Yes...thnx Garret...watched a ton of your vids and you are the reason i bought Altmill over onefinity....learned a ton from you over the years....just wanna say thanks💪
I've been watching the Sienci Alt CNC router videos. The speeds are very impressive. I was surprised seeing that small tool doing the 3d cuts at such high feed rates and cut depths. It's like there was no need to do a roughing cut. But how it cut aluminum was really impressive. I would expect that type of performance from a rigid frame CNC machining center, but not a router. That was truly amazing.
I just watched the footage on the altmill on the sceince channel...That's more machine than I can handle. But, I just ordered the laser kit for my longmill. I am so excited!!!!!!
The alum. carving/machining was stunning. This machine could make high grade intrument cluster bezels, switch surrounds, and engraved tags for custom shops and fabricate/copy existing parts no longer avail at costs that will be unbeatable. For auto restorers and builders with a 4'X4' capacity parts that are unreplacable i.e. handles and various parts and trim could be reproduced/matched then hand finished surfaces and then plated or painted for under $5K on your floor what's not to like!! Love your expert commentary of factory footage it's invaluable great job THANKS for your candid remarks and estimates of speeds. Very compelling. Ray Stormont
That is quite impressive. I hope later on they introduce a 2'x4' version for us lowly single car garage shop owners. I love how far and how affordable CNC machines have become.
Have my order in and patiently waiting. My Longmill MK2 will be the experimental machine while the Altmill will be the workhorse. I’m going to have to stock up on more IDC bits. I may be a diabetic by the rate of M&M’s I’ve been getting… -Peter
Peter, a friend of mine who's been doing CNC work for over 25 years - and has plenty of experience - advised me to get my bits through kijiji, where many metal milling companies sell their tooling which is no longer sharp enough for their needs, but is still perfectly good for milling wood. Just a thought...
@@ApexWoodworks I’ll look into them. I’ve been using IDC and Spetools exclusively but see Amazon sells the same bits from both vendors and I don’t have to pay shipping or wait. Amazon gets them to me overnight.
Nice video Garrett, in your view the performance between your 4x4 and the alt mill 4x4 which would you say is better? Well except that you have a vacuum table. Except that feature.
dwaynejohnson7499, thanks for watching! In terms of performance, both the 4x4 and the Alt Mill 4x4 are great machines with their own strengths. The Alt Mill 4x4 has its advantages, but I still love both my machines for its reliability and precision.
Hi Garrett, I'm confused. I am a Onefinity user but I'm looking for something larger. You said in this video that the Altmill is a 4x4 table, which is larger, but several of your video snippets clearly show a much larger (4x8?) Altmill, which for me, would be an instant sell to me (once my Onefinity gets sold that is)
@@TheSegWayne It's not showing a 4 x 8 machine, they are showing a 4 x4 machine with a 4 x 8 sheet being tiled on it. That's where you can pass the sheet through using multiple cuts and indexing.
@@johnread7404 I will have to go back and watch it again, but on the third watch, I was trying to pay very close attention to it and would have sworn to you that it had the metal rails all the way down the sheet. If not, that's a pity. Yes, 4x4 would be an upgrade from my 32x48 Onefinity Journeyman, and yes, it's cheaper than the Elite Foreman (also a 4x4 platform) but if I'm going to spend the money, I'd rather be able to process a full sheet for cabinetry without tiling and all the headaches that brings.. I know, it's very "Veruca Salt" (Willy Wonka) of me, but hey. Money these days is tight..
TheAyotteMan, It's hard to predict future pricing in the wood industry as it can be influenced by various factors such as demand, supply, and economic conditions. It's always best to keep an eye out!
deronthomas7904, that may be a future upgrade but you can always go with a spindle atc upgrade from PWN CNC too! Here is a link: pwncnc.com/products/atc?ref=IDCWOODCRAFT
steves.361, That's correct! Many CNC router kits come with the table included, but the router itself is often sold separately. It's always a good idea to check the product description to see what's included on this one brother!
