Update December 2021: The Lakeline LLC 15 Round Magazine Extension FAILED after 3 weeks fully loaded. The 3D printed plastic just doesn't seem to be up to the task. Here's a link to the followup video. th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
@kialynsmith8146 The fun is awesome. If you want a 15 round magazine get a factory GX4 CARRY magazine. The Lakeline extension did not do well in the long run.
First to check out this video. Thanks for taking the plunge on the 15 rounder but I’m going to stick with my 13 round magazine and the 11 round magazines. Just got my Taurus GX4 back from Taurus as I had a dead trigger issue they had to resolve. They installed a new trigger assembly. I’m looking forward to getting it back out to the range this weekend. Can’t say I was excited about having to send my new GX4 to Taurus for repair but they turned it around super fast. It only took 2 weeks to repair so kudos to Taurus on their customer service out of Bainbridge GA! Expecting no issues going forward. 🤞
I bought a GX4 when they first came out. Mine arrived with a dead trigger. I was pretty angry. I even made a TH-cam video showing how the trigger did not work. I didn’t want other people who had a similar dead trigger to think that they were alone. It turns out that there were a couple of other videos about the same problem by other people already. I called Taurus and shipped it back at their expense, they replaced the trigger assembly, and sent it back in less than a week and a half. It works perfectly fine now and I am happy. But boy was I pissed off that I had to send in my brand new gun one day after I got it. Good luck to you and I hope your repaired pistol meets your expectations.
Sometimes you just have to accept that concealability is worth a couple of rounds. This Gx4 is outstanding with its 11 round mag. The 13 is just gravy. It is amazing how well it shoots for a micro too. Even I can hit the target!
My secondary magazine needs to be 13 rounds or 15, because since the mag is so short, it's hard to take out of it's holster. Also, if I ever needed a second mag, I would like for it to be higher capacity.
Thanks for sharing. By the way, we did a followup on this product after it experienced a catastrophic failure. Lakeline removed the 15 round extended baseplate from their website shortly after this video was made.
Great video. Very informative. My opinion is that a Micro compact pistol has a specific purpose. 11 or 13 rounds in a small footprint is good enough for me. I think 15 rounds kind of defeats the purpose and I've never been one to carry a Non-OEM factory magazine when being used for self defense. I would only use Taurus parts if I was going to protect my life with it. So, I'm glad you did the video and it helped me to stay within the safe boundaries of carrying the gun with the 11 round flush mag and also carrying the spare 13 round mag for backup. Thanks for the video. New subscriber here.
I like the video, good info. I have the GX4 and found out Lakeline is coming out with threaded and a ported barrel for the GX4. That's what I'm looking forward to. Maybe a solid color towel over that camo countertop to see all the parts be a good idea.
I'm glad you liked the video. I have no experience with Lakeline LLC products beyond their 3D printed magazine parts. On that subject there is an update video on my channel covering the failure of those 3D printed parts. Here is a link to that: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html While there are no shortage of things that could improve the quality of these videos, I normally do use a little green cup towel for that very purpose, I just didn't have it handy that day. Thanks for watching!
I will pass on this extension. Not worth the trouble let alone the expense for 2 more rounds. Perfectly happy with my 13rd mag ordered from the Taurus Shop. Thanks Jay.
I’ll wait for the 25, then the 30, then the 40, the 50… Believe me, someone will make them. Pistol mags somehow turn into novelties with outrageous, unnecessary capacities. If you know your firearm you don’t need to carry a crate of ammo on you. Why do people believe the more rounds they can spray, the better their chances of coming out alive?
October 2022. I just bought a 13 round magazine for my new GX4 from Academy for $34. I didn't even know they carried them. I just went there to buy ammo. Christmas came early this year. Happy Hallowistmas.
Not worth it for 2 rounds. I think I'll just get pinky extensions for my factory mags and call it good. But very informative. Thanks for your time amd effort. Great video.
Not sure if you saw it or not, but they're is a follow up video on that extention showing catastrophic failure. Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
I appreciate you going through the trouble. Now we have enough info to make a decision on our own. Is having the extra 2 rounds worth the extra $70.00 or $140.00 if you want 2 mags with that same capacity. That being 30 rounds as opposed to 26. That extra 2 to 4 rounds with two mags can be the difference between life or death. To me it's always better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it in those critical situations. Or we can just buy another 13 round mag and keep that on our person as well if that's a cheaper option because now you have an additional 13 more rounds than just 4 at three quaters of the the price, because you have to factor in the cost of another mag holder as well. I have a Taurus G2c with a twelve round mag plus one chambered that's cocked and locked with safety on of course. And I normally keep 2 extra mags with me. That's 37 shots, including one in the chamber that my paranoia, over kill ass, hope I never have to use.
Thanks for sharing! Since the production of this video, Lakeline LLC has discontinued the 15rd extension. I believe this is due to some quality control issues. The specific one we purchased for this review later failed which we documented in this video: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
In my opinion it makes the pistol bigger and the grip disproportionally long. After all, it is a concealable pistol. I have the pinky extensions on both magazines and it is just enough to fit my digitus minimus manus perfectly. However, I’d use it to shoot at the range. Thank you.
