Except that the only reason behind Articuno being notorious in VGC is because it has always has been notoriously terrible, even moreso in doubles than in singles. The fact that it caught any sort of breakout success is a miracle in of itself, so pointing and laughing at that one relatively obscure fact is kind of just taking the piss.
Has 100 genuinely been "exceptional"? Besides maybe Gen 1? It's always been decent or good but if it lacks other traits it's just not impressive. And never was.
@@sakulhd8189wasn’t Galarian Corsola literally in Gen 8 OU for like a year because it had 100 base defense and special defense while having access to Eviolite?
The fun part is that its not even the first time Vulpix was banned in a tier this generation. It was banned in PU and NU as well at earlier points in Scarlet and Violets history. Drought is just that good.
At one point Vulpix was banned from PU, but ninetales had just fallen, and was legal to use, meaning that for a short time Vulpix was ranked higher than ninetales (then the ban came)
Listen, the type is still dogshit, but that doesn't mean you can't make broken Pokemon in the type. Take Galarian Darmanitan and turn it into a Bug/Grass type without changing anything else and it'd still annihilate OU. Meanwhile if you went and turned Lugia into a pure Ice type, it'd drop from Ubers to OU.
Historically fast offensive ice types have been really good, It's just that they generally suck at anything else outside of that. At least until they added snow and slush rush.
@@Skeloperch It would be far worse. Ice is the worst defensive type, but arguably the best offensive type. Ice/Bug is the worst defensive typing in the game, but Frosmoth is honestly kinda usable because 1. STAB Ice Beam 2. Quiver Dance. If it was just a diet version of Volc, it would suck. If it was Grass/Bug, it would suck. It still KINDA sucks, but if it magically survives one turn it can pop off. And being Ice is 50% of the reason. If Ice/Rock ever got put on something with not awful stat spread, it would tear things up despite being God awful defensively as well.
Literally the “who would win?” meme. But instead of making me laugh, it makes me sad because I like Articuno, and it’s just been shafted like all the other older Pokémon due to power creep.
Yes, all of the older pokemon have been shafted by powercreep. That is definitely a true statement you have made. Vulpix, as an example, is doing so much worse now than it did in RBY. (It's hard to convey tone through text - I'm being disingenuous)
I always like bringing this little trivia up, but Moonlight, Synthesis and Morning Sun were actually a trio of healing moves that were based on the *time* of day, with Night, Day and Morning respectively being the time they're most effective. It was just changed to be Sun moves probably because they didnt want to put clocks in all their games moving forward.
Hey, great video! One quick note: ZU actually stands for ZeroUsed. I know it doesn’t make grammatical sense, but I was the Tier Leader (Xayah on smogon) when it came to smogon, and we decided on that over not standing for anything Always good to see ZU content on youtube
I especially love that then the ZU community spun it into a cool slogan, "Zero to hero!" ❤ Meanwhile PU having a number of possible meanings and they didn't endorse any of them. (Seriously, you see "Particularly Unused" and you don't take it up? lol)
@@adamperdue3178 I wouldn't go as far as to say PU as a tier stinks just because they refused to do an actual acronym, but it certainly isn't the kind of decision I would have made. Then again, maybe you're just dropping by to say you found PU bad in terms of playing it, and I'm assuming a direct connection to my comment where there's none.
@@yokaipinata1416 PU. As in they're stinky. That's why they went with PU. I actually normally play in PU and RU formats. (Or I was, rather, when I was more into competitive in gen 6-7)
Eyo is that Radiant Dawn I hear in the background? Tournaments use Doubles and don't ban evasion or OHKO moves, so it makes sense that Articuno can go crazy in them. Blizzard gets twice the chances to freeze, and battles take less time, meaning Articuno will spend a larger percentage of a battle doing its best Clarine impression.
