cf express B even if its mismatched like my R5- and a shutter THAT DOESNT SOUND HORRIBLE R7 has to be the WORST shutter in any Canon I have ever used oh and the INTERNAL BUFFER ugh
I've just sold my R7 and bought a R6MKII again. 24mp cramped on an aps-c sensor would be even better, since the low light capabilities on the actual R7 are not good. I have a few friends with A6700 Sony (24mp) and one even chose it over his A1. It's very good. Please Canon, make the R7MKII great! Log 2, better AF, cf-express and stacked sensor. Would go for it for wildlife instantly.
Also, I would love, if the framerate would automaticly slow down, when you are close to hitting the buffer, instead of stopping when hitting the buffer.
@@imregal4230 great idea, but Canon doesn't seem to get it...if their premium cameras don't offer this feature, I can't see a more entry level item doing so.
@@davepasternI don't know a lot about how it works on sony or nikon cameras, but I think it's not a hardware, but a software thing. Maybe in a firmware update could bring it to the pro bodys.
All sounds too iffy for me, can't be an R7 ii sensor isn't big enough and not stacked, the price is too cheap. The specs lean more towards video so maybe an R10 C just thought I'd throw that in there.
R7 mkii with a poorer res sensor? That would be a big loss for wildlife photographers. APSC adds significant reach on any lens, but reducing res means less image to crop. Not for me.
The likes of Duane Paton, Jan Wegener, Wild Alaska etc who mainly shoot birds will not be happy with 24MP when the R7 is 33MP. Yes all the other specifications are all welcome for twitchers but the resolution is really key for small birds and resolution wise it's a backwards step.
@@novainvicta You're talking about an APS-C Sensor. From the pixel-density, it's very much. Almost not necessary. 24 on an APS-C makes very detailed pictures. Just think about Canon R1. This has 24mp and the Sensor is even x2,6 larger.
I shoot the Lumix G9 and would only consider switching to Canon if the R7 ergonomics were greatly improved, with a DEEPER grip, and the the sensor was at least 30-megs and cured of its rolling shutter. I'm not looking for cheaper, just better. Look at any gathering of bird photographers and their gear and it's easy to see the money is there for an upgraded R7. If Canon can't deliver this I'll definitely be looking at the G9 Mark 2 for an upgrade, the quality is there and it is the most comfortable camera I've ever shot in my 40+ years of professional shooting.
Personally, I’d like this to be an R9 rather than an R7 Mk 2. I would want the R7 Mk 2 to be a high level professional camera, like an R5 Mk 2 only APS-C and with a higher price point to match - say £2,500. As others have said, minimum it should be 33MP stacked sensor with battery grip option!
I've been using a 7D since 2010 and I'm impatient for Canon to launch the R7 mkII. Everything you expose in the video sounds fantastic, we'll see what they manufacture because Canon seems to be doing things halfway, mounts without lenses, it doesn't allow third parties to manufacture ........ people get tired and leave,
I’ve been waiting for an R7II, and some of the potential spec sounds good BUT the price point either suggests bargain or compromise and I’ve NEVER known Canon to do bargain 😢
An R7ii? Specs wise, it sounds like it. But at 24mp vs the current 33mp leaves me to question that. The video specs and new body design leaves me to think this could be something new that's more towards budget cinema oriented, like Sony's FX cameras.
32mp was far too many mp imho...eqivalent to 83mp FF. Not so good high ISO noise performance. 24mp will be much better balanced. And still equivalent to 61mp FF - more than enough. PS the R1 only has 24mp and it's a cracking camera by all accounts. I have a 24mp R3 and it's also amazing.
@davepastern You get no argument from me on the benefits of 24mp. But most of Canon's camera line up is around that point; R1, R3, R6, R100, R50, R10. That only leaves the R5 and R7 with a sensor that hits above 24mp. So as much as the R7 would benefit from having less MP in its sensor, I can't see Canon downsizing it in its next gen. That's why I'm leaning more towards that this is a new camera line.
@@HeadlessChickenTO 24 megapixel would give it better light performance and better iso performance in low light over the current 33 megapixels in the R7 which isn’t very good in dark shady conditions from my experience. I noticed personally the R10 was a little better in that regard.
Despite the complaints around 24mp, we see Canon, Sony and Nikon keeping this resolution in a lot of their models. LOw light performance is a big request to wildlife, but so is cropping: looks like the demand for low light performance out weighs cropping for now.
As always, a great video Simon. I have to say that this sounds like a very interesting camera. I did make a comment in one of your videos earlier about that i hoped that the "r7ii" would have a 24mp stacked sencor, to get a better low light performance, so this sounds great. I will for sure be buying this camera, if it comes with this specs. Wishing you and yours all a great week/weekend Cheers, Bjoern
No lie, I've been eyeing Nikon for a while now. Currently looking for my first full frame camera as a companion to my Canon R10 and needless to say I might just dump Canon altogether in this regard and go full in on Nikon's offerings in this regard. No lie both the Z6 mark 3 and Z7 mark 2 low light performance are looking really good right now.😏
These specs sound great, but I don't think it's the R7 mark II, because the 24.1 MP sensor. I don't know about any camera, where the mark 1 bad more pixels, than the mark 2.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker People called the R7 the mirrorless 90D, because of the sensor size, this camera sounds a bit like a mirrorless 7D Mark 2. Canon could decide to make two APS-C camera lines, one with more megapixels like an APS-C R5 and a lower megapixel APS-C R6 or APS-C R3 or APS-C R1. This would be something like the 90D and the 7D mark II from the DSLR times. But this is all speculation, I can't wait for some confirmation.
The 1500 dollar price point does not seem like a stacked sensor product. I would prefer a 2.4k price tag and a stacked sensor. The OM1mkii was 2400 on release, and I would honestly hope for a canon APSC offering on the level of the OM1.
