The Martin Heidegger Nazi Debate
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- The timeloop continues: Another Ukrainian SS soldier in Canada and another wave of books and articles about the dangers of Heidegger following the publication of the third edition of History of Beyng, we reflect on air fryers and moralism after the end of history.
As an ukrainian I find interesting to hear a feedback, also negative one, about my country and its history.
The Ukraine has ruined the world. Thanks for that.
I find that the book Mushroom at the end of the world has some insights on this, if we talking about ghosts. there is a phrase that really stuck with me. “freedom is the negotiation of ghosts in a haunted landscape. It does not exorcise the haunting but works to survive and negotiate it with flair”
Just listened that Beiner episode. I think his argument basically boils down to him claiming that he's a superior Nietzsche and Heidegger interpreter than the rest of us.
When ever Pills argued against him his answer always seemed to be:
"Well you can read them that way, but if you
R E A L L Y ™ deeply understand the text like I, phd Beiner do then you would agree with me"
He never seems to justify why his reading is better, for him it just is.
There were some Ukrainians that fought both the nazis and the soviets in WW2 actually. But their impact wasn’t significant.
You know who else questioned why the enlightenment failed to prevent genocide and tyranny? The Frankfurt school. I honestly thought you guys were about to say the 'arc of history bends towards....'
Canada has always been very cosy with Ukranian N@zis, playing host to monuments to OUN and UPA leader Shukhevych, to plenty of Waffen SS refugees from Ukraine, and of course how could anyone forget the bombing of the Ukrainian Labour Temple building by the Waffen SS refugees in 1950?
So on the topic of history I think another Nazi could be incredibly helpful in demystifying history. This would be none other than Oswald Spengler! Through him we can remove the vr goggles of the postmodern, ahistorical, humanist perspective. In fact history is occurring around us right now but it has become imperceptible. Historical events are either so protracted or or brief that they often go unnoticed but under the surface of mere incidental life is the same metamorphosis that has been occurring since time immemorial. To tie this back to Heidegger the ahistorical feeling is like a collective thrownness, we sincerely feel that we know what will occur to the extent that our hypothetical future has already been documented. What to do you think of that? I think it feels rather bland, safe, too safe, like an uncanny suburb illuminated by thousands of LED’s. Here’s the hope though, that Spengler and Heidegger are correct, just under the surface lies an abyss filled with horrors.
Definitely agree. Spengler's has proven to be just as prophetic as Marx in a lot of ways.
Interesting. Spengler as I read him was warning of an oncoming Caesarism, which seems identical to Fascism, as the folding up of the Western Civilization tent.
Heidegger was a brilliant philosopher who was unable to live the integrity of his own teachings and succumbed to the "They" of Nazism.
No man is perfect but his work is still immensely useful.
Useful for what? Advocating and committing genocide, ethnic cleansing, and institutional racial discrimination?
@@stephen1340c Are you serious?
Have you never done a study of his works?
His work is useful in terms of understanding the critical importance of the immediacy of the moment in everyday life as opposed to being obsessed
with the past or the future.
His work explains the wholism of the universe including humans place in it which is why we have the "ready to handness" in our interactions with the world.
He explained that all humans generally live based on some form of care or caring.
His work valued nature, the countryside and was skeptical of technology.
If you think his main thrust was Nazi-ism or anything to do with ethnic cleansing I believe you are terribly uninformed but if you have evidence that he directly promoted those in his work, I am open to check it out,
@@thenowchurch6419 Check out his Black Notebooks, then.
@@thenowchurch6419 Check out Heidegger's Black Notebooks, then.
@@stephen1340c I am aware of his Black Notebooks.
They are just that, notebooks, not his published philosophical work.
If you go back to my original comment I acknowledged that he became a Nazi.
That does not take away from the useful work he published.
Heidegger's criticism of "Das Man" isn't simply that one "goes with the crowd", although you can see that he was taking a stab at the socialist and worker's movements (the "newspaper" readers, i.e. the socialist rags)-- look at how he characterizes "Das Man": intellectual, rootless, cosmopolitan, calculating, bloodless, obsessed with his material interest-- all well-established anti-semetic tropes at the time. Secondly, his concept of "historicity", "decision" and "being-with-others" in B and T is basically the idea of organic unity.
Being "anti-bolshevism", "anti-Americanism"-- what else did fascism consist in besides this?
So for Heidegger the Nazi mainstream was not in the category of "Das Man"?
Heidegger was a Nazi
Yo so I heard this on Spotify and there a comment section doesn't really exist. I wanted to say, regarding that student pointing out the genocide of indigenous in the face of the 5 women; Pills said 'its to asume yourself as THE moral agent...' and basically look down on everyone or whatever....
(I don't live in Canada im from the middle east) but as a person who might bring up the exact same point in such a discussion... I have to say, I don't imagine myself as 'The moral agent'... It's much more dramatic!... It's to point at the irony of their time and situation!To situate myself as well as you in the same shoes as them and try to think, what are we blind to in our time in 'history'?...