This is an underrated video. Work and hobbies won't mean a thing if your health is compromised. More artists should watch this before getting down to long sculpting hours.
I've been studying art and drawing over 10 hours, my hand was hurting like hell and I had to stop for two days before going back. Besides of course being moderate with the time I spend drawing daily (max 8 hours) I really needed some tips on pen grip to have better use of my whole arm, I'm sure this will help a lot, thank you so much! ❤️
the edge of my wrist hurts like hell as I'm typing this when my last drawing session was 2 days ago (3 days now actually) I am so listening to ur tips thank you
Not strictly wrist related, but I’ve found my fingers hurt a lot less since I made the pen chunkier (I used a foam hair roller lol, but I’ve seen people use tape as well and i believe they also sell soft pencil wraps). It makes it easier to hold the pen without applying as much pressure with your fingers, which makes your knuckles hurt much less in the long run!
Thanks man, the glove really seems to help, I just cambe back from the osteopathist, and she said that it was caused by my sitffy NECK (thous, shoulders), so maybe you should try what she told me: Neck, and soulders strechings for 15 minutes BEFORE AND AFTER drawing, also some forearm streches ;)
Hey nice! Thanks for the advice! I've actually been doing these three circus stretches for handstand balancers and they've worked wonders. I started around a year ago and I've never had problems since! Though since I got the glove, drawing has been fine anyway. Thanks again for the comment! best wishes for your day!
THANK YOU!! I have been drawing nonstop since I got my drawing tablet (one week ago) and I am so glad I found this, my hand hurts so bad! I can't wait to try this out!!!
Thank you so much for this! I've been having chronic wrist pain that won't allow me to draw for more than a few hours every few days. It's REALLY hard for me to draw with my shoulder, as I tend to draw really small to get those fine details. If I draw too big I find that my hand wanders off the tablet. The grip position was new information; I will try that. It's super difficult for me to change all these little habits; it feels like I'm trying to relearn how to draw. It's really frustrating but I hope it'll save my wrist in the long run.
Thanks, this really helped. I'm really bummed because the doctor just diagnosed me with carpal tunnel syndrome. But you made me hopeful! I want to give you a hug!
Yeah good luck! I've made another video on the wrist recently, and also really recommend physio/eccentric exercises. Also I swear by the glove and the smaller pen (described in the other vid). Good luck, and hope you find a way to draw forever!
You cannot escape RSI if you are a cg artist like me, i used my shoulder and now i get a sharp shoulder blade pain and i cannot work at all. I tried every single device like vertical mouse and i still get tendonitis. My next step since i am desperate is to change my diet to an anti inflammatory diet and i recently quit coffee since it is not good at all when you have tendonitis. I will also do light muscle building to support these tendons. After that if nothing work i will have to quit my job as a 3d artist.
Glad you ask since i found the solution, just Google for Dr Sarno and TMS, it is the closest thing to a miracle and not only for tendonitis, do yourself a favor and read Dr Sarno books and they are dirt cheap on amazon. I am currently playing Alien isolation with my mouse and i am pain free!@@polar6066
Not really since after reading the book i understand that the position doesn't really matter(no talking about extreme here). I cannot explain better but after reading the book anyone would easily understand how it's work. Dr Sarno mention them as medical mythology just like don't sleep on a hard or soft mattress. The position as long as it is not extreme to cause discomfort have no impact .@@polar6066
A big thank you to you for this video. I have early symptoms of cubital tunnel syndrome and am looking for ways to improve ergonomics to prevent it developing further. These tips are great! Also, another suggestion is the share the burden with your other hand. With looser paint work, requiring less precision, I have started using my left hand.
Im glad it helped! I also have a newer video where I've figured out some more issues after I destroyed it again following this video XD P.S. Yeah I did try the other hand- but I guess I'm too hardcore that I ended up busting both wrists HAHA. It got to the point where I was trying to type using my feet. Good luck, and good on you for figuring it out once you have early symptoms!!!
@@MarkDavidTeo I'm sorry to hear you've had such a bad time since! I'll look into your other video too. The more advice the better. I hope you manage/managed to work something out to combat your problems.
Just started getting in to drawing and it really makes me focus more on using my shoulder instead of my wrist, I'm glad I thought a bit about ergonomics first.
My natural pen holding position is exactly what was demonstrated! I always thought it was weird I held my pencils like that- Also this was very helpful!
Finally found a good grip. Thanks for this video. Every other way I've tried to hold my wacom pen has felt off but with this way it feels very natural and I have better control as well.
Thank you SO much for your tips. Wish I had it last last year when I had a big illustration gig and I had to keep stopping because my wrist was starting to hurt, hence delays. This is of great help.
