Start to Finish Drum Mix
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ม.ค. 2024
- Follow along as I mix drums from scratch, in real time!
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MY FAVORITE GEAR:
Computer / Interface:
Mac M1 Studio Max sweetwater.sjv.io/anOMOo
Avid Carbon sweetwater.sjv.io/ZQ6M6g
Apogee Duet 3 sweetwater.sjv.io/y2qXqb
Monitors / Headphones:
Avantone CLA-10a sweetwater.sjv.io/WqyMyZ
Audio Technica ATH-M50 sweetwater.sjv.io/PyOMON
Microphones:
Shure SM57 sweetwater.sjv.io/daOMy7
AKG D112 sweetwater.sjv.io/Kj0MBy
Sennheiser e604 sweetwater.sjv.io/DKyvWa
Shure SM7b sweetwater.sjv.io/5g5vk3
AKG C451b sweetwater.sjv.io/jre9Rv
Shure SM81 sweetwater.sjv.io/eK1LnD
Audio Technica AT4050 sweetwater.sjv.io/JzKMqr
Preamps/Outboard:
API 3124 sweetwater.sjv.io/eK1LRD
EL8 Distressor sweetwater.sjv.io/XYmMd4
Favorite Plugins:
BSA Clipper blacksaltaudio.com/clipper
Escalator blacksaltaudio.com/escalator
Low Control blacksaltaudio.com/low-control
Waves SSL Bundle waves.alzt.net/dMd4q
Waves CLA Compressors waves.alzt.net/0va0P
Waves Platinum waves.alzt.net/jxz2M
Slate Trigger 2 sweetwater.sjv.io/MmAM53
SoundToys Rack sweetwater.sjv.io/xkLgyd
Auto-tune Pro sweetwater.sjv.io/OreMYr
Vocalign Project sweetwater.sjv.io/xkLgyA
Cranesong Phoenix II sweetwater.sjv.io/PyOMrz
Instruments / Amps:
Ludwig Black Beauty Snare sweetwater.sjv.io/1r9vDR
Gibson Les Paul sweetwater.sjv.io/B0nvz1
Evertune Guitars sweetwater.sjv.io/WqyM6P
Fender Jazz Bass sweetwater.sjv.io/nLX5R6
Sansamp Bass Driver DI sweetwater.sjv.io/OreM9Q
EVH 5150 sweetwater.sjv.io/4PGvr9
Mesa 2x12 cab sweetwater.sjv.io/75avGA - เพลง
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hey! great vid. and thanks. The "Download" button on the link does not work. thanks!
Ahahahahah 2:52 "we'll work on the toms later". It's good to see we're all the same and we all leave toms for last because they're annoying.
haha, i always avoid them for as long as possible
First start is that the original performance is fantastic and it's well recorded.
Paul Koehler is a beast
I appreciate the "No Samples Allowed" mixing tutorial, more of this please!
I agree, there’s something about being able to tell there is samples in a production that truly does suck the life out of it. It’s not some stuck up trend to avoid samples. Especially with this style of music
@@queenpurple8433 You can't tell there's samples in a production, I don't understand how you can tell when samples by definition are real recorded drums.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU! Real drums do still exist. Few and far between these days. When when someone has the courage to record and mix real drums, it makes me so happy. To be able to see how to mix real drums is such valuable information that is so hard to come by. Thank you!
There’s a plug-in called “drum leveler” that can really help out with kick drum situations like this and getting the weaker hits to punch through. I find it can further eliminate the need to blend in a sample.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s absolutely one of my desert island plugins. What took me two hours of cleaning up bleed and fade ins and outs from tom tracks takes me now only fifteen minutes give or take. The post gate after leveling is such a game changer. Can’t recommend that plugin enough
Only issue I have w drum leveler is that the frequency balance of a lightly hit drum (especially kick drum) is much different than one that is hit hard. A softer hit tends to have very little of that click sound and a lot of bass. So when you raise all the hits to the same level, it tends to sound very unnatural and often muddy.
I'm recording an album right now with all real drums. Very rarely used samples and never replaced the real drums, just an occasional reinforcement. Its a challenge and a dying art, but Jordan obviously does it extremely well. BTW, Jordan, Silencer is a game changer for real drum recording. I don't say that often, but it truly is the best gate I've ever used. Thanks for great content
I saw this video a couple of days ago and can't get this song out of my mind ever since!