I love my R7 with the RF 100-500 for birding. I would upgrade in a minute if 1) sensor readouts are faster, to reduce rolling shutter, and 2) the antiquated EVF were improved to better judge image quality in the field. Anything else is gravy.
That would be a lot of bang for the buck. Stacked sensor (pretty sure stacked will always be BSI, but maybe I'm wrong). CLOG 2 &3, and 4K up to 120 fps. (I think a lot of people don't understand that these high dynamic range numbers are only in CLOG 2, but I'm not going to write a dissertation on why.) I'm sure they will recycle some amount of their later autofocus capabilities. Now... things that HAVE to be considered. The number of pixels times the number of frames is a math function. It dictates the amount of storage, and therefore the need for data throughput. Without a reasonably large buffer, a high frame rate is semi-useless. But here's the most important thing that Canon keeps missing. Once the buffer is full, you have to be able to spool that internal (buffer) memory to external storage (card). SD cards are just too slow for that in modern, high frame rate cameras. CFExpress B is the bare minimum. I hate to be a broken record, but sooner or later they are going to have to implement Gen 4 slots, to allow for fast-enough spooling. I don't see that happening in a $1,500 camera, so a lower-resolution than the R7 would at least reduce the data throughput requirement. So 24mp makes sense. I would hope that they would release it along with a really small/light 16mm lens with a minimum of F/2.8 max aperture. But if the body design is new, maybe small/light isn't the point. For $1,500 the body won't be weather sealed. It will be interesting to see if this camera will want the L6 E6P batteries for full functionality. The R7 managed IBIS at the same price point, so that seems like it should be in this camera too. At $1,500, no weather sealing, and no Gen 4 slot this isn't going to be the pro-level APS-C body I've sort of dreamed of, but I can still see a number of good uses for it. BUT... if you really want to have fun with this idea, they could put a Thunderbolt port in it that would let you transfer video as well as charge at the same time. That would make it a great studio camera for YT videos and remote livestreams. It has that HDMI port, so that's not in the cards. But at the very least they need to finally allow it to charge via USB-C while in operation. That's just my opinion, and worth every penny you paid for it.
I think most of us thinks its some kind of an FX30 competitor. I'd say it's an "R7C", a more refined R5C but with an APS-C sensor. Then there will be another APS-C camera that follows the R7 wildlife-esque specs that will be also using some dumbed down R1 spec.
@@davepastern yes I guess your right! lol I think APC sensors will never be viewed as a semi-pro option for professional either all though this sense despite its size sounds pretty professional and may even be stacked.
@ with the right sensor they can imho. I’d happily accept a 20mp aps-c bsi stacked sensor with dual cfe b slots, in a R3 body shell, with R1 Af, precapture etc. it’d be pricey but a great option
Based on what we had heard last year from CR, I was expecting the price to go up to around $1899 or $1999. $1499 seems too low for everything listed here. That's why we need to wait and see validated specs.
I like my R7 for it's 33MP so bumping down to 24 even with all the improvements to output speed and autofocus feels like a disappointment. Does it sound like many of the R7 shortcomings are being addressed. Yes. The trade-off of getting fewer megapixels still makes me cringe. It would be a great value at $1499, and paired with the RF 200-800 or 100-500 would be a great wildlife combo. That said, the current 33MP allows for good results when cropping. Would 24MP allow that as well? I'm skeptical.
100%. I love / hate my R7's. They need LOTS of improvements, but the one thing the R7 has over ALL other cameras, is reach. And by reducing the MP's, it hurts the R7's biggest strength. Come on Canon, fix everything else, but leave the MP's alone..... Or save me some cash I guess.
I'm hungry for any validated info about the next R7 Mark II, that would be mine first (and perfect) mirrorless camera use for bird photography mostly. 33 mp vs 24 mpixel in not a deal breaker (if it will be a stacked sensor), currently the 33mp is one the highest pixel density on the market, higher resolution that a 60mixel in crop mode, so requires really good optics to feed the 33mixel sensor. My current APS-C camera is 24mp, that is usually enough, 33mp sensor would be percfect, but that is only +1000/700 pixel on widht and height. But what about the body ergonomics, what about button layout, customizablity, weather proofing. I hope we'll have a bit better ergonomics and a bit larger body (+more buttons) than the R7 has.
Canon is THE 24MP camera company! So . . . why not! But it doesn't sound like an R7 successor to me. Actually, the specs don't sound like ONE camera. They don't pass the smell test. Something's been lost in translation. Probably several somethings. And . . . it's definitely not coming this year. 2026. Or maybe early 2027. (We've been here before.)
Personally I take anything coming out of Canon rumors with a very LARGE grain of salt. We all know how stubborn Canon is when it comes to change and their general unwillingness to cater to the consumer market. A move like this would essentially be Canon admitting they were wrong all this time. And assuming they actually do revamp their APSC line, the question will still remain: Will they develop new lenses to back it up or will the market just be flooded with more bodies. Regardless I remain skeptical, ball's in your court Canon, make your move.
As you should. I have found following patents to be a more accurate method, but none the less, CR does have some good sources. The problem is that the informaiton can change internally and often does.
Well, this sounds like an R7II to me. Even though it's a lower resolution than the R7, the stacked sensor explains that. But whatever its badging, it sounds very exciting to me! Particularly if they can hit that price point!
4K 120fps, CLOG3, 30FPS mechanical burst with good buffer, on stacked APS-C sensor and less than 1500 bucks, and probably with good IBIS, if these are true...DAMN!
Canon R8 in your affiliate links says its $1099 price drop -- but at the destinations it says it's $1499 Was there a recent price increase with the R8 or was the price drop just a limited time thing?
