Some exact numbers for people. I just did a bunch of testing and found that a seer with 235% crit damage (and one set of cruel gear in case that matters) will use karma burn if her team has 22 total buffs and the enemy wave on level 20 has defense down. I also placed 20 total debuffs on the wave. She would use her crit buff if there were only 21 buffs. I achieved this by using BEK (10 buffs), Arbiter (5 buffs), Stag Knight (DEF Down), a divine set on BEK (1 buff), a divine set on Renegade (1 buff), and a shield set on renegade (5 buffs). YES divine sets stack with shield set and count separately!! Additional note: when I used Zargala in place of Stag Knight, it no longer worked. The difference is Stag Knight also places ATK Down. So debuffs count, which is not obvious from the tooltip to me. This means for my run, BEK's 10 poisons also factor into things. It also means Zargala's damage from her A3 does not factor in much (and my Zargala hits pretty dang hard).
The key is not number of buffs, it's because Mausoleum Mage is providing a crit rate buff. If you replace him with a different champ that throws up two buffs, she will use her A2 to add the crit rate buff.
Hey Stew , Since you consider crit dmg to be not that important anymore, do you think helmsmasher could be better for her masteries? to help with the runs on the boss, since most of the time she is gonna be the single damage dealer in this type of composition?
Thank you so much for showing me. It was driving me crazy. I have had her for so long but couldn’t use her because of the AI. Do you know how much crit damage would be needed with savage gear?
Also its apparently not a cut and dry 4 buffs and she will Karma Burn...I tried Bad El, Renegade, Seer, Gorgorab and Tayrel (for defense down)...with a shield set on Renegade. So I've got the shields, 2 continuous heals from BEK and Gorgorab's atk buff, and she still opts for the a2 first. Its probably a matter of her crit damage only being around 190, but I'll have to do more testing.
Great vid. Now can you explain to me why Madame Serris uses her a2 instead of her a3 first in dragons 🐉 only its really weird how her a1 works in Dragon.
Mine only has 198 CD and she has no problem wiping the waves. I have 1 cruel set and 2 CD sets on her. Running Bad El, Seer, Mage, Renegade, and Tayrel.
MY problem is, at the Dragon itself, sometimes she removes the buffs the wrong time, and the dragon wipes the team. Tried it with RG, Seer, McMonster, Gorg, Warmaiden. Waves are dieing fast tho. My Kael, RG, Gorg, McMonster, Warmaiden team is much more reliable, kills the dragon in 2:00-2:30 usually.
my team: siphi,venus,RG,seer,renegade...it was working,but bcz renegade was dying on dragon,i decided to give him some hp gloves in exchange of 9 speed...then seer decided she doesnt has to cast karma burn...(my guess is bcz renegade was tougher)
Does Seer actually 'crit' without hitting the opponent? The animation looks that way and that mechanic actually breaks a lot of different units and buffs if that's how it works.
@@mjeckley14 no. not exactly no. but just make sure shes faster than the wave obvisously and jsut give her 100 crit rate and as much crit damage with sub stats of attack. damage damage damage no accuracy or defense of health. if you get her right you wont take damage and you'll be doing 5 second campaign runs. NO LIE
I maxed her. But I have more problems: 1. Her automatic gameplay programed wrong way. 2. In arena her damage is not reliable. Sometimes everything goes perfect and she melts enemies, but sometimes she don't remove all buffs or not matter how many buff she remove she deal very few damage. I don't know what influence her damage but it is really annoying. I'm pretty sure her damage is buged some way. Plarium dom't answer ofc they only want our money and giving an empty support part....
I see your Mausoleum Mage and Gorgorab 4 buff+def down combo works but I don't know anymore... these mechanics piss me off... I have 4 buffs, aoe def down, and Seer (293% cdmg/101% crit rate/174 speed) still uses her A2 first. My team is Seer, Madame Serris, Arbiter with shield gear, Fellhound for 2 buffs and a Coldheart. Tried Warmaiden instead of MS and it's still the same. Don't have any other buffer with more than 1 buff.
Im sure you figured it out by now, but for anybody new who comes to this video: Number of buffs is irrelevant to her using A3. She only uses her A3 first if there is a crit rate buff on her, which maus. mage gives. Otherwise she will use her A2. You could also just set Karma Burn to priority now.
@@cornholio9995 good thing I'm playing a game with clear skill descriptions and modifiers, and not this slobby garbage anymore. however, many thanks for the effort
Man, I need this champ. You sound like The Sugeon General warning people about what gear not to use. Just because you see my champ in this gear doesn't mean you should gear them the same....WARNING.
You are telling me that you don't have time to finish the dragon runs you do during the video? -.- easily could finish the run and then cut it into parts for the video? ..
Some exact numbers for people.