This whole production is the sound of my childhood man, what an excellent job you did!
Any chance of a follow up video or maybe small series, where you brake down the other elements of the production too for us aspiring producers who wanna be more like you?🤔
Cheers from London
Jordan, thank you for everything you have done for this community. This video, as always, is a goldmine.
This is really cool man! Would be awesome if did a video on setting relative volumes like how loud the bass is relation to the kick for instance
Thanks Jordan very helpful to watch the whole process bringing together all the tips youve talked about regarding individual drums previously
I really enjoy your mixing videos. By far the best I have come across on the tube, and I'm not even a hardcore head really, even if I used to be. I wish more mixing vids should be of your stature for other genres where you really can get a feel of the process and the workflow. Love the no nonses approach and your consistency with you plugins of choice. Keep up the great work dude!
This is gold. Thank you Jordan!
This style of content is always nice.
Always enjoy watching U work! thanks!!!!!!!!!
This is amazing. Thank you Jordan!
Hey Jordan you are awesome! Appreciate your sharing, I was searching for such info. Best wishes!!!
This is awesome! Thank you for this!
I like that I can also actually hear what you are doing --> A lot of the times with mixing videos people do something and I can simply just not hear any difference...
Love the Video. Thank you. And also I have to tell you I love Silencer very much. Grabbed it instantly, when it came out. Was a real no brainer. Never got so quick results that sound so amizing. If this thing would also have a leveler, it would make all other gates obsolete. Again, thank you for all your highly educating content. Cheers from Germany.
These videos are so valuable.
Awesome video, thanks Jordan!
I always wanted to watch more about mixing drums without using drum samples. Cause I like to understand the process behind and the difference on it. So thanks!
The kick at the beginning sounded like a basketball and that the end it sounded crazy good! Awesome stuff
Always love your videos. Altho I've mixed for over a decade, I just like seeing masters work on their craft. One of the few times I've watched a video recently where someone did the moves I was thinking. I was like "that room is a bit woofy" and then you cut around 200. Then I thought the room mics were a bit much and then you gated to mostly have the snare pop out. I feel validated lol.
Excelente video!
This is great, thank you!.. more of this start to finish mixes pls
really really nice work!
Thank you for this video!
Thanks for tackling this topic, Jordan. Being a long time follower, I know that you often use samples as a light augmentation to an otherwise great organic kick or snare. Interestingly, I've seen folks in other videos of yours comment that your drums are 100% samples and that it doesn't apply to them. That couldn't be further from the truth in the cases I've ever seen. I think this video will help to clear up the capabilities of working purely with organic drums and how far one can get if they desire to use no samples. Probably not recommended in modern mixes, but a good practice to get the real drums as good as possible and go from there. Cheers
"Not recommended in modern mixes"? F*#($ all that noise. That attitude is why everything sounds homogenised and and soulless.
damnit.. well i'm going for second!! we just recorded drums in a studio.. so this is going to be helpful!
Your free videos are better than what most guys put out as paid content.
Absolutely love this content, very helpful in understanding how a professional works! What would be really helpful for people like me though would be if you describe what you're listening out for when doing things like eq and compression, as it can be hard to hear perfectly without great speakers, so understanding your thought process and what you're trying to fine tune, and how to hear that, would be a massive help
I've even been experimenting with Silencer on room mics, and it actually works! Takes a little finesse but with added compression and / or clipping, it makes for some fantastic snare drum and tom reinforcement. So, Silencer first, then enveloper to accentuate transient info, and voila!
Damn that drummer is KILLER, how the hell did he manage to be that consistent with his dynamics and time is legit weird. Great video!
Chances are he isn't. Drums are probably quantized and the compression from the mixing destroys any kind of dynamics in his playing.
My preference for the kick would be 1. Lengthen the time on the BSA Silencer. 2. You could always cut and paste harder kick notes to where that one part gets softer. Thanks for the run-through though! 👍
Great video man! You should do it with the rest of the song!!!
Thank you!
Love your content and I really enjoy these deep dive step-by-step process videos! For when I really want to be able to critically listen to your content in my studio, it would be really cool if your channel opted for the higher audio bit-rate option on TH-cam! This may not be worth it for everyone, but for those that really are trying to critically listen on decent set ups it would be worthwhile! just a thought. 🙃
Thank you,!
Thanks 👍
What a pleasure to watch! Odd question, but what are the "lightning bolts" above the pan knobs?