Great video. I actually have an injury on my wrist. Like I have a small swelling now😢. Do you know anyone that has had the problem and how they solved it?
Great video. I'm going to now try the better holding position. One thing I always do with my pens is pop off the buttons using a tiny screwdriver and clip the two posts on the underside so that they are completely disabled. I don't use them because I keep accidentally hitting them, which caused me to hold the pen funny. Even when their actions are set to None, they will cause a stutter in a line if they're pressed while drawing, so I kill them off completely. Also, you'll find the tiny screw under there that lets you adjust the proximity to the screen before it activates, if anyone's looking for that. I've had to do with some models of pen display.
Ive been dealing with mild but almost constant wrist pain for almost two years now, I went to the doctor recently and it turned out to be a cyst pressing against my nerves, they said it should be okay but after months of wearing a brace, exercising my wrist, drawing w/positioning in mind and taking breaks it’s not getting better, I think i’m gonna need surgery to get the cyst removed :( if anyone else has pain that isn’t solved with exercises/stretching or grip changes you might want to see a doctor too, it might not be something that can be fixed so simply
I have a Wacom XL and it is basically the same dimensions as my monitor. I think trying to draw with a 1:1 ratio really helps you stop having a death grip on the pen because you are not struggling to control it as much.
Hello, I tried this new holding position and I can draw lines fine, but how do you click those side buttons on the pen? I've set them to right click and pick color, and I use these pretty often. when I was drawing in a writing position I could click them with my thumb's knuckle but it hurts. so could you tell me, please?
You can use the alt key for picking the color, try to use the buttons of the pen for keys you wont be using that often but that saves you time (for example i have them in anticlick, and inverting the image horizontaly)
Thanks for this never thought to hold the pen like that I also need to get a glove and maybe put my cintig closer to my desk i never had a wrist problem in till I got my cintiq its a real bummer to because now im not allowed to draw in till the strain goes away. :c
Bro I cant remember what I said in the vid. But perhaps look into flexbar. My extensors seem to do pretty well when I can comfortably do 12x3 green. Got the arbitrary number from some rock climber.
I have been dealing with this issue for the last 25 years so I know exactly how it feels to not be able to do something you love because of the physical pain !!!!
@@MarkDavidTeo Thanks bro... its been a ongoing battle, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, but I keep on fighting anyways!!!! Thanks for posting this video bro !!!!
Great video! I'm just now realizing the need to draw from the shoulder - and not the wrist. Now, I don't usually draw w/ my Intuos Pro.. I just use it for all stuff on computer (general work, navigation, some Adobe software, etc.). I'm getting a sort of tablet holder that I'd use for paper docs, but was going to use it to prop up my Wacom - so it would be kind of like those elevated, angled things that some use for Cintiqus. I saw you mentioned you'd been drawing elevated - was wondering, if elevated on an Intuos Pro was normal or advised. Or, if it's better to keep it flat on the table. I imagine elevated would help ensure i use shoulder, but at same time.. I know it can also create a less-than-natural bend. Keep up awesome work!
Great video. I do a lot of photo editing and I've always been using a small mouse, so I just started to experiment wrist problems a couple of weeks ago. Right now I'm trying to decide between a graphics tablet or a track ball mouse. I know the tablet would be the perfect choice regarding productivity, but I still think the track ball mouse would be the safest choice for my wrist, because with the tablet I would still need to worry about the posture of my hand, and if I don't use it the right way, my problem could get worse. On the other hand and given all I've researched, with the track ball I'd only need to let my hand rest on it and move my right thumb, without me needing to worry about anything else, at least regarding the posture of my hand, I mean, besides other things like my chair, the distance from the desk, etc. I have a very limited budget, so I'm trying to think carefully not to regret my purchase. Anyway, your video is very helpful, exactly the information I was looking for. Thak you very much!!
idk what i have at this point... its been years , my stamina dies after like a 1minute of peak performance and continues to deteriorate through any session, doctors say my arm is fine.. all they do is basic turns and bends and pinching my arm here and there... maybe i have a high pain tolerance, cuz all im feeling is numbness and stiff, im so depressed, what im feeling is psychological pain at this point and i surely my tolerance for it is running out
:( Have you tried seeing nerve specialists? Also if it’s stiff i think that might mean you havent been using it for awhile. slowly loading keeping pain under a 4 might be helpful? But honestly, numbness sounds like a nerve is being affected and that’s why you cant feel anything. General Practitioners didnt help me. I saw 8 of them.