Amen brother,just caught your channel and subscribed,been watching a couple of your videos on the GX4 and everything you've been saying about it is right on,I have one with both the 11 and 13 round mags and that's all I need for my satisfaction,and like you said that's a lot of money for a couple more rounds and a maxxed out magazine spring that's going to put a lot of pressure on the base plate and the follower.thx for a great video
I am actually waiting for a good quality 20round magazine for the range. These +2 round upgrades for avg of $25 aren't really doing it for me. A 20round is needed.
think i’ll pass on that…too much $ for “3d plastic” i got the factory pinky extension on one mag for edc & the factory 13rd extension on my other mag. couldn’t be happier with both. great review
Update December 2021: The Lakeline LLC 15 Round Magazine Extension FAILED after 3 weeks fully loaded. The 3D printed plastic just doesn't seem to be up to the task. Here's a link to the followup video. th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
Jay, my thing is it is a micro pistol that for all intentions is a stack and a half making it higher capacity than a single stack with only 6 to 8 rounds and provides 10 to 12 rounds in the same sized package maintaining excellent concealment. If someone believes they need to carry 15 or more rounds then choosing a firearm that supports such capacity from the factory is IMO the better choice. A factory magazine with a purpose designed follower, spring, and baseplate will most certainly decrease potential failures. Once you start adding extensions to micro magazines you are defeating the intended design purpose of ultra concealability because the only way to accommodate 15 rounds is to make the grip thicker like a M&P 2.0 15 round compact or extend the magazine like what the Lakeline baseplate does but now you have the grip length of a Full size 17 round duty pistol. Deep concealment comes at the trade off of capacity. If you look at the Glock 48 it is the same length grip and slide as the G19 only much thinner and it costs 5 rounds of capacity and to put a 5 round extension on it would be like putting a 25 round magazine in a G19 for a grip length, which is far from concealable. The only way I would consider an extended mag is as a back up should a person not want to carry between 2 and 4 extra magazines. My question now is why does anyone need to carry 30 to 40 rounds on them as part of their EDC? If you need that many rounds then I am going to assume you are involving yourself in endeavors that a law abiding citizen does not have any business being involved in, or that they need to spend more time at the range training to shoot under duress. I have a training routine that I use to mimic the conditions that a person would experience physically if facing a fight or flight life-threatening situation and I do slow accuracy and fundamentals training as well. I'll do some burpies, jumping Jack's, and run in place to get my heart rate up like a person's heart will beat when adrenaline from a confrontation then I will do draw from concealment double tap drills at 7 to 12 yards on a man target. I will also do these same type of drills while on the move because chances are if you are involved in a defensive use of a firearm you are not going to be standing still providing an easy target. I count my rounds as I shoot and then evaluate how many are flyers and how many I successfully put on target. Training frequently from concealment in both a relaxed and mimicked panic state ensures that when you draw it is an instinctively performed act. Repetition develops muscle memory that takes over even when we are not consciously focusing on what we are doing. It becomes autonomous like breathing or a reflex response such as a knee jerk during a medical exam. Having extra capacity serves no greater purpose if your proficiency shooting the firearm is weak. All it does is provide more missed shots and a greater chance of innocent bystanders or unintended targets being hit. I am a Forensic Psychology Grad student, which entails studying and researching all kinds of statistics, characteristics, patterns, time sequences, and so on. One statistic that I found very interesting was that in nearly 90 percent of all shooting events involving two armed participants the exchange's winner is usually determined by who gets off a second round first. Research has found that the first shot by either side is 9 times out of 10 a flyer due to the initial rush of adrenaline experienced during the nanosecond it takes for a person to either commit to the engagement or try to flee known as the Fight or Flight response. If the statistics show that it is the person who fires their second round first that is the victor and these are not suggested to be people who train regularly or anything like that; it suggests that firearm capacity is not nearly as important to actual defense as it is to providing an emotional sense of preparedness. Home defense is a different story IMO because you do not know how many are trying to gain entry an the footprint of the firearm is now a non-factor therefore a 30rnd fun-stick or 50rnd drum in a duty sized weapon is spot on. I carry the G3C with a single mag +1 in the chamber and that is it for my EDC. If I am going into areas where I know that imminent danger is elevated, I will carry spares. That being said, if I need more than 13 rounds on a daily then I am probably somewhere I had no business being and need to be more selective about what I am doing, where I am doing it, and the type of people I am associating with. Just saying.
@@rlmay87 not really. It is just one of those debates that I feel is somewhat redundant. I carried a 5 shot 357 J-frame snubnose revolver as an EDC for nearly a decade. I think the capacity thing is to a degree a negligible factor unless you are law enforcement or military. I also believe that while some modifications are worthwhile like sights, and possibly triggers; magazine mods are asking for malfunctions.
It is laughable at this point. The amount of effort they put into blocking content that doesn't lineup with their agenda is ridiculous! Thanks for watching!
Appreciate the video. At that price I cant justify it. I can get the 13 rounders for 30 so for 10 more than the extension, I could have two 13 round mags...
If it was a better fit meaning that the set screw was going into a threaded hole that it didn't require so much pressure to load because now I would be constantly scared sumthing was going to break it would be worth it but sense it's so crappy no . Thanks for saving me the cash .
Great point! Equipment manipulation practice is always a good idea. I'm actually working on a viewer feedback video for this right now Bob! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for watching! If you're thinking about ordering the Lakeline LLC extention you need to watch the followup video first! Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
So I've seen 2 different types of front sight screws on Taurus pistols with Glock style sights. It'll either have a small hole in the middle for a allen key/ hex wrench, or more commonly will have a screw with a flat hex shaped head that ideally requires a device known as a "Glock front sight tool" to remove/ reinstall correctly. Here's a link to one of those on Amazon: TRUGLO Front Sight Tool for Glocks (TG970GF) a.co/d/bF9Ge88 The allen key variety was of a metric persuasion if memory serves me. I think it was either a 1.27mm or 1.5mm. Regardless this set of wrenches from harbor freight would get it off of there: www.harborfreight.com/36-piece-sae-metric-hex-key-set-94725.html?campaignid=12192884362&adsetid=116489910905&product=94725&store=&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3ZayBhDRARIsAPWzx8qoHkCH2ZcMLPrGjoc6m9GnvKURf9gw8qt0K8N6Sf1NVXCFMC_9CaMaAhg4EALw_wcB Even if the factory sight is the allen key/ hex wrench style, you'll probably need the Glock tool to install the new one. Some sights come with the tool so maybe hold off on buying one until you have the new sights. The placement of the front sight screws in relation to the front of the slide cutout is so close you can't fit a conventional socket over it. You need the specialty tool. Don't forget to loc-tite!
