Hey Brian and ETR staff: I'm a licensed insurance agent here in Indiana and I recently quoted an operation similar to yours. The liability package (including FELA) was about $47k for the year and that did not include any cargo or property coverage. So when you say it is crazy expensive, you're not kidding. I like the idea of the building materials transload; outside the box yet practical. Enjoy your videos, keep up the great work!
The quote i did had to be brokered out through an Excess & Surplus brokerage firm as none of our in-house would touch a railroad on the liability. Interestingly enough, we do have a company that will write the buildings located on RR property without liability coverage. But, back to the liability end of things. Since this particular quote was through an outside broker, there are payment options available including monthly payment plans. HOWEVER...when we write a brokered-out policy of this magnitude, they do not offer direct bill, but rather go through a premium finance company. They charge a fee that is akin a credit card interest rate on a monthly payment. So now, not only do you have the $47k premium amount broken into 12 payments, but now you also have a roughly 18-20% fee (interest rate) tacked on. It doesn't help the premium when the company is new also. After 3 years or thereabouts, you can usually find better alternatives.
As usual, a very nice demo of some railroad basics. It seems as though transloading is a big thing now that so many industries no longer have their own sidings. So it's probably an avenue worth investigating if you have good road access there. Cheers from Wisconsin.
Back in the very early days of Conrail, they derailed the lead truck of an SD4 on a siding in my hometown. They spent the better part of a day trying to rerail it with wood blocks. Finally, they set up the big hook on a parallel track and lifted the front end and set it back on the tracks. Seemed like it only took less than 10 minutes once they were set up. Really enjoy your videos. As a retired accountant, do hope you can start generating revenue soon, you have a tremendous investment in what you have accomplished to date.
Yes that's fast! But bringing in equipment is expensive, and fast! Once the side booms are set up Hulcher and Corman can be as fast as 4 or 5 min a car!
Brian, you might want to connect with some of the larger short lines that have made hay with trans-load operations as they usually have national locations that they need for current customers that have nationwide requirements ... I'm thinking Corman, Savage, Reading, Blue Mountain and Northern (anthracite coal for industry) for example. Possibly a Joint Venture operation, but they bring the Capital, you have the location ...
Those who derail-rerail. Several years ago a crew failed to set the handbrake on a tank car that was set out at the ammonia plant in Inver Grove Heights, MN. They also failed to set the derail on that track. The car rolled and went down grade all the way to the locomotive facility in South St. Paul, MN. The car was damaged as was a locomotive that was parked on that track. There were no injuries. Do derails serve a purpose? Oh, yes.
Great information shared there, Brian. Thank you for sharing. Also, I am pretty comfortable saying we all appreciate your sense of humor. Keep it up-and good luck!
Interesting to see the items even we lineside laymen have seen and have a grasp of the concept and purpose of the derail in actual use and then to see the flip side of cleaning up the aftermath with the rerailer.
Almost all of the rerailing I've been involved with (as an engineer) has been done with oak wedges. Our carmen were really good at rerailing stuff, they had enough practice (not usually my fault, though). The old SD7 I had for switcher power was the best unit for rerailing, lots of grunt at low speeds and very predictable. Have a safe day!
Your bang on. This is a very rare method of re railing. An old wood box car on the ground?No problem with a few chunks of hard wood and a push. I've seen this done at a museum here in Edmonton Canada more than once. Another good lesson on the basics of railway procedures and skill sets.
Re the loading dock, you've identified a critical piece of required infrastructure to increase business options. It's not my railway but consider rebuilding the missing lead and repurpose one lead and build a loading dock where you can get easy road access. Sometimes in life it isn't worth doing things on the cheap. Getting a loading platform built quickly is only going to increase your business potential. Every day that it isn't there is a day you can't earn from the ETR - all other impediments considered.
This Video is great. Thanks for the Education lesson. We use in Germany a Brake Shoe (called "Hemmschuh") item to prevent Cars from running away. But of course we have also derailers. Mostly on seldom used sidings. There we need a key to open this derailers. They are mostly painted red. With Best regards Matthias
Great video as usual. Thank you for sharing. As long as you are considering shingles you should look at bricks too.. and pipes. Can’t wait to see you first transload. Hope your next episode is sooner than later.
