventional so didn't have that issue.
Do you know if these customers ever complain about needing to upgrade the fire alarm systems? I've run into a lot of people who get upset that they need to repair, replace, or even install fire alarms because they've apparently never heard of them before. It's something that bothers me because they seem to not even care that these devices have the potential to save lives or upwards of millions of dollars in damages
I guess you could say we are the customer as I am working as apprentice with the school district electrical department which is in house and we do the install with the fire alarm company who creates the program and supplies the parts. I don't have experience dealing with Non-government funded projects.
This is pretty cool. Do you know what they do with the old devices, besides throwing them out do you get to keep some? (Oh also, your videos made me realize this is literally my dream job)
Why are you using that thing on the bottom of the CPU last time at your high school that was making your system un synchronized I’ll probably go with a booster panel. I’m just saying I’m not trying to be rude.
The only thing below the CPU is the power supply the system needs power to operate. The things that cause synchronization problems are the XP6-CA cards with sync-1A modules
I suggest you watch the video and you will hear me mention what you have asked. the 320 as previous comments have said would not be large enough however as I said in the video a 640 would be sufficient
First time seeing you of the new things of this replacement 1. Replacing a an EST QuickStart 2. Installing a different Notifier panel which is the NFS2-3030 3. Installing a L-Series ceiling mount fire alarm and L-Series fire alarms of different customizations rather than P2RLs which are white ones and strobe only units
That is not the case here you must be using different symbols than what we use. Not only in that physical location those are the devices that are installed but the legend also indicates what symbols are used for what devices and the way I described them is correct.
@@nics-systems-electric I thought this was in Canada. I'm a CFAA certified fire tech here and those are how the smokes and heats are always shown. As long as that's what the drawings show you're good. Just wanted to point that out 👍
@@shuaybghaffoor3298this is Canada, but I can promise you where I said there is a smoke detector there was indeed a smoke detector in the corridors and where I said there was a heat detector in rooms that is true to out in the field. What was actually there
Fire Alarm system designed for people that are hard of hearing getting replaced by a system with a ton of Spectralert Advances, a horn designed to make people deaf on high volume... LOL I kid I kid... It's better than the system we have in the school I work at, where the kids just laugh at the fire alarm because it's pathetically quiet and unintimidating.
These ones are L-series but similar they are what replaced the advance and because of the amount in the school and having them in the classrooms we could set them all to low volume
@@nics-systems-electricive been planning to replace the spectralert classic that is in my apartment unit with the new system sensor p4rl and the srl and idk if I could do it with the electricity on or I have to tell someone to turn it off for me that's my question
@@1bejarrr you don't in your apartment as that is illegal and if something was to happen whether it was your fault or not you could be held liable not something I would do in an apartment when your work could kill someone else and you weren't covered by anything
Just wanted to say I currently work at an engineer firm that specializes in fire alarm system design. Engineers have no idea how things are going to be installed in the field. I feel like being able to understand that and having a good working relationship with the installing contractors makes everyone's job easier. Also, I have been watching your videos for awhile now and always find them informative and appreciate the knowledge you have for this field.
You are 100% The job goes so much smoother if you work together and realize everyone makes mistakes and instead of holding it as a grudge address it and learn from it if possible
Off topic, but that architecture is awesome
Yes
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Nice! Now not only will New Years 2025 be louder but will be brighter as well. Also check out the wonderful portrait of The Queen by the annunciator near the end.
Man all those strobes turned any fire drill into a rave
You should make a wall of strobes to show the intensity of a couple hundred unsynchronized strobes going off all at once
That would be quite crazy for sure
Yhea, for new year
At max brightness setting or wha5
Thank you for showing us how to do these things
Beautiful alarm with bells, it's sad to see all of them will get replaced by l series, But the l series is my favorite alarm as well.
I love the upgrade videos! Can’t wait for part 2!
Nice video! I do wonder if the school was still for hard of hearing students, if the replacement audibles would have been low frequency, given that the 520Hz is more effective than 3kHz or broadband horns at alerting hard of hearing people
Hard to say we don't even use them in sleeping areas at least none that I've seen
@@nics-systems-electricInteresting, for how similar fire stuff is between the US and Canada in some places, they sure are different in many others
Nice! really interesting old system! is the residential CO gonna get replaced for a notifier one? also why did the PA go off at 20:00? Keep up the great work. cant wait for the other videos
No the CO detector is not quite a residential one but it's not part of the fire alarm system and the school like many has bells for class change
Good vid bro 👍
I’m excited for the test
*I wish I had the fire bell rather than the Honeywell Fire Alarm at my school.*
At first when I heard about this replacement, I thought "Why is Nic's school district doing this school instead of Nic's old middle school?" But when you explained that they were building the new addition. Then it became a little more understanding, especially how the QS4 parts are discontinued. And no wonder because these things suck ass, that and they have been out for a while now. I mean, this one was a little better than the one at your middle school. Because the one at your middle school we all know likes to act drunk sometimes lol. But regardless this system is kinda interesting to learn about as well.
