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Jared has a point. While It sounds good on paper, they are melee fighters after all, you can focus them down quite easily. If they are mixed with infantry they might live for longer, but for the same reason they might not be able to reach their targets to apply the anti-healing. I think they can do great vs healing monsters, but single entities on foot seem a bit too hard to handle
@@jaredkronk4614 They fragile and expensive investment that can trade upward if we babysit them well. Wardancer, daemonettes, and bloodletters are similiar units (and even have slower attack speed). We find their niche usages and babysit them. So, to say RoR Things is not practical is kinda unfair, imho. WoC do not have a lot of range unit or fast range skirmish unit, so the oportunity is there.
I really love how chaos has access to all kinds of tools but has limits that make you choose between the options. Makes them really fun to play and there are no longer broken matchups like in the days of wh1 chaos vs vampires
I saw that streltsi and Akshina rangers have same cost, when akshina have more range, stealth, vanguard deployment and no line of sight issues. I feel like they should do something to make streltsi more worth it, maybe lower the cost or boost their damage a bit. Supremely cool looking unit but a bit underwhelming in battle
That's just an overhaul gun problem. They solved that issue with the Chorfs, by making the bullets do insane damage, compared to arrows and bolts. For some reason, they didn't bring the same change to all gunpowder units. So now, all other but the Chorfs, guns are just much worse versions of AP bolts/arrows. Yet another issue that could be easly fixed, but a custodian team for the biggest and most profitable Strategy game on the market is to much an ask for the biggest developer in the UK
Yeah, as already mentioned they have to give guns something to compensate for their line of sight issues versus bows and crossbows. Ideally my solution would also be to heavily rein in the ability of those units to do insane arcing shots...
Nurgle doesn’t have a sorcerer hero yet, and I don’t think they will any time soon specifically for that scenario you’re describing. The thought of Be’lakor with Nurgle healing was fear-inducing already when Champions of Chaos dropped, it’s probably why they have a sorcerer lord and an exalted hero instead. Now, Blue Scribes with some Tzeentch-blessed spell rolls, THAT’S a power combo!
Quite a flavourful composition too! Any Chaos Gods will work together against the southerners, but Tzeentch + Slaanesh is a duo that has no major beef with each other (same as Khorne + Nurgle).
I'm so glad I'm not the only who has been reminded of 'The Ritual' by the Things in the Wood. I feel like the Incarnate's design was heavily influenced by the creature in that film.
Are big monsters being given mortis engine effects because a lot of big monsters have a horrible time fighting smaller units? At least that's how I feel about using big monsters lol Also considering the incarnate likes to randomly start glowing I would've expected it to have some sort of "intensity" ability like so many other units have.
Agreed, but I think some of them would perform a lot better if they had the ‘remove Immune to Psychology’ trait like Be’lakor has. Namely thinking of the Dread Saurians when I say this: very rarely (if at all) are they worth the 3,100 gold value.
Both Aekold and Sigvald are monsters in late-battle duels, too. Sigvald has perfect vigor and Aekold's heal also restores vigor, so when up against characters who get exhausted as the battle drags on, both of these characters will still be fresh, and will have huge stat advantages over any of their opponents.
Double Sig sat on the centre the whole match and couldn’t cap it XD The don’t have the cap weight to hold an objective or the speed to bounce between them.
I agree, the summoned Things in the Woods do kind of look like Nyxborn creatures from Theros! I haven’t played MTG, but I know them from the DnD Theros book.
every chaos unit gets divided into mortal, and daemon, all mortals go to WoC, and all daemonic units go to DoC, no daemon units, so DoC basically got nothing from this. meanwhile, in LB, WoC gets a single entity mortis engine, to make boxing even better :)
Damn, that Incarnate of Elemental Beasts sure is cool, as Turin says. Really curious if the Elemental Incarnate of Beasts handles other factions well, or whether the Elemental Beasts of Incarnate ends up stumped. Looking forward to seeing more of the Beasts Incarnate Elemental Of!
Aekold should have been a lord tbh, he might have been a hero on TT but just the amount the things he brings makes him almost auto include in everything. If he cost a lord slot it would be different.