I don't know if it's just me but both the R7 and R8 always felt more like prototypes/pet projects than actual finished cameras. The R7 was given a higher MP count which might work well for say birding but impractical for other uses (No, most people aren't pixel peeping and NO, most people aren't printing). Then you have the R8 which is full frame guts shoved into a crop sensor body giving it a more compact design that most people complained about (personally I don't mind compact cameras, but I get it) coupled with the fact they removed basic features that even it's older predecessor the R10 had like a mechanical shutter and rear joystick. And if I'm being honest, I'm not the biggest fan of the the decisions Canon has been making in recent years. Ever since the introduction of the R mount Canon has made some very questionable choices. Everything from flooding the market with bodies, laughable lens support (again, only catering to the pros), restricting 3rd parties and now it seems like they're abandoning the stills market (in a sense) in a desperate attempt to compete with SONY in videography. Here's hoping they get back on the right track.
I've shot up to 25,600 iso on the R7 and gotten some pretty great shots with it. I don't think this makes sense be an r10, due to the huge upgrade that this would be in terms of the specs. I also don't think it would be the r7 either... Since the R7 has a 32.5mp sensor, and every other camera has kept the same MP when the new camera has come out... I feel like this 'shaking up the APSC line' may be something else is potentially on the horizon, but who knows.
I'm hoping and waiting for the R10 refresh but I know it will also mean a R77 refresh since they are like siamese twins. I'm still using my nearly 15 y/o SL1 so I am in no hurry. This year next year not an issue since my phone continues to improve significantly better year to year.
Hey Simon, this is indeed an intriguing rumor !! As you correctly state, this kind of performance begs for a CFxB card, because even V90 SD cards only would be a clear handicap. The price seems the same as the R7 when released, but upgrading it with a stacked sensor and CFxB while keeping IBIS and the EVF seems like a lot of goodies in order to swallow the significant loss of megapickles .. If this were truly the R7ii, then it would gain a lot .. but having "only" about 61mp in FF equivalent, it would hardly provide more reach over the R5ii. And extra reach was exactly the reason why birders were grabbing the 7Dii and R7 .. This also might be a new vlogging-centric body without EVF ? And when the price point of the R7 goes to this video body, they may release a few months later the real R7ii with similar tech but more mp somewhere around $1800 ? Also wondering, this rumored RC .. perhaps this could be the moniker for the kinda expected retro-body, where the C is not from Cinema but from Classic ??
simon, when i first bought my first mirrorless camera from canon. it was the R. thought myself that the 30MP were a perfect pair. then i git the R6 and R5. i found the files in the R5 were really large. i thought the R6 was an easier camera to edit. i also found the 24 MP. were a little to small for cropping. what happened to the perfect 30MP?
Whatever this camera is, it definitely marks progress for Canon's APS-C range so that's good. Hear me out on this though - I hope it isn't the R7ii. I hoped Canon would release a fully-formed flagship APS-C camera to replace the R7 and at that price point, I don't think (hope?) that this is it. The drop in resolution is another thing that makes me think this is something else - the R7 is very popular among bird photographers (myself included, despite its limitations). Dropping to 24MP would not be popular in that segment of the market. Anyway, I'm still hoping for an R7ii around the same resolution as the existing model with a stacked sensor, virtually no rolling shutter, a battery grip and properly implemented RAW Pre-capture. I wouldn't mind a bump in price - even a quite significant one - over the R7 to get that camera...
Why does Canon seem to prioritise video capabilities (eg the suggested new 5d mk2 firmware looks to be video focused) and pushing for higher FPS across their entire lineup? I'm curious about how many Canon mirrorless owners actually make use of these video features. Personally, I'd prefer to see a full frame camera focused on still photography, with improved dynamic range and exceptional low-light performance.
I believe the EOS R8 was the successor to the R. Other than the change in battery, the R8 comes in at the right price point and better specs. I don't think an APS C camera can be seen as a successor to the R.
Have you realized ( I haven't before ) that difference between 24 Mpix = 4000 x 6000 and 32,5 Mpix = 4896 x 6528 is not so huge, if you think how much more pixels there are per side.
These specs almost sound like the R6 mkiii, with the exception of this possibly being an APS-C camera. Makes me wonder if this is not an APS-C camera and possibly translation issues are at fault here.
Most of the lenses struggles on the R7s 33 megapixel sensor. 24megapixel would be better for low light performance and better lens performance in terms of sharpness and chromatic aberration.
There is less and less usefulness having an SD card slot with these insane video specs and frame rates of these modern cameras and the reluctance for manufacturers to provide adaquately large buffers. Its time we move on to dual CF express type B and never look back.
No mention of EVF? No mention of IBIS? Reduced resolution? Below $1500 yet stacked sensor? If these rumors are true, this sounds more like a new line of camera in the vein of the Sony ZVE10 series rather than a R7/10 successor. Or maybe it’s a spiritual successor to the M6ii?
That would make it Canon’s 5th full frame 24mp camera if so. They need something full frame In the 28-32mp range. I’m guessing on the R6mkii having a slight bump in MP to like 28mp or something. How many more 24mp full frame cameras do we need?!
@nk__weird take. I used to have an R7 as a B-cam to my R5, and I never reached for it, so I sold it. The R7 is a fairly decent “entry” level mirrorless camera, but has a number of issues. The R7 was essentially what an R9 should have been.
@@billmartin1663the R7 is actually pretty descent in terms of noise handling for an APSC camera, especially one with such a high megapixel count. The noise is more like a fine grain, as opposed to other APSC cameras which have a green and magenta mush. The files clean up extremely well with noise reduction, particularly DxO pureraw. As long as the subject isn’t miles away, I’ve cleaned up images at ISO 12800 on the R7 with great results. It’s the often unreliable autofocus, rolling shutter and cheap feel I didn’t like.
I'm sorry man I've been watching you for a while. Personally don't think this video should have been created speculation is way too much and ends up confusing the market.