I think the bans are actually dumb af like dawg these tiers are all just made up and not even used by nintendo if im being honest, im starting to think that the community are manipulating the tiers to create easier games to win instead of having to struggle on how to fight x pokemon with y pokemon if that makes sense
I think there are some legitimate reasons to ban certain Pokemon specifically to make the competitive matches more interesting/fun. Otherwise you’d have people playing the same OP team
Statistically, doubles ou has about twice the pokemon variance than vgc, liking the bans or not it keeps the game fresh on top of increasing the competitivity of the game by banning coin flippy strats like evasion or ohko moves
Maybe if Articuno ran Ice beam instead of the inaccurate blizzard against the ZU pokemon, we wouldn't have to worry about banning Vulpix. I think it's a skill issue on Articuno's part if we have to ban a weather setter.
Thing is, if you do that you miss out on a lot of potential damage otherwise, and you'd be worse off vs teams without Vulpix. That being said, if anyone can provide damage calcs of ice beam vs blizzard vs relevant threats in the tier, that would be great
We very much just need a tier above ou. It makes sense to have a place for power crept mons to exist without ou loosing the relative power level it’s had since its inception.
Lets ban Vulpix so sun is less opresive, is not like there is an opposing weather core with actually fully evolved Pokémon in ZU anyway. Yeah, Abomansnow, Beartic and Articuno are gonna be wrecking ZU until a ban happens
Usually but it requires some monstrosity that involves two or more abusers. Gen 8 NU at some point was basically unplayable because hail had no counterplay, it was just unstoppable, to the point Smogon had no chance than to ban Slush Rush as even Beartic and Alolan Sandslash were utterly busted.
Smogon prefers to ban the pokemon rather than the weather if there's only one or two abusers, and the weather getting banned would make the pokemon much, much weaker. This also applies to moves, abilities and so on. The idea being that if you ban the pokemon, the mon has a chance to be used in a higher tier; it's only "one tier down" in power. But if you ban the weather, then the mon would hurtle into comparative irrelevancy. Alternatively if you ban the weather when there's a large amount of weather setters but only one is causing a problem, then you're being unfair to all the other mons who is using it fairly.
@@byeguyssry wouldn't that make this ban worse then? Vulpix is a first stage pokemon, weak too. So banning it just means another drought mon will replace it right? What if that mon has at least mediocre stats? -I'm not deep into pokemon pvp so I don't know if these are actually issues-
@@azure4622 There are only 4 Pokemon with Drought in the entirety of Pokemon: Vulpix, Ninetales, Torkoal, and Groudon. (5 Pokemon if you count Mega Charizard-Y, but Megas aren't relevant to gen 9) Vulpix is the only one of those that was in ZU due to being an NFE, the rest were already in higher tiers. So banning Vulpix completely removes Drought from the tier.
@@fatyoshi696honestly if at some point articuno fell down to subzero used it would be funny, and then realize its a legendary below a tier filled with second stage starters 💀
No way, S4 League music at the end. The memories man... Also yeah, it shows how different singles and doubles are as metagame. But the main reason why you would always prefer something like Vulpix over Sunny Day user is because you give an opponent a free switch. And with how sun teams tend to be offensive, giving that one round of set up may make a different between loss and win depending on the match situation.
This is why I have a love/hate relationship with Pokemon's Competitive Tier's lol UU Used(ha), used to be my favorite competitive tier to play in, it housed most of my favorite pokemon but now I have to deal with several legendaries, psuedo-legends and plenty of pokemon previously in OU in the tier. People say it's powercreep but in a lot of cases it's not, these pokemon are still really good, many pokemon in UU and even RU have use cases in tier's above them it's just, they aren't used enough to reach those tier's. That's why I kinda wish pokemon stuck to the Highest Tier that they've ever been in. BUT, I also like how diverse pokemons Competitive scene can be and that's why it's so damned fun. Now we gotta ban a Little-Cup pokemon from ZU of all places because of one ability lol
I was always super confused about Harsh Sunlight increasing the effectiveness of Moonlight as a healing move. As somebody that runs a sun team, this has driven me nuts. Thanks for explaining.