What is the phenomenon called where we have an uncontrollable urge to increase the capacity of every gun we see? I'm guilty of it too. It's just weird. 11 rounds is awesome for such a small package. I'm learning that I prefer the 11,12,13 mags because I never have feed issues. The longer the spring...the higher the probability of failure (mostly). Anyway, I found a cure. With the concealability of these new micro-nines...I just carry two.
wouldnt be surprised if ShopTaurus starts carrying these, as they already have other Lakeline items on the site. side note... ShopTaurus shipped me the +2 and Spring just before Thanksgiving, but the website gives me a popup now saying the item cant be shipped to my state. emailed ShopTaurus about it weeks ago, and never got a reply...
To my knowledge, Lakeline LLC no longer offers the item at all. There were reliability issues that we discussed in a later video. I haven't seen them available in several months.
Thanks for watching! Here's a link to Part 2, and the ultimate failure of the Lakeline LLC 15 round extension: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
Great video Jay. I’m not a fan of how that extension looks. Plus I thought the idea behind the GX4 was conceal-ability. With the extension on the magazine you lose that.
I feel as though a 15 round magazine in the GX4 defeats the purpose of carrying that platform, albeit it does add a little versatility. Concerning comparing the GX4 trigger to the G3 trigger: Trigger on G3=trigger on G3C and I've already done a comparison of the GX4 and G3C. Here's a link to that video. th-cam.com/video/oNtOU5Omi-Y/w-d-xo.html
Could you make a video on bullet grains and the difference in them. I bought my first gun a Gx4 and I’m confused on bullet grain 115, 124, 135, and 147 for personal defense? How do I chose? Thanks for you great videos Jay
This is something that I've been needing to do! I will do it in the near future, promise! Supported by recent FBI data and what I've seen in the comments section I am convinced that there are quite a few people watching these and other videos like them that are new to the personal protection with a firearm world. For now, until I can get something put together video-wise..., understand that the numerical difference 115, 124, 147 etc... is specifically in regards to the weight/MASS of the projectile, and is NOT an amount of power designation, although, it is part of the power factor equation. As far as what to get for your pistol goes, for practice and training (which everybody needs) I would recommend something like: Winchester white box 115gr. FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) in caliber 9x19. For self defense, I'd recommend Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST or even the plain old Winchester white box JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point) marked "Personal Protection". I'd stick with 115gr or 124gr myself. IMPORTANT: The vast majority (but certainly not all) of what people refer to as 9mm and what you need for your pistol falls into the following list. Some brand boxes will say 9mm Luger, other will say 9mm PARA or Parabellum, others will say 9x19mm. These 3 are all the proper cartridge designation for the GX4. Though some may disagree, you can shoot 9mm NATO through it as well. A common mistake new shooters make is grabbing the wrong cartridge caliber for their gun. Avoid anything labeled 9x17, 9x18, 9mm Mak or Makarov, 9x21 etc... Thanks for watching!
Hi Jey just wanted to ask if your happy with the gx4 cause I’m buying a gx4 and xd9 subcompact and thinking passing on one of them was wondering how you feel about the gx4 any advice would be great
I have a factory Taurus 13 round magazine which is essentially the same as an 11 round mag with the +2 extension and longer spring sold by shoptaurus.com I have no complaints with it. Thanks for watching!
I know you said explicitly the 13 round mag. But if I purchased mag springs for the 13 rnd mag, would I be able to install the 15 rnd extension on an 11 rnd mag
I like more but even my 13 round takes away from what the pistol is?? Kinda clunky in my belly band and sticks out to far in my front or back pocket. Just my experience.
Nothing special, I normally use whatever is less expensive and readily available. I've actually shot EVERYTHING through this gun with zero problems. I guess Winchester white box is kinda the standard I use for range ammo.
@@shooters_world2909 +P doesn't necessarily mean more performance. Out of the shorter barrels +P sometimes just means bigger fireball. I think standard velocity 115gr JHP's are probably sufficient. If you happen to have +P the weapon is rated for them, but I advise to shoot several to get used to the increased recoil from the hotter rounds. Hope that helps.
I know this is no video unfortunately in my opinion I bought one send it back to Taurus three times and I would trust it to sell it to my worst enemy so I have upgraded to another manufacturer Point Blank so disappointed with Taurus as I know this is an older video but this is my update their customer service on the phone is okay but as far as then actually fixing the problem with the particular item I own still has the same problems after a thousand rounds failure to feed and still have to mess with it!!!!
Update December 2021: The Lakeline LLC 15 Round Magazine Extension FAILED after 3 weeks fully loaded. The 3D printed plastic just doesn't seem to be up to the task. Here's a link to the followup video. th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
I can't get my head wrapped around people buying a micro-compact gun then adding extensions that make it into something more like a compact size gun when there are better options, even from Taurus, in that size range. 🤔
It’s made FAR too cheaply with inferior materials in my opinion. Lake line needs to redesign to eliminate the sacrificial screw, which is probably it’s undoing.
Has anyone else had their factory gx4 11 round mag shoot all the ammo out the bottom? The cheap cover on the bottom popped off when I jammed the full mag into the gun... rendering the gun useless
I've heard a few folks complain about the Lakeline LLC baseplate doing that, but it hasn't before come up as an issue with the factory Mecgar baseplate. I've knocked baseplates loose before dropping them on hard surfaces. Is it possible the magazine was dropped on the ground during a magazine exchange before that happened?