People moan that the 33mp gives too much noise. People moan that 24mp is too low for cropping. Two things are always certain in the camera world, Canon can't win and people alwaya have something to moan about
Is it any stranger than the fact that their "flagship" has 24mp? Data throughput requirement is resolution x frames. High resolution plus a high frame rate means that you need to spring for a bigger buffer, and a faster memory storage (like CFExpress B). Also, a rolling shutter scans one line at a time. The more lines you add, the longer it takes to scan the whole sensor, and that's what causes rolling shutter distortion. So one way to speed everything up is to limit the resolution. The other way is a lot harder, and way beyond a $1,500 camera. I don't mean that to sound biting. There's a reason why a Hasselblad X2d at 100mp only shoots something like 8 frames per second. Everything is a trade-off. To get higher resolution, higher frames per second, and eliminate rolling shutter distortion they're going to need a new class of sensor. Right now, Canon is recycling technology. It's profitable, but it's not going to yield any major advancements.
The only thing they need to do with the R7 is fix the vertical/battery grip and a few ergonomic issues. They should do things that fix the usability but keep the price in the same bracket. The R7's current sensor size is what makes it attractive in the APS-C format. Using EF lenses on a speedbooster on the R7 is the only combination I was going to buy. If the R7 were only 24MP I would not have bought it. If they want to start changing things like sensor size and add all those other things, they need to just call it an R4.
Resolution x frame rate = data throughput requirement. The higher the frame rate, the more internal buffer you need, and the longer it takes to spool when the buffer fills up. Personally, I've always thought that's the reason we are seeing cameras like the R1 coming with 24mp sensors. Also, a rolling shutter scans one line at a time. The more resolution, the more lines to be scanned, and the greater the chance for rolling shutter distortion. I know, I know...Digic Accelerator. I'm not going to open that can of worms. But a sensor with fewer lines to scan makes for less opportunity to get rolling shutter distortion. I could totally see Canon releasing this camera, regardless of the name.
32mpn APS-C is just stupidity. Original 7D was what, 18mp and the 7DII was 20mp. 24mp is more than enough for a APS-C camera (~61mp FF designs in terms of resolution). 24mp will be much better than a 32mp sensor with regards to high ISO noise. I don't know about you, but I shoot regularly at ISO6400-8000 and the R7 sucks at these high ISOs (I don't use a R7 btw). Why do you need a bigger pissing contest camera?
There is a large school of thought that believes 24 mp is enough, providing better low light performance. This school is large enough that we keep seeing 24mp across Canon, Nikon and even Sony.
The real question is: If it is an R10 then where are tehy positioning it in the market in relation to their other cameras and which market segment do they see it fitting into best. I suspect they want to move it up makrket to repalce the R7 instead of placing it into the budget and starter camera segment it currently tops out with the R50 abd R100 under it. I honestly would like ot see their marketing plan for the entire line. Right now it is a compelte mess with the RP and R8 hanging out in the middle of no wherer and the R10 being an advanced introductory camera for more epxerienced beginners. They also don't really have a super lightweight vlogging camera in the R-series/
That would make it Canon’s 5th full frame 24mp camera if so. They need something full frame In the 28-32mp range. I’m guessing on the R6mkii having a slight bump in MP to like 28mp or something. How many more 24mp full frame cameras do we need?!
The only 2 things I want from a R7II is an updated 33MP stacked + BSI sensor, plus support for battery grip. That's it! simple
24mp seems to be very popular ;)
@OrdinaryFilmmaker but I don't think they are going to "downgrade" it. Well, coming from Canon we can expect anything 😅
cf express B even if its mismatched like my R5- and a shutter THAT DOESNT SOUND HORRIBLE R7 has to be the WORST shutter in any Canon I have ever used oh and the INTERNAL BUFFER ugh
I've just sold my R7 and bought a R6MKII again.
24mp cramped on an aps-c sensor would be even better, since the low light capabilities on the actual R7 are not good. I have a few friends with A6700 Sony (24mp) and one even chose it over his A1. It's very good.
Please Canon, make the R7MKII great! Log 2, better AF, cf-express and stacked sensor. Would go for it for wildlife instantly.
100% spot on.
I hope it will have a stonger material for the viewfinder cup. It damaged easily on the R7.
Also, I would love, if the framerate would automaticly slow down, when you are close to hitting the buffer, instead of stopping when hitting the buffer.
@@imregal4230 great idea, but Canon doesn't seem to get it...if their premium cameras don't offer this feature, I can't see a more entry level item doing so.
@@davepasternI don't know a lot about how it works on sony or nikon cameras, but I think it's not a hardware, but a software thing. Maybe in a firmware update could bring it to the pro bodys.
informative news thanks Simon.
R7II needs good to excellent weather proofing being a sports and wildlife smudger
All sounds too iffy for me, can't be an R7 ii sensor isn't big enough and not stacked, the price is too cheap. The specs lean more towards video so maybe an R10 C just thought I'd throw that in there.
@@DavidHolt-o8r they would never put c-log 2 in a cheap R10 body, would they? lol
I believe it is stacked...
R7 mkii with a poorer res sensor? That would be a big loss for wildlife photographers. APSC adds significant reach on any lens, but reducing res means less image to crop. Not for me.
The likes of Duane Paton, Jan Wegener, Wild Alaska etc who mainly shoot birds will not be happy with 24MP when the R7 is 33MP. Yes all the other specifications are all welcome for twitchers but the resolution is really key for small birds and resolution wise it's a backwards step.
100 % !
@@novainvicta You're talking about an APS-C Sensor. From the pixel-density, it's very much. Almost not necessary. 24 on an APS-C makes very detailed pictures. Just think about Canon R1. This has 24mp and the Sensor is even x2,6 larger.
The R7 is a BEAST!! A Mk2 would be awesome. Canon is really making some epic cameras right now.
Im down with the R7 II. Can't wait for it!
I shoot the Lumix G9 and would only consider switching to Canon if the R7 ergonomics were greatly improved, with a DEEPER grip, and the the sensor was at least 30-megs and cured of its rolling shutter. I'm not looking for cheaper, just better. Look at any gathering of bird photographers and their gear and it's easy to see the money is there for an upgraded R7. If Canon can't deliver this I'll definitely be looking at the G9 Mark 2 for an upgrade, the quality is there and it is the most comfortable camera I've ever shot in my 40+ years of professional shooting.