@@MarkDavidTeo wowww didn't think you'd reply,.... the comments came on the spur of the moment... wasn't expecting anything....q.q yeah i been to a nerve specialist, they pinched my arm abit turned it around, and did the usual ''squeeze my fingers'' and said it seems fine.... afterwards i made em do a nerve test on my right hand.. and he said the results seems normal.... idk if you'd be willing to help me.. i don't mean to drop a bomb on you like this..... but honestly there's to much to mention, i been affected for the last 10 years 6 of it were the worst, my heads overloaded my knowledge is limited for argument sake and i feel disregarded the doctors where i live seem incompetent, their diagnosis is poor and weak.... and am losing my rationality, and it could be used against me to say i have mental problems instead to dodge the real problem no one takes me seriously.....i've started going bald from the stress. developed insomnia, and ruined my body from self destructive behavior caused through prolonged depression, but wat i'm feeling is real... and it 'hurts' meanwhile my dreams/conviction lay stagnant moving further away from my reach, quite literally
@@crimsontrigger3632 As much as I'd like to help, Im just an artist and if a nerve specialist and doctors have issues trying to fix your problem, im not sure I would have more knowledge. I hope you can find your answers. And when you do, you can share the solutions for the next person in your situation.
@@crimsontrigger3632 i think you should get an MRI scan or another in depth examination, I said this in my comment but i had inexplicable wrist pain for over a year and it wasn’t until I went and got an MRI scan that we realized the pain was being caused by an internal cyst pressing against my nerves.
@@_kaleido i did get 1 it was expensive.. but im not sure how and what they scanned exactly, probably my brain, but the doc said it was ''normal'', tbh the doctor barely spoke.. and a few days later i was shoved into the mri and even fewer words were exchanged afterwards.... i cant comprehend the scenario, infact i wasted so much money visiting the same such doctors that doesn't listen to me... and then proceeding to get prescribed with mere basic tests, and i doubt they do it well, their precision is so lacking, they behave like they seen this case a 1000 times.. before even hearing me out, and a few times they considered me talking explaining what i researched as me being a smartmouth or an overreaction/paranoia, i mean... fuck dude i had this for such a long time.. im desperate!. just hear me out .. i've yet to seek oversea doctors which might be my last hope.. i'll leave a more specific summary incase another person kind enough drops by, right... sigh where do i begin... well its basically just like rsi or carpal tunnel. the issue worsens through repetitive action but.. [everyone i went to didn't know this term 'rsi' yeah......] but even there's always the default value my arm is stuck at without doing any action.i feel through along my fingers to my wrist my forearms my elbow my shoulder my neck even, its feels like a pinched nerve.. every moment is very tight and restricted, my forearm muscles also tire out quite quickly, my arm in general always feels fatigued. a metaphor would be ''a fan being clogged by dust dirt and its performance slowing down'' and if i was to say it in numbers.. my arm right now is 45% when im tired 25% when im having some kind of dopamine rush adrenaline it spikes to 75%, and the occasional 85%, but with poor hand eye coordination after being stuck at random percentages for so long, it feels off i had poor posture at the start i was a heavy gamer, i also noticed my fingers r slightly deformed in the ways i held the mouse and pushed on the keyboard it also feels like a cramp stiffness tightness a rubber band forcing to stretch, my reflexes and overall arm strength, stamina endurance is also affected, i say this by comparing how many reps i can do with dumbbells say for example 200 for both hands but my left wouldn't feel anything the next day. unless i overwork it over the limit, and still it would be just usual fatigue, i also find pushup quite hard. i feel my palm near my wrist area harden and stay stiffened abit and i feel like something cold idk how to describe it, my joints hurt too, i also find lifting weights or any heavy work in general hard with my right. even my grip strength. feels like iwas battered by a group, my hand also feels cold sometimes and is cold to the tough. and sometimes feels hot but not hot or cold to the touch, also my shoulder area feels the tightest its hard to use my whole arm in combination with my wrist elbow for things like art or gaming with precision, also my wrist rotation is VERY tight.. also i noticed that i can tough the back of my neck with my left hand quite flexible. but i can't with my right. i can barely tough my upper back, also when i jump i feel something loose, but its temporary running too. i brought a vertical mouse. but it felt worse. i rested my arm did nothing for 2 weeks. but felt it became worse or weaker. i find holding a pencil grip for prolonged period tiring, my arm is cold in the morning when i wake up, and feels abit frozen and slow . i also feel like some weird backpain there's more. ask me questions and i might have answer for em all, my summary is a jumbled mess
I know I’m pretty late, but I wanted ask, what about zooming in and out? I tend to do this a lot while drawing but this can also put strain on my wrist. Would you have tips for this or would my only option be to zoom in and out less? Thanks for the great video!