The middle school actually has all of its parts there for the most part and they've been there well before they were here for the school they've actually been there longer than the previous two or three replacements that school is just waiting the longest for whatever reason
@@nics-systems-electric Well yeah they just want people to suffer with the old "ShitStart" for a little while longer. When is that addition expected to be completed do you know?
@@IanGSullyI thought the term was QuickShart
@@HenBasketFireAlarms Well the official term is QuickStart, but I call it “ShitStart” because they suck
You guys finally got L series strobes,you only had smokes before
Interested seeing the New System . 19:55 I heard a Bell in the background too. Im pretty sure its Bogen Multicom 2000.
Yes I believe so
Guarantee you’ve taken home at least one of those old bells :)
I'll miss those old est strobes, I miss it when fire alarms were square and had vertical strobes. These the the Wheelock MT 24lsms
Another great video! I love the bells...just curious why they are being replaced since they clearly work well (and loud)? If it ain't broke... Looking forward to Pt. 2!
The strobes don't synchronize and to put horns in the classroom you would then have mixed signals which is illegal and you need to have devices that are listed as compatible with the sync modules and have available current data sheets
It's being replaced because they're constructing a new building, and with the EST QuickStart4, it has been problematic + unreliable, explaining why a replacement is necessary.
Hey Nic is there any chance that if you get some of these old modules or stations i can maybe buy some off you?
Save as much as you can of the old stuff. Definitely don’t come across a setup like that much anymore.
all my schools are finally getting remodeled (the newest building is from 1976 and the oldest was from 1928 and it was knocked down)
I wish I can keep the old fire alarms I don't even have one to start a collection yet
what model are the strobes, I'm thinking about buying one.
30:43 is so relatable. Theres some systems or parts that people freak out over that are so garbage. Most recent one I did was a Siemens MXL. They suck
My old high school has an MXL IQ and it's 24 years old and still works like a champ.
@@whelenvortexr4modern mxls suck
Does the company require you to recycle those old strobes? If not, paint the lens a different color per device and wire them together to make a super disco. You could start a DJ business.
I thought it was funny how there's a random duck chillin in the back 😂😂
lol seagull
Awesome video keep the good work up.
But I do have a question for you. At timestamp 33:27 you show something unexpected. The question is what is beside you on your left side?
Is that one of the spiders from the USA movie Eight Legged Freaks?
If yes you'd better run away. 😅
We have to have fun here. So you're welcome for the unexpected laugh in this comment.
NIC guy, do you actually have an RC Quadcopter drone? If so, that is amazing!
Yes I have a drone I've use it for a lot of my videos
@@nics-systems-electric Oh, cool.
in the gym, what are the cables for that are zip tied to the conduit? in the u.s, that's a code violation. but it is one of those things we do anyway, even though we know its wrong, myself included.
Speaker wire for speakers that are no longer there I'm not sure if it would be compliant or not would probably depend if the inspector was in a bad mood or not as you aren't supposed to use electrical equipment for a supporting device unless it's rigid conduit supporting electrical components but at the same time we are allowed to strap BX to pipe
@@nics-systems-electric thats true, not heavily enforced here and not a safety hazzard unless there are a crazy amount of cables to weigh down and dislodge the conduit. also, may be fully legal in canada, im not at all familiar with your codes.
@@nics-systems-electric ok, at first i didnt see the rest of your post, seems your code is similar to ours
Another school, another system to be replaced. Hopefully the wiring polarity won’t be a nightmare this time around…
This one was fine then again from 1994 so more recent
At the end of this saga, you should show how many Integrities you removed. Would be very interesting to see.
Also, I do think that having AVs in the classrooms is a good idea in general.
Having devices in the classrooms is definitely good it means the corridor devices don't need to be as loud I think 65 or 70 strobes came out
Is this the school that you fid the annual in where you made a bunch of loud noises into the radio and the female electrician said "OK ots reset and that was close to my head!"?
Man I have no idea
Did you keep any of the old one's
So Part 2 Of Replacing The Fire Alarm System Is Coming Out On Saturday
No next Wednesday
40:15, the letter O on the bottom right corner means that the zone is open and can't arm.
Where do you guys take the old devices after replacing them?