Tzeentch units (WoC and Tzeentch factions) seem to be in a weird spot in general. They’re either auto-includes (like Aekold or the Chaos Champions RoR) or there’s no reason to ever pick them (Chaos Marauders with Spears, Chaos Furies of Tzeentch, Lords of Change, and Warshrine of Tzeentch come to mind). Also find it surprising that Beastmen are getting access to Tzaangors but Norsca didn’t get access to the different god-aligned Marauders and Marauder Horsemen when Champions of Chaos came out last year.
Maybe I'll get lucky asking here. Anyone have advice for countering an ironblaster/lead Belcher build as Chorfs? Tauroks? They seem to even eat kiting units alive.
I also find it’s weird that Warriors of Chaos have the Tzaangors. I feel like they shouldn’t have access to Beastmen units. Probably better to keep them to the Tzeentch and Beastmen rosters?
@@chrisspink8873 I didn't realise that Villitch gets them in campaign. That's cool! I can see that being the reason why they are on the Warriors roster in multiplayer. However, I don't think it's a great reason. E.g. The Deamons of Choas get loads of mortal units in campaign, but they don't get any in multiplayer. And I think that makes sense that way. What are your thoughts about this?
@@liamcullen3035 I’d give the demons of chaos just demons for theming. You could make the tzengors just for campaign use for viltich. But I’m on the of the people who would like all the campaign exclusive units to get added to multi and then just cost balance them better for (multi) not single player.
@@chrisspink8873 Fair enough! I like the Daemons with just daemons in multiplayer, and I think I prefer the Warriors of Chaos with just non-beastmen mortals in multiplayer (except for chaos warhounds). But I think your idea is cool too!
I hate that such a cool unit, like the streltsi, are now just straight up obsolete. They really need to do a gunpowder overhaul, so guns become something else but worse AP arrows/bolts
Hear me out here, how about festus + aekold + harald? 3/3 legendary character Alternativ: archeon + aekold + harald 3/3 chad support with nurgle shrine and you are good to go
Kislev is oppressive. Even in the campaign they're unstoppable. (With cathay buff the campaign is basically an ordertid). When they give Empire a redo chaos will be in the trash.
It’s kinda nice that while there is 3 main factions in the DLC that some of the units spill over to other factions. Though I’ve heard some people complaining that they need to buy the whole DLC for more Beastmen units. Seems like the glass is perpetually half empty.
Mutalith was Warrior army book correct. That said. Stay awhile and listen as Sean Connery totally says. If we are to be 100% accurate to tabletop Beastmen shouldnt have Tzaangors. Gather around the grognard who has played for...crap its been over 30 years. Damn. Oh. GW. Hate Beastmen. Always have since the split. You know what Beastmen had in their first book? Dragon Ogres. Shaggoths. Marks. You know who came over pushed them down and took all their toys after though? Ya. Warriors while GW sat in a darkened chair in a corner laughing as the poor Beastmen had all their toys ripped away. Also a terrible lore of magic. Overcosted mster and more. So CA is being very unfaithful to the spirit of GW and Beastmen. They must be bad. Heck it has followed them into 3 editions of AoS! Pumbagors (Razorgor model nickname) are great though. What? You're still here? Go. Shoo. Skidattle. Go watch Beastmaster. Thank me later.
you see CA threatened to just stop suporing the game and drop it over people mad at the DLC price? i think the price is absurd its justifiable anger and then CA going full child saying well screw you then well just drop the game if you want to be like that, how ridiculous is that. my god it would be tragic though, they did it to 3 kingdoms so you certainly cant trust them not to
Instead of balancing units via their ingame price, CA is balancing them via the DLC price. Kislev won't be OP this patch because most people won't have the new units.
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All other factions: “This is getting out of hand, now there’s two of them!”
What’s next they fly now
@@richardreviewstvModders: *Put Tzaangor Archers on Discs of Tzeench with access to bound Lore of Tzeench spells in the Chaos Roster*
The Community: "They fly now..."
first we just had to kill everything but run from one guy, now we run from two?
The RoR Things of the Wood can counter the Duo Characters if supported well. No Regen/Healing can steamroll them 😂
They're so fragile I don't think it is that practical.