I just did a bunch of testing and found that a seer with 235% crit damage (and one set of cruel gear in case that matters) will use karma burn if her team has 22 total buffs and the enemy wave on level 20 has defense down. I also placed 20 total debuffs on the wave. She would use her crit buff if there were only 21 buffs.
I achieved this by using BEK (10 buffs), Arbiter (5 buffs), Stag Knight (DEF Down), a divine set on BEK (1 buff), a divine set on Renegade (1 buff), and a shield set on renegade (5 buffs). YES divine sets stack with shield set and count separately!!
Additional note: when I used Zargala in place of Stag Knight, it no longer worked. The difference is Stag Knight also places ATK Down. So debuffs count, which is not obvious from the tooltip to me. This means for my run, BEK's 10 poisons also factor into things. It also means Zargala's damage from her A3 does not factor in much (and my Zargala hits pretty dang hard).
This is interesting especially the part about the atk down increasing damage. I noticed the same, with an extra debuff making a difference
Excellent content!!
So good to see the testing evidence live.
Switching around champs to compare the what if scenarios. Love it.
im watching this and yet I dont have Seer
I have 3 Seers but do not have Royal Guard, Mausoleum Mage, Renegade..
First world problems
Thank you soo much! I could not get seer to use her A3 for the life of me... i watched this and BOOM waves are DEAD! thank you!
So glad you made this. My Seer lazy AF.
The key is not number of buffs, it's because Mausoleum Mage is providing a crit rate buff. If you replace him with a different champ that throws up two buffs, she will use her A2 to add the crit rate buff.
Seeing as the requirements for Renegade are so low ... would putting her in the shield set be a better option ?
At last a youtuber that talk straight to the point. No bullshit no mumbling and very informative. Thank you
Hey Stew , Since you consider crit dmg to be not that important anymore, do you think helmsmasher could be better for her masteries? to help with the runs on the boss, since most of the time she is gonna be the single damage dealer in this type of composition?
So jealous on the way Seer clears those waves
comment ! stew do you have skill tons on renegade ??
Excellent vid Stew! Thank you! Keep up the great work!
Hi! What substitutes would you consider for gorgorab and renegade? Would painkeeper work? what other champs can place 3 buffs at once?
A question, why not use Stag Knight for decrease defense?
Thank u been driving me crazy since your first video
Thank you so much for showing me. It was driving me crazy. I have had her for so long but couldn’t use her because of the AI. Do you know how much crit damage would be needed with savage gear?
Thankyou I needed this,this is the exact problem I been having
Great value yet again Stew! Keep it up! Trying my best to provide the value to the community that you do! Got big goals I know lol
Sooo much helpful! Thanks stew!
Yes! Needed this guide!
Also its apparently not a cut and dry 4 buffs and she will Karma Burn...I tried Bad El, Renegade, Seer, Gorgorab and Tayrel (for defense down)...with a shield set on Renegade. So I've got the shields, 2 continuous heals from BEK and Gorgorab's atk buff, and she still opts for the a2 first. Its probably a matter of her crit damage only being around 190, but I'll have to do more testing.
Thank you stew this helped me a ton :)
Great video again 👍 Is it possible with seducer instead of mausoleum mage?
Great vid. Now can you explain to me why Madame Serris uses her a2 instead of her a3 first in dragons 🐉 only its really weird how her a1 works in Dragon.
Eye opening. Thanks. She needs 4 buffs. Not 3. But at least 4.
New Vergis with Seer? wouldnt that work wonders as far as making sure u have the buffs for it
Would 2 Seers be viable if you dont have a cooldown reset champ?
I have the Seer... but not the Mausoleum Mage. Any ideas on who I could use instead of him?
Great stuff Stew :)
I have vergis and skullcrusher, is that just too much, are they compatible?
Mine only has 198 CD and she has no problem wiping the waves. I have 1 cruel set and 2 CD sets on her. Running Bad El, Seer, Mage, Renegade, and Tayrel.
Stew gaming just pulled a valkyrie I am so hype fire knight just got easier I have lyssandra too its lit I pulled a 1 time no wammy
i have the exact same setup, exact same stats, on manual seer oneshots the wave, on auto does not do karma burn
How would black knight work out
Renegade is a great candidate for shield gear
Please help.....freaking valk waves in dt hard killing me. Can't get buffed and nuke because valkerie
I kill waves very fast but how to kill drake? Lyss+seer+rene(50)+mausoleum+warmaiden(40)
I don't have Mausoleum Mage. What are some other champs that work well with Seer?
anyone who buffs or debuffs
What happends if tou don't have masuleom mage
MY problem is, at the Dragon itself, sometimes she removes the buffs the wrong time, and the dragon wipes the team. Tried it with RG, Seer, McMonster, Gorg, Warmaiden. Waves are dieing fast tho.