Yeah… You could try map zooming to the other hand (eg in clip it can be on right click), my zoom is left handed. But, I think alot of people dont zoom in and out that much, especially when recording speedpaintings XD Its also cool to manually zoom in and out by manually moving your head away! 😊
I know I'm a bit late 😅 But the advices you gave are great. It's hard to find specific videos on this topic, so thank you :) One thing I wanted to ask about drawing from the shoulder, how do you adjust your tablet position and arm height? Since I'm guessing you still keep you hand loose and not completely bound to the desk/tablet..so you can move your whole arm around. Or do you keep your tablet near the edge, so the desk doesn't restrain your shoulder movement ? Thanls, again :)
Lately I've been putting the tablet pretty far to the right and resting my elbow on the table. Then my whole elbow and wrist are steady and my shoulder drags. :O My thoughts on ergonomics for drawing have updated a bit since the video, and so now Im a huge proponent of "whatever works for you works". Also might want to try drawing on your lap. Good luck!
So it wasn’t even really my wrist hurting, it was my pinky and ring finger, soon as I started holding it like you suggested in the video a lot of the tension I was feeling wasn’t there! Damn!
i hate my arm cuz i cant huse my arm cuz it shakes to mutch so i have to use my wrist for my drawing to look good (im new so dont judge) and after a while my wrist hurts so mutch, but then i used a glove and my wrist and it doesnt hurt (i only draw a little bit per day)
trying to draw with my shoulder is hard and I can't control it at all .. does it get better 😭 but thank you for these my wrists have always had problems and it made it painful and frustrating to draw.. I've been trying wrist stretches everyday and it's been helping a lot!
Good luck with your wrist! And yeah! Actually, drawing with your shoulder will help get straighter lines, especially when you draw bigger! It's from a further away pivot! Good luck!
@@marachannel12 :O It depends how small! But if your wrist hurts, you might want to try drawing bigger! Or if you must use a really small surface you can try drawing with your elbow? shoulder > elbow > wrist
shit, i forgot i don't have a glove, but that aside, thanks for the video, people like you who find their own solutions to their own problems, that i admire quite a bit, y'know, i look forward to improving and being comftable thanks to you
I used to give my friend a lot of shit for her weird pen holding technique, but it turns out taht it's actually good for you so I guess I owe her an apology now
I’ve been told my grip is weird and it just turns out perhaps it’s part of what prevented me from having major issues with my drawing hand! I’ve always been holding the pen resting it on the third finger. The reason why I’m watching this though is that I happen to have pain on my other (non-dominant) wrist, cause I use that hand for the keyboard shortcuts :/ anyone else?
same here, with these videos i'm no longer having pain problems in my knuckles when holding the pencil, however my left hand gets more wrist pain from the shortcut keys i'm using when drawing, it's annoying.
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This is an underrated video. Work and hobbies won't mean a thing if your health is compromised. More artists should watch this before getting down to long sculpting hours.
bro you too kind! Hope you have a good day!
I've been studying art and drawing over 10 hours, my hand was hurting like hell and I had to stop for two days before going back. Besides of course being moderate with the time I spend drawing daily (max 8 hours) I really needed some tips on pen grip to have better use of my whole arm, I'm sure this will help a lot, thank you so much! ❤️
MERCI for the finger positioning !! Very important !!! Good Explanation !
the edge of my wrist hurts like hell as I'm typing this when my last drawing session was 2 days ago (3 days now actually) I am so listening to ur tips thank you
Not strictly wrist related, but I’ve found my fingers hurt a lot less since I made the pen chunkier (I used a foam hair roller lol, but I’ve seen people use tape as well and i believe they also sell soft pencil wraps). It makes it easier to hold the pen without applying as much pressure with your fingers, which makes your knuckles hurt much less in the long run!
Oh yes! Thanks for the advice!
Thanks man, the glove really seems to help, I just cambe back from the osteopathist, and she said that it was caused by my sitffy NECK (thous, shoulders), so maybe you should try what she told me: Neck, and soulders strechings for 15 minutes BEFORE AND AFTER drawing, also some forearm streches ;)
Hey nice! Thanks for the advice!
I've actually been doing these three circus stretches for handstand balancers and they've worked wonders. I started around a year ago and I've never had problems since!
Though since I got the glove, drawing has been fine anyway.
Thanks again for the comment! best wishes for your day!
THANK YOU!! I have been drawing nonstop since I got my drawing tablet (one week ago) and I am so glad I found this, my hand hurts so bad! I can't wait to try this out!!!
Thank you so much for this! I've been having chronic wrist pain that won't allow me to draw for more than a few hours every few days. It's REALLY hard for me to draw with my shoulder, as I tend to draw really small to get those fine details. If I draw too big I find that my hand wanders off the tablet. The grip position was new information; I will try that. It's super difficult for me to change all these little habits; it feels like I'm trying to relearn how to draw. It's really frustrating but I hope it'll save my wrist in the long run.