@@JayLewisFarmStyle never, it was the second mag reload ever I only shot one mag before. its brand new. I contacted them and they sent me a new one but I think they're made cheaply you can see the bow in the plastic from pressure from the 11 rounds
I just took the one out of my pocket right now to look at it. There is a bow to the plastic from the tension of a fully loaded magazine. That being said, I've carried it with this flush fit magazine (keep in mind the other magazine has a pinky extension so I never use it) for months without issue. Hopefully there was a flaw in yours and it will be an isolated issue.
@@JayLewisFarmStyle yeah I hope so but that bow just shows it's not made very sturdy and is sad bc they're trying to compete with guns 2x their price and they can if they don't let little things like this slide
Imo..the 13rd mag is just fine, i don't think it's worth the money just to get 2 extra rounds..i feel.if you can't get it done with 14 then you need to hit the range, lol
Well my gun and extra mag I ordered will be here tomorrow the mag got in early was supposed to be here Saturday but no complaints can’t wait to get um both, starting to warm back up here in Texas and I like taking walks in the evening when it’s not so hot and this pistol will be a perfect companion lol
@@jackwilson2910 if you haven't purchased a holster yet, I highly recommend this one: www.amazon.com/dp/B097VYCRSY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_i_D0DM5ARCPYW73AFSS3H8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Don't understand the obsession with extending magazines. Want 15 rounds? Buy a compact sized gun with factory 15 round magazines. Don't know if you measured yours, but I bet the grip is longer than a G19 or M&P compact. If a person is doing it to get a three finger grip on the gun, they need to be doing some more practicing with the flush fit mags and learn how to shoot with a two finger grip. It's only 9mm. I shoot as well with two fingers as three, and 10-11 rounds are plenty for EDC. Put another mag in your pocket if you think you are going to war. If twelve rounds don't get you out, it's not likely that having four more in the magazine would do you any good. This is a self defense gun, not a duty or hunting pistol.
Update December 2021:
The Lakeline LLC 15 Round Magazine Extension FAILED after 3 weeks fully loaded. The 3D printed plastic just doesn't seem to be up to the task. Here's a link to the followup video. th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
Good looking I was just looking at those
@kialynsmith8146 The fun is awesome. If you want a 15 round magazine get a factory GX4 CARRY magazine. The Lakeline extension did not do well in the long run.
First to check out this video. Thanks for taking the plunge on the 15 rounder but I’m going to stick with my 13 round magazine and the 11 round magazines. Just got my Taurus GX4 back from Taurus as I had a dead trigger issue they had to resolve. They installed a new trigger assembly. I’m looking forward to getting it back out to the range this weekend. Can’t say I was excited about having to send my new GX4 to Taurus for repair but they turned it around super fast. It only took 2 weeks to repair so kudos to Taurus on their customer service out of Bainbridge GA! Expecting no issues going forward. 🤞
Good plan, the 15 round mag is less than ideal. Glad you got your gun back, hope there's no issues for you going forward.
I bought a GX4 when they first came out. Mine arrived with a dead trigger. I was pretty angry. I even made a TH-cam video showing how the trigger did not work. I didn’t want other people who had a similar dead trigger to think that they were alone. It turns out that there were a couple of other videos about the same problem by other people already.
I called Taurus and shipped it back at their expense, they replaced the trigger assembly, and sent it back in less than a week and a half. It works perfectly fine now and I am happy. But boy was I pissed off that I had to send in my brand new gun one day after I got it. Good luck to you and I hope your repaired pistol meets your expectations.
Sometimes you just have to accept that concealability is worth a couple of rounds.
This Gx4 is outstanding with its 11 round mag. The 13 is just gravy.
It is amazing how well it shoots for a micro too. Even I can hit the target!
Thanks for sharing!
My secondary magazine needs to be 13 rounds or 15, because since the mag is so short, it's hard to take out of it's holster. Also, if I ever needed a second mag, I would like for it to be higher capacity.
I've bought TONS of stuff from Lakeline. Never once had an issue and ALWAYS ALWAYS receive items within days...
Lakeline is a CHAMP!!
Thanks for sharing.
By the way, we did a followup on this product after it experienced a catastrophic failure.
Lakeline removed the 15 round extended baseplate from their website shortly after this video was made.
Great video. Very informative. My opinion is that a Micro compact pistol has a specific purpose. 11 or 13 rounds in a small footprint is good enough for me. I think 15 rounds kind of defeats the purpose and I've never been one to carry a Non-OEM factory magazine when being used for self defense. I would only use Taurus parts if I was going to protect my life with it. So, I'm glad you did the video and it helped me to stay within the safe boundaries of carrying the gun with the 11 round flush mag and also carrying the spare 13 round mag for backup. Thanks for the video. New subscriber here.
I like the video, good info. I have the GX4 and found out Lakeline is coming out with threaded and a ported barrel for the GX4. That's what I'm looking forward to. Maybe a solid color towel over that camo countertop to see all the parts be a good idea.
I'm glad you liked the video. I have no experience with Lakeline LLC products beyond their 3D printed magazine parts. On that subject there is an update video on my channel covering the failure of those 3D printed parts. Here is a link to that: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
While there are no shortage of things that could improve the quality of these videos, I normally do use a little green cup towel for that very purpose, I just didn't have it handy that day.
Thanks for watching!
I will pass on this extension. Not worth the trouble let alone the expense for 2 more rounds.
Perfectly happy with my 13rd mag ordered from the Taurus Shop.
Thanks Jay.
Thanks for watching!
I’ll wait for the 25, then the 30, then the 40, the 50…
Believe me, someone will make them. Pistol mags somehow turn into novelties with outrageous, unnecessary capacities. If you know your firearm you don’t need to carry a crate of ammo on you. Why do people believe the more rounds they can spray, the better their chances of coming out alive?