That's not the explanation. The real thing is that morning sun, synthesis, and moonlight were all healing moves introduced to take advantage of the day-night cycle. When this was removed, they were all just assigned to sun because you can't see the sky clearly in any other weather. Clocks were gone for multiple generations, then brought back, but the clock basis for the moveset was not reinstated, and all three remain assigned to the harsh sunlight/clear skies weather, even though they could totally set the moves by clock again. But pokemon players hate randomness anyways and hate when something outside anyone's control give an advantage, like gambling on playing at night so you equip Moonlight.
@@Xahnel Looking into this a bit more, all 3 moves were introduced in generation 2, and even back then, they all had enhanced healing during harsh sunlight. The time of day aspect interestingly, only came up in generation 2 link battles, with enhanced healing during morning, day, and night respectively. Honestly, this seems extra problematic to me, as it raises the possibility of player clocks being out of sync with each other. The "Clear Skies" translation explains the harsh sunlight phenomenon. The time of day aspect was really niche. As it was a link battle only phenomenon, it would have gone unknown to the vast majority of players. Even then, the weather aspect would have been more likely to come up. Also, the day/night cycle was only gone for generation 3.
PU by legality, but banned pokemon get categorized as "banned from x tier" since they don't actually meet the usage stat required for the tier they occupy
That's a technical ban tho, it was just not legal because both Slush Rush and Snow Cloak were banned. Nearly nothing involving hail was legal in NU actually.
5:55 Not really? I mean that was because the guy who use it had a really good strat with Articuno (A Pokemon that sucks) the fact that it's in ZU is what makes it even better actually lmao And Vulpix is just because of Sun, as someone who playas with that weather all the time on any tier I think is pretty busted) Damn I can even give some use to Leavanny with that in higher tiers depending of the meta ofc
i mean back in gen 1 even if u go down like 7 tiers to zu or whatever (bro i dont know how far down zu is cos theres not a number in it but anyway) u still have some fully evolved pokemon in there (and not even just ditto lol). like u gotta go well below zu in any generation to actually cover every fully evolved pokemon (even excluding super gimmicks like unown or whatever)
Even worse, there is an unrecognized format that is even lower than ZU called SU. Calyrex, Regice and Regigigas are in there, but Calyrex only is there because there isn't even a lower tier.
i mean gen1 has a 10u tier, aa a 10th usable tier. the tier is literally 6 pokemon: Ditto, caterpie, metapod, weedle, kakuna and magikarp. so yes, this team only has 1 possible team and 1 possible moveset combination. with kakuna as the king of the tier because poison sting poison is the best way to deal damage. (apart from ditto struggle crit). the tier exists but is only sometimesa played for meme purposes. th-cam.com/video/9cnft6Dlqgw/w-d-xo.html
It’s funny how different it is what’s viable in doubles and singles. Articuno actually being good in doubles, while mons like Chansey and Toxapex have never been good
There are some good ice type pokemon but the type sucks... if you look at ubers, half those ice type pokemon have at least 680bst, baxcalibur isn't good in ubers. Chien and bundle are solid. But then most ice pokemon are in zu...
One small gripe. To say that snow teams are still horrible is disingenuous. Alolan Ninetails teams were better than ever this gen to the point where other mons that were too good in the archetype got banned in previous formats. Snow teams are also doing really well right now in VGC. Snow not damaging allies makes the weather a whole lot more viable to play around.
Also is it really neccessary to whine for a whole minute that WOAGHH ARTCICYNO IS THE ICE!!!AND HE LOSES TO... LE GRASs?!! BUT LE TYPE CHART!!! Like are you making videos for toddlers or something? Is your intended audience lobotomy patients? Why even bring it up like obviously clorophyll users are going to be better in the sun, type matchups dont instantly invalidate strategy
Pseudo-legendaries are 3 stage pokemon with a base stat total of exactly 600, and a specific exp growth rate. Here is a list of pseudo-legendaries. Dragonite Tyranitar Metagross & Salamence Garchomp Hydreigon Goodra Kommo-o Dragapult Baxcalibur
Over used and Ubers is not based on Usage. They ban things to ubers without usuage all the time and dont ban things that should be banned based on usage. Its all arbitrary
Articuno cooking in vgc yet being worse than VULPHIX in singles is so funny to me
Why format is everything: The Incineroar Theorem.