Thank you for the update. In my opinion they wouldn’t go back to 24MP for the R7 MK2. Sounds more like something in between the R10 and R7 MK2
Personally, I’d like this to be an R9 rather than an R7 Mk 2. I would want the R7 Mk 2 to be a high level professional camera, like an R5 Mk 2 only APS-C and with a higher price point to match - say £2,500. As others have said, minimum it should be 33MP stacked sensor with battery grip option!
Someone suggested it could be an R9 instead of the R7 II but I thought that would cramp the R7 II if correct
I've been using a 7D since 2010 and I'm impatient for Canon to launch the R7 mkII. Everything you expose in the video sounds fantastic, we'll see what they manufacture because Canon seems to be doing things halfway, mounts without lenses, it doesn't allow third parties to manufacture ........ people get tired and leave,
I’ve been waiting for an R7II, and some of the potential spec sounds good BUT the price point either suggests bargain or compromise and I’ve NEVER known Canon to do bargain 😢
Yeah... I was expecting them to up the price a few hundred and give us the camera we need.
An R7ii? Specs wise, it sounds like it. But at 24mp vs the current 33mp leaves me to question that. The video specs and new body design leaves me to think this could be something new that's more towards budget cinema oriented, like Sony's FX cameras.
32mp was far too many mp imho...eqivalent to 83mp FF. Not so good high ISO noise performance. 24mp will be much better balanced. And still equivalent to 61mp FF - more than enough.
PS the R1 only has 24mp and it's a cracking camera by all accounts. I have a 24mp R3 and it's also amazing.
@davepastern
You get no argument from me on the benefits of 24mp. But most of Canon's camera line up is around that point; R1, R3, R6, R100, R50, R10. That only leaves the R5 and R7 with a sensor that hits above 24mp. So as much as the R7 would benefit from having less MP in its sensor, I can't see Canon downsizing it in its next gen. That's why I'm leaning more towards that this is a new camera line.
@@HeadlessChickenTO Canon made a mistake with the original R7 sensor. it overreached.
@@HeadlessChickenTO 24 megapixel would give it better light performance and better iso performance in low light over the current 33 megapixels in the R7 which isn’t very good in dark shady conditions from my experience. I noticed personally the R10 was a little better in that regard.
Despite the complaints around 24mp, we see Canon, Sony and Nikon keeping this resolution in a lot of their models. LOw light performance is a big request to wildlife, but so is cropping: looks like the demand for low light performance out weighs cropping for now.
This sounds like the rumored rc camera to compete against the fx30.
Makes sense, Sony made a great move with their FX series, Canon would like to compete in that segment. The body redesign kinda hints that imo.
I'll wait to see how well people like it. I prefer to buy used gear as a hobbyist.
As always, a great video Simon. I have to say that this sounds like a very interesting camera. I did make a comment in one of your videos earlier about that i hoped that the "r7ii" would have a 24mp stacked sencor, to get a better low light performance, so this sounds great. I will for sure be buying this camera, if it comes with this specs.
Wishing you and yours all a great week/weekend
Cheers, Bjoern
I'd rather have better low light performance than a larger sensor. I already have a large resolution camera ;)
Won't buy a R7M2 with "only" 24 MP. A better solution would be a higher price, around 2k, and not less than 33 MP!
...to me at least.
An Apsc camera gets canon log 2 before the r6 mark ii 😂😂😂 i have to go to Nikon or Sony... the cripple hammer is REAL
No lie, I've been eyeing Nikon for a while now. Currently looking for my first full frame camera as a companion to my Canon R10 and needless to say I might just dump Canon altogether in this regard and go full in on Nikon's offerings in this regard. No lie both the Z6 mark 3 and Z7 mark 2 low light performance are looking really good right now.😏
These specs sound great, but I don't think it's the R7 mark II, because the 24.1 MP sensor. I don't know about any camera, where the mark 1 bad more pixels, than the mark 2.
R9?
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker People called the R7 the mirrorless 90D, because of the sensor size, this camera sounds a bit like a mirrorless 7D Mark 2.
Canon could decide to make two APS-C camera lines, one with more megapixels like an APS-C R5 and a lower megapixel APS-C R6 or APS-C R3 or APS-C R1.
This would be something like the 90D and the 7D mark II from the DSLR times.
But this is all speculation, I can't wait for some confirmation.
The 1500 dollar price point does not seem like a stacked sensor product. I would prefer a 2.4k price tag and a stacked sensor. The OM1mkii was 2400 on release, and I would honestly hope for a canon APSC offering on the level of the OM1.
I love my R7 with the RF 100-500 for birding. I would upgrade in a minute if 1) sensor readouts are faster, to reduce rolling shutter, and 2) the antiquated EVF were improved to better judge image quality in the field. Anything else is gravy.
That would be a lot of bang for the buck. Stacked sensor (pretty sure stacked will always be BSI, but maybe I'm wrong). CLOG 2 &3, and 4K up to 120 fps. (I think a lot of people don't understand that these high dynamic range numbers are only in CLOG 2, but I'm not going to write a dissertation on why.) I'm sure they will recycle some amount of their later autofocus capabilities.
Now... things that HAVE to be considered. The number of pixels times the number of frames is a math function. It dictates the amount of storage, and therefore the need for data throughput. Without a reasonably large buffer, a high frame rate is semi-useless. But here's the most important thing that Canon keeps missing. Once the buffer is full, you have to be able to spool that internal (buffer) memory to external storage (card). SD cards are just too slow for that in modern, high frame rate cameras. CFExpress B is the bare minimum. I hate to be a broken record, but sooner or later they are going to have to implement Gen 4 slots, to allow for fast-enough spooling. I don't see that happening in a $1,500 camera, so a lower-resolution than the R7 would at least reduce the data throughput requirement. So 24mp makes sense.