Agreed. The principal of a small discreet carry weapon is somehow lost in this line of reasoning.
Thanks for watching!
I’m still waiting for them
October 2022. I just bought a 13 round magazine for my new GX4 from Academy for $34. I didn't even know they carried them. I just went there to buy ammo. Christmas came early this year. Happy Hallowistmas.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Not worth it for 2 rounds. I think I'll just get pinky extensions for my factory mags and call it good. But very informative. Thanks for your time amd effort. Great video.
Not sure if you saw it or not, but they're is a follow up video on that extention showing catastrophic failure.
Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
@@JayLewisFarmStyle I did see that. I think they need to reengineer that product.
Taurus does make a 15 rd magazine for the GX4 Carry. Those magazines will fit the regular GX4 pistol check them out.
You're 100% correct.
Bear in mind this video is over 2 years old.
Thanks for watching 👍
Thanks for the video, I was eyeing the extension for a while. Think I'll just stick with a 13 for now and hope Taurus launches a 15 themselves.
Good plan!
I appreciate you going through the trouble. Now we have enough info to make a decision on our own. Is having the extra 2 rounds worth the extra $70.00 or $140.00 if you want 2 mags with that same capacity. That being 30 rounds as opposed to 26. That extra 2 to 4 rounds with two mags can be the difference between life or death. To me it's always better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it in those critical situations. Or we can just buy another 13 round mag and keep that on our person as well if that's a cheaper option because now you have an additional 13 more rounds than just 4 at three quaters of the the price, because you have to factor in the cost of another mag holder as well. I have a Taurus G2c with a twelve round mag plus one chambered that's cocked and locked with safety on of course. And I normally keep 2 extra mags with me. That's 37 shots, including one in the chamber that my paranoia, over kill ass, hope I never have to use.
Thanks for sharing!
Since the production of this video, Lakeline LLC has discontinued the 15rd extension. I believe this is due to some quality control issues.
The specific one we purchased for this review later failed which we documented in this video: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
In my opinion it makes the pistol bigger and the grip disproportionally long. After all, it is a concealable pistol. I have the pinky extensions on both magazines and it is just enough to fit my digitus minimus manus perfectly. However, I’d use it to shoot at the range. Thank you.
Agreed 👍
If you buy the TORO model GX4 it comes with one 11rd and one 13rd mag.
Thanks for watching 👍
Mr. Lewis I realize I’m late to the party, but thank you for this video for us who are tardy. 👍🏿
Thanks for watching Trey 👍
Concerning 15 round magazines for the GX4... probably the best bet is the factory GX4 Carry magazine.
Amen brother,just caught your channel and subscribed,been watching a couple of your videos on the GX4 and everything you've been saying about it is right on,I have one with both the 11 and 13 round mags and that's all I need for my satisfaction,and like you said that's a lot of money for a couple more rounds and a maxxed out magazine spring that's going to put a lot of pressure on the base plate and the follower.thx for a great video
Thanks for watching!
I am actually waiting for a good quality 20round magazine for the range. These +2 round upgrades for avg of $25 aren't really doing it for me. A 20round is needed.
Someone may eventually make one, but a couple of factory 13 rounders would probably cost less, and do the trick for range sessions.
Great video! Hard pass on this item, I'll go for the 13 rd. The compensated barrel looks like a winner though.
We did a follow up video later. The Lakeline extension failed prematurely. The factory 13 rounders are good 👍
think i’ll pass on that…too much $ for “3d plastic”
i got the factory pinky extension on one mag for edc & the factory 13rd extension on my other mag.
couldn’t be happier with both.
great review
You can soak those tools in Evap O Rust over night the clean with Acetone and use Birchwood Casey cold blue to revive them.
I may eventually get around to doing something with them!
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for looking into this for the rest of us!
That's why I done it!
Thanks for watching!
Been thinking about replacing my old g43 with the Toro gx4. This extension makes it even more tempting
Update December 2021:
The Lakeline LLC 15 Round Magazine Extension FAILED after 3 weeks fully loaded. The 3D printed plastic just doesn't seem to be up to the task. Here's a link to the followup video. th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
Just get the z9 shield mag
very informative, and I agree with your assessment. I like the 13-round mag, I guess that will just have to be sufficient.
Thanks for sharing!
Yeah 13 n 1 n the chamber 14🤗
Jay, my thing is it is a micro pistol that for all intentions is a stack and a half making it higher capacity than a single stack with only 6 to 8 rounds and provides 10 to 12 rounds in the same sized package maintaining excellent concealment. If someone believes they need to carry 15 or more rounds then choosing a firearm that supports such capacity from the factory is IMO the better choice.
A factory magazine with a purpose designed follower, spring, and baseplate will most certainly decrease potential failures. Once you start adding extensions to micro magazines you are defeating the intended design purpose of ultra concealability because the only way to accommodate 15 rounds is to make the grip thicker like a M&P 2.0 15 round compact or extend the magazine like what the Lakeline baseplate does but now you have the grip length of a Full size 17 round duty pistol.
Deep concealment comes at the trade off of capacity. If you look at the Glock 48 it is the same length grip and slide as the G19 only much thinner and it costs 5 rounds of capacity and to put a 5 round extension on it would be like putting a 25 round magazine in a G19 for a grip length, which is far from concealable.
The only way I would consider an extended mag is as a back up should a person not want to carry between 2 and 4 extra magazines. My question now is why does anyone need to carry 30 to 40 rounds on them as part of their EDC? If you need that many rounds then I am going to assume you are involving yourself in endeavors that a law abiding citizen does not have any business being involved in, or that they need to spend more time at the range training to shoot under duress.