Jared has a point. While It sounds good on paper, they are melee fighters after all, you can focus them down quite easily. If they are mixed with infantry they might live for longer, but for the same reason they might not be able to reach their targets to apply the anti-healing. I think they can do great vs healing monsters, but single entities on foot seem a bit too hard to handle
@@jaredkronk4614 They fragile and expensive investment that can trade upward if we babysit them well. Wardancer, daemonettes, and bloodletters are similiar units (and even have slower attack speed). We find their niche usages and babysit them. So, to say RoR Things is not practical is kinda unfair, imho.
WoC do not have a lot of range unit or fast range skirmish unit, so the oportunity is there.
Not alone but with a solid infantry or a couple single entities, for sure.
I really love how chaos has access to all kinds of tools but has limits that make you choose between the options. Makes them really fun to play and there are no longer broken matchups like in the days of wh1 chaos vs vampires
the Sigvald & Son goon squad seems to have incredible potential. Excited to see it in future matches
I saw that streltsi and Akshina rangers have same cost, when akshina have more range, stealth, vanguard deployment and no line of sight issues. I feel like they should do something to make streltsi more worth it, maybe lower the cost or boost their damage a bit. Supremely cool looking unit but a bit underwhelming in battle
Streltsi suffer from the hybrid premium. Mediocre at two things while costing too much.
@@arn1345 yeah but akshina rangers even have better melee stats, and other mixed units of kislev do their job, streltsi is uniquely kinda shit
streltsi always stunk, don't even do as much damage as handgunners/thunderers
That's just an overhaul gun problem. They solved that issue with the Chorfs, by making the bullets do insane damage, compared to arrows and bolts.
For some reason, they didn't bring the same change to all gunpowder units.
So now, all other but the Chorfs, guns are just much worse versions of AP bolts/arrows.
Yet another issue that could be easly fixed, but a custodian team for the biggest and most profitable Strategy game on the market is to much an ask for the biggest developer in the UK
Yeah, as already mentioned they have to give guns something to compensate for their line of sight issues versus bows and crossbows. Ideally my solution would also be to heavily rein in the ability of those units to do insane arcing shots...
Sigvald and his bro being literal tanks imagine with a nurgle sorcerer hero and harry the hammer 🔨 😅. They would be literally impossible to kill
You could do it just it's not that strong in domination very sadly but in land battles very strong
i feel that would cost you so much gold that you would end up being very vulnerable to groups of gunpowder units
Nurgle doesn’t have a sorcerer hero yet, and I don’t think they will any time soon specifically for that scenario you’re describing. The thought of Be’lakor with Nurgle healing was fear-inducing already when Champions of Chaos dropped, it’s probably why they have a sorcerer lord and an exalted hero instead.
Now, Blue Scribes with some Tzeentch-blessed spell rolls, THAT’S a power combo!
Quite a flavourful composition too! Any Chaos Gods will work together against the southerners, but Tzeentch + Slaanesh is a duo that has no major beef with each other (same as Khorne + Nurgle).
I think all the creators say "incarnate of elemental beasts"... It's an incarnate elemental... Of (the lore of) beasts... 😂
I will probably never say it right, it's too late!
@@turinRTS that's why I love you 🥰
16:30 Sigvald and Aekold getting exacactly the same value, lol
I'm so glad I'm not the only who has been reminded of 'The Ritual' by the Things in the Wood. I feel like the Incarnate's design was heavily influenced by the creature in that film.
The witch chariots could be effective with amber spear, they're fast and low enough to the ground go get meaty sideshots into elite infantry
Are big monsters being given mortis engine effects because a lot of big monsters have a horrible time fighting smaller units? At least that's how I feel about using big monsters lol Also considering the incarnate likes to randomly start glowing I would've expected it to have some sort of "intensity" ability like so many other units have.
Agreed, but I think some of them would perform a lot better if they had the ‘remove Immune to Psychology’ trait like Be’lakor has. Namely thinking of the Dread Saurians when I say this: very rarely (if at all) are they worth the 3,100 gold value.
mutalith was always going to have a mortis effect
its strange for the incarnate of beasts i think
That deep space effect on the summoned Things in the Woods is so cool!
