Yea normalizing the talk of eating children really funny...especially when they are all covering up when and what's really going on ! C9H9NO3 from children real funny.
I am 73. When I was a girl sometime in the Bronze Age, the little boy next door always wore rainbow sweaters that his mother or maybe grandmother knitted to use up left over wool ( yarn)
I remember the days of knitted jumpers. Often 2-4 colours using up left over wool when there was enough to make a sleeve or a front of a colour. When it was down to the dregs, scarves, mittens, and beanies were made from left overs.
It's not hard to see why the babies might have been put in there. They're being tucked back into the womb of the earth to give them a chance for a new life.
those rock-slides within that 2nd cave make me wonder if there is another shaft or two upwards. Maybe the original main entrance is actually yet to be dug/found?
It's a shame they didn't have a miner team with them that could've dealt with the rocks. That "rock fall" is extremely similar to a chute, and there are simple and effective ways to deal with them where you introduce a dam and start removing rocks from the bottom, turning the whole affair into a "rock dispenser". In a matter of days you can remove a few tons of it. Whenever we explore old mines, that had blocked off stopes and similar, that's a simple and effective way to get rid of them (provided there's a bottom level, of course). My theory, is that there's a top level to that "rock fall" and that there's another mud filled entrance above where those rocks, bones, items were thrown in. GPR could've been used to find where that entrance was (relative to the position in the cave) and access from the top would've fixed the problem as well.
50 feet underground, crawling through a muddy hole in the ground with barely enough room to move, rocks and dirt randomly falling all around, and just to boot there are a bunch of skulls and bones of long dead humans scattered about all around you. I can't think of too many places on earth I'd rather not be.
I have to ask. Were there any mothers in the excavation team???? As one, I could see where from a mother's point of view, the cave was a "safe" place to put her child. It was dark so there is the relationship to returning to the womb. If this was the burial place of a community, there would be other women who had placed their small child there. they would be resting together, not alone. Infant death was far more common that we would want but at least these mothers had a bit of comfort in where their child would rest.
What are all those pits dotting the landscape around the cave? Are those more cave entrances or were our ancestors conducting mining or what. Seems strange that no one mentioned those features, especially as Stewart was there.
It's very likely that the entire scenery was pockmarked with holes at some point. Those rocks are 100% thrown in the cave from an opening. You don't find that kind of stuff inside natural caves, rather big slabs dotted with sharp, fractured stones. There's round river stones in that lot, evidence of them being thrown in.
The drawings of the "big nose people" remind me of the old stories of dwarves. I wonder if that is where the tales came from, a social memory of ancestors with this characteristic.
On vacations...I prefer remote areas, away from so many people. I have found bones etc. in caves, even a few items etc. They stay where they were found. I say a prayer, apologise for disturbing their rest and back away. At one site, once outside...I climbed up the rocks and made a little rock slide to protect what was inside. Could have maybe made $$$ you say ? Maybe...but to me, if someone way back when, thought enough of their loved one to do their best to ensure the safety of their body in death, why would I want to go in and rob them. To me, what was buried with them...is theirs..not mine to steal. But they are dead you say ? Yes...but still not my things to steal. Just me
You guys do a wonderful job of showing us the incredible stories hidden in the earth, and caves! Great camera work, editing and I love your humor. This was one of my FAVORITE episodes. You should rename Yorick; Pinocchio Cave!💚💙
Listening to the sounds of those rocks continually coming down, gives me the heebie-jeebies. You couldn’t pay me enough to get be down there, slogging around in those slippery, slimy, unstable holes in the ground. No, this would have been one of the digs (and there have been others) where I would’ve called in sick.
me living amongst the giant redwoods, sheds a tear for the barren English countryside. but the grass is the greenest I've ever seen. and shimmers flourescently in the overcast sky.
Yes, I live in North Alabama with wild woods and caves and thickets...some of course changed with TVA but I've watched enough of this to see the beautiful Forests that were all over. Lol, England is about the size of Alabama. It's crazy how big our country really is
what always gets me in these caves including many in South America, is who the hell goes climbing into these things in the first place centuries or millennia ago. they didnt have the headlamps and the cables and all the things the people doing it today do, can you imagine how pitch black and tight it is in there back then. surly they must have used torches of some sort, but they you are holding torches in these tight corridors with the flames right in your face and the smoke adding to the probably thin air, do torches even stay lit down there with the thinning air. i jusy cany comprehend why people were wandering down in there back then.
