UK-EU Relations Past, Present and Future
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ม.ค. 2023
- Marking 3 years since the UK's withdrawal from the European Union, and 50 years since its accession to the European Economic Community, UK in a Changing Europe will bring together leading authorities to discuss the UK/EU relationship. Panellists include former EU Commissioners, journalists, academics, and politicians.
The event will also mark the launch of a major report on the potential future development of the UK-EU relationship.
Agenda
2:00 pm
Panel 1 - Panel 1: Looking back on the UK/EU Relationship
Chair: Catherine Barnard, Professor of EU law and Employment Law at Cambridge University, and Senior Fellow at UK in a Changing Europe
Catherine Ashton, Baroness Ashton of Upholland, former High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy and former First Vice President of the European Commission
Sir Jonathan Faull, former senior official at the EU Commission
Jonathan Hill, Baron Hill of Oareford, Former EU Commissioner
Neil Kinnock, Baron Kinnock, Former EU Commissioner
BREAK 3:15 pm - 3:45 pm
Panel 2 - In prospective: what's next for the UK/EU relationship
Chair: Anand Menon, Professor of European Politics and Foreign Affairs at King's College, and Director of UK in a Changing Europe
Jennifer Rankin, Brussels correspondent for the Guardian
Sophie Stowers, Researcher at UK in a Changing Europe, co-author of the UKICE report
Bruno Waterfield, Brussels correspondent for The Times
More speakers to be announced
END - 5:00 pm
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Neil Kinnock is right on target. Very good analysis.
Ashton and Kinnock are good examples of very respectable politicians from the UK contributing to the idea and development of the European Union.
He is a muppet that collects massive amounts of wedge from corporate globalism - a long way from his socialist "man of the people" roots, turned by money. Waffling drivel .
I agree with them and you. I still believe leaving the EU was to give politicians a bloody nose off the back of the expenses scandal and austerity and the threat from UKRAP! An act of supreme self-harm conducted by a minority of people who with little education believed they were exceptional.
British people guessing what their relation with the EU could be with not one EU representative in the room to enlighten them : so British !
SO it was the same with the bbc brixt debates when they only had the E U loving cry baby's on
Lord Kinnock did an adequate job, I think.
There were true Europeans among them.
It’s a very strange notion when you use the term “ British people “, even with regard to our supposed ignorance “: so British ! “.
I can only presume from your namesake, you derive from Sweden, Denmark or somewhere around that proximity.
By all accounts you’ve mastered a hierarchical arrogance, generally reserved for the upper classes of the UK.
We are by definition, at least on a social level and presumably like a great many neighbouring states, a multicultural community.
It’s quite disparaging being constantly acquainted with being colonialists or having an imperialistic ideological approach.
When the same can be said for certain other European neighbours, I just wouldn’t be quite so crass in my approach,
Especially when the action they’ve taken, I’ve invariably agreed with.
It is interesting, certainly looking back over the past thirty five years, how certain aspects have changed. Certainly with the demise of industry, the overwhelming expansion of consumer excess. That would be my own personal recollection of the steady drip of decay and decline. On the flip side regarding a past statement from the Bank of England after raising the interest rates for the umpteenth time, to parry the rising rates of inflation, I personally met with a rye smile as they the austere measure should be “ leveraged by all members of society including the likes of the CEO’s of the large corporate cohorts.
@@TransdermalCelebrate I merely stressed that it's typical of british to talk about the EU amoungst british without ever inviting someone whom is actually from the EU. I think that would open up more info into the debate. But I almost never see that in british press. I do believe that is uniquely british. And that's what I said.
If this opinion makes you think I'm arrogant in some way I think says something about your mindset.
Just try to imagine, if you are willing, how europeans feel you lot talking about us amoungst yourselfs without wondering what we think.how would you feel about that ?
So me being "arrogant" ? LOL !!
A nation that thinks 27 other nations aren't good enough for it is indeed arrogant.
How funny that in the EU nobody talks about Brexit anymore!
I agree with Mr Kinnock that the EU could and should improve their communication with all people in the EU. However their communication was never toxic at least. In contrast it was the nearest thing to do for UK governments and certain parts of the UK media to put the blame for whatever difficulty just on the EU.
Brexit is a domestic UK thing. Why should we waste time on talking about it.
@@michaelburggraf2822 Amen, purely a product of British exceptionalism and xenophobia.
Individual EU citizens comment on how much more complicated it is to visit UK incurring more visa costs & long queues & individual EU countries eg Sweden, Netherlands say they miss the political support they used to enjoy in EU from UK.