Except that the only reason behind Articuno being notorious in VGC is because it has always has been notoriously terrible, even moreso in doubles than in singles. The fact that it caught any sort of breakout success is a miracle in of itself, so pointing and laughing at that one relatively obscure fact is kind of just taking the piss.
@@emilackroyd1698 Nah, Articuno is legitimately good in VGC now. The snow changes made it so much better than it used to be.
@@DisastrousIntentionally That's got nothing to do with my comment, sorry.
remember when 100 was exceptional?
Clefable is in OU while not having a single stat reaching 100......
@@nictouris6054what do you mean? Triple digit stats don’t mean much if you can’t bring much else
Has 100 genuinely been "exceptional"? Besides maybe Gen 1? It's always been decent or good but if it lacks other traits it's just not impressive. And never was.
100 has never been really amazing except for maybe speed right?
@@sakulhd8189wasn’t Galarian Corsola literally in Gen 8 OU for like a year because it had 100 base defense and special defense while having access to Eviolite?
Vulpix after getting OHKOd for the 1000th time just to set sun: 👍
And even if it somehow survives, it just commits sudoku anyway
The fun part is that its not even the first time Vulpix was banned in a tier this generation. It was banned in PU and NU as well at earlier points in Scarlet and Violets history. Drought is just that good.
It isnt banned in lc?
@@VeryTastyAlmondszx91It's banned in little cup as well
@@sethmichel6138 oh wow, this lil mf is going off, he is LITERALLY still a newborn.
@@VeryTastyAlmondszx91hes just the average spartan kid
At one point Vulpix was banned from PU, but ninetales had just fallen, and was legal to use, meaning that for a short time Vulpix was ranked higher than ninetales (then the ban came)
"The ice type still sucks"
2 got banned this generation.
Ice stonks are most certainly up.
Listen, the type is still dogshit, but that doesn't mean you can't make broken Pokemon in the type. Take Galarian Darmanitan and turn it into a Bug/Grass type without changing anything else and it'd still annihilate OU. Meanwhile if you went and turned Lugia into a pure Ice type, it'd drop from Ubers to OU.
Historically fast offensive ice types have been really good, It's just that they generally suck at anything else outside of that.
At least until they added snow and slush rush.
@@SkeloperchBug/grass isn’t nearly as good as ice stab tho
@@Skeloperch It would be far worse.
Ice is the worst defensive type, but arguably the best offensive type.
Ice/Bug is the worst defensive typing in the game, but Frosmoth is honestly kinda usable because 1. STAB Ice Beam 2. Quiver Dance.
If it was just a diet version of Volc, it would suck. If it was Grass/Bug, it would suck.
It still KINDA sucks, but if it magically survives one turn it can pop off. And being Ice is 50% of the reason.
If Ice/Rock ever got put on something with not awful stat spread, it would tear things up despite being God awful defensively as well.
@@Skeloperch Garm would probably drop to OU if got Bug/Grass. No STAB on Icicle Crash would hit really hard.
We probably could have banned Drought but banning Vulpix is funnier.
They probably didn't want to deal with discussions of ban drought vs ban all sun, so they just banned vulpix so nobody would complain lmao
Literally the “who would win?” meme. But instead of making me laugh, it makes me sad because I like Articuno, and it’s just been shafted like all the other older Pokémon due to power creep.
Except in this case, it's competition is an unevolved mono-fire type from the same generation. And it's losing.
It's seeing more usage in vgc due to snow at least
Yes, all of the older pokemon have been shafted by powercreep. That is definitely a true statement you have made. Vulpix, as an example, is doing so much worse now than it did in RBY. (It's hard to convey tone through text - I'm being disingenuous)
@@matthewlong7547 and the victim's two siblings are doing much better in comparison, so it MIGHT just be an ice issue
@ChristmasPterodactyl I mean seeing Dragonite in ZU as well is heartbreaking. It never stood a chance to exploit this gens mechanic
I always like bringing this little trivia up, but Moonlight, Synthesis and Morning Sun were actually a trio of healing moves that were based on the *time* of day, with Night, Day and Morning respectively being the time they're most effective. It was just changed to be Sun moves probably because they didnt want to put clocks in all their games moving forward.