Thanks, this really helped. I'm really bummed because the doctor just diagnosed me with carpal tunnel syndrome. But you made me hopeful! I want to give you a hug!
Yeah good luck! I've made another video on the wrist recently, and also really recommend physio/eccentric exercises. Also I swear by the glove and the smaller pen (described in the other vid). Good luck, and hope you find a way to draw forever!
You cannot escape RSI if you are a cg artist like me, i used my shoulder and now i get a sharp shoulder blade pain and i cannot work at all. I tried every single device like vertical mouse and i still get tendonitis. My next step since i am desperate is to change my diet to an anti inflammatory diet and i recently quit coffee since it is not good at all when you have tendonitis. I will also do light muscle building to support these tendons. After that if nothing work i will have to quit my job as a 3d artist.
Glad you ask since i found the solution, just Google for Dr Sarno and TMS, it is the closest thing to a miracle and not only for tendonitis, do yourself a favor and read Dr Sarno books and they are dirt cheap on amazon. I am currently playing Alien isolation with my mouse and i am pain free!@@polar6066
The mind body prescriptions, the divided mind and finally healing back pain(It's not only for back pain).@@polar6066
Not really since after reading the book i understand that the position doesn't really matter(no talking about extreme here). I cannot explain better but after reading the book anyone would easily understand how it's work. Dr Sarno mention them as medical mythology just like don't sleep on a hard or soft mattress. The position as long as it is not extreme to cause discomfort have no impact .@@polar6066
Thank you so much! I had severe pain in wrist for doing too much drawings on tablet. I didn't know what to do. It helped me!
Thank you for your good advice and personable video
you can also tape paper on to the surface of the tablet instead of a glove
A big thank you to you for this video. I have early symptoms of cubital tunnel syndrome and am looking for ways to improve ergonomics to prevent it developing further. These tips are great!
Also, another suggestion is the share the burden with your other hand. With looser paint work, requiring less precision, I have started using my left hand.
Im glad it helped! I also have a newer video where I've figured out some more issues after I destroyed it again following this video XD
P.S. Yeah I did try the other hand- but I guess I'm too hardcore that I ended up busting both wrists HAHA. It got to the point where I was trying to type using my feet. Good luck, and good on you for figuring it out once you have early symptoms!!!
@@MarkDavidTeo I'm sorry to hear you've had such a bad time since! I'll look into your other video too. The more advice the better. I hope you manage/managed to work something out to combat your problems.
hi. thanks for this. my pen tablet is quite small working with shoulder is quite hard i wish i bought a bigger pen tablet
Cheers! Adapting my fingers to have two in front of the pen now!:)
Just started getting in to drawing and it really makes me focus more on using my shoulder instead of my wrist, I'm glad I thought a bit about ergonomics first.
My natural pen holding position is exactly what was demonstrated! I always thought it was weird I held my pencils like that-
Also this was very helpful!
Finally found a good grip. Thanks for this video. Every other way I've tried to hold my wacom pen has felt off but with this way it feels very natural and I have better control as well.
Wooo! I hope it all works out for you! :D
Thank you SO much for your tips. Wish I had it last last year when I had a big illustration gig and I had to keep stopping because my wrist was starting to hurt, hence delays. This is of great help.
Sorry to hear about your struggle :( Glad youre better now though(?)!
Great video. I actually have an injury on my wrist. Like I have a small swelling now😢. Do you know anyone that has had the problem and how they solved it?
it is also very important to take small breaks, it will also help your wrist
Great video. I'm going to now try the better holding position.
One thing I always do with my pens is pop off the buttons using a tiny screwdriver and clip the two posts on the underside so that they are completely disabled. I don't use them because I keep accidentally hitting them, which caused me to hold the pen funny. Even when their actions are set to None, they will cause a stutter in a line if they're pressed while drawing, so I kill them off completely.
Also, you'll find the tiny screw under there that lets you adjust the proximity to the screen before it activates, if anyone's looking for that. I've had to do with some models of pen display.
It's wicked to stumble upon you on youtube dude, glad to see you're still drawing after that time at CDA!
I know im a little late since the vid is a bit old now but i just wanted to say that you REALLY helped me out
This really helped me. Specially with the glove part. Thanks!
Yaayy! That makes me so happy to hear! I hope your wrist gets better! It sux when you can't draw :(
I gotta invest on a bigger tablet...mine is smal and even if i focus on drawing with my elbow i tend to do movements with my wrist
Ive been dealing with mild but almost constant wrist pain for almost two years now, I went to the doctor recently and it turned out to be a cyst pressing against my nerves, they said it should be okay but after months of wearing a brace, exercising my wrist, drawing w/positioning in mind and taking breaks it’s not getting better, I think i’m gonna need surgery to get the cyst removed :( if anyone else has pain that isn’t solved with exercises/stretching or grip changes you might want to see a doctor too, it might not be something that can be fixed so simply
Damn Kat :( Hope if you get the cyst removed the pain can go away :/
I have a Wacom XL and it is basically the same dimensions as my monitor. I think trying to draw with a 1:1 ratio really helps you stop having a death grip on the pen because you are not struggling to control it as much.