233178033, This specific machine can handle up to about 5" slabs brother! But keep in mind most router bits cannot cut that long! Food for thought my friend.
kevinfinney8849, Not quite yet brother. Although you can get one yourself at PWNCNC. Here is a link: pwncnc.com/products/spindle?ref=IDCWOODCRAFT Be sure to use the discount code IDC5 for 5% off!
st0mper121, not 100% sure on what Sienci has up their sleeve brother! Your best bet is to reach out to them directly. Here is a link: sienci.com/contact-us/?ref=idcwoodcraft
Thats very fast and the price seems very reasonable. How does the speed and DOC compare to your $11,000 Phantom? Also, I would be interested if there is an easy way to tram it instead of adjusting this wheel or pick up on this axis while I hold my tongue right kind of thing.
iwannaapple7190, glad to hear you like this one brother! As for the speed, some testing back to back is definitely in the works on that one. You can also tram the router with the dedicated tramming features straight on the machine!
@@IDCWoodcraft I was wondering if it had dedicated tramming features. Having dedicated tramming features does put it in the upper echelon of "table top machines". From what I've seen that is usually not found.
hammer5261, Congratulations on your purchase! It'll be worth the wait once you start creating some amazing projects with your new Altmill and spindle kit. December will be here before you know it! Enjoy the anticipation.
I'm impressed with the price but for not much more you can get a way more capable Machine called the MILL-O-MATIC. That's made of 1/4 plate steel and tig welded.
scottresch9912, It's great to hear you know about the MILL-O-MATIC! The build quality and materials can definitely make a big difference in performance and durability. Each machine has its strengths, and it's all about finding what fits your specific needs best. Happy woodworking!
im still waiting for them to acknawlage the warped Y axis rails that came from the factory on my Longmill before I give them another penny. Since day 1 couldn't get a 30 inch Y cut within 2mm. Surfacing even shows the dip. Their response was instead of selling (yes I even offered to pay for the rails) was to buy and entire new kit. They REFFUSED to even sell me new rails that sould be WARRENTIED! Deplorable gaslighting company! Best I can tell is in Shipping the courrier must have placed a several hundred pound object laying across the box. Either way they should at least sell a replacement for the damaged part. But their response is literally throw out the BRAND NEW part and discard the entire kit and simply rebuy the whole thing again! FK those guys
IDCWoodcraft, I'm sorry to hear about the issues you're experiencing with your Longmill machine. It's always frustrating dealing with factory problems, but hopefully, you can get it sorted out soon.
Impressive speed. Is that real? Is that an everyday thing? In a screwed together aluminum desktop machine? Do I believe my lying eyes? It looks like FUD has hit the desktop CNC world! Fear, Unease and Doubt. Are your going to buy a Shapeoko 5 Pro, or and X-Carve Pro or a OneFinity Journeyman Elite or a CNC4Newbie or any other desktop 4 x 4 after seeing this? I wonder. AVID makes all kinds of noise about how robust their machines are. But who cares if the AltMill cuts 3/4 ply at 200ipm in one pass? That's all the "robust" I'll ever need. And closer to home it looks dumb to buy a LongMill right now because the price difference is not great enough. There's only one other desktop that can do that that I know of. The iR2 can do it and you can see it demo'd at ToolsToday. But it's a 2x4 and costs $10,000! Looks like the only kit that stands a chance is the Bulkman Ultimate Bee. The Bee can be spec'd out to be essentially the same thing for a little over $2000 delivered. But it uses 80/20 extrusions and I don't see how it could be pushed like this. One thing mystifies me though. Where's the 2x4? To me it seems dumb not to offer it and offer it RIGHT NOW! And it seems especially dumb since anybody ordering today won't take delivery probably until November. You're telling me you can't cut 2 feet off the Y axis between now and November? Dude, I may have been born at night, but not LAST night! Or do you WANT people with limited space to go ahead and buy the 2x4 shapeoko?
frankshannon3235, Thanks for watching! The speed showcased in the video is real and achievable with the right setup. AVID CNC machines are known for their robustness and precision but selecting the right desktop CNC ultimately depends on your specific needs and budget. The Bulkman Ultimate Bee offers a customizable option at a competitive price point, delivering good performance for its value. Consider your workspace limitations and the material sizes you typically work with when choosing a CNC machine. I have a video that should really help you narrow down your CNC choice. It will really help you determine what to look for when buying a CNC. Here is a link: th-cam.com/video/wLVNF0L-ZdU/w-d-xo.html
Check out the Altmill CNC Router here → link.idcwoodcraft.com/axo0eh
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Got In on the "First 50" pre order. Can hardly wait. Awesome machine, even has adjustable tramming, no more shimming.