Given likely infant mortality in those days all cemeteries probably had this many newborn and infant bones... It's just that here, they were preserved.
I was fortunate to be an exchange student in London in 1988. I saw these barrows all over but never knew what was inside of them or why. Thank you for teaching me this..😊
Thank ya kindly for your brilliant knowledge that you share with us and inspire the world. From Ohio, USA bless everyone on your crew. May you all continue your journey and exploration with Lady Luck by your side. Your new friend Connie-Jean Rose.
@@Unknown_crusader Nah, it's a rock cave with a lot of mud. Pretty safe in ... most conditions. The worst part that can happen in these types of caves is when there's a rain and water rushes you. Then you're in trouble because the mud liquefies. But like i said, rock cave with a lot of mud. All in, pretty solid. I've seen some pretty stunning caves in my life and all the discomfort is worth the effort when you find a room that's as big as an aircraft hanger... on its side.
That is my take on this too. There is a very high number of babies remains which is so unusual. They are so tiny and fragile that it's remarkable they're so well preserved.
So far, they've not pointed out any physical deformities in the bones that would be present from that. My thought is they didn't mix with each other, but with neighboring groups
I've had a serious Crush on Prof. Alice Roberts since the very first time I ever saw her on TV. She's super intelligent and conveys information in a way everyone can understand. Plus she simply SMOKIN' HOT !
“Have I got a big nose, Mum?” “Stop thinking about sex!” “I wasn’t!” “You’re always on about it. Will the girls like this? Will the girls like that? Is it too big? Is it too small?”
Lately I've been watching a number of these episodes of Time Team, and I got to wondering ,what has become of the artwork that has been drawn during each program? Does any one know?
If the artwork was drawn by victor ambrose it would be included in any report produced after post excavation team finished recording and the finds were investigated. Victor's family has the originals and he had books published of his work. I'm not sure how to get a hold of any images but I'm sure if you searched his name as a keyword search in Google you would find information. Victor only passed away in the last few years I think. Blessings from South Eastern Australia, Dot
They should have got in a mining expert and some machinery. The expert could probably help stabilise the cave and the machinery could have helped them carry the spoil to the surface much faster.
It's up on the moors in the Peak District - really hard to get in machinery without damaging the ground, and I suspect a mining expert would have built the sort of timber shuttering that they use in opencast - which means widening the cave and taking way longer than their self-imposed 3 days.
I always wondered why they flipped the pots upside down. I would think that I would of put the bottom down and covered the top so nothing got in. How did they stop the ashes from falling out when they flipped the pot over. Always thinking about that.
Going to leave it in my will to scratch up the lid of my coffin like I was trying to get out and then to put my phone in my hands like I gave up and started playing a game .... I know it's a long shot but imagine the archaeologist's face if the coffin survives 😂
The further back in time you go, the higher the infant mortality rate. Even in Victorian times it was still very high. Giving birth in insanitary circumstances, is a recipe for disaster. Alternatively, if there was a food shortage, they could just have been dumped. .
I think inbreeding may be responsible: remember all the related big nose people? Or something as simple as endemic measles or some other disease could eliminate many of the infants.
I'm not an expert but the risk of cave exploration is the dangerous outweigh the potential findings Especially with those shallow caves that you're working with 15 m is about 45 to 50 ft I would have put vertical shafts down and then access them that way it's safer you have a lot better access and less chance of injury
Okay, is it just me or did it go black halfway through? I've tried on several devices. The timestamper is still moving along but there's no sound or video. Other videos on TH-cam are working fine
Looking at the landscape, they were hypothesizing what the surrounding communities may have looked like, where they were located, ages, etc. But they did no site Geophysics this time. Was there a reason for not doing the survey?
Why cut off the legs? Perhaps they thought doctors in the afterlife could put them back on, and a body in smaller pieces is easier to carry into the cave. Perhaps they wanted to prevent the person from walking back out. In some sort of undead fashion.
to the editor(s) of this episode: do better! cut those annoying breaks and dark scenes, please. to the channel: thanks for sharing this great series for free!