I take some devices however most go in our metal bin or garbage bin
I guess that white plate next to the last strobe is a eol resistor plate in the gym
Yes exactly
That's awesome; can this building be compliant with our U.S. NFPA 72 code regulations in Canada?
In addition, in place of the bells, the horn/strobe fire alarm notification devices could be useful there.
I'm not sure about the US codes it's CAN/ULC-S524 and some others that covers fire alarm installations in Canada
Love hearing that continuous sound!! Do you think it is better that the strobe lights are separate from the bell, or would it be more effective if there was a flasher on the bell?
The strobes have to be separate from the bells as the bells do not have strobes on them like modern horn strobes do
@@nics-systems-electric I was wondering how to get into contact with you and possibly supply some of our different bells. If you have an interest in how they are made you can always receive a tour. Would love to have you visit!
Nice upgrade, but if the old system still worked, what was the point of replacing. Fixing something that is not broken it seems.
I explained that in the video that it needs to be replaced for the expansion as they don't sell parts for it anymore and this particular panel is the next on the list for preventive upgrade as it's much easier to replace a system over spring break when you are prepared and the school isn't occupied versus it failing out of nowhere.
I like mechanical horn fire alarms
Dangit i did not get 1st comment; But i am still happpy :D
Bro my school the 2nd and 3rd floor has 4 fire alarms in each hallway 1 in each bathroom 1 for each room 2 for the cafeteria 1 for the entrances
I don't wanna be rude but on your channel I only see L series horns. I don't know if you heard of Wheelock but I like those more for whatever reason.
We don't use wheelock but trust me I've heard of them usually replacing their broken products. system sensor has by far the best variety of options especially in a bilingual Canadian version and wheelock seems to suffer from quality issues more so therefore system sensor is what's typically used
@@nics-systems-electricthat's fair. System sensor has fairly good devices and a lot of customisability in terms of lettering and lenses.
39:23 that song was by an artist from the city i live in lol and then at the end nic was listening to gangstas paradise
You must be a Calgary guy next province over from me
@@nics-systems-electric sure am
Can you like keep the old fire alarms or no.
Most stuff if it's actually worth keeping
1:42: I think NewAgeServerAlarm actually had that heat detector alarm. If I find a video of it, I’ll probably send the link. Or something…
how can we get the old stobles
I'm really surprised you're setting the candela so high on all of these. Then again, you're in Canada and I'm in the US so different standards. EST Quickstart is a high priority pain in the ass, lol!. replace a device? re-do the mapping. Test the system? re-do the mapping. Don't have the software? Call a licensed dealer. Sheesh. I have a video of the strobes at my old high school going off, all unsyncronized. That system was installed in 1999, and has since been replaced. ( v=oTsmdsLy_uQ )
Yeah usually we don't touch Candela however I asked and I was told to match the old devices. The mapping on Edwards is definitely a huge pain causes more problems than it solves. Luckily this one was conventional so didn't have that issue.
Do you know if these customers ever complain about needing to upgrade the fire alarm systems? I've run into a lot of people who get upset that they need to repair, replace, or even install fire alarms because they've apparently never heard of them before. It's something that bothers me because they seem to not even care that these devices have the potential to save lives or upwards of millions of dollars in damages
I guess you could say we are the customer as I am working as apprentice with the school district electrical department which is in house and we do the install with the fire alarm company who creates the program and supplies the parts. I don't have experience dealing with Non-government funded projects.
tighten your LP! that noise drives me bonkers lol
I'm not sure what you mean
This is pretty cool. Do you know what they do with the old devices, besides throwing them out do you get to keep some?
(Oh also, your videos made me realize this is literally my dream job)
I kept some devices as usually they would be thrown out everything you saw in my SUV at the end of the video was stuff I took
@@nics-systems-electricthat’s cool
When are you going to post part two video?
Wednesday
38:48 id love to buy one or two
Hey, Nic, is this school right by your house? What's the location of the school in this video?
No the school by my house is a single floor sprinklered building with an addressable system
@@nics-systems-electric What's the school's location on Google Maps?
kinda sad to see that old system go and get replaced
This one's nothing to worry about just sounds like every other Canadian system from the last 50 years
Yeah, it wasn’t really that old anyways. The new system will provide far better protection.
what do you do with all the old devices????
Usually they would be thrown out and recycled however I do take some of them as far as the stuff I actually want the rest gets recycled
Why are you using that thing on the bottom of the CPU last time at your high school that was making your system un synchronized I’ll probably go with a booster panel. I’m just saying I’m not trying to be rude.
The only thing below the CPU is the power supply the system needs power to operate. The things that cause synchronization problems are the XP6-CA cards with sync-1A modules
What’s gonna happen to your job after you graduate high school?