1HughJardon, right on brother! Thats exciting.
I put my order in for the AltMill as soon as the order form opened! Can’t wait!
kenbouchard834, right on brother! I am excited for you to get your machine.
Yes...thnx Garret...watched a ton of your vids and you are the reason i bought Altmill over onefinity....learned a ton from you over the years....just wanna say thanks💪
hammer5261, I'm glad to hear that you found my videos helpful, and I appreciate your support! Let me know if you have any questions in the future.
hammer5261, You're very welcome! I'm glad you found my videos helpful in your decision-making process. Enjoy your Altmill!
Looks like a great machine!
kevinrich4637, I couldn't agree more brother!
I've been watching the Sienci Alt CNC router videos. The speeds are very impressive. I was surprised seeing that small tool doing the 3d cuts at such high feed rates and cut depths. It's like there was no need to do a roughing cut. But how it cut aluminum was really impressive. I would expect that type of performance from a rigid frame CNC machining center, but not a router. That was truly amazing.
cncprogrammer3265, glad to hear it brother! Happy CNCing.
I just watched the footage on the altmill on the sceince channel...That's more machine than I can handle. But, I just ordered the laser kit for my longmill. I am so excited!!!!!!
Science channel! Wow. It's made it that far huh?
michaellevine6019, right on brother! I am excited for you to get your laser kit.
That's the one I ordered! Can't wait.
hassleoffa, right on brother! I am excited for you to get your machine.
The alum. carving/machining was stunning. This machine could make high grade intrument cluster bezels, switch surrounds, and engraved tags for custom shops and fabricate/copy existing parts no longer avail at costs that will be unbeatable. For auto restorers and builders with a 4'X4' capacity parts that are unreplacable i.e. handles and various parts and trim could be reproduced/matched then hand finished surfaces and then plated or painted for under $5K on your floor what's not to like!! Love your expert commentary of factory footage it's invaluable great job THANKS for your candid remarks and estimates of speeds. Very compelling. Ray Stormont
Ray, I couldn't agree more with your assessment on this one brother! It is one heck of a machine.
I'm patiently waiting for my Altmill to show up!!!
DrBrian0450, it will be here soon enough brother!
That is quite impressive. I hope later on they introduce a 2'x4' version for us lowly single car garage shop owners.
I love how far and how affordable CNC machines have become.
NWGR, glad to hear you like this one brother!
Ordered mine a couple weeks back. Guess I will have to start checking out IDC bits this summer.
robnhannon, right on brother! Happy CNCing.
Have my order in and patiently waiting. My Longmill MK2 will be the experimental machine while the Altmill will be the workhorse. I’m going to have to stock up on more IDC bits. I may be a diabetic by the rate of M&M’s I’ve been getting… -Peter
ifiwooddesigns, right on brother! Congrats on picking up the new Altmill. I bet you are excited to get it.
Peter, a friend of mine who's been doing CNC work for over 25 years - and has plenty of experience - advised me to get my bits through kijiji, where many metal milling companies sell their tooling which is no longer sharp enough for their needs, but is still perfectly good for milling wood. Just a thought...
@@ApexWoodworks I’ll look into them. I’ve been using IDC and Spetools exclusively but see Amazon sells the same bits from both vendors and I don’t have to pay shipping or wait. Amazon gets them to me overnight.
Can you please make a video about Remotely controlling the Altmill by using the XBox Elite Series 2 Controller in GSender ?
bfreebabi5398, That sounds like a fascinating idea! I'll keep that in mind for future content. Thanks for the suggestion!
Do they have any plans on way covers ?
roberth1858, not yet brother! I will keep that in mind for future videos.
Wow! Price and capabilities are very impressive.
darrenschmitz2712, I’m glad you found the price and capabilities impressive! There’s so much you can do with CNC woodworking these days.
Nice video Garrett, in your view the performance between your 4x4 and the alt mill 4x4 which would you say is better? Well except that you have a vacuum table. Except that feature.
dwaynejohnson7499, thanks for watching! In terms of performance, both the 4x4 and the Alt Mill 4x4 are great machines with their own strengths. The Alt Mill 4x4 has its advantages, but I still love both my machines for its reliability and precision.