I have a training routine that I use to mimic the conditions that a person would experience physically if facing a fight or flight life-threatening situation and I do slow accuracy and fundamentals training as well. I'll do some burpies, jumping Jack's, and run in place to get my heart rate up like a person's heart will beat when adrenaline from a confrontation then I will do draw from concealment double tap drills at 7 to 12 yards on a man target. I will also do these same type of drills while on the move because chances are if you are involved in a defensive use of a firearm you are not going to be standing still providing an easy target. I count my rounds as I shoot and then evaluate how many are flyers and how many I successfully put on target.
Training frequently from concealment in both a relaxed and mimicked panic state ensures that when you draw it is an instinctively performed act. Repetition develops muscle memory that takes over even when we are not consciously focusing on what we are doing. It becomes autonomous like breathing or a reflex response such as a knee jerk during a medical exam.
Having extra capacity serves no greater purpose if your proficiency shooting the firearm is weak. All it does is provide more missed shots and a greater chance of innocent bystanders or unintended targets being hit.
I am a Forensic Psychology Grad student, which entails studying and researching all kinds of statistics, characteristics, patterns, time sequences, and so on. One statistic that I found very interesting was that in nearly 90 percent of all shooting events involving two armed participants the exchange's winner is usually determined by who gets off a second round first. Research has found that the first shot by either side is 9 times out of 10 a flyer due to the initial rush of adrenaline experienced during the nanosecond it takes for a person to either commit to the engagement or try to flee known as the Fight or Flight response. If the statistics show that it is the person who fires their second round first that is the victor and these are not suggested to be people who train regularly or anything like that; it suggests that firearm capacity is not nearly as important to actual defense as it is to providing an emotional sense of preparedness. Home defense is a different story IMO because you do not know how many are trying to gain entry an the footprint of the firearm is now a non-factor therefore a 30rnd fun-stick or 50rnd drum in a duty sized weapon is spot on. I carry the G3C with a single mag +1 in the chamber and that is it for my EDC. If I am going into areas where I know that imminent danger is elevated, I will carry spares. That being said, if I need more than 13 rounds on a daily then I am probably somewhere I had no business being and need to be more selective about what I am doing, where I am doing it, and the type of people I am associating with. Just saying.
Well said, thanks for sharing. I'll try to include some of those pointers in an upcoming production
Jesus, man…feel better after getting all that out? 🙄
@@rlmay87 not really. It is just one of those debates that I feel is somewhat redundant. I carried a 5 shot 357 J-frame snubnose revolver as an EDC for nearly a decade. I think the capacity thing is to a degree a negligible factor unless you are law enforcement or military. I also believe that while some modifications are worthwhile like sights, and possibly triggers; magazine mods are asking for malfunctions.
That confirms I'll stick with the Lakeline 11rd extension. Thanks for effort!
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very informational ordered a new off-duty carry..... speaking of algorithm it won't let me hit the like button 🤔👍👍
It is laughable at this point. The amount of effort they put into blocking content that doesn't lineup with their agenda is ridiculous!
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Great video. Will just stick to the 11rd with the Lakeline pinky extension and a standard 13rd mag
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What ammo are you using for shooting practice ?
@@shooters_world2909 I shoot a variety of 115gr FMJ. I guess I'd say Winchester White box is probably the baseline around here.
@@JayLewisFarmStyle true that’s what I was doing but apparently it says we should be shooting +p ammunition is that correct ?
Appreciate the video. At that price I cant justify it. I can get the 13 rounders for 30 so for 10 more than the extension, I could have two 13 round mags...
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Now you can do an update video due to the new gx4 carry coming with a 15 rd mag that will fit into the gx4
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I agree with you it’s not worth the money just to get two extra bullets in the magazine
Wow, I never had an issue with Lake line! That was a couple years ago.
I've heard good things about their other products. It's the 3D printed stuff that seems questionable.
If it was a better fit meaning that the set screw was going into a threaded hole that it didn't require so much pressure to load because now I would be constantly scared sumthing was going to break it would be worth it but sense it's so crappy no . Thanks for saving me the cash .
We have a part 2 video showing the catastrophic failure.
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@@JayLewisFarmStyle yes I saw it directly after thank you.
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Love the GX4.
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As always a great video Ty
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The magazine extension later failed.
Here's a link: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
Guess I'll stick with the two 11-round mags and get real good at switching mags quickly. Bigger ain't always better.
Great point! Equipment manipulation practice is always a good idea. I'm actually working on a viewer feedback video for this right now Bob!
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Lets goo 🙌 glad people like this thing
It died after 3 weeks. Check out the followup video.
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Yes sir" appreciate the video..
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Thank you for the video and the information.
Thanks for watching! If you're thinking about ordering the Lakeline LLC extention you need to watch the followup video first! Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
Jay, what size allen wrernch, or what kind of site tool, do you use on the front site of the gx4?
So I've seen 2 different types of front sight screws on Taurus pistols with Glock style sights. It'll either have a small hole in the middle for a allen key/ hex wrench, or more commonly will have a screw with a flat hex shaped head that ideally requires a device known as a "Glock front sight tool" to remove/ reinstall correctly. Here's a link to one of those on Amazon:
TRUGLO Front Sight Tool for Glocks (TG970GF) a.co/d/bF9Ge88
The allen key variety was of a metric persuasion if memory serves me. I think it was either a 1.27mm or 1.5mm. Regardless this set of wrenches from harbor freight would get it off of there: www.harborfreight.com/36-piece-sae-metric-hex-key-set-94725.html?campaignid=12192884362&adsetid=116489910905&product=94725&store=&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw3ZayBhDRARIsAPWzx8qoHkCH2ZcMLPrGjoc6m9GnvKURf9gw8qt0K8N6Sf1NVXCFMC_9CaMaAhg4EALw_wcB
Even if the factory sight is the allen key/ hex wrench style, you'll probably need the Glock tool to install the new one. Some sights come with the tool so maybe hold off on buying one until you have the new sights.