@@eastterminalrailway5975 looks like you need to do another weed remover on the line the tracks are getting over grown again time to get the weed killer out.
One time I remember a car came off in the yard at the local museum (rotten ties spread under it). We had to get some big old cast jacks to lift the car up enough, then shim the wheels with tie plates long enough to raise the jacks and then go at it again. Eventually the truck was high enough to run a chain to the tractor on the other side of the fence, and heave the truck back on the rails. Not something I want to do often.
Good stuff as usual. Thanks for the lesson, very interesting. Its a shame that insurance may hold you back on one avenue but you still have possibilities. Stay cool!
Thanks for the derail/rerail lessons. I've seen the rerail procedures several times. As for a trans load or bulk unloading/storage idea, it is a good idea if you can find a local supplier or better yet, a regional chain of supply stores. I'm in Ontario very close to Niagara Falls and one of our local suppliers uses a trans load facility in Fort Erie to unload boxcar loads of shingles and store them until they're shipped out by trucks. Very feasible idea
I worked for a short-line. We had me(conductor/track crew) an engineer and one track guy. We kept these on the engine and I got really good at put them back up. We always derailed on the short days when we thought we could go home early.
I worked in a major rail car manufacturer. I was a conductor on the extensive plant rail system . We had derailments every day ...sometimes multiple cars on the ground on tight curves . I found that chains hooked to the switch engine and hooked to the side frame... of the wheel that is on the exterior of the track...gets the best results. The chain forces the wheel to climb the direction towards the rail head. 6x6 , 4x4 , 2x4 , dunnage is your best friend ! Good video .
Excellent demo of basic railroad process and equipment! Sorry about your insurance problems, but understandable given the nature of today's society - the vandalism of your loco being an excellent example. Hang in there guys, with your combined spirit, you'll find something that will work. Really enjoy the channel.
Derails are made to fit rails from 1/2 in below to 1/2 inch over the height of the rail on which it is installed including the tie plate thickness. The 6 inch size is good for rail and plates from 5 1/2 in to 6 1/2 in high. You will need to store shingles under a cover or use a tarp to keep the paper banding-lable dry and inside a fenced area for security. Sand, stone, or other rock would be a likely commodity to unload and store. An over-the-rail conveyor is available and relatively inexpensive using electricity or motor driven.
Worked for the Chessie System in the 80’s. Car depart. would rerail everything with wood blocks except for road engines. That’s when the crane showed up.
Thank you what a great demonstration great to be on the ETR I wish I was living near i would be over every Saturday to help on the ETR looks like great enjoyment way better than model trains .
Look into sand & stone loading/unloading as well. Most can be offloaded with belts and excavators fairly easily. Would be easy to build a loading dock/ ramp with cross ties and earth fill. Concrete slab top surface to handle lumber, shingles or pipe.
I would add Baled/bagged Peat Moss/Potting Soil/Mulch (usually in plastic and overlayed in plastic sheathing) for independent Lawn and Garden store distributors ...
Great Video Brian! Kinda bummed to hear about how expensive the insurance is. I think that is way to high, for the revenue you could expect from car storage. I know some people abuse insurance in some markets. I am from Florida where homeowners insurance is skyrocketing partly from fear of increased severe weather (Global Warming) and bad government regulations that for too long has let unscrupulous contractors fleece the insurance companies. I really hope a solution presents itself at some point so you can do both car storage, transloading and feed freight to online industry. Thank you for the video! Really enjoyed it. I am also looking forward to more videos on the MoW equipment you and grant bought and will be restoring.
