Beta XTrainer, Lucky fork insert AND valving by All Moto Performance vs. 2020 KTM 250 XC-W TPi.
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- I am so macho I must upgrade my suspension! Part Two of a day at odges Village Dam is a back-to-back comparison of a 2020 250 XC-W Tpi and a XTrainer with Lucky fork insert and AMP valving in the fork and stock shock. Also many jokes -- some we make on purpose!
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Came for the review, stayed for the friendship
We got plenty of that, for example
Beta 200 RR Race vs. Deep Water at East Freetown. Also: Dave!
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Watched the whole vid. Came to the comments after and was puzzeled to see that you only had 159 Subs. Had to change that. Hopefully I´ll ride one too one day.
Yes, there should be thousands of subscribers! Comic genius, great video, and all free of charge! I appreciate the comment, truly. Thank you.
The stock forks on the Xtrainer are flat out dangerous in rocks. On mine I’d hit a rock, it would dive and then shoot me off in a random direction. I went with the Beta 48mm conversion and that helped a lot.
I was about to pull the trigger on the 48mm setup! I read some posts on the BetaRiders forum and figured I could do the Lucky insert and AMP custom damping in one step without having to replace triple clamps. I took a chance . . .
@@eddielawsonjr.8705 probably way cheaper to do the cartridge too. I think I’ll order mine soon.
@@sampep If you have the 48MM, you should talk to the guy at AMP. He will have something worthwhile to say (revalve 48MM or . . . do something else). I found it helpful to hear his opinions and reasoning. Made me more confident that I was making an educated choice and dealing with someone who had relevant experience and good judgment.
Great video thanks for sharing. Saying the 250 TPI has one of the best suspensions is funny, I had a 250 TPI too and like on all my (about 8) former KTM's (450's, 350's, 300's, 250's) the suspension is simply average. But it was great once I had invested thousand bucks. And I have a XTrainer (2022) too, its suspension is better than from the earlier models and its engine is slightly stronger and smoother too. Like you I will go for a suspension upgrade for the parts with a bit higher speed, real high speed will probably need a complete front fork but I am a slower rider anyway. Thanks again, was fun to watch!
Did I say it was one of the best? It is, now that I think of it, although it was redone by Factory Connection! I have stock stuff on the 300 XC-W and it’s good. Not great, but definitely very good for stock stuff.
It does have a power valve if you’re looking to increase performance of your engine power valve is on the left side of your engine pull the spacer out replace exhaust pipe from a 300 RR or buy an FMF for a 300 RR
Lazy description on my part. In fact, the XTrainer uses the 300 RR motor and includes a power valve. Significantly, though, the volume of the power valve system on the XTrainer is much, much larger than on the 300 RR. A spacer is inserted to achieve this. The result is that the XTrainer has no real power spike or hit like the RR. Also worth knowing: you can take out the spacer and have a power valve setup identical to that on the 300 RR. Which I did and thought was a good modification. It was very inexpensive, too. Just a new gasket and four bolts, if I recall correctly.
Fast flowing trails like you ride there the xtrainer is definitely not the best choice but if you put the xtrainer on a black diamond mountain trail climb than it is! Buy a tpi and when you come across that gnarly mountain trail take the beta. Enjoyed your vid it is well said with good insight! On my xtrainer I resprung the front and rear for my weight with gear as stock springs are way too soft. I then had the beta up grade dampener put in the fork. Suspension works much better on the fast bumps yet still has the nice plush suspension for tech stuff
Agreed - although the new suspension makes a big difference, the XTrainer is not as good for big speed. I could tell that easily when going back to back with the 250 TPi.
I'm confused as to what you mean by "it doesn't have a powervalve" of course it does? You did make me laugh though...."Yeah, yeah....I know ....Counter Balanced Douche!"
Lazy description on my part. In fact, the XTrainer uses the 300 RR motor and includes a power valve. Significantly, though, the volume of the power valve system on the XTrainer is much, much larger than on the 300 RR. A spacer is inserted to achieve this. The result is that the XTrainer has no real power spike or hit like the RR. Also worth knowing: you can take out the spacer and have a power valve setup identical to that on the 300 RR. Which I did and thought was a good modification. It was very inexpensive, too. Just a new gasket and four bolts, if I recall correctly.
Great video I wanted the X Trainer I ended up with the 21 Husky TX300 great vid on making the X trainer a better machine
Thank you! The XTrainer was really good with the suspension upgrades. I ended up getting a Beta 200RR which I found to be a lot more exciting hahaha. Enjoy the TX - I’d love to try one 🤔
I have a 2020 Beta 300RR and after I restrung it for my weight the suspension is now motocross suspension. But I’m racing Enduro’s so I’m going to be sending it to AMP next week so Arron can hopefully work his Magic on my bike. And then I will have the most dangerous Enduro’s weapon in Eastern Tennessee.
Hmm - any enduros there worth a 17 hour drive?
@@eddielawsonjr.8705 not any more. I use to come up your way during the summer and ride the Enduro’s in your area of the country. So I would say the Best riding is still in PA and Delaware.