Hell yeah bro! I want to try one!
@@MarkDavidTeo They are good, but very unwieldy!
@@chrisjhart More wieldy than the 24HD cintiqs XD. But yeah, i imagine the space must be krazi
Thank you so much this is really helpful
This is very informative video. Thanks!!!!
Hello, I tried this new holding position and I can draw lines fine, but how do you click those side buttons on the pen? I've set them to right click and pick color, and I use these pretty often. when I was drawing in a writing position I could click them with my thumb's knuckle but it hurts. so could you tell me, please?
Yoyo! I haven't seen the video in awhile, but if I'm showing the two fingers over position, I use my thumb for the buttons. Hope that helps!
You can use the alt key for picking the color, try to use the buttons of the pen for keys you wont be using that often but that saves you time (for example i have them in anticlick, and inverting the image horizontaly)
thanks for the tips!!!! helpful! I'm just really having a hard time switching from using the shoulder as pivot. howwwww huhuhu
Thanks for this never thought to hold the pen like that I also need to get a glove and maybe put my cintig closer to my desk i never had a wrist problem in till I got my cintiq its a real bummer to because now im not allowed to draw in till the strain goes away. :c
Fuk dat sucks. Has the strain gone away now? :O
Thank you...I need to start practicing with 3 fingers.
For the dumbbell would you say like 5minute sessions 3 times a day or is that to short?
Bro I cant remember what I said in the vid. But perhaps look into flexbar. My extensors seem to do pretty well when I can comfortably do 12x3 green. Got the arbitrary number from some rock climber.
@@MarkDavidTeo did not even think I would get a reply lol appreciate it though
I have been dealing with this issue for the last 25 years so I know exactly how it feels to not be able to do something you love because of the physical pain !!!!
25 years is such a long time :( Heart out to you bro!
@@MarkDavidTeo Thanks bro... its been a ongoing battle, mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritually, but I keep on fighting anyways!!!! Thanks for posting this video bro !!!!
Great video! I'm just now realizing the need to draw from the shoulder - and not the wrist. Now, I don't usually draw w/ my Intuos Pro.. I just use it for all stuff on computer (general work, navigation, some Adobe software, etc.). I'm getting a sort of tablet holder that I'd use for paper docs, but was going to use it to prop up my Wacom - so it would be kind of like those elevated, angled things that some use for Cintiqus. I saw you mentioned you'd been drawing elevated - was wondering, if elevated on an Intuos Pro was normal or advised. Or, if it's better to keep it flat on the table. I imagine elevated would help ensure i use shoulder, but at same time.. I know it can also create a less-than-natural bend. Keep up awesome work!
Thank you so much!!! S2
Great video. I do a lot of photo editing and I've always been using a small mouse, so I just started to experiment wrist problems a couple of weeks ago. Right now I'm trying to decide between a graphics tablet or a track ball mouse. I know the tablet would be the perfect choice regarding productivity, but I still think the track ball mouse would be the safest choice for my wrist, because with the tablet I would still need to worry about the posture of my hand, and if I don't use it the right way, my problem could get worse. On the other hand and given all I've researched, with the track ball I'd only need to let my hand rest on it and move my right thumb, without me needing to worry about anything else, at least regarding the posture of my hand, I mean, besides other things like my chair, the distance from the desk, etc. I have a very limited budget, so I'm trying to think carefully not to regret my purchase. Anyway, your video is very helpful, exactly the information I was looking for. Thak you very much!!
Hey, It's been a year, at the end of the day, what was your choice?
5:24 did you just carelessly dropped the tablet? lol
I'm gonna give this a shot, thanks man
idk what i have at this point... its been years , my stamina dies after like a 1minute of peak performance and continues to deteriorate through any session, doctors say my arm is fine.. all they do is basic turns and bends and pinching my arm here and there... maybe i have a high pain tolerance, cuz all im feeling is numbness and stiff, im so depressed, what im feeling is psychological pain at this point and i surely my tolerance for it is running out
:( Have you tried seeing nerve specialists? Also if it’s stiff i think that might mean you havent been using it for awhile. slowly loading keeping pain under a 4 might be helpful? But honestly, numbness sounds like a nerve is being affected and that’s why you cant feel anything. General Practitioners didnt help me. I saw 8 of them.