The placement of the front sight screws in relation to the front of the slide cutout is so close you can't fit a conventional socket over it. You need the specialty tool.
Don't forget to loc-tite!
I got 2 finger extension from lakeline they lasted 2 weeks till they bent off from the sides
I have one that so far has held up, but I'm no fan of making tactical gear from 3D printers.
I counted 16 rounds fired. Maybe it was tight because you loaded 1 extra?
You counted 16 because there were 16 fired. 1 in the chamber plus 15 in the 15 round magazine.
What is the phenomenon called where we have an uncontrollable urge to increase the capacity of every gun we see? I'm guilty of it too. It's just weird. 11 rounds is awesome for such a small package.
I'm learning that I prefer the 11,12,13 mags because I never have feed issues. The longer the spring...the higher the probability of failure (mostly).
Anyway, I found a cure. With the concealability of these new micro-nines...I just carry two.
Thanks for sharing!
wouldnt be surprised if ShopTaurus starts carrying these, as they already have other Lakeline items on the site.
side note... ShopTaurus shipped me the +2 and Spring just before Thanksgiving, but the website gives me a popup now saying the item cant be shipped to my state.
emailed ShopTaurus about it weeks ago, and never got a reply...
To my knowledge, Lakeline LLC no longer offers the item at all. There were reliability issues that we discussed in a later video. I haven't seen them available in several months.
Good info, thanks!!
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Here's a link to Part 2, and the ultimate failure of the Lakeline LLC 15 round extension: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
Great video Jay. I’m not a fan of how that extension looks. Plus I thought the idea behind the GX4 was conceal-ability. With the extension on the magazine you lose that.
That's exactly my opinion of it.
I would carry it with the flat 11 round base plate and carry the 15 round mag as a backup.
Great video! I definitely think the cost is too high for an extra two rounds. That being said nice shirt!
Agreed on the prohibitive cost. Shirt is probably older than some of the viewers of this channel.
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If you are going through all of this, “why’ not just buy the G3’s? Can you compare the trigger of both as that seems to be only difference?
I feel as though a 15 round magazine in the GX4 defeats the purpose of carrying that platform, albeit it does add a little versatility.
Concerning comparing the GX4 trigger to the G3 trigger:
Trigger on G3=trigger on G3C and I've already done a comparison of the GX4 and G3C.
Here's a link to that video.
th-cam.com/video/oNtOU5Omi-Y/w-d-xo.html
@@JayLewisFarmStyle What about the G3X
Great video bro. Have a good night.
Thanks bro!
Great video but stay with the 13 rounds magazine maybe in the future I due
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Very helpful
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Could you make a video on bullet grains and the difference in them. I bought my first gun a Gx4 and I’m confused on bullet grain 115, 124, 135, and 147 for personal defense? How do I chose? Thanks for you great videos Jay
This is something that I've been needing to do! I will do it in the near future, promise!
Supported by recent FBI data and what I've seen in the comments section I am convinced that there are quite a few people watching these and other videos like them that are new to the personal protection with a firearm world.
For now, until I can get something put together video-wise..., understand that the numerical difference 115, 124, 147 etc... is specifically in regards to the weight/MASS of the projectile, and is NOT an amount of power designation, although, it is part of the power factor equation.
As far as what to get for your pistol goes, for practice and training (which everybody needs) I would recommend something like: Winchester white box 115gr. FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) in caliber 9x19.
For self defense, I'd recommend Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST or even the plain old Winchester white box JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point) marked "Personal Protection". I'd stick with 115gr or 124gr myself.
IMPORTANT: The vast majority (but certainly not all) of what people refer to as 9mm and what you need for your pistol falls into the following list. Some brand boxes will say 9mm Luger, other will say 9mm PARA or Parabellum, others will say 9x19mm. These 3 are all the proper cartridge designation for the GX4. Though some may disagree, you can shoot 9mm NATO through it as well.
A common mistake new shooters make is grabbing the wrong cartridge caliber for their gun. Avoid anything labeled 9x17, 9x18, 9mm Mak or Makarov, 9x21 etc...
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@@JayLewisFarmStyle thank you so much for your knowledge. I have learn so much as a new gun owner by watching your videos… Thanks again
@@djr0975 Anytime brother!
Hi Jey just wanted to ask if your happy with the gx4 cause I’m buying a gx4 and xd9 subcompact and thinking passing on one of them was wondering how you feel about the gx4 any advice would be great
I really like mine.
your right
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I think you'll find part 2 interesting. Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
Great video.
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Good video.
Glade I watched your video, that part is a piece of junk!!
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Once you extend the grip to the length of a full size pistol you might as well carry a full size pistol with more barrel length and sight radius.
Agreed. I think it's an impractical setup for this type of weapon.
@@JayLewisFarmStyle, I honestly prefer the 11 round mags with the Lakeline pinky extensions.
@@BazonBlades I prefer the flush 11 round mags as maximum concealment is my goal when carrying the GX4 or P365.
Should've came with an allen key. Have u tried the +2 extension feom taurus? I think it makes the 11rd mag 13
I have a factory Taurus 13 round magazine which is essentially the same as an 11 round mag with the +2 extension and longer spring sold by shoptaurus.com
I have no complaints with it.
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Nice, very nice. Subscribed bro.
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Nice video 🤟🏾💯
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I know you said explicitly the 13 round mag. But if I purchased mag springs for the 13 rnd mag, would I be able to install the 15 rnd extension on an 11 rnd mag
So long as you had the longer magazine spring yes.
@@JayLewisFarmStyle Thank you, I appreciate your review, very concise!
@@DirtyDan4659 no problem, thanks for watching!
I like more but even my 13 round takes away from what the pistol is?? Kinda clunky in my belly band and sticks out to far in my front or back pocket. Just my experience.