Articuno would definitely be PU this gen if only it had access to defog...
And add heal bell too
Hey, great video! One quick note: ZU actually stands for ZeroUsed. I know it doesn’t make grammatical sense, but I was the Tier Leader (Xayah on smogon) when it came to smogon, and we decided on that over not standing for anything
Always good to see ZU content on youtube
I especially love that then the ZU community spun it into a cool slogan, "Zero to hero!" ❤
Meanwhile PU having a number of possible meanings and they didn't endorse any of them.
(Seriously, you see "Particularly Unused" and you don't take it up? lol)
@@yokaipinata1416 PU Stinky
@@adamperdue3178 I wouldn't go as far as to say PU as a tier stinks just because they refused to do an actual acronym, but it certainly isn't the kind of decision I would have made.
Then again, maybe you're just dropping by to say you found PU bad in terms of playing it, and I'm assuming a direct connection to my comment where there's none.
@@yokaipinata1416 PU. As in they're stinky. That's why they went with PU. I actually normally play in PU and RU formats. (Or I was, rather, when I was more into competitive in gen 6-7)
@@adamperdue3178 I'm not sure I get it. It was named "PU" because it "stinks"? I feel like I miss context on how that works.
Anyone else notice the garchomp model was a shiny? 1:59 is an example
Yes, the skin was darker
No, which was probably the reason it was.
@@HeraldOfOpera true
@@samipro5460 oh so people with darker skins arent normal? i see
@@amadora6476 im not talking about people im talking about garchomp
Eyo is that Radiant Dawn I hear in the background?
Tournaments use Doubles and don't ban evasion or OHKO moves, so it makes sense that Articuno can go crazy in them. Blizzard gets twice the chances to freeze, and battles take less time, meaning Articuno will spend a larger percentage of a battle doing its best Clarine impression.
Yeah, VGC lets you do Mind Reader into Sheer Cold. Which is just Roar/Whirlwind with extra steps in most cases but occasionally it'll kill a guy.
Imagine being a Legendary and getting outclassed by a FOX!
It happened to Mewtwo in Super Smash Bros. Melee lol.
DANG RIGHT WE STAND STRONG
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
your fire emblem music is so cool lmao
thanks for the video
I think the bans are actually dumb af like dawg these tiers are all just made up and not even used by nintendo if im being honest, im starting to think that the community are manipulating the tiers to create easier games to win instead of having to struggle on how to fight x pokemon with y pokemon if that makes sense
I think there are some legitimate reasons to ban certain Pokemon specifically to make the competitive matches more interesting/fun. Otherwise you’d have people playing the same OP team
Statistically, doubles ou has about twice the pokemon variance than vgc, liking the bans or not it keeps the game fresh on top of increasing the competitivity of the game by banning coin flippy strats like evasion or ohko moves
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Pokémon fans when the meta begins to slightly change: ban it
Maybe if Articuno ran Ice beam instead of the inaccurate blizzard against the ZU pokemon, we wouldn't have to worry about banning Vulpix.
I think it's a skill issue on Articuno's part if we have to ban a weather setter.
You mean the player's
Thing is, if you do that you miss out on a lot of potential damage otherwise, and you'd be worse off vs teams without Vulpix. That being said, if anyone can provide damage calcs of ice beam vs blizzard vs relevant threats in the tier, that would be great
@@donaldbaird7849Christ, the player may have to consider tradeoffs BAN THE FOX
SLUGMA GUTS
Sounds tasty
it rymes on slugma these nu....
@@5thKind-rc1gl They have become better. But they arent't good. they are probably decent now.
I hear they made a new way to catch Pokémon using Slugma...