@@MarkDavidTeo wowww didn't think you'd reply,.... the comments came on the spur of the moment... wasn't expecting anything....q.q yeah i been to a nerve specialist, they pinched my arm abit turned it around, and did the usual ''squeeze my fingers'' and said it seems fine.... afterwards i made em do a nerve test on my right hand.. and he said the results seems normal....
idk if you'd be willing to help me.. i don't mean to drop a bomb on you like this..... but honestly there's to much to mention, i been affected for the last 10 years 6 of it were the worst, my heads overloaded my knowledge is limited for argument sake and i feel disregarded the doctors where i live seem incompetent, their diagnosis is poor and weak.... and am losing my rationality, and it could be used against me to say i have mental problems instead to dodge the real problem
no one takes me seriously.....i've started going bald from the stress. developed insomnia, and ruined my body from self destructive behavior caused through prolonged depression, but wat i'm feeling is real... and it 'hurts' meanwhile my dreams/conviction lay stagnant moving further away from my reach, quite literally
@@crimsontrigger3632 As much as I'd like to help, Im just an artist and if a nerve specialist and doctors have issues trying to fix your problem, im not sure I would have more knowledge.
I hope you can find your answers. And when you do, you can share the solutions for the next person in your situation.
@@crimsontrigger3632 i think you should get an MRI scan or another in depth examination, I said this in my comment but i had inexplicable wrist pain for over a year and it wasn’t until I went and got an MRI scan that we realized the pain was being caused by an internal cyst pressing against my nerves.
@@_kaleido i did get 1 it was expensive.. but im not sure how and what they scanned exactly, probably my brain, but the doc said it was ''normal'', tbh the doctor barely spoke.. and a few days later i was shoved into the mri and even fewer words were exchanged afterwards.... i cant comprehend the scenario, infact i wasted so much money visiting the same such doctors that doesn't listen to me... and then proceeding to get prescribed with mere basic tests, and i doubt they do it well, their precision is so lacking, they behave like they seen this case a 1000 times.. before even hearing me out, and a few times they considered me talking explaining what i researched as me being a smartmouth or an overreaction/paranoia, i mean... fuck dude i had this for such a long time.. im desperate!. just hear me out .. i've yet to seek oversea doctors which might be my last hope..
i'll leave a more specific summary incase another person kind enough drops by,
right... sigh where do i begin... well its basically just like rsi or carpal tunnel. the issue worsens through repetitive action but.. [everyone i went to didn't know this term 'rsi' yeah......] but even there's always the default value my arm is stuck at without doing any action.i feel through along my fingers to my wrist my forearms my elbow my shoulder my neck even, its feels like a pinched nerve.. every moment is very tight and restricted, my forearm muscles also tire out quite quickly, my arm in general always feels fatigued. a metaphor would be ''a fan being clogged by dust dirt and its performance slowing down''
and if i was to say it in numbers.. my arm right now is 45% when im tired 25% when im having some kind of dopamine rush adrenaline it spikes to 75%, and the occasional 85%, but with poor hand eye coordination after being stuck at random percentages for so long, it feels off
i had poor posture at the start i was a heavy gamer, i also noticed my fingers r slightly deformed in the ways i held the mouse and pushed on the keyboard
it also feels like a cramp stiffness tightness a rubber band forcing to stretch, my reflexes and overall arm strength, stamina endurance is also affected, i say this by comparing how many reps i can do with dumbbells say for example 200 for both hands but my left wouldn't feel anything the next day. unless i overwork it over the limit, and still it would be just usual fatigue, i also find pushup quite hard. i feel my palm near my wrist area harden and stay stiffened abit and i feel like something cold idk how to describe it, my joints hurt too, i also find lifting weights or any heavy work in general hard with my right. even my grip strength. feels like iwas battered by a group, my hand also feels cold sometimes and is cold to the tough. and sometimes feels hot but not hot or cold to the touch, also my shoulder area feels the tightest its hard to use my whole arm in combination with my wrist elbow for things like art or gaming with precision, also my wrist rotation is VERY tight.. also i noticed that i can tough the back of my neck with my left hand quite flexible. but i can't with my right. i can barely tough my upper back, also when i jump i feel something loose, but its temporary running too. i brought a vertical mouse. but it felt worse. i rested my arm did nothing for 2 weeks. but felt it became worse or weaker. i find holding a pencil grip for prolonged period tiring, my arm is cold in the morning when i wake up, and feels abit frozen and slow . i also feel like some weird backpain there's more. ask me questions and i might have answer for em all, my summary is a jumbled mess
Thank you! At last some one talk about it
I know I’m pretty late, but I wanted ask, what about zooming in and out? I tend to do this a lot while drawing but this can also put strain on my wrist. Would you have tips for this or would my only option be to zoom in and out less?