@@lesleynewman3399 Yeps, but bygones are bygones. Sometimes one reminisces...
I don't think that facing a couple of difficulties is actually turning the UK's and particularly England's attitude and understanding for the EU around. And the way matters about Northern Ireland have been handled by the UK government is a quite convincing proof of my assessment.
For the EU thinking about what they could have done better or which mistakes they should have avoided would be and will be a complete waste of time as long as the EU remains the preferred scapegoat for problems the UK has inflicted upon itself.
A little of provenance might help. My Grandfather came from Königsberg, my father was a Physicist and although Jewish by race, was German in culture. He studied in Germany, before deciding that it was time to leave. My mother was Irish, from Cork, a nurse, who might have made a career on the stage. I was educated in England and then Ireland then France, my [fiancé was French,] I worked in France, Germany, Sweden and the USSR and was and am, as a result, European by experience, Education, and upbringing and so by. conviction and culture. [the only English passions to which I am attached are Cricket and Lawn Tennis.
The Brexit Campaign in Britain was studded with lies, obsession, and stoked by myth. The pro European campaign was perfunctory, and showed a lack of conviction. I suspect , from my experience in Europe, observing the English, that behind their hauteur, their rather bombastic conceit, there was a deep inferiority complex which was shared, and propagated by our despicable popular press. I hope we can continue our discussion.
@@benedictcowell6547 the great theoretical physisist Arnold Sommerfeld was born in Königsberg/Ostpreussen. He was Werner Heisenberg's teacher who set him on the track to modern atomic physics with a doctoral thesis. Maybe it's fair to say that Planck and Sommerfeld were the two grandseigneurs of physics in Germany in the 1920ties.
@@benedictcowell6547 I was quite stunned and disappionted by the weakness and lack of organisation of the EU supporting remain campaign. And honestly the book "All Out War" by Tim Shipman has confirmed all of my worst suspicions and expectations. In my view Brexit in its current state is an outstanding example of everything going wrong that could possibly go wrong. And certainly not only for remainers.
I have been an observer of British Politics from at home and abroad for most of my life, and mostly through the prism of the German and French Press, and during last year the fundamental problems of our politics have surfaced, and cannot be hidden by bluster and pomposity. The prestige of UK during this fiasco has plummeted. The USA, let alone the EU, watch this nonsense with increasing bewilderment. I saw Angela Merkel receiving an honour at Harvard University and the standing ovation she received, quite apart from the introductory remarks of the President of the University, persuade e that this so called 'Special Relationship' between the USA and the UK is a dead letter and that the Americans regard us with consternation mixed with a certain contempt. The problem with our politics is that the popular press have fed our myths, have created our xenophobia, have exploited our conceit . I am impressed by Ursula Von der Leyen. I do not blame the EU. The UK has never been European by conviction, although the culture is emphatically European, but the British People as a whole are encouraged to be Philistines by our press and politicians. As Hiberno-Deutsch I have always been encouraged to participate in European Culture, and I must report that I am perplexed by Brexit but alas not as surprised, now, as I was then.
I was always told that travel broadens the mind and in general it does but with addendum when you arrive in another country you recognise their culture and they yours and you put in a effort to fit in .I think the English section of the UK people didn’t get that point as they wanted to stay English and superior and dragged the rest with them with the help of the press but sure we will have to work with what we have now that’s my thoughts
First panel: 15:00
Second panel: 2:01:40
I have an image of the British people as having a trader’s mindset: when you are in an outpost selling your wares to the natives it does’nt matter it you have a big row with one of them, there always will be other natives….
My image of the Europeans is of them having a peasant’s mindset: if you have a big row with your peasant neighbour, you restrain yourself for fear of having to live alongside a hostile presence for the next twenty-five years….
The enormous mistake that Britain has made vis-a-vis the EU - not only during Brexit but since the Thatcher years - has been her constant resorting to brinkmanship tactics. Brinkmanship works as long as both partners value their link more than their dispute; but comes a time when stress-testing the link goes to the breaking point!
My view is that the British elites, embroiled in their internal rivalries, have viewed the ‘peasant’s restraint’ as a weakness to be exploited; and - confident that brinkmanship would work - they have let the worst instincts of their electorate be stoked by reckless extremists: “see, if you don’t give in, my extremists will take charge…”!
But this has been left to simmer to such a degree during Brexit than the EU nations not only have felt insulted as a group - and sometimes very specifically, as in the case of Germany -, but have drawn the conclusion that the British are unreformed Xenophobes and the British elites can’t manage their country.