Only a little bit. It’s also cow manure and the manure of any other animal including humans that have lived in the area, decomposed plant material and roots, insects and worms, dead and alive, bacteria etc. it is in short, soil. ANY soil is likely to contain particles that used to be human….People have lived and died all over the place.
I have probably watched too much Game of Thrones but I am surprised that sacrifice was not considered a possible reason for those child bones being in there.
I would say that some of ur burials are people that were found buried when a house was being built of some sort and they took the bones out and threw them into the cave.
@8:44 If that isnt a pipe for 'ahem', then ive never seen a pipe! (I currently have 3 in front of...ahh, never mind,,,,I do love me some ancient history!)
I just cannot get enought this team. Phil and Tony's banter is giving me the much needed daily dose of giggles. I love and enjoy them all. ,❤💞
Yea normalizing the talk of eating children really funny...especially when they are all covering up when and what's really going on ! C9H9NO3 from children real funny.
I am 73. When I was a girl sometime in the Bronze Age, the little boy next door always wore rainbow sweaters that his mother or maybe grandmother knitted to use up left over wool ( yarn)
My grandma made a sweater like that for my Barbie’s, I called it the “coat of many colors” 🥰❤️
I remember the days of knitted jumpers. Often 2-4 colours using up left over wool when there was enough to make a sleeve or a front of a colour. When it was down to the dregs, scarves, mittens, and beanies were made from left overs.
Sounds like a fever dream
😂
When the rainbow was just a rainbow
Alas, poor Yorick, I knew him well.
But what he died from is hard to tell.
We threw him in a hole, closer to Hell.
If anyone asks, tell them he fell.
It's not hard to see why the babies might have been put in there. They're being tucked back into the womb of the earth to give them a chance for a new life.
Dr. Pearson is a gem. That guy single handedly solved the Stonehenge riddle. His passion for the stone age is second to none.
Agreed ...but hardly single-handedly.
they may have removed the person's lower legs to get them into the chamber. caves are hard enough places to move in when you're alive.
those rock-slides within that 2nd cave make me wonder if there is another shaft or two upwards. Maybe the original main entrance is actually yet to be dug/found?
I had the same Idea. This series of caves definitely look excavated and it would make sense there would be more entrances
“A 21st century deposit has appeared in Phil’s carefully cleared barrow trench” LOL
Those that go into the caves are to be admired for their bravery. Thanks for all the hustory. 🌻
CAVES ! No way in hell you’d get me in there. My pulse rate goes up just watching others go in those tight spaces.
girl: *nearly dies*
presenter: "Ought we do this tomorrow?"
girl: "yes"
Unappreciated lol moment lol
It's a shame they didn't have a miner team with them that could've dealt with the rocks. That "rock fall" is extremely similar to a chute, and there are simple and effective ways to deal with them where you introduce a dam and start removing rocks from the bottom, turning the whole affair into a "rock dispenser". In a matter of days you can remove a few tons of it. Whenever we explore old mines, that had blocked off stopes and similar, that's a simple and effective way to get rid of them (provided there's a bottom level, of course).
My theory, is that there's a top level to that "rock fall" and that there's another mud filled entrance above where those rocks, bones, items were thrown in. GPR could've been used to find where that entrance was (relative to the position in the cave) and access from the top would've fixed the problem as well.
One of the best episodes yet. The spirit of inquiry and adventure has me addicted.
50 feet underground, crawling through a muddy hole in the ground with barely enough room to move, rocks and dirt randomly falling all around, and just to boot there are a bunch of skulls and bones of long dead humans scattered about all around you. I can't think of too many places on earth I'd rather not be.
one of my favorite episodes, ever. Extreme archaeology at its best!
Hi! 🙋♀️
Mike Parker Pearson has a real good voice. He could be talking about people having their legs cut of and it still sounds pleasant
I have to ask. Were there any mothers in the excavation team???? As one, I could see where from a mother's point of view, the cave was a "safe" place to put her child. It was dark so there is the relationship to returning to the womb. If this was the burial place of a community, there would be other women who had placed their small child there. they would be resting together, not alone. Infant death was far more common that we would want but at least these mothers had a bit of comfort in where their child would rest.