Hi Jordan! Love your channel! I was wondering, what settings do you use on your CLA10’s? (The tissue knob) all the way on or off? So full brightness or do you go for a slight darker setting? I find it pretty confusing haha.
you are the best!
Hi friend nice video ! Got 2 questions for you.
1. At what volume by SPL do you mix with your CLA 10 ?
2. What VTPC knob setting do you eneded up using with the CLA 10s ?
Thanks anticipated !
Great video thank you jordan, could we know how the drums were recorded? on a console or external preamp? you have already done some EQ and gate on the recording so that your track is so clean ?
Incredibly good video. I prefer your new mix with the real drums to the samples. This is punk rock - the slate sample drum sound is just too manufactured. Really helpful to see how fast you can work.
Exactly. I see so many videos teaching "pro production" but every one of them ends up sounding the same - sterile, manufactured and fake. A real producer understands the style of the song and mixes accordingly. The mix in the video is bordering electronic music - exactly the opposite of what punk rock seeks to achieve.
25:26 he hears the toms 😂😂
When are gonna get the studio tour?
Hello!
there is an option to have send faders to look like you have instead click on each one of them separately?
Hey great vid! I was wondering what you use to stream the audio from Pro Tools? Looks and sounds great
wanna ask some random question. What is differences between put channel strip on every channel with only on gtr bus, vocal bus etc?
There's these vibes when you are sure you can mix an old project way better with a little more experience (or way more experience) in the pocket and just end making it worse in a way. :D Well this didn't make it worse and maybe a little better but all in all I'm just saying that cherish the stuff you've done and make it better next time. I'm not a native english speaker so I dont' really know how my english translates but at least my intention was to be uplifting. :D
I like to use some sort of exciter on the kick to get extra attack. But I'm still not sure that would be enough for those quieter hits.
Can anyone explain in more detail the part about side chaining the expander for the hall mic.
Question. My parallel drum comp track is also routed to my drum bus. Is that wrong? Should it just go straight to my master?
Sounds like a squeaky kick pedal. Or is that ringing in the snare? Did you try WD40.vst?
Did you mix the original version / mix of this song? It's great.
Damn, thank you so much! Mixing real drums is a big challenge for me.
Great video👍what is your opinion on slate VSX?
Seeing you have the SSL as your go-to channel strip, have you ever considered the Softube Console 1? I had it for a few years and loved the ergonomics, my only complaint was the lack of a range control on the gate.
You can buy other gates for C1 that have a range. In fact I think most of them do, perhaps the one that ships with it doesnt
Hi. Don't You have a problem with a cymbals bleeding in a snare mic ? I can't find the way to debleed my snares :(
Do you use side chain compression for drums and bass?
Nice
I wish had this material when I started. I didn't have access to the raw material until a studio friend outsourced the editing to me.
Are you using the Avid Artist Mix controller?
Okay I have a wild idea to help solve that lack of consistency in the kick attack…
What if you were to apply a white noise track and then side chain it to open a gate with the kick track? Then you could LP down to 2.6k and HP up to 2.4k to give you a white noise trigger at 2.5khz. Then go back to the gate and fine tune it to to really focus in on that transient. I mean you could do this with any frequency obviously. I just chose 2.5k to make the point.
I’ve heard of this done before on (I think) megadeth albums from the 80’s maybe early 90’s. I’ve wanted to try it but I always fight the problem and reach for other solutions instead.
I mean there’s so many potential solutions to any problem in a mix, I tend to stray away from the experimental stuff sometimes. But this particular idea stays rattling around in my head.
that was an awesome video and resulting sound. but i was surprised that you seemingly ignored potential phase problems. starting with you skipping the stage where you add micro delays to the mics to find the perfect phase relationship in the first place. not a fan of that? or already did that before? also you put a lowcut on the overheads instead of a lowshelf, despite it introducing at least one phase rotation, depending on the slope. or was it a linear phase filter? i don't know that plugin myself. what's your opinion on phase-related mixing topics like these?
btw loved the trick where you used the downwards expander on the room send to add focus to the snare!
I never do anything like that! I want to mix, not to math
05:52 - this is not output, this is input))
Sounds great as always😊, you’re looking a little pasty and tired there buddy ...get some rest get some sun🧐
my biggest hang up these days is how hot to set my overheads/cymbals. any tips on how load to reference them say compared to snare/kick? for various genres?
I aim for kick snare to have -6db peaks on average and cymbals/overheads to hit -15 to -18db on the snare peaks.