Hi Garrett, I'm confused. I am a Onefinity user but I'm looking for something larger. You said in this video that the Altmill is a 4x4 table, which is larger, but several of your video snippets clearly show a much larger (4x8?) Altmill, which for me, would be an instant sell to me (once my Onefinity gets sold that is)
Altmill is only available on 4*4 currently
@@IDCWoodcraft thanks. I see that but I’m still confused by the video showing a 4x8 machine
@@TheSegWayne It's not showing a 4 x 8 machine, they are showing a 4 x4 machine with a 4 x 8 sheet being tiled on it. That's where you can pass the sheet through using multiple cuts and indexing.
@@johnread7404 I will have to go back and watch it again, but on the third watch, I was trying to pay very close attention to it and would have sworn to you that it had the metal rails all the way down the sheet.
If not, that's a pity. Yes, 4x4 would be an upgrade from my 32x48 Onefinity Journeyman, and yes, it's cheaper than the Elite Foreman (also a 4x4 platform) but if I'm going to spend the money, I'd rather be able to process a full sheet for cabinetry without tiling and all the headaches that brings..
I know, it's very "Veruca Salt" (Willy Wonka) of me, but hey. Money these days is tight..
Fourth viewing, I see it now. The idea that it was a 4x8 was an optical illusion apparently...
That being said, it's an impressive machine speed-wise.
Do you know the size & price of the bigger CNC they show in the video?
233178033, here is a link to sizes and prices brother! sienci.com/product/altmill/?ref=IDCWOODCRAFT
@@IDCWoodcraft will you be making more videos on the Altmill in the near future?
Do you think think the price will increase in the near future?
TheAyotteMan, It's hard to predict future pricing in the wood industry as it can be influenced by various factors such as demand, supply, and economic conditions. It's always best to keep an eye out!
Will there be ATC Support?
deronthomas7904, that may be a future upgrade but you can always go with a spindle atc upgrade from PWN CNC too! Here is a link: pwncnc.com/products/atc?ref=IDCWOODCRAFT
It comes with a table, but not the router?
steves.361, That's correct! Many CNC router kits come with the table included, but the router itself is often sold separately. It's always a good idea to check the product description to see what's included on this one brother!
What is the thickness slab that you cut on this machine?
233178033, This specific machine can handle up to about 5" slabs brother! But keep in mind most router bits cannot cut that long! Food for thought my friend.
By chance do you know if there is a option for a water cooled spindle?
kevinfinney8849, Not quite yet brother. Although you can get one yourself at PWNCNC. Here is a link: pwncnc.com/products/spindle?ref=IDCWOODCRAFT
Be sure to use the discount code IDC5 for 5% off!
Any kind of probe or tool changer in the works? What kind of controller? MASSO?
st0mper121, not 100% sure on what Sienci has up their sleeve brother! Your best bet is to reach out to them directly. Here is a link: sienci.com/contact-us/?ref=idcwoodcraft
Mine should arrive in October
AMusicalPsychosis, right on brother! That is exciting.
What an awesome machine. Of I were one of their competitors, I'd be concerned about my future sales.
ApexWoodworks, glad to hear you liked this one brother.
Wow!
What is the spindler wattage? HP?
davidhittenberger1651, it depends on the options brother! You can use quite a few different spindles.
Are there any cnc’s that uses vectric software to run a cnc
kenmac6888, you cant run any machine with vectric brother! You need free software like UGS or gSender to do that.
@@IDCWoodcraft TY my Friend
Thats very fast and the price seems very reasonable.
How does the speed and DOC compare to your $11,000 Phantom?
Also, I would be interested if there is an easy way to tram it instead of adjusting this wheel or pick up on this axis while I hold my tongue right kind of thing.
iwannaapple7190, glad to hear you like this one brother! As for the speed, some testing back to back is definitely in the works on that one. You can also tram the router with the dedicated tramming features straight on the machine!
@@IDCWoodcraft
I was wondering if it had dedicated tramming features. Having dedicated tramming features does put it in the upper echelon of "table top machines". From what I've seen that is usually not found.
When I will get the ALTMILL it will be when it becomes a 4x8 cnc with its dedicated spindle or with PWN ATC spindle.
KenDo_creation, I like that idea brother! That would be a game changer for sure.