I would hope that they would release it along with a really small/light 16mm lens with a minimum of F/2.8 max aperture. But if the body design is new, maybe small/light isn't the point. For $1,500 the body won't be weather sealed. It will be interesting to see if this camera will want the L6 E6P batteries for full functionality. The R7 managed IBIS at the same price point, so that seems like it should be in this camera too.
At $1,500, no weather sealing, and no Gen 4 slot this isn't going to be the pro-level APS-C body I've sort of dreamed of, but I can still see a number of good uses for it. BUT... if you really want to have fun with this idea, they could put a Thunderbolt port in it that would let you transfer video as well as charge at the same time. That would make it a great studio camera for YT videos and remote livestreams. It has that HDMI port, so that's not in the cards. But at the very least they need to finally allow it to charge via USB-C while in operation. That's just my opinion, and worth every penny you paid for it.
I think most of us thinks its some kind of an FX30 competitor. I'd say it's an "R7C", a more refined R5C but with an APS-C sensor. Then there will be another APS-C camera that follows the R7 wildlife-esque specs that will be also using some dumbed down R1 spec.
So for $1500 we won’t get a body upgrade to that of the R6 Mark II with all the same button layout to make using all the semi pro bodies seamless? 🤔
probably not...Canon has to gimp it somehow LOL!!!!
@@davepastern yes I guess your right! lol I think APC sensors will never be viewed as a semi-pro option for professional either all though this sense despite its size sounds pretty professional and may even be stacked.
@ with the right sensor they can imho. I’d happily accept a 20mp aps-c bsi stacked sensor with dual cfe b slots, in a R3 body shell, with R1 Af, precapture etc. it’d be pricey but a great option
@ too bad the manufacturers don’t allow to build your own camera. lol
Based on what we had heard last year from CR, I was expecting the price to go up to around $1899 or $1999. $1499 seems too low for everything listed here. That's why we need to wait and see validated specs.
I like my R7 for it's 33MP so bumping down to 24 even with all the improvements to output speed and autofocus feels like a disappointment. Does it sound like many of the R7 shortcomings are being addressed. Yes. The trade-off of getting fewer megapixels still makes me cringe. It would be a great value at $1499, and paired with the RF 200-800 or 100-500 would be a great wildlife combo. That said, the current 33MP allows for good results when cropping. Would 24MP allow that as well? I'm skeptical.
100%. I love / hate my R7's. They need LOTS of improvements, but the one thing the R7 has over ALL other cameras, is reach. And by reducing the MP's, it hurts the R7's biggest strength. Come on Canon, fix everything else, but leave the MP's alone..... Or save me some cash I guess.
I'm hungry for any validated info about the next R7 Mark II, that would be mine first (and perfect) mirrorless camera use for bird photography mostly.
33 mp vs 24 mpixel in not a deal breaker (if it will be a stacked sensor), currently the 33mp is one the highest pixel density on the market, higher resolution that a 60mixel in crop mode, so requires really good optics to feed the 33mixel sensor. My current APS-C camera is 24mp, that is usually enough, 33mp sensor would be percfect, but that is only +1000/700 pixel on widht and height.
But what about the body ergonomics, what about button layout, customizablity, weather proofing. I hope we'll have a bit better ergonomics and a bit larger body (+more buttons) than the R7 has.
Maybe we'll see built in huge buffer storage or 1TB built in SSD like Hasselblad 😂👍
Canon is THE 24MP camera company! So . . . why not! But it doesn't sound like an R7 successor to me. Actually, the specs don't sound like ONE camera. They don't pass the smell test. Something's been lost in translation. Probably several somethings. And . . . it's definitely not coming this year. 2026. Or maybe early 2027. (We've been here before.)
Nooo sony is 24mp company hahaha they use that in their apsc line for generation untill a6700 hahaha
Is that BSI stacked sensor Simon, or just stacked?
Any stacked sensor is BSI. I've never known anyone to make a stacked sensor that isn't BSI - just doesn't make sense.
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker you can have a FSI stacked sensor.
Personally I take anything coming out of Canon rumors with a very LARGE grain of salt. We all know how stubborn Canon is when it comes to change and their general unwillingness to cater to the consumer market. A move like this would essentially be Canon admitting they were wrong all this time. And assuming they actually do revamp their APSC line, the question will still remain: Will they develop new lenses to back it up or will the market just be flooded with more bodies. Regardless I remain skeptical, ball's in your court Canon, make your move.
As you should. I have found following patents to be a more accurate method, but none the less, CR does have some good sources. The problem is that the informaiton can change internally and often does.
considering what camouflage is used for.....how do you find your shirts in the closet?
Well, this sounds like an R7II to me. Even though it's a lower resolution than the R7, the stacked sensor explains that. But whatever its badging, it sounds very exciting to me! Particularly if they can hit that price point!
4K 120fps, CLOG3, 30FPS mechanical burst with good buffer, on stacked APS-C sensor and less than 1500 bucks, and probably with good IBIS, if these are true...DAMN!
Won't be 30 fps mechanical. Likely 12fps.
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Canon R8 in your affiliate links says its $1099 price drop -- but at the destinations it says it's $1499
Was there a recent price increase with the R8 or was the price drop just a limited time thing?
I don't know if it's just me but both the R7 and R8 always felt more like prototypes/pet projects than actual finished cameras. The R7 was given a higher MP count which might work well for say birding but impractical for other uses (No, most people aren't pixel peeping and NO, most people aren't printing). Then you have the R8 which is full frame guts shoved into a crop sensor body giving it a more compact design that most people complained about (personally I don't mind compact cameras, but I get it) coupled with the fact they removed basic features that even it's older predecessor the R10 had like a mechanical shutter and rear joystick.
And if I'm being honest, I'm not the biggest fan of the the decisions Canon has been making in recent years. Ever since the introduction of the R mount Canon has made some very questionable choices. Everything from flooding the market with bodies, laughable lens support (again, only catering to the pros), restricting 3rd parties and now it seems like they're abandoning the stills market (in a sense) in a desperate attempt to compete with SONY in videography. Here's hoping they get back on the right track.