Thanks for the great video!
Yeah… You could try map zooming to the other hand (eg in clip it can be on right click), my zoom is left handed. But, I think alot of people dont zoom in and out that much, especially when recording speedpaintings XD Its also cool to manually zoom in and out by manually moving your head away! 😊
thank you so much im trying to work on comics and my wrist is being a butt
I know I'm a bit late 😅 But the advices you gave are great. It's hard to find specific videos on this topic, so thank you :) One thing I wanted to ask about drawing from the shoulder, how do you adjust your tablet position and arm height? Since I'm guessing you still keep you hand loose and not completely bound to the desk/tablet..so you can move your whole arm around. Or do you keep your tablet near the edge, so the desk doesn't restrain your shoulder movement ? Thanls, again :)
Lately I've been putting the tablet pretty far to the right and resting my elbow on the table. Then my whole elbow and wrist are steady and my shoulder drags. :O My thoughts on ergonomics for drawing have updated a bit since the video, and so now Im a huge proponent of "whatever works for you works". Also might want to try drawing on your lap. Good luck!
@@MarkDavidTeo Yeah, I guess it's basically finding what suits you the best. Thanks :D
Great video, thank you so much for the tips!
Glad it helped! :D
So it wasn’t even really my wrist hurting, it was my pinky and ring finger, soon as I started holding it like you suggested in the video a lot of the tension I was feeling wasn’t there! Damn!
Yeaaaaaaaaaaah bro!!! I hope it lasts!!!
i hate my arm cuz i cant huse my arm cuz it shakes to mutch so i have to use my wrist for my drawing to look good (im new so dont judge) and after a while my wrist hurts so mutch,
but then i used a glove and my wrist and it doesnt hurt (i only draw a little bit per day)
I didn't like those gloves, so i just tape drawing paper on my tablet! it works really well
trying to draw with my shoulder is hard and I can't control it at all .. does it get better 😭 but thank you for these my wrists have always had problems and it made it painful and frustrating to draw.. I've been trying wrist stretches everyday and it's been helping a lot!
Good luck with your wrist! And yeah! Actually, drawing with your shoulder will help get straighter lines, especially when you draw bigger! It's from a further away pivot! Good luck!
@@marachannel12 :O It depends how small! But if your wrist hurts, you might want to try drawing bigger! Or if you must use a really small surface you can try drawing with your elbow? shoulder > elbow > wrist
Thanks!
thanks for the hep
great video! Thanks. and you're hilarious!!
shit, i forgot i don't have a glove, but that aside, thanks for the video, people like you who find their own solutions to their own problems, that i admire quite a bit, y'know, i look forward to improving and being comftable thanks to you
YEEE! im glad! Thanks man!
yeet, my guy
BRUHHHHH BRUH BRUH
brotha, u strange, im hooked now
hahaha cheers! Imma 'rebrand' and do 1 minute tutorial vids! Do you have any ideas?
this a nice video for how to use tablet pens i sculpt in zbrush btw
Hey thanks man! :D Good luck with your wrist hey! Take care!
I;m typing this comment wqith my fist and it already feels much better
Impressed. But worried...
I used to give my friend a lot of shit for her weird pen holding technique, but it turns out taht it's actually good for you so I guess I owe her an apology now
You definitely do LOL.
@@MarkDavidTeo The deed is done, i no longer feel guilty 😂
kate chaste niCE
thank you so much
Glad I helped dude! Good luck with the wrist!!!
Thank you so much! You saved me from despair
I’ve been told my grip is weird and it just turns out perhaps it’s part of what prevented me from having major issues with my drawing hand! I’ve always been holding the pen resting it on the third finger.
The reason why I’m watching this though is that I happen to have pain on my other (non-dominant) wrist, cause I use that hand for the keyboard shortcuts :/ anyone else?
😭
same here, with these videos i'm no longer having pain problems in my knuckles when holding the pencil, however my left hand gets more wrist pain from the shortcut keys i'm using when drawing, it's annoying.
I’m 33 and feeling like this.. it’s not fun
sheeet dude, hope you find a fix!
oo nice. thanks a lot. will do the fingerless glove!
No worries man! Let me know how it goes :D
P.S. Back in Perth, we can have a jam sometime :)
The wrist exercises had a sexual vibe to it haha
This video is great haha
hell yeah! Thanks man!
i probably don't draw enough... orz
lolololololol #templatelife
Tried moving the stylus down a finger, I was like "mind blown". I think I might be able to do "fist drawing" XD but it's so weird I probably won't.
Thomas Kee Baha! I hope it helps. Gotta take care of dat wrist!!!
Thankyou sir !!!!