Great theory-- good thinking! Being a mom, I can see it! I love this team, too; they make it so fun and interesting.
That's a wonderful theory. Thanks for sharing.
I thought right away of a womb….especially when they showed the cross-section of the cave system
Carenza is pregnant in some of the episodes. She’s about my age (late 50’s now), so probably the shows from the 90’s.
“A cow crapped in the trench!” Why did I cackle harder than I should have
What are all those pits dotting the landscape around the cave? Are those more cave entrances or were our ancestors conducting mining or what. Seems strange that no one mentioned those features, especially as Stewart was there.
It's very likely that the entire scenery was pockmarked with holes at some point. Those rocks are 100% thrown in the cave from an opening. You don't find that kind of stuff inside natural caves, rather big slabs dotted with sharp, fractured stones. There's round river stones in that lot, evidence of them being thrown in.
It’s possible that mining for ore took place there… those holes look a lot like Roman pits that TT has shown in other videos.
The drawings of the "big nose people" remind me of the old stories of dwarves. I wonder if that is where the tales came from, a social memory of ancestors with this characteristic.
On vacations...I prefer remote areas, away from so many people. I have found bones etc. in caves, even a few items etc. They stay where they were found. I say a prayer, apologise for disturbing their rest and back away. At one site, once outside...I climbed up the rocks and made a little rock slide to protect what was inside. Could have maybe made $$$ you say ? Maybe...but to me, if someone way back when, thought enough of their loved one to do their best to ensure the safety of their body in death, why would I want to go in and rob them. To me, what was buried with them...is theirs..not mine to steal. But they are dead you say ? Yes...but still not my things to steal. Just me
Decent; thank you.
Dang, those cave diggers are waaaaay braver than me.
I quite like the idea of a limestone cave burial, slowly becoming part of the cave over thousands of years
You guys do a wonderful job of showing us the incredible stories hidden in the earth, and caves! Great camera work, editing and I love your humor. This was one of my FAVORITE episodes. You should rename Yorick; Pinocchio Cave!💚💙
Listening to the sounds of those rocks continually coming down, gives me the heebie-jeebies. You couldn’t pay me enough to get be down there, slogging around in those slippery, slimy, unstable holes in the ground. No, this would have been one of the digs (and there have been others) where I would’ve called in sick.
Love time team…… But wholly moley this episode gives me some mini heart attacks…..I can’t do caves 😳😳
me living amongst the giant redwoods, sheds a tear for the barren English countryside. but the grass is the greenest I've ever seen. and shimmers flourescently in the overcast sky.
Yes, I live in North Alabama with wild woods and caves and thickets...some of course changed with TVA but I've watched enough of this to see the beautiful Forests that were all over. Lol, England is about the size of Alabama. It's crazy how big our country really is
Also many trees were cut for construction and building ships.
what always gets me in these caves including many in South America, is who the hell goes climbing into these things in the first place centuries or millennia ago. they didnt have the headlamps and the cables and all the things the people doing it today do, can you imagine how pitch black and tight it is in there back then. surly they must have used torches of some sort, but they you are holding torches in these tight corridors with the flames right in your face and the smoke adding to the probably thin air, do torches even stay lit down there with the thinning air. i jusy cany comprehend why people were wandering down in there back then.
Given likely infant mortality in those days all cemeteries probably had this many newborn and infant bones... It's just that here, they were preserved.
They need to bubble wrap this whole team so they make it as long as possible
That cave archeology is dangerous. I give TT a lot of credit for their efforts. They did a great job.
"I found a broken urn" ...he says after recklessly digging a hole with a massive pickaxe
I love the program, but this has to be the sorriest edit job I have ever seen for a channel of this level!
we can laugh now. but i think bck than, the GPS helmet for Stuart was a good idea! get lost in that milk soup and for sure you're lost...
Long live Phil Harding!
I was fortunate to be an exchange student in London in 1988. I saw these barrows all over but never knew what was inside of them or why. Thank you for teaching me this..😊
Balderick feckin loved it ....didn't he . What a ledge
That were great discovery of the ancient buried very interesting to learn about
How these people were
Dead thousand of years ago.