We very much just need a tier above ou. It makes sense to have a place for power crept mons to exist without ou loosing the relative power level it’s had since its inception.
Lets ban Vulpix so sun is less opresive, is not like there is an opposing weather core with actually fully evolved Pokémon in ZU anyway.
Yeah, Abomansnow, Beartic and Articuno are gonna be wrecking ZU until a ban happens
That thumbnail really got me
Wait, aren't weather abilities *themselves* banned in most of the low tiers?
I think it tends to depend, sometimes it's the weather, sometimes it's combinations, like swift swim and drizzle
Usually but it requires some monstrosity that involves two or more abusers.
Gen 8 NU at some point was basically unplayable because hail had no counterplay, it was just unstoppable, to the point Smogon had no chance than to ban Slush Rush as even Beartic and Alolan Sandslash were utterly busted.
Smogon prefers to ban the pokemon rather than the weather if there's only one or two abusers, and the weather getting banned would make the pokemon much, much weaker. This also applies to moves, abilities and so on. The idea being that if you ban the pokemon, the mon has a chance to be used in a higher tier; it's only "one tier down" in power. But if you ban the weather, then the mon would hurtle into comparative irrelevancy. Alternatively if you ban the weather when there's a large amount of weather setters but only one is causing a problem, then you're being unfair to all the other mons who is using it fairly.
@@byeguyssry wouldn't that make this ban worse then? Vulpix is a first stage pokemon, weak too. So banning it just means another drought mon will replace it right? What if that mon has at least mediocre stats?
-I'm not deep into pokemon pvp so I don't know if these are actually issues-
@@azure4622 There are only 4 Pokemon with Drought in the entirety of Pokemon: Vulpix, Ninetales, Torkoal, and Groudon. (5 Pokemon if you count Mega Charizard-Y, but Megas aren't relevant to gen 9) Vulpix is the only one of those that was in ZU due to being an NFE, the rest were already in higher tiers. So banning Vulpix completely removes Drought from the tier.
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Fun video to keep track of the news despite not playing pokemon the drama is just too fresh to skip
Really good vid!
really emphasizing that ObAmasnow
ZU doesn't stand for Zero-use ?
PU stands for please use
Named that way because it is the last tier you can fall to, and Z is the last letter of the alphabet. But yes, Zero-Use works
ZU does stand for zero used, and in the same way the unofficial tier below ZU is called SU for subzero used
@@fatyoshi696honestly if at some point articuno fell down to subzero used it would be funny, and then realize its a legendary below a tier filled with second stage starters 💀
@@emiliotanadi7358 It'd be kind of suitable for the snow bird to be there, no?
Idk whats with Slugma themed channels popping left and right but you guys rock
fire video, sub earned
Dat Fire Emblem music. God I miss PoR and RD.
They're still there, dummy.
Don't miss what can run on basically every device
I'm just hoping the Oricorios move up a tier or two soon, I love them
ZU stands for zero used
I just realized vulpix is now technically in pu
No way, S4 League music at the end. The memories man...
Also yeah, it shows how different singles and doubles are as metagame.
But the main reason why you would always prefer something like Vulpix over Sunny Day user is because you give an opponent a free switch. And with how sun teams tend to be offensive, giving that one round of set up may make a different between loss and win depending on the match situation.
You win. You get me to write a comment for Bysharp and Duralahdawn
huh, why not just ban drought then? just a tendency to not do complex bans?
I sense a fellow Articuno in that thumbnail. 👀
This is why I have a love/hate relationship with Pokemon's Competitive Tier's lol UU Used(ha), used to be my favorite competitive tier to play in, it housed most of my favorite pokemon but now I have to deal with several legendaries, psuedo-legends and plenty of pokemon previously in OU in the tier.
People say it's powercreep but in a lot of cases it's not, these pokemon are still really good, many pokemon in UU and even RU have use cases in tier's above them it's just, they aren't used enough to reach those tier's. That's why I kinda wish pokemon stuck to the Highest Tier that they've ever been in. BUT, I also like how diverse pokemons Competitive scene can be and that's why it's so damned fun.