I feel the R8 was a better effort than the R7. It's as though Canon didn't listen to its customer base.
I've shot up to 25,600 iso on the R7 and gotten some pretty great shots with it. I don't think this makes sense be an r10, due to the huge upgrade that this would be in terms of the specs. I also don't think it would be the r7 either... Since the R7 has a 32.5mp sensor, and every other camera has kept the same MP when the new camera has come out... I feel like this 'shaking up the APSC line' may be something else is potentially on the horizon, but who knows.
This all sounds very good but at 24 megapixels at under 1500 I don't think it will be R7 II but it does sound excellent
You could be right.
I'm hoping and waiting for the R10 refresh but I know it will also mean a R77 refresh since they are like siamese twins. I'm still using my nearly 15 y/o SL1 so I am in no hurry. This year next year not an issue since my phone continues to improve significantly better year to year.
What if it's an update to both? Like when the R8 came out. Maybe like the R8 and R6ii the R7 and R10 will share some the new features and technology.
Hey Simon, this is indeed an intriguing rumor !! As you correctly state, this kind of performance begs for a CFxB card, because even V90 SD cards only would be a clear handicap.
The price seems the same as the R7 when released, but upgrading it with a stacked sensor and CFxB while keeping IBIS and the EVF seems like a lot of goodies in order to swallow the significant loss of megapickles ..
If this were truly the R7ii, then it would gain a lot .. but having "only" about 61mp in FF equivalent, it would hardly provide more reach over the R5ii. And extra reach was exactly the reason why birders were grabbing the 7Dii and R7 ..
This also might be a new vlogging-centric body without EVF ? And when the price point of the R7 goes to this video body, they may release a few months later the real R7ii with similar tech but more mp somewhere around $1800 ?
Also wondering, this rumored RC .. perhaps this could be the moniker for the kinda expected retro-body, where the C is not from Cinema but from Classic ??
24mpx would be a show stopper for me. I would just shoot R5ii in apsc mode.
simon, when i first bought my first mirrorless camera from canon. it was the R. thought myself that the 30MP were a perfect pair. then i git the R6 and R5. i found the files in the R5 were really large. i thought the R6 was an easier camera to edit. i also found the 24 MP. were a little to small for cropping. what happened to the perfect 30MP?
Thoughts on new lens RF 16-28MM F2.8 IS STM the companion lens to the RF 28-70 F2.8 IS STM?
And finally update to RP II ?
Would not upgrade our current R7 if the new one has 24mp sensor! I would need at least 30mp stacked..
Whatever this camera is, it definitely marks progress for Canon's APS-C range so that's good. Hear me out on this though - I hope it isn't the R7ii. I hoped Canon would release a fully-formed flagship APS-C camera to replace the R7 and at that price point, I don't think (hope?) that this is it. The drop in resolution is another thing that makes me think this is something else - the R7 is very popular among bird photographers (myself included, despite its limitations). Dropping to 24MP would not be popular in that segment of the market. Anyway, I'm still hoping for an R7ii around the same resolution as the existing model with a stacked sensor, virtually no rolling shutter, a battery grip and properly implemented RAW Pre-capture. I wouldn't mind a bump in price - even a quite significant one - over the R7 to get that camera...
Why does Canon seem to prioritise video capabilities (eg the suggested new 5d mk2 firmware looks to be video focused) and pushing for higher FPS across their entire lineup? I'm curious about how many Canon mirrorless owners actually make use of these video features. Personally, I'd prefer to see a full frame camera focused on still photography, with improved dynamic range and exceptional low-light performance.
How is image quality of R1 vs R 5 II?
I believe the EOS R8 was the successor to the R. Other than the change in battery, the R8 comes in at the right price point and better specs. I don't think an APS C camera can be seen as a successor to the R.
I want more than 24MP when I upgrade from my R7 with 32.5MP
24mp would be a dealbreaker for me
it would at least be a BIG strike 1 for me. If they don't greatly improve "everything else", they will be saving me a good chunk of $$$.
I think it is could be the r9 or the r7 mark 2.
I just want a mega-pickle for this enormous cheese burger 🍔
Coming up - its been a while.
Have you realized ( I haven't before ) that difference between 24 Mpix = 4000 x 6000 and 32,5 Mpix = 4896 x 6528 is not so huge, if you think how much more pixels there are per side.
These specs almost sound like the R6 mkiii, with the exception of this possibly being an APS-C camera. Makes me wonder if this is not an APS-C camera and possibly translation issues are at fault here.
Most of the lenses struggles on the R7s 33 megapixel sensor. 24megapixel would be better for low light performance and better lens performance in terms of sharpness and chromatic aberration.
Canon need come out more fast RF-S lens first.
There is less and less usefulness having an SD card slot with these insane video specs and frame rates of these modern cameras and the reluctance for manufacturers to provide adaquately large buffers. Its time we move on to dual CF express type B and never look back.
I agree - I just don't think its going to happen anytime soon.
No mention of EVF? No mention of IBIS? Reduced resolution? Below $1500 yet stacked sensor? If these rumors are true, this sounds more like a new line of camera in the vein of the Sony ZVE10 series rather than a R7/10 successor. Or maybe it’s a spiritual successor to the M6ii?
Couldn’t this be an aps-c version of the R1? A flagship in that segment? Then an R7 II would serve as an R5 II of the aps-c for example
R72 badly needs a battery grip, no grip ,no buy.
100%. No battery grip with the original R7 was a huge screw up.
I think it would be a new model based of "new body design philosophy" thing.
Sound more like a Canon EOS R20.
Canon EOS R7 Mark 2 - 45MP or 32MP APS-C
… sounds like Canon is becoming a videographer company… both for this as well as the rumored firmware update of the R 5 Mk II… sad.
