Paint and striping may not make cycling safer, but it definitely encourages more people to ride. The vehicular cycling approach makes sense when there are not any dedicated facilities, but it is not the ideal and we shouldn't see it as the final answer. Look at Copenhagen and Amsterdam, where there are dedicated bike facilities galore and you have close to half of the population riding bikes.
yeah.... Im still going to keep avoiding the 1st ave bike lanes downtown. If someone opens their door, you don't have anywhere to go. Not to mention the people who park in them all the time or the pedestrians who think of the bike lane as a second sidewalk. I'll take my chances in traffic, honk all you want.
I'm a biker that lives in North Minneapolis and people don't know how to drive around bikers... It's a shame black people. And yes I'm Black , So I can say that.
brhino42, Amsterdam population 743,000; 25% of all trips by bike; cycling fatalities 6-7 per year. New York population 8,244,910; .6% of all trips by bike; cycling fatalaties 21 per year. And that's not counting the number of pedestrians killed by cars. Amsterdam residents substitute biking for DRIVING and parking in traffic. As bike use went up, car use and congestion went down. I don't think that computes to Amsterdam being much more dangerous. Facts not propaganda.
People can be taught to ride in traffic, they just don't want to. It's not a pleasant experience, so why should they? Anyone who thinks bikes & motor vehicles should mix has never ridden in a country with high quality separated bike paths. I agree this is a massive fail, but the solution here is to separate more not less. This is the only proven way to encourage non fred mass cycle use. Vehicular cyclists have had their chance to change things & failed miserably. Move along now your time is up.
You know what I find disturbing about your comment? The nit picking that seems to come with any discussion involving a "vehicular cyclist". To a great many people vehicular cycling implies riding among cars and so they assume you aren't a vehicular cyclist if you are in a lane. The author was in no way saying you didn't need to obey the rules of the road. If anything the vehicular cycling mantra needs to be dialed down a bit and deal with smart cycling no matter where you might ride.
Yeah and there was no cars parked in the bike lanes, driving in the bike lanes, crossing solid white lines, no cars doing rolling stops, no cars speeding.
I could not disagree more. Encouraging an activity without educating the participants is foolish. Believing that painting and striping makes cycling safer is foolish and dangerous. Consider Amsterdam: people ride an average of 1 to 2 miles per day at a rate of 7 to 8 mph. They substitute biking for walking the way Americans drive cars instead of riding bikes: to get less exercise. But despite being slow, biking in Amsterdam is more dangerous than biking in NYC. See past the propaganda.
What I find most disturbing about your comment is the idea that vehicular cycling is optional. Do you mean that when paint and pavement have been dedicated specifically dedicated to cyclists, they no longer have an obligation to obey the law or act like drivers of vehicles? That's whack. I mean, very telling point of view. And precisely the reason we need more bicycling education and fewer bike lanes.
Door-zone bike lanes = unsafe. Every person shown in this video is riding in the door-zone. This is considered "easier?" Have we have checked our brains at the door-zone? Sad. And the green lanes? Are on the right-hand side of right-turning traffic. Again, sad, stupid, mindless dependence on paint to think for us. STAY out of the buffer zone. Heaven forbid vehicles of different types should mix. Massive Phail, Minneapolis. Are you afraid people can't be taught to ride in traffic?
Paint and striping may not make cycling safer, but it definitely encourages more people to ride. The vehicular cycling approach makes sense when there are not any dedicated facilities, but it is not the ideal and we shouldn't see it as the final answer. Look at Copenhagen and Amsterdam, where there are dedicated bike facilities galore and you have close to half of the population riding bikes.
yeah.... Im still going to keep avoiding the 1st ave bike lanes downtown. If someone opens their door, you don't have anywhere to go. Not to mention the people who park in them all the time or the pedestrians who think of the bike lane as a second sidewalk. I'll take my chances in traffic, honk all you want.
I'm a biker that lives in North Minneapolis and people don't know how to drive around bikers...
It's a shame black people. And yes I'm Black , So I can say that.
How is life in Minneapolis now after the riots?
the people deserve a modern take of this noise
who did the voiceover for this?
That lady at the PTA meeting and the woman who brings tater tot hot dish to your neighborhood potluck.
brhino42,
Amsterdam population 743,000; 25% of all trips by bike; cycling fatalities 6-7 per year.
New York population 8,244,910; .6% of all trips by bike; cycling fatalaties 21 per year.
And that's not counting the number of pedestrians killed by cars.
Amsterdam residents substitute biking for DRIVING and parking in traffic.
As bike use went up, car use and congestion went down.
I don't think that computes to Amsterdam being much more dangerous.
Facts not propaganda.
the embed code is incorrect. I get E.J. Henderson Tackles Illegal Guns. Please fix!!
My guess is Aristea Brady from WCCO.
People can be taught to ride in traffic, they just don't want to. It's not a pleasant experience, so why should they? Anyone who thinks bikes & motor vehicles should mix has never ridden in a country with high quality separated bike paths.
I agree this is a massive fail, but the solution here is to separate more not less. This is the only proven way to encourage non fred mass cycle use.
Vehicular cyclists have had their chance to change things & failed miserably. Move along now your time is up.
Es posible poner subtitulos en español, para poder compartir estas imagenes, o reproducir el video en español, para los latinos, por favor.
Doesn't this just make you annoying. I've read the book.
Hey, about that guy on 15th...may want to have a legal hand signal in an official video. LEFT arm, not right.
You know what I find disturbing about your comment? The nit picking that seems to come with any discussion involving a "vehicular cyclist". To a great many people vehicular cycling implies riding among cars and so they assume you aren't a vehicular cyclist if you are in a lane. The author was in no way saying you didn't need to obey the rules of the road. If anything the vehicular cycling mantra needs to be dialed down a bit and deal with smart cycling no matter where you might ride.
Beep Beep get the hell outta my way!
That can't really be Minneapolis. They didn't show a single bike blowing through a red light or stop sign!
Yeah and there was no cars parked in the bike lanes, driving in the bike lanes, crossing solid white lines, no cars doing rolling stops, no cars speeding.
They almost did at 1:37. The biker who zagged to the right to go around another rider. He was going for it.
I could not disagree more. Encouraging an activity without educating the participants is foolish. Believing that painting and striping makes cycling safer is foolish and dangerous. Consider Amsterdam: people ride an average of 1 to 2 miles per day at a rate of 7 to 8 mph. They substitute biking for walking the way Americans drive cars instead of riding bikes: to get less exercise. But despite being slow, biking in Amsterdam is more dangerous than biking in NYC. See past the propaganda.
What I find most disturbing about your comment is the idea that vehicular cycling is optional. Do you mean that when paint and pavement have been dedicated specifically dedicated to cyclists, they no longer have an obligation to obey the law or act like drivers of vehicles? That's whack. I mean, very telling point of view. And precisely the reason we need more bicycling education and fewer bike lanes.
Door-zone bike lanes = unsafe. Every person shown in this video is riding in the door-zone. This is considered "easier?" Have we have checked our brains at the door-zone? Sad.
And the green lanes? Are on the right-hand side of right-turning traffic. Again, sad, stupid, mindless dependence on paint to think for us. STAY out of the buffer zone. Heaven forbid vehicles of different types should mix.
Massive Phail, Minneapolis. Are you afraid people can't be taught to ride in traffic?