Now we gotta ban a Little-Cup pokemon from ZU of all places because of one ability lol
It's Smogon, what did you expect?
It’s a freaking Vulpix!
I was always super confused about Harsh Sunlight increasing the effectiveness of Moonlight as a healing move.
As somebody that runs a sun team, this has driven me nuts.
Thanks for explaining.
That's not the explanation.
The real thing is that morning sun, synthesis, and moonlight were all healing moves introduced to take advantage of the day-night cycle. When this was removed, they were all just assigned to sun because you can't see the sky clearly in any other weather. Clocks were gone for multiple generations, then brought back, but the clock basis for the moveset was not reinstated, and all three remain assigned to the harsh sunlight/clear skies weather, even though they could totally set the moves by clock again.
But pokemon players hate randomness anyways and hate when something outside anyone's control give an advantage, like gambling on playing at night so you equip Moonlight.
@@Xahnel Looking into this a bit more, all 3 moves were introduced in generation 2, and even back then, they all had enhanced healing during harsh sunlight.
The time of day aspect interestingly, only came up in generation 2 link battles, with enhanced healing during morning, day, and night respectively. Honestly, this seems extra problematic to me, as it raises the possibility of player clocks being out of sync with each other.
The "Clear Skies" translation explains the harsh sunlight phenomenon. The time of day aspect was really niche. As it was a link battle only phenomenon, it would have gone unknown to the vast majority of players. Even then, the weather aspect would have been more likely to come up.
Also, the day/night cycle was only gone for generation 3.
As someone whose favorite pokemon is nintales, this isn't surprising.
NO NOT MY BOI WHY 😢
I didn't even know ZU existed until I saw this video
So what tier is Vulpix on now since Vulpix is such a power house.
PU by legality, but banned pokemon get categorized as "banned from x tier" since they don't actually meet the usage stat required for the tier they occupy
Tbh, considering its Pokedex entry, im surprised Magcargo doesnt have Drought as an ability.
Isn't the real point to ban drought though?
Articuno isn't doing well in singles because Snow Cloak is banned. The set that won a tournament was a Snow Cloak Articuno.
just run psyduck.
PLEASE PLAY GEN 6 ZU 🔥🔥
Vulpix has always been my favorite. I love when it crops up again in the meta, messing with people like an absolute menace.
With Vulpix being my favorite Pokemon in the series, I find this strangely satisfying to hear the she has an interesting niche.
I mean in gen 8 alolan sandshrew actually got banned from NU and ended up in NUBL when gen 8 finished alongside his evo alolan sandslash
That's a technical ban tho, it was just not legal because both Slush Rush and Snow Cloak were banned.
Nearly nothing involving hail was legal in NU actually.
Imagine ragequitting and demanding a tier ban of a weak meat shield because you got outclassed by a weedletwineedle wannabe
5:55 Not really? I mean that was because the guy who use it had a really good strat with Articuno (A Pokemon that sucks) the fact that it's in ZU is what makes it even better actually lmao
And Vulpix is just because of Sun, as someone who playas with that weather all the time on any tier I think is pretty busted) Damn I can even give some use to Leavanny with that in higher tiers depending of the meta ofc
VERY GOOD
Yeah usage shouldn't be used as a deciding factor in tier placement.
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1:50
Scarf?
Magcarjoe vs Slugma Guts who wins
If I had a nickel for every fire slug based pokemon youtuber, I'd have two nickels...
What’s the website he was using to play pokemon?
Pokemon showdown
ZU stands for "Zero Used" I think
I run a artacuno with a snow warning pokemon In doubles Ou and the team is really good
the fact u have legendaries in the lowest tier and the naming conventions only get more crazy shows why they should just be numbered lol
i mean back in gen 1 even if u go down like 7 tiers to zu or whatever (bro i dont know how far down zu is cos theres not a number in it but anyway) u still have some fully evolved pokemon in there (and not even just ditto lol). like u gotta go well below zu in any generation to actually cover every fully evolved pokemon (even excluding super gimmicks like unown or whatever)
Even worse, there is an unrecognized format that is even lower than ZU called SU.