Just change to a full frame sensor, and it perfectly fits with R6 mk3. It’s too good to be an R10 mk2, but not enough MP for R7 mk2.
That would make it Canon’s 5th full frame 24mp camera if so. They need something full frame
In the 28-32mp range. I’m guessing on the R6mkii having a slight bump in MP to like 28mp or something. How many more 24mp full frame cameras do we need?!
Anything, I mean anything, would be better than the R7. 🚫💩
Looks like you've never used one
r7 is fun camera
@nk__weird take.
I used to have an R7 as a B-cam to my R5, and I never reached for it, so I sold it. The R7 is a fairly decent “entry” level mirrorless camera, but has a number of issues. The R7 was essentially what an R9 should have been.
In bright sunlight, the R7 is pretty good! (But when the clouds move in or you're in golden hour . . . you're right.)
@@billmartin1663the R7 is actually pretty descent in terms of noise handling for an APSC camera, especially one with such a high megapixel count. The noise is more like a fine grain, as opposed to other APSC cameras which have a green and magenta mush. The files clean up extremely well with noise reduction, particularly DxO pureraw. As long as the subject isn’t miles away, I’ve cleaned up images at ISO 12800 on the R7 with great results. It’s the often unreliable autofocus, rolling shutter and cheap feel I didn’t like.
I'm sorry man I've been watching you for a while. Personally don't think this video should have been created speculation is way too much and ends up confusing the market.
People moan that the 33mp gives too much noise. People moan that 24mp is too low for cropping. Two things are always certain in the camera world, Canon can't win and people alwaya have something to moan about
We aren't automatons: we each have different needs - informed or otherwise.
Strange Cabon chose to reduce sensor MP from 32 to 24. This doesn't sound like improvement.
They haven’t chosen to, it’s all rumours at the moment.
Is it any stranger than the fact that their "flagship" has 24mp? Data throughput requirement is resolution x frames. High resolution plus a high frame rate means that you need to spring for a bigger buffer, and a faster memory storage (like CFExpress B). Also, a rolling shutter scans one line at a time. The more lines you add, the longer it takes to scan the whole sensor, and that's what causes rolling shutter distortion. So one way to speed everything up is to limit the resolution. The other way is a lot harder, and way beyond a $1,500 camera.
I don't mean that to sound biting. There's a reason why a Hasselblad X2d at 100mp only shoots something like 8 frames per second. Everything is a trade-off. To get higher resolution, higher frames per second, and eliminate rolling shutter distortion they're going to need a new class of sensor. Right now, Canon is recycling technology. It's profitable, but it's not going to yield any major advancements.
R6iii ????
Here is a comment to YT will give you an extra half a penny.
Yep, this time of year, you are bang on!
might be R9
Yes, but what does that mean to the R7 - not giving it much room to grow, and this rumour is about APS-C - the R8 is full frame.
You lost me at 24mp
The only thing they need to do with the R7 is fix the vertical/battery grip and a few ergonomic issues. They should do things that fix the usability but keep the price in the same bracket. The R7's current sensor size is what makes it attractive in the APS-C format. Using EF lenses on a speedbooster on the R7 is the only combination I was going to buy. If the R7 were only 24MP I would not have bought it. If they want to start changing things like sensor size and add all those other things, they need to just call it an R4.
I need this camera as I am just feed up with my R7 for now as I saw my friend with R6mii which is good but I only want apsc camera
Canon's been listening. The followup will be a big deal.
take my r7 give me this
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Yes 24 megapixel r7 mk.2? No buy ! Makes no sense
A whole bunch of ??????????????
Resolution x frame rate = data throughput requirement. The higher the frame rate, the more internal buffer you need, and the longer it takes to spool when the buffer fills up. Personally, I've always thought that's the reason we are seeing cameras like the R1 coming with 24mp sensors.
Also, a rolling shutter scans one line at a time. The more resolution, the more lines to be scanned, and the greater the chance for rolling shutter distortion. I know, I know...Digic Accelerator. I'm not going to open that can of worms. But a sensor with fewer lines to scan makes for less opportunity to get rolling shutter distortion.
I could totally see Canon releasing this camera, regardless of the name.
How does 24mp not make sense?
@OrdinaryFilmmaker cause the original r7 is 32.5
Would hate if this were the R7 II. Why does Canon keep neutering resolution? Infuriating
32mpn APS-C is just stupidity. Original 7D was what, 18mp and the 7DII was 20mp. 24mp is more than enough for a APS-C camera (~61mp FF designs in terms of resolution). 24mp will be much better than a 32mp sensor with regards to high ISO noise. I don't know about you, but I shoot regularly at ISO6400-8000 and the R7 sucks at these high ISOs (I don't use a R7 btw).
Why do you need a bigger pissing contest camera?
Canon is all about 24MP for FULL FRAME. But 24MP isn't enough for birds. I don't see this being an R7 successor.
@@davepastern I don't give a sh It's amazing. I've gotten used to it and this is a back that I do not want to take.
There is a large school of thought that believes 24 mp is enough, providing better low light performance. This school is large enough that we keep seeing 24mp across Canon, Nikon and even Sony.
@OrdinaryFilmmaker That is a school of flunkys and I do not attend it.
The real question is: If it is an R10 then where are tehy positioning it in the market in relation to their other cameras and which market segment do they see it fitting into best. I suspect they want to move it up makrket to repalce the R7 instead of placing it into the budget and starter camera segment it currently tops out with the R50 abd R100 under it. I honestly would like ot see their marketing plan for the entire line. Right now it is a compelte mess with the RP and R8 hanging out in the middle of no wherer and the R10 being an advanced introductory camera for more epxerienced beginners. They also don't really have a super lightweight vlogging camera in the R-series/
I´m thinking that will be a full frame camera
That would make it Canon’s 5th full frame 24mp camera if so. They need something full frame
In the 28-32mp range. I’m guessing on the R6mkii having a slight bump in MP to like 28mp or something. How many more 24mp full frame cameras do we need?!