Just ordered the Altmill and spindle kit....have to wait 6 months till December to receive it😡
hammer5261, Congratulations on your purchase! It'll be worth the wait once you start creating some amazing projects with your new Altmill and spindle kit. December will be here before you know it! Enjoy the anticipation.
Put a dust collector and a vacuum table on it. Looks like steppers instead of servos.
PacesIII, that would be very cool brother! A vacuum table would be a complete game changer.
If their controller supports ATC capability then I may switch lanes from upgrading my Onefinity to an Elite and buy this instead.
builtbybittle, very good point my friend! That is definitely a point of consideration.
it does support ATC
nice but no 3 phase here
joefalcon870, that would be a game changer for sure brother!
I'm impressed with the price but for not much more you can get a way more capable Machine called the MILL-O-MATIC. That's made of 1/4 plate steel and tig welded.
scottresch9912, It's great to hear you know about the MILL-O-MATIC! The build quality and materials can definitely make a big difference in performance and durability. Each machine has its strengths, and it's all about finding what fits your specific needs best. Happy woodworking!
michaellevine6019, glad to hear you liked this one brother!
2010 wants their 480p back
hrmny_, thanks brother! Always working to improve.
Faster isn't always better. Rigidity and repeatability is the first thing to look at.
PacesIIl, very good points my friend. I couldn't agree more.
im still waiting for them to acknawlage the warped Y axis rails that came from the factory on my Longmill before I give them another penny. Since day 1 couldn't get a 30 inch Y cut within 2mm. Surfacing even shows the dip. Their response was instead of selling (yes I even offered to pay for the rails) was to buy and entire new kit. They REFFUSED to even sell me new rails that sould be WARRENTIED! Deplorable gaslighting company! Best I can tell is in Shipping the courrier must have placed a several hundred pound object laying across the box. Either way they should at least sell a replacement for the damaged part. But their response is literally throw out the BRAND NEW part and discard the entire kit and simply rebuy the whole thing again! FK those guys
IDCWoodcraft, I'm sorry to hear about the issues you're experiencing with your Longmill machine. It's always frustrating dealing with factory problems, but hopefully, you can get it sorted out soon.
Well............. I guess I won't upgrade my longmill...........
danneil7806, I couldn't agree more on that one my friend.
Impressive speed. Is that real? Is that an everyday thing? In a screwed together aluminum desktop machine? Do I believe my lying eyes?
It looks like FUD has hit the desktop CNC world! Fear, Unease and Doubt. Are your going to buy a Shapeoko 5 Pro, or and X-Carve Pro or a OneFinity Journeyman Elite or a CNC4Newbie or any other desktop 4 x 4 after seeing this? I wonder. AVID makes all kinds of noise about how robust their machines are. But who cares if the AltMill cuts 3/4 ply at 200ipm in one pass? That's all the "robust" I'll ever need. And closer to home it looks dumb to buy a LongMill right now because the price difference is not great enough.
There's only one other desktop that can do that that I know of. The iR2 can do it and you can see it demo'd at ToolsToday. But it's a 2x4 and costs $10,000!
Looks like the only kit that stands a chance is the Bulkman Ultimate Bee. The Bee can be spec'd out to be essentially the same thing for a little over $2000 delivered. But it uses 80/20 extrusions and I don't see how it could be pushed like this.
One thing mystifies me though. Where's the 2x4? To me it seems dumb not to offer it and offer it RIGHT NOW! And it seems especially dumb since anybody ordering today won't take delivery probably until November. You're telling me you can't cut 2 feet off the Y axis between now and November? Dude, I may have been born at night, but not LAST night! Or do you WANT people with limited space to go ahead and buy the 2x4 shapeoko?
frankshannon3235, Thanks for watching! The speed showcased in the video is real and achievable with the right setup. AVID CNC machines are known for their robustness and precision but selecting the right desktop CNC ultimately depends on your specific needs and budget. The Bulkman Ultimate Bee offers a customizable option at a competitive price point, delivering good performance for its value. Consider your workspace limitations and the material sizes you typically work with when choosing a CNC machine. I have a video that should really help you narrow down your CNC choice. It will really help you determine what to look for when buying a CNC. Here is a link: th-cam.com/video/wLVNF0L-ZdU/w-d-xo.html