In short, they no longer view Britain as a trusted partner.
So it is “Goodbye Britain” for the next twenty-five years, until a new generation of chastened British elites comes to power around 2045. __ .
No cherry picking though!
Why not, ask the British. Certainly it is in the EU's interest to make life easier for Brits to provide services in the EU... 🍒 🍒🍒
Why is this guy assigning the trade damage on the TCA and not brexit itself? He should have though of the situation without the TCA.
Also, these panels and reports are seriously undermined by sticking to framing based on the fiction reported in the British media rather than on the actual facts. The latter session is a weird exercise in analysis through the prism of British exceptionalism.
The talk of "retaliation" is fairly egregious, considering some things in the WA and TCA exist on the basis of alignment, so the "retaliation" would be a technocratic withdrawal of those things, and some things in them are very much what was agreed on and thus part of the international law. Breaking "specific" parts of an agreement isn't a minor thing. Instead, it puts the whole agreement to question. It's not a buffet, you sign on to all or nothing. Legislating unilaterally to modify it is just tearing up the agreement.
It's funny how the UK does not understand that the no cherry picking was the strategic decision regarding the future relation with the UK and still is. However, it's understandable given it's impossible for the UK to understand that it would not be treated exceptionally.
No matters what. They find a way to blame the French
Unless uk has PR, the EU will be very dubious about any rapprochement.
@Simon John When you start electing your civil service. Did you not listen to the end of first panel or did you not just understand it?
@Simon John Half of the population has below average IQ. That's not the fault of the EU.
@Simon John So, basically, you saying to me that I'm the problem because I understand how the EU functions and therefore I am at fault for what exactly? You just said not understanding how the EU works is a reason for leaving the EU, just to remind you of the logical impasse you put yourself into. Please explain yourself.
@Simon John Changing topic does not change the illogical nature of your initial argument.
impressive people on the panel. why are they not in government?
house of lords cant go back to the commons without getting a shitshow of a backlash :D and the rest ist burned by beeing part of "brussels" so to the average british iq95 voter they sadly are burned too...
@ ~01:01:00 Cameron (Britain) went to far in cherry picking. The point of NOT any more cherries for the British were reached. Period!
@ ~45:00 'The City of London' was NOTHING positive. In Fact it was a pain in our a.. And so are the overseas, the canal islands and 'Isle of Man'.
The EU had many opportunities to change it's ways, Merkel the unelected EU wouldn't and we all know what happened next.
What or who is unelected?
@@drazen1972cro If you can't work that out from my sentence, you need a hard look at yourself!
Yeah, turns out that the elected majority did not want what the UK wanted.
EU =Sovviet union =vikttoria nuulend .
Obviously, you have not a faintest idea what any of these terms mean. Otherwise, you wouldn't just spew nonsense in the youtube comment section. For your sake, stay away from sharp things.
Leaving the EU was the best thing gb has ever done and if this Island will ever understand that it still is in Europe and always has been, you could start talking about education (((((((((((((-:
Brexit just wasn't hard enough!!!!! The EU talked a lot about the consequences, but with the uneducated Islands, who only speak half their own language would never know about it. The british haven't manage to even create the border they where so much dreaming about and we can only hope that the lorry park are done by now (((((((((-: The EU is still celebrating.
Drivel
@@benedictcowell6547 Keep shitting into your own drinking water and proudly call it sovereignty you drivel Islander (((((-:
@@benedictcowell6547 I have never seen such a bunch of the proudest slaves, voting for it (((((((((((((((((((-: and swinging the flag and hope the big dick is gonna swing (((((((((((((-:
Not withstanding your gratuitously foul language, you mistake me, as I have perhaps mistaken you. I am not a Brexiteer, on the contrary I am a European by conviction, Iived and worked in Europe, believe in the EU and thin the entire obsession wit sovereignty to be rather absurd, and it has been so since Polaris, Suez, and the U2 rocket. I apologise if I have mistaken the intent of your remarks, but your tone is what I have come to associate with the tone of Brexiteers who seem to think abuse is a substitute for argument@@torstenkranz5839
Seriously I can't agree. I'll stick with the statements from J.C.Juncker and D.Tusk that Brexit is a loose-loose situation. The UK is an important country in Europe - not only in terms of politics and economy but in terms of culture and science too. That they've left the EU is absolutely no reason for celebration in my opinion. However it's their decision and they've put it in action - the EU has to cope with that situation and we will.