@@Johnr37us if you’re looking for a place to unleash that Beta, come try the Sandlapper - SETRA.org. Really fun
@@eddielawsonjr.8705 Well I have already secured myself for the first round of the National Enduro on row 81.Because of the race being next week I was not able to get my suspension sent off in time and revalued before the race so im going to put my front forks that I had on my 300 KTM on the Beta. So I will be racing a Frankenstein /Beta this 1st race .
@@Johnr37us FrankenBeta - impressive. We have an enduro next weekend. I think I will race the XTrainer with the new suspension. Hmm. Or the 200??
You said "damping" instead of wetting! Automatic like! Edit: I'd thumbs up again for the "counterbalance douche" comment!
Counterbalancer envy is real…
Great bike and some good information here!
Some good information, and a lot of misleading and useless fake news! Very happy with AMP. More on that in future videos.
Years ago I did the DS ride that left out of loudon race track .
Fun but it was tough for sure .
I planned on racing some hare scrambles / enduros but I feel like I need more seat time to be competitive.
I would race in the super senior C class . My goal would be to finish not looking to win but I don’t want to be a speed bump for the fast guys .
I say go for it!
I did a few DS this year .
The green ridge
Durty Dabbers
Michaux
Hallow in wallow
Seven mountain
And the green ridge again
I missed the RORR for unforeseen reasons
And plan on doing the Dirty Santa
My buddy is doing the hammer run this weekend
Which I would have done but got sidelined with covid
The freeride has no power valve however the beta does.
Correct - I was wrong. The chamber for the power valve has a large spacer that increases volume and reduces pressure - effectively eliminating the power valve effect. But you ran remove the spacer, and it’s got the power valve of the 300 RR. add a 300RR pipe, and you have serious power.
Hello, enjoying your XTrainer content. Could you tell me your sag settings and how high forks in triple clamp?
I wish I could - I do not recall those settings. I think fork was flush though.
Good track for fast enduro!!!
Enduro on Ibiza? I can only imagine how cool that is.
I enjoy your videos, where do you ride most of the time .
I ride a 21 ktm 300 xcw tpi
I mostly ride at FRO and occasionally at Wharton.
I ride the same - ‘21 300 xc-W. We ride in MA, NH, and Pachaug (sometimes). Pachaug is fun, but I haven’t had to find my way alone yet.
Would you happen to have a link to the suspension guy?
You’re looking for Aaron Hlad at All Moto Performance: facebook.com/allmotoperformance/ 👍👍
How are you liking it a couple years later? What is your weight?
I think I outgrew the XTrainer - sold it to a guy who is in these videos! th-cam.com/video/w2a__-g3sbE/w-d-xo.html. Still love the AMP stuff. Got it on the 390, it is very close to KYB level. Really good.
Hello, please show me your mounting
Which mounting?
Riding skills and technique will work Wonders…
Skill and techniques- we’re working on it! Getting better, bit by bit.
Not getting jarred to death and not being afraid of speed or obstacles goes a long way to accelerating skill and technique....
What state do you ride in?? Looks like great trails!
Mostly in New Hampshire and Massachusetts. Rocks, rocks, roots. We will be traveling more this year I think. New York? Virginia?
Dont they make a diff pipe for it ? And computer upgrade ?
I believe you can put any 300 RR pipe on it, and the stock one is different - if that’s what you mean. I don’t know about a computer upgrade, but it would make sense if it had a different ignition map. I don’t know enough about that to say.
What years did you road raced
I raced at loudon and bridgehampton
From 89-93
Much later - like 2007. What did you race?
I raced a 1986 gsxr 750
AMA/CCS Gp/pro
Heavyweight
Production
Super sport
Super bike
Did you ever race against Polen or Sadowski?
Dale quarterly was the man in the club.
I have some great photos of Doug and Scott sitting on pit wall at Daytona just bullshiting . I think it was 92-93
The woods were big ,Eric wood we used to call him splinter back in the day lol . His dad used to over see the track But Don Hutchinson and his wife ran the track .
I raced against Rick Duquette , I believe he still races.
1/4ley! Those were good times. I was in races with Doucette, but I was never close to racing him. Eric Wood is still fast - crazy.
How does the rear shocker hold up now the front handles well. I have come off pretty hard on my x trainer , when i was hitting 3rd gear in a big ditch. I would love to do the same on my front suspension. Also i think you can get a power valve upgrade from beta now. Cheers .
The revalve on the shock is a good match for the front -- we are waiting for a break in the weather to test the combo for real. Like you, I have seen the dark side of the XTrainer, and I need some time before I go "full send" even with the new suspension! I have investigated the power valve option, including taking off the spacer to make the power valve chamber the same size as the 300RR (who knew?!). I have also heard that adding a Gnarly pipe makes a huge difference all by itself. Hmmm. Tempting.
I will be going the Gnarly pipe at some stage and the spacer aswell as shaving the head. But not untill the suspension is sorted.