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Wow I just sold mine because so couldn’t do anything after market
What did you replace it with?
What ammo are you running through that for shooting practice .
Nothing special, I normally use whatever is less expensive and readily available. I've actually shot EVERYTHING through this gun with zero problems. I guess Winchester white box is kinda the standard I use for range ammo.
@@JayLewisFarmStyle I’m guessing +p ammo just for self defense ? That’s my only confusion.
@@shooters_world2909 +P doesn't necessarily mean more performance. Out of the shorter barrels +P sometimes just means bigger fireball. I think standard velocity 115gr JHP's are probably sufficient. If you happen to have +P the weapon is rated for them, but I advise to shoot several to get used to the increased recoil from the hotter rounds.
Hope that helps.
@@JayLewisFarmStyle yes thank you
I know this is no video unfortunately in my opinion I bought one send it back to Taurus three times and I would trust it to sell it to my worst enemy so I have upgraded to another manufacturer Point Blank so disappointed with Taurus as I know this is an older video but this is my update their customer service on the phone is okay but as far as then actually fixing the problem with the particular item I own still has the same problems after a thousand rounds failure to feed and still have to mess with it!!!!
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Nice!!
I hope you saw the update in the comment section. The baseplate failed miserably after 3 weeks.
Ima just go head and say it! Taurus is as good as a Glock.
Update December 2021:
The Lakeline LLC 15 Round Magazine Extension FAILED after 3 weeks fully loaded. The 3D printed plastic just doesn't seem to be up to the task. Here's a link to the followup video. th-cam.com/video/xaBECHUFZYo/w-d-xo.html
You have link buy item?
See the pinned comment.
I got my extension from Taurus.
You're better off for it.
The Lakeline extension failed a few months after that video was made. They have since pulled it from their product line.
Thanks JL. Great job. Good info. I will be ordering one of those because…..well….you know …… 15rds. : ( God bless.
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If you are patient, I know a guy that's going to give a slightly used one away in an upcoming video... stay tuned, and LET'S GO BRANDON!
I can't get my head wrapped around people buying a micro-compact gun then adding extensions that make it into something more like a compact size gun when there are better options, even from Taurus, in that size range. 🤔
Agreed indeed.
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Not worth it for 2 more rounds jus keep the factory 13 ... But now Taurus has the 15 factory mag
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I need gx4 13 rod magazine
Shoptaurus has them
It’s made FAR too cheaply with inferior materials in my opinion. Lake line needs to redesign to eliminate the sacrificial screw, which is probably it’s undoing.
I'm not a fan of 3D printing in tactical applications.
Has anyone else had their factory gx4 11 round mag shoot all the ammo out the bottom? The cheap cover on the bottom popped off when I jammed the full mag into the gun... rendering the gun useless
I've heard a few folks complain about the Lakeline LLC baseplate doing that, but it hasn't before come up as an issue with the factory Mecgar baseplate.
I've knocked baseplates loose before dropping them on hard surfaces.
Is it possible the magazine was dropped on the ground during a magazine exchange before that happened?
@@JayLewisFarmStyle never, it was the second mag reload ever I only shot one mag before. its brand new. I contacted them and they sent me a new one but I think they're made cheaply you can see the bow in the plastic from pressure from the 11 rounds
I just took the one out of my pocket right now to look at it. There is a bow to the plastic from the tension of a fully loaded magazine. That being said, I've carried it with this flush fit magazine (keep in mind the other magazine has a pinky extension so I never use it) for months without issue. Hopefully there was a flaw in yours and it will be an isolated issue.
@@JayLewisFarmStyle yeah I hope so but that bow just shows it's not made very sturdy and is sad bc they're trying to compete with guns 2x their price and they can if they don't let little things like this slide
Hopefully they'll make that happen.
Imo..the 13rd mag is just fine, i don't think it's worth the money just to get 2 extra rounds..i feel.if you can't get it done with 14 then you need to hit the range, lol
Agreed. Also the Lakeline LLC 15 round extension suffered a catastrophic failure after being left fully loaded for a few weeks.
@@JayLewisFarmStyle wow, that sucks
Well my gun and extra mag I ordered will be here tomorrow the mag got in early was supposed to be here Saturday but no complaints can’t wait to get um both, starting to warm back up here in Texas and I like taking walks in the evening when it’s not so hot and this pistol will be a perfect companion lol
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@@JayLewisFarmStyle Sweet ok thx i sure will!
Don't understand the obsession with extending magazines. Want 15 rounds? Buy a compact sized gun with factory 15 round magazines. Don't know if you measured yours, but I bet the grip is longer than a G19 or M&P compact. If a person is doing it to get a three finger grip on the gun, they need to be doing some more practicing with the flush fit mags and learn how to shoot with a two finger grip. It's only 9mm. I shoot as well with two fingers as three, and 10-11 rounds are plenty for EDC. Put another mag in your pocket if you think you are going to war. If twelve rounds don't get you out, it's not likely that having four more in the magazine would do you any good. This is a self defense gun, not a duty or hunting pistol.
Agreed 100%!
Just buy another magz
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Not worth the upgrade for the cost, thx.
Agreed, it also failed after this video was released. There is an update video if you want to see what happened to it.
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Stick with 13rd
Agreed!
Extended mags defeats the purpose of cc ability 8f a micro pistol! extended Mag so stupid
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Definitely not worth it. 13 plus one in the pipe is enough. If you cant get it done with that then hang it up.
Not to mention it defeats the purpose of carrying such a small gun.
@@JayLewisFarmStyle yup!
mag looks terrible. too big for only 4 more rounds.
Hideous looks aside, it failed miserably in the longevity department. We have a second video showing the catastrophic failure.
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To much for to little!
Completely!
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