Metric AB is a plugin that allows you to quickly switch between your own mix and a reference within your DAW session. Try using that to help set levels!
@@ianmunn this tip right here gave me an objective target to hit and immediately I got the balance I was looking for. I actually went a little lower on kick snare OH’s, but that’s based on my bus processing. thanks a ton for sharing
Oh... This drum mix was so great
Next time, the guitar for this song... in bass order
It would be more helpful if you could do the same song
any reason why you don't use L1 on drums? Wouldn't that help solve the kick issue? The natural drums sounded really nice!
just watch the mix nerd. L1 isn't for everything
@@orangemanfascist I did and enjoyed the thoughtful, free content and asked a question related instead of crying about the track
Haha this is how I do a cover. Just stick the hardcore beat under it and call it done 🤣🤣
I have a question for when you DO use snare samples…what the hell do you do with ghost notes? Doesn’t it sound weird when softer notes sound like they’re being hit by a different drum? I’ll blend in kick samples for fast double bass but have always avoided snare samples for this reason.
Gotta print your samples. Set your drum replacement software for the hard hits, then go through with a lower threshold and print the ghost notes. Always works better when you have a multi-velocity sample. It's tedious and a bit annoying but it makes all of the difference. Especially on something as dynamic as a snare.
@@wallsdownstudios4112 don’t you get a ton of false hits from mic bleed?
Usually what I do is create another empty track below your snare track, find all your ghost notes, cut and drag them down to the second track. This way you have more adjustability to manipulate the volume and also eq it differently from the main track.
Either that or you can also automate your threshold line to drop down to the ghost notes then bring the threshold line back up to the harder hits. I’ve used trigger 2 for years, but will work with any drum replacer
@@theopinson3851 not really. I'll put an EQ before the triggering software during this process to hone in on the fundamental of the drum if i'm having an issue. But I do have to tweak the threshold while printing the ghost notes. So one pass through with the main hits at a high threshold, then just punch in the ghost notes at a lower threshold.
Watching at this moment
You basically did most of that mix with the drums solo'd, which I thought was the number rule of what not to do. I guess since you were largely grouping the drums together, that doesn't count as solo'ing? I am so dumb. I've taken that to mean you should be doing this kind of mixing with the guitars and everything else playing.
I have said that I haven't listened any other pro mixing so perfect a song like u are. What is making curious though, is that you don't care about oversampling... Don't you think that aliasing is building up in your mixes? So many compression and saturation and clipping..
Zero cares at all. Oversampling is a youtuber problem not a real mixer problem.
If you can't hear the problem... is it really a problem?
@@hardcoremusicstudio I respect you because you always speak nicely and to the point. Though many fantastic mixing engineers like Dan Worall have said many things about oversampling. Could your simple trick is that you are mixing in 192khz? Anyway I would love a video with your opinion and approach relatively with aliasing. It doesn't matter what others say for sure...what mostly matters is the approach and if it sounds good.
Hi Jordan! What's your choice of sample rate for mixing?
48k
@@hardcoremusicstudio thank you Jordan!
When can we expect the finished studio tour?
Soon! Just a few finishing touches remaining… waiting on some electrical materials that are taking forever to arrive.
Who's the band?
Cool, bit sounds like a midi 🤷♂️
Great video! Jordan what the hell did you crash? or did it come to fistacuffs on a unpaid project?🤣
Haha. I was waiting for someone to comment. I took a puck to the face on my backyard rink
@@hardcoremusicstudio ouch, that could of been a lot worse. Them pucks are no joke.
im 1 st 😃😃😃
Sounds already mixed to me.. 😂
I'm so glad I didn't do that as a career.
In general, thank you for busting “new myths.” There are so many standard practices, techniques and what can only be called “lore” that are no longer apt. I started mixing at what I would call the “advent” of diy/itb. So many fundamentals of live mixing/gain staging no longer apply to studio recordings. Shit, they barely apply to live sound anymore.
All the info keeps hitting you tube almost as fast as the technology changes.
Please keep debunking what can only be considered the latest “old school”
Remastered version? Lol
Sorry but nothing in this tutorial is really " clear" ... beyond the drummer's playing. In my opinion Eric is not explaining anything about mixing, he just mixing Infront of a camera. Sorry...not what I was expecting from a real professional.
Could you not copy and paste the fast kick hits to their own track with different compression settings?