Thumbs Up for the Theros reference! It does kinda look like the Nyx. Probably my favorite stylistic element in MTG.
Both Aekold and Sigvald are monsters in late-battle duels, too. Sigvald has perfect vigor and Aekold's heal also restores vigor, so when up against characters who get exhausted as the battle drags on, both of these characters will still be fresh, and will have huge stat advantages over any of their opponents.
Double Sig sat on the centre the whole match and couldn’t cap it XD
The don’t have the cap weight to hold an objective or the speed to bounce between them.
I agree, the summoned Things in the Woods do kind of look like Nyxborn creatures from Theros! I haven’t played MTG, but I know them from the DnD Theros book.
every chaos unit gets divided into mortal, and daemon, all mortals go to WoC, and all daemonic units go to DoC, no daemon units, so DoC basically got nothing from this. meanwhile, in LB, WoC gets a single entity mortis engine, to make boxing even better :)
Freeze Frame for stat compare puts Sigvald at the following
-588 HP
+20 Armor (buffed)
+5 Speed
+10 Melee
+10 Def
+50 Wep
-5 Charge
Sigvald also has 10% physical resist, so in practice he's tankier in most contexts.
@@spellbound1875 and has bigger healing passive.
Great cast as always; can’t wait to play this new patch gonna be fun
Really good objective play here from Subatai, really playing the objectives to offset some bad fights really well!
King will there be a stream about unit stat changes ?
Tomorrow! We've been having off and on power outages in town, am waiting for stability!
@@turinRTS ok thanks king
Damn, that Incarnate of Elemental Beasts sure is cool, as Turin says. Really curious if the Elemental Incarnate of Beasts handles other factions well, or whether the Elemental Beasts of Incarnate ends up stumped.
Looking forward to seeing more of the Beasts Incarnate Elemental Of!
Koldunja pronounced as Coldoonyuh (means witch)
Aevald the Brassnificent.
I dont get why the akshina have AP on their swords. That could be the actual difference with streltsi...
Is there no longer a limit to 4 marked units for WoC? I saw Sigvald, Aekold, Severed Claw, Slaanesh Sorcerer and Tzaangors, so that's 5+?
Sigvold is the lord
@@jtowensbyiii6018 He does still have the mark of Slaanesh passive, and lords do count towards the 4 mark cap.
Aekold should have been a lord tbh, he might have been a hero on TT but just the amount the things he brings makes him almost auto include in everything. If he cost a lord slot it would be different.
Tzeentch units (WoC and Tzeentch factions) seem to be in a weird spot in general. They’re either auto-includes (like Aekold or the Chaos Champions RoR) or there’s no reason to ever pick them (Chaos Marauders with Spears, Chaos Furies of Tzeentch, Lords of Change, and Warshrine of Tzeentch come to mind). Also find it surprising that Beastmen are getting access to Tzaangors but Norsca didn’t get access to the different god-aligned Marauders and Marauder Horsemen when Champions of Chaos came out last year.
Maybe I'll get lucky asking here. Anyone have advice for countering an ironblaster/lead Belcher build as Chorfs? Tauroks? They seem to even eat kiting units alive.
I also find it’s weird that Warriors of Chaos have the Tzaangors. I feel like they shouldn’t have access to Beastmen units. Probably better to keep them to the Tzeentch and Beastmen rosters?
It’s because vlitch gets them in campaign.
@@chrisspink8873 I didn't realise that Villitch gets them in campaign. That's cool! I can see that being the reason why they are on the Warriors roster in multiplayer.
However, I don't think it's a great reason. E.g. The Deamons of Choas get loads of mortal units in campaign, but they don't get any in multiplayer. And I think that makes sense that way. What are your thoughts about this?
@@liamcullen3035 I’d give the demons of chaos just demons for theming. You could make the tzengors just for campaign use for viltich. But I’m on the of the people who would like all the campaign exclusive units to get added to multi and then just cost balance them better for (multi) not single player.
@@chrisspink8873 Fair enough! I like the Daemons with just daemons in multiplayer, and I think I prefer the Warriors of Chaos with just non-beastmen mortals in multiplayer (except for chaos warhounds). But I think your idea is cool too!