Just a glance at rainbow sweater...
💙💙💙
As for why the infant bones are there, think "womb of the earth".
I don't think it's odd or a mystery why there would be so many baby skeletons in these caves, they were returned to The Mother Womb.
Yes, but were they sacrificial victims? Pretty scary, but unfortunately not unlikely
Lovely bit of cave history but I had a panic attack watching as I'm claustrophobic.
Thank ya kindly for your brilliant knowledge that you share with us and inspire the world. From Ohio, USA bless everyone on your crew. May you all continue your journey and exploration with Lady Luck by your side. Your new friend Connie-Jean Rose.
I’m from Ohio too 😊
I watch hide timeteam all night. I just love that it’s everywhere they dig over there. Nothing like that where I live.
I am so clusterphobic I could barley watch this episode. Great program as always.
Lol I might be the opposite, I love small spaces. I was really worried the whole cave would collapse though...
@@Unknown_crusader Nah, it's a rock cave with a lot of mud. Pretty safe in ... most conditions. The worst part that can happen in these types of caves is when there's a rain and water rushes you. Then you're in trouble because the mud liquefies. But like i said, rock cave with a lot of mud. All in, pretty solid.
I've seen some pretty stunning caves in my life and all the discomfort is worth the effort when you find a room that's as big as an aircraft hanger... on its side.
If the community was interrelated, it is possible that the children may have had genetic defects that caused high infant mortality.
That is my take on this too. There is a very high number of babies remains which is so unusual. They are so tiny and fragile that it's remarkable they're so well preserved.
So far, they've not pointed out any physical deformities in the bones that would be present from that.
My thought is they didn't mix with each other, but with neighboring groups
I've had a serious Crush on Prof. Alice Roberts since the very first time I ever saw her on TV.
She's super intelligent and conveys information in a way everyone can understand.
Plus she simply SMOKIN' HOT !
mud is like cement. the more you work it the more the water comes to the top... It starts out looking ok...but keep walking on it and it becomes soup.
I love documentaries
Woo that second break was a long one.
“Have I got a big nose, Mum?”
“Stop thinking about sex!”
“I wasn’t!”
“You’re always on about it. Will the girls like this? Will the girls like that? Is it too big? Is it too small?”
Alice Roberts would later narrate her own archaeology show.
What were those dimpled mounds all over the landscape in that last shot?
Happily finding a horde of baby skulls is what Time Team is all about😆
Lately I've been watching a number of these episodes of Time Team, and I got to wondering ,what has become of the artwork that has been drawn during each program? Does any one know?
Doubtful. Infant mortality was high. It was a tough existence.
If the artwork was drawn by victor ambrose it would be included in any report produced after post excavation team finished recording and the finds were investigated. Victor's family has the originals and he had books published of his work.
I'm not sure how to get a hold of any images but I'm sure if you searched his name as a keyword search in Google you would find information.
Victor only passed away in the last few years I think. Blessings from South Eastern Australia, Dot
thanks for posting
They should have got in a mining expert and some machinery. The expert could probably help stabilise the cave and the machinery could have helped them carry the spoil to the surface much faster.
It's up on the moors in the Peak District - really hard to get in machinery without damaging the ground, and I suspect a mining expert would have built the sort of timber shuttering that they use in opencast - which means widening the cave and taking way longer than their self-imposed 3 days.
The GPS hat is a hoot, now we all carry a GPS locator aka cell phone everywhere all the time.
I always wondered why they flipped the pots upside down. I would think that I would of put the bottom down and covered the top so nothing got in.
How did they stop the ashes from falling out when they flipped the pot over. Always thinking about that.
Probably a cloth or possibly wax stopper, wood?
Going to leave it in my will to scratch up the lid of my coffin like I was trying to get out and then to put my phone in my hands like I gave up and started playing a game .... I know it's a long shot but imagine the archaeologist's face if the coffin survives 😂
The further back in time you go, the higher the infant mortality rate.
Even in Victorian times it was still very high.
Giving birth in insanitary circumstances, is a recipe for disaster.
Alternatively, if there was a food shortage, they could just have been dumped.
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I think inbreeding may be responsible: remember all the related big nose people? Or something as simple as endemic measles or some other disease could eliminate many of the infants.