Calyrex, Regice and Regigigas are in there, but Calyrex only is there because there isn't even a lower tier.
i mean gen1 has a 10u tier, aa a 10th usable tier. the tier is literally 6 pokemon: Ditto, caterpie, metapod, weedle, kakuna and magikarp. so yes, this team only has 1 possible team and 1 possible moveset combination. with kakuna as the king of the tier because poison sting poison is the best way to deal damage. (apart from ditto struggle crit).
the tier exists but is only sometimesa played for meme purposes.
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It’s funny how different it is what’s viable in doubles and singles. Articuno actually being good in doubles, while mons like Chansey and Toxapex have never been good
Umbreon is Inciniroar's father
I thought "PU" was for "potato" which is an old internet slang
Zu actually has a name, its ZeroUss
Damn.
I run a rattata, raticate, both woopers, and both quagsires. It works more often than you’d think
To be fair , arcicunos better ability and preferred item are banned in smogon.
Why do you pronounce Bisharp like that? It's a play on the word bishop
Doesn’t ZU stand for Zero-used
And then there’s SU….
4:00 ice type doesnt suck. They literally banned almost every ice type to ubers
There are some good ice type pokemon but the type sucks... if you look at ubers, half those ice type pokemon have at least 680bst, baxcalibur isn't good in ubers. Chien and bundle are solid. But then most ice pokemon are in zu...
There isnt like a single good fire abuser for drought except scorvillain in that tier lmfao, and can we even call him "good"?
Thanks Obama(snow)
One small gripe. To say that snow teams are still horrible is disingenuous. Alolan Ninetails teams were better than ever this gen to the point where other mons that were too good in the archetype got banned in previous formats. Snow teams are also doing really well right now in VGC. Snow not damaging allies makes the weather a whole lot more viable to play around.
Wow.
vulpix stays winning
Ngl this seems like a lame ban that takes a lot of interesting dynamics out of a tier.
Hope they dont ban vaporeon
What the hell is a shoodoh legendary
Also is it really neccessary to whine for a whole minute that WOAGHH ARTCICYNO IS THE ICE!!!AND HE LOSES TO... LE GRASs?!! BUT LE TYPE CHART!!! Like are you making videos for toddlers or something? Is your intended audience lobotomy patients? Why even bring it up like obviously clorophyll users are going to be better in the sun, type matchups dont instantly invalidate strategy
Pseudo-legendaries are 3 stage pokemon with a base stat total of exactly 600, and a specific exp growth rate. Here is a list of pseudo-legendaries.
Dragonite
Tyranitar
Metagross & Salamence
Garchomp
Hydreigon
Goodra
Kommo-o
Dragapult
Baxcalibur
Articuno’s best ability is banned
Why do you use fake discord messages as thumbnail?
Smogon when they see anyone having fun "BAN THAT SH*T NOW!!! NO FUN ALLOWED!"
Smogon’s going to keep going with the bans until ‘Competitive’ Pokémon is just the equivalent of “No Items, Fox Only, Final Destination”.
They can't let the players find counters on theor own, if there is a problem ban it and keep the same meta
They really are a laughing stock. Look at the king's rock and bright powder bans
Over used and Ubers is not based on Usage. They ban things to ubers without usuage all the time and dont ban things that should be banned based on usage. Its all arbitrary
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Fox gang!
Obamasnow
no just no
I knew FOG was good
Why do you pronounce Bisharp as 'bye-sharp'? It's based on a bishop Chess piece. You don't pronounce that 'bue-shop', do you?
what an absolute goober
Holy shit singles players will ban anything to not have to actually play around something
I'm the person who would use Donphan or excadrill over garchomp. I hate Garchomp. I'm not going use a Pokemon I hate not matter how good it might be
This is stupid… just ban drought.
Aint no way grimsnarl is pu
Another reason Competitive Pokémon players really aren't Competitive they just copy and paste.