I won't work with the school district anymore
Will they let you keep the devices you remove by chance?
The stuff that I showed in my SUV at the end of the video was the stuff I kept not everything just some stuff I wanted
That old system seems more of a upgrade than the new one
Did you watch the video?
@@nics-systems-electric Mabye
@@GE1463 then you will see the new system is a huge upgrade
@@nics-systems-electric why not just mod
@@GE1463 I'm not sure what you mean
Is this William Isaac Shart?
No
30:38 Not everybody, I hate those exit signs.
I have never seen an English and French lettering on that SCWL (pretty hard to find in the States actually)
I've seen them all over the place they are nothing special to see here
Why the NFS2 3030 the NFS2-640 or NFS-320 would have done fine
I suggest you watch the video and you will hear me mention what you have asked. the 320 as previous comments have said would not be large enough however as I said in the video a 640 would be sufficient
Do you keep the strobes
*?
What is SLC?
Signalling line circuit it is the data loop that the addressable devices communicate on
Do you get paid to do this? Or is this volunteer?
Still a student so just doing it for apprenticeship hours not paid
@@nics-systems-electric Student in what? Electrician?
@@chrisg6492 yes
First time seeing you of the new things of this replacement
1. Replacing a an EST QuickStart
2. Installing a different Notifier panel which is the NFS2-3030
3. Installing a L-Series ceiling mount fire alarm and L-Series fire alarms of different customizations rather than P2RLs which are white ones and strobe only units
The est integrity’s are discontinued
when is part 2
Wednesday
Just FYI…. 5:45 it’s a heat detector and at 5:47 that’s a smoke detector. You mixed them up.
That is not the case here you must be using different symbols than what we use. Not only in that physical location those are the devices that are installed but the legend also indicates what symbols are used for what devices and the way I described them is correct.
@@nics-systems-electric I thought this was in Canada. I'm a CFAA certified fire tech here and those are how the smokes and heats are always shown. As long as that's what the drawings show you're good. Just wanted to point that out 👍
@@shuaybghaffoor3298this is Canada, but I can promise you where I said there is a smoke detector there was indeed a smoke detector in the corridors and where I said there was a heat detector in rooms that is true to out in the field. What was actually there
@@nics-systems-electric Awesome, good to know!
Can you sell some of those strobes for like 5 dollars I would gladly buy one
Five dollars wouldn't even cover 25% of the shipping
Nah he’ll never sell any of the strobes let alone for 5 dollars
@@corbinplayzroblox9760 I'd sell them if someone wanted them but I ain't going to lose money on it
Fire Alarm system designed for people that are hard of hearing getting replaced by a system with a ton of Spectralert Advances, a horn designed to make people deaf on high volume... LOL
I kid I kid...
It's better than the system we have in the school I work at, where the kids just laugh at the fire alarm because it's pathetically quiet and unintimidating.
These ones are L-series but similar they are what replaced the advance and because of the amount in the school and having them in the classrooms we could set them all to low volume
@nics-systems-electric I kind of figured that.
Is my school has a variant of L-series, but they are all voice evac speaker strobes.
I have a P2RL it is quite at low volume
NFS2 3030
To replace these fire alarm do you guys need to power off the circuit
Yes it's ideal to keep power on the circuits that way you can test the polarity when installing devices
@@nics-systems-electricive been planning to replace the spectralert classic that is in my apartment unit with the new system sensor p4rl and the srl and idk if I could do it with the electricity on or I have to tell someone to turn it off for me that's my question
@@1bejarrr you don't in your apartment as that is illegal and if something was to happen whether it was your fault or not you could be held liable not something I would do in an apartment when your work could kill someone else and you weren't covered by anything
@@nics-systems-electric what about calling someone or get the managers permission
@@1bejarrr I personally wouldn't want to take on that responsibility
22:05 sideways integrity strobe #whatafirealarmfail
What makes it not listed for horizontal installation? There is no strobe coverage limitation due to horizontal placement.
My bad
That looks like an absolute mess of electrical wiring 🤣🤣🤣
Not this school this one is pretty clean which makes the job much easier
why is the light pull station next to you in this video flashing so fast? [ th-cam.com/video/zboTpL8CzqY/w-d-xo.html ]
I'm not sure what you are referring to as your link goes to a different video
@@nics-systems-electric yes, i am talking about the video the link goes to.
First
Can i have the old panel please
I am honestly really surprised that you swore😆
Surprised? It's a constant problem I have
@@nics-systems-electric I constantly swear as well, hence why I don’t normally talk in my videos lol