5:07 Bit of a surprise hearing Turin is an MtG fan, but a pleasant one nonetheless.
what was that Netflix movie that you recommended?
What about a Vilitch and Aekold combo? Could that have some legs? Doesn't he have some constant barrier replenishment ability?
The reason why they got tzzangor is because some times warriors of chaos became tzzangor 😅. And well vilich in campaign gets them in his campaign
I'm seeing double here. Four Sigvalds!
Are the Tzaangors a marked unit for Warriors of Chaos? Meaning one of the four marked units you can bring?
ah yes the dreaded t posing Hag Witch 1:47
You got to assert dominence.😂
I hate that such a cool unit, like the streltsi, are now just straight up obsolete.
They really need to do a gunpowder overhaul, so guns become something else but worse AP arrows/bolts
05:54 The what wolf movie? my hearing sucks!
Armoured kossars are just too insane
Hear me out here, how about festus + aekold + harald? 3/3 legendary character
Alternativ: archeon + aekold + harald
3/3 chad
support with nurgle shrine and you are good to go
5:10 "leap up from the underdark" some one has been playing something besides total war...
Thanks for the content! By the way, can you share if witches and maidens get a reindeer sled as a mount option?
The chaos aligned factions need (almost) not exist when WoC gets access to most of their aligned goodies. Its just silly.
Kislev is oppressive. Even in the campaign they're unstoppable. (With cathay buff the campaign is basically an ordertid). When they give Empire a redo chaos will be in the trash.
Is this map a mod map or actually an in game map
It’s kinda nice that while there is 3 main factions in the DLC that some of the units spill over to other factions. Though I’ve heard some people complaining that they need to buy the whole DLC for more Beastmen units. Seems like the glass is perpetually half empty.
ugghhh, now there is 2 of them, haha
Idk how i feel about WoC getting so much stuff from the monogod factions. I guess its karma for them being ignores since game 1.
Why? That's just literally what they had access to
Well I mean. The Tzaangors don't look like Tzaangors so...
can you raise your voice volume a tad? its really low my friend
Yeah been struggling with it, will see!
Those were some of the worst cast of Heart of Winter I've ever seen and he still won. Says it all about balance
MORE SIGVALD
The thing in the woods are way overtuned
Wait hold on.
Kislev gets generic hag heroes? Why so I learn that in a pvp video? Where was that in the marketing?
It's pronounced more like Koldun'ya
Watching these ridiculous chaos characters come out while so many generic lords and heroes are bland potatoes is painful.
When I read the title I thought double Sigval meant Sigval + Sigval (Changeling)
sound too low...
Mutalith was Warrior army book correct.
That said. Stay awhile and listen as Sean Connery totally says.
If we are to be 100% accurate to tabletop Beastmen shouldnt have Tzaangors.
Gather around the grognard who has played for...crap its been over 30 years.
Damn.
Oh.
GW.
Hate Beastmen.
Always have since the split. You know what Beastmen had in their first book?
Dragon Ogres.
Shaggoths.
Marks.
You know who came over pushed them down and took all their toys after though?
Ya.
Warriors while GW sat in a darkened chair in a corner laughing as the poor Beastmen had all their toys ripped away.
Also a terrible lore of magic.
Overcosted mster and more.
So CA is being very unfaithful to the spirit of GW and Beastmen.
They must be bad. Heck it has followed them into 3 editions of AoS!
Pumbagors (Razorgor model nickname) are great though.
What?
You're still here?
Go.
Shoo. Skidattle.
Go watch Beastmaster. Thank me later.
Ah but you see, Beastmen are supposed to suck. It's totally lore-accurate and stuff.
you see CA threatened to just stop suporing the game and drop it over people mad at the DLC price? i think the price is absurd its justifiable anger and then CA going full child saying well screw you then well just drop the game if you want to be like that, how ridiculous is that. my god it would be tragic though, they did it to 3 kingdoms so you certainly cant trust them not to
Instead of balancing units via their ingame price, CA is balancing them via the DLC price. Kislev won't be OP this patch because most people won't have the new units.
what is it with CA and bald women...
Wtf? The hags have hair, you ok?
good showcase !