The gentleman looking at the bones was in the Episode on Mystic Britain (The Revenants) Dr Simon Mays.
With the amount of mud and the sloping of the entrance, would the cave access and passages been far larger thousands of years ago?
Ooooh I hadnt seen this episode yet!
Very brave those youngins.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, would induce me to scramble down into those caves!
Kudos to Alice, Katie and the "cavemen" who did spend time in there.
And Katie, no, your bum didn't look big in that outfit!
Amazing find.
27:58 that was a beautiful throw
is everyone forgetting that ( back then ).. just to survive being born was a miracle .. .... and to get to 5 years of age another ....
That's an insane exaggeration.
I'm not an expert but the risk of cave exploration is the dangerous outweigh the potential findings
Especially with those shallow caves that you're working with 15 m is about 45 to 50 ft I would have put vertical shafts down and then access them that way it's safer you have a lot better access and less chance of injury
They would never allow that there. Ever..
That's often how they do rescues.
You can’t damage the cave!! It’s a site of value in itself. You can’t just go hacking away at it.
It's a national park. You can't just go and dig through all that stone and destroy the landscape for a TV programme.
Plus they only have 3 days to dig!
Okay, is it just me or did it go black halfway through? I've tried on several devices. The timestamper is still moving along but there's no sound or video.
Other videos on TH-cam are working fine
Just move a few minutes on and the video is there. It does it twice. It seems common on this channel with TT videos
On a touch screen device, double tapping the right side of the screen gets it to go in ten seconds intervals.
Looking at the landscape, they were hypothesizing what the surrounding communities may have looked like, where they were located, ages, etc. But they did no site Geophysics this time. Was there a reason for not doing the survey?
They were investigating a cave, and not looking for any structures in the ground.
remember , children died during birth or not longer after in those times ...it is not surprising to see babys bones and skeltons
Wasn't there some way you could have shorn up the caves a bit so you could have gone deeper?
Why cut off the legs?
Perhaps they thought doctors in the afterlife could put them back on, and a body in smaller pieces is easier to carry into the cave.
Perhaps they wanted to prevent the person from walking back out. In some sort of undead fashion.
Big noses? Check out the stone head discovered at Karahan Tepe. Might even have been from the same time period.
My favorite quote from the show: "Does my bum look big in this?"😀
to the editor(s) of this episode: do better! cut those annoying breaks and dark scenes, please.
to the channel: thanks for sharing this great series for free!
This is kinda strange. So many people excited to dig up a cemetery.
That "mud" is decomposed people.
Only a little bit. It’s also cow manure and the manure of any other animal including humans that have lived in the area, decomposed plant material and roots, insects and worms, dead and alive, bacteria etc. it is in short, soil. ANY soil is likely to contain particles that used to be human….People have lived and died all over the place.
Wow wow wow everybody was on the top shape. Perhaps the lady from Rome was born there and they brought her back to her homeland?
Would the big nosed family have been outcasts in society?
Seen it. The Big Nose clan.
Oh I love these shows!
Using ads to sell an ad free service after people already pay to avoid ads is beyond scummy.
The host is also the singer of Iron Maiden.
Thank you.
Any volcano's or meteorites around back then?
What's up with the "protected footage"?
These caves are horrifying. Im not even claustrophobic
I have probably watched too much Game of Thrones but I am surprised that sacrifice was not considered a possible reason for those child bones being in there.
that hole reminds me of the badger bit from abcs of death lol
this is a awesome discovery
I would say that some of ur burials are people that were found buried when a house was being built of some sort and they took the bones out and threw them into the cave.
The moors are a long way from habitation - it would take days to trek there. Can't see why they would.
The cave system resembles x-rays of dinosaur or spider brains.
@8:44 If that isnt a pipe for 'ahem', then ive never seen a pipe! (I currently have 3 in front of...ahh, never mind,,,,I do love me some ancient history!)
But why would they cut off his legs? Pre- or post-mortem?
6:27 OSRS music starts
Katy Hirst 😊❤
Can you remove it without a collapse ?... (Rocks falling)... Uhm.. no
"Bring out yer dead, Bring out yer dead!!!"