Another great video. Thank you for posting very informative. I'm sure someone on here has or sells insurance that can help you out of this issue. I do know railroad insurance is very expensive as my buddy works for NS in Atlanta. NS has plenty of derailment millions of dollars of inventory and cars get demolished per year along with home and environmental cleanup. Your rail storage isn't that bad only a one mile stretch yet storing cars full or empty can be expensive not sure if you can recoup the income off the insurance expense. Keep us posted and stay safe
@@eastterminalrailway5975 I agree storage is very simple. Here in Cincinnati we has a short line rail that was serviced by NS or NW for years. They backed out of the line in the early 90s and now lease it to the CCET. NS thought the line would eventually die but the CCET aggressively marketed this line to the few companies on it. It paid off they now service 8 small companies and do plenty of rail storage. Soon Purinia will open its brand new plant on the line adding 5 day a week business for the CCET. As you know Jaw Tooth shoots plenty of videos on this line. 78 miles of track is now open a far cry from the 48 it started with several years ago. I suspect from what I have read in the comments someone here can give you insurance at a better rate. That is my hope
As a kid I witnessed the crew from a Penn Central train, re-rail a boxcar using rocks from a creek. End of the 60s in the Catskill mountains of NY. Guys were awesome, but tracks were in bad, bad shape !!
On the shingle question, I used to do residential roofing years ago before going back to school. Believe me when I say that wet shingles are very uncomfortable to work with. They are heavier, the rock that comes loose sticks to your hands, they get your clothes wet and the steam that comes off when the sun hits them makes 90 degrees feel like 120. I have opened many packs that had been stored outside to find fungus and mold growing on them. I know they wrap them with plastic now to try to prevent this but it doesn't work. More often than not, the plastic is damaged during loading, transporting, and unloading. Plastic is actually worse than the old paper wrapping because once the moisture gets in it's nearly impossible for it to get back out. My recommendation if you're going to store shingles is to build cheap pole barns, as many or as big you need, to store them out of the weather. Millions of roofers across the country will thank you for it.
I was going to say something similar. Most of the building yards here have covered storage for everything. No sides so you can drive a truck or fork inside. That way you can easily store lumber, plywood, whatever. Advertise it. Covered storage-because we care about quality.
Thanks for this informative and short lesson in derailing and re-railing tools! I'm going to make a set for my little outdoor railroad shops to have on the ready! =D=
Good to see you at work on the railroad! BULK PRODUCT!!!! YES!!!!!! However I would suggest COMPOSITE shingles....out here in California we have CEMENT shingles....they are SOOoooo real... Another product that was one of the LAST freight customers here on the NorthWestern Pacific Railroad San Rafael California branch was something called PACIFIC SUPPLY.....yes they did roofing materials distribution...not just shingles but bulk felt paper for walls and paper for roofs as well as sheet insulation for walls and of course bulk battens of insulation rolls....all delivered by rail.Also had the bagged TAR and bulk bagged gravel for roofers as well as Pallets of boxes for roofing nails. BEST OF LUCK TO YOUR ENDEAVOURS!!!!!!
Yes it is comes with a rechargeable power supply so that when you have track emergency repairs you can put out portable derailer in case someone doesn't get the word
BNSF has a derail system at Ft. Madison they engage when the bridge over the Mississippi River is open. Here's a video showing that: th-cam.com/video/9RM7REpOjvc/w-d-xo.html Skip ahead to about 4:09 to see it close
I have enjoyed your videos since the beginning. Lot of knowledge shared and you keep it real! I'm Not sure where to ask this question so I'll just drop it here. Perhaps you can shed some like on something I've noticed recently. I drive by a coal power plant daily and like to see what the trains are up to. I've noticed recently that rather than having the train come in and depart the yard with the usual two locomotives up front and one in the rear, they have now reversed that with one lead and two trailing. What might the reason for this?
not only shingles, but lumber from both box cars and center beams. Watch the Strasburg railroad some time on VRF. They get Railbox cars in almost every day for unloading.
Center beam cars have to be loaded and unloaded alternately from one side then the other or the car is likely to turn over from being overloaded on only one side. Both sides of center beams have to be accessible.
Great video, regarding the long switch tie, use a chain saw cut it up don't try to save it, too much work. You still must cut a long trench to install the new tie.
My dads dad was train engineer. Im just a fan of all old iron. Cool vid. I figured you could use some oak planks to rerail and figured there were tools for that but cool to see them in action. Hope you figure out the insurance. It can be tuff.
That is what killed the deal I was working on years ago, No one would insure me for the railroad and if they did quote a price there was no way of ever making any money. But ware your located you do have some options for doing other things