My Kael, RG, Gorg, McMonster, Warmaiden team is much more reliable, kills the dragon in 2:00-2:30 usually.
same here. I run Gorgorab, Tayrel, RG, Seer and Apothecary...sometimes the waves are fast but dragon wipes the group lol
@@Bangpaulxu surely you both are talking about mausoleum mage not gorgorab?
It's like royal guard on clan boss or dragon that does a1 and a3 instead of a2 (takedown)
You may have worked this out by now but Royal hates using his A2 unless decrease defense is on the boss first
my team: siphi,venus,RG,seer,renegade...it was working,but bcz renegade was dying on dragon,i decided to give him some hp gloves in exchange of 9 speed...then seer decided she doesnt has to cast karma burn...(my guess is bcz renegade was tougher)
I run my seer with Nicolas and Warlord (yes im lucky on pulls) and she is an absolute beast lol
I guess it's a speed run only with the waves, Seer is not so fast in killing the dragon himself. So, this really only works with BEK
The only thing that's bad about this video is that it ends.
Hey Stew, does she have to be Booked in order to work?
Every champion has to. At least by cooldowns. Masteries also are needed.
My seer crit damage 222
Savage gauntlet 65%
Savage gear & crit damage gear
Alot of buffs still not clearing
Just got a seer 5min ago and rushed here😃
why does madam uses her a2 and not her a3 on auto ?
seer must have crit up and atleast 3 total buffs to use her a3
Why not just put the shield set on the Renegade?
Does Seer actually 'crit' without hitting the opponent? The animation looks that way and that mechanic actually breaks a lot of different units and buffs if that's how it works.
Yes she crits. The description of the skill says "attacks all enemies " so it does proc crits
Hey is queen Eva good???
yes but only for campaign. she is 10 out of 5 for campaign
Adam do you know what gear is best
Get her crit rate, crit damage and attack
@@PowaBaua THATS IT really
@@mjeckley14 no. not exactly no. but just make sure shes faster than the wave obvisously and jsut give her 100 crit rate and as much crit damage with sub stats of attack. damage damage damage no accuracy or defense of health. if you get her right you wont take damage and you'll be doing 5 second campaign runs. NO LIE
Why my seer don't use A3 first, even if she can clear all wave. (20 bufs, def break from zargala, 260 CD) ?
seer need 5 buffs or more on each champ to auto karma burn
you need a crit rate buff already up
Madame never does a3 first on auto, even when they have no buffs to steal she still does her a2
She does do a3 on some occasions. I'm not sure which, maybe the number of buffs, or some particular buff on the enemy. We need Stew to investigate :)
Do I need to book her A2? (A1 and A3 full)
If u want
I maxed her. But I have more problems:
1. Her automatic gameplay programed wrong way.
2. In arena her damage is not reliable. Sometimes everything goes perfect and she melts enemies, but sometimes she don't remove all buffs or not matter how many buff she remove she deal very few damage. I don't know what influence her damage but it is really annoying. I'm pretty sure her damage is buged some way. Plarium dom't answer ofc they only want our money and giving an empty support part....
I see your Mausoleum Mage and Gorgorab 4 buff+def down combo works but I don't know anymore... these mechanics piss me off... I have 4 buffs, aoe def down, and Seer (293% cdmg/101% crit rate/174 speed) still uses her A2 first. My team is Seer, Madame Serris, Arbiter with shield gear, Fellhound for 2 buffs and a Coldheart.
Tried Warmaiden instead of MS and it's still the same. Don't have any other buffer with more than 1 buff.
the problem for me is madam using her aoe instead of debuffs first
Im sure you figured it out by now, but for anybody new who comes to this video: Number of buffs is irrelevant to her using A3. She only uses her A3 first if there is a crit rate buff on her, which maus. mage gives. Otherwise she will use her A2. You could also just set Karma Burn to priority now.
@@cornholio9995 good thing I'm playing a game with clear skill descriptions and modifiers, and not this slobby garbage anymore. however, many thanks for the effort
Man, I need this champ. You sound like The Sugeon General warning people about what gear not to use. Just because you see my champ in this gear doesn't mean you should gear them the same....WARNING.
You almost have 1billion coin...
It's not that much that you imagine, but is sufficient for some set upgrades.
Early mid game quid pls for free to playplay no special epics
You are telling me that you don't have time to finish the dragon runs you do during the video? -.- easily could finish the run and then cut it into parts for the video? ..
Any champion you recommend that can replace moseleum mage? Dont have him
I use Frost King + minaya, but it doesn't work on auto becuase FW does aoe first
Still confused what you're wanna show dude...😝
all this wasted energy for canceld fights O_O
Why do you even use Seer dude? It's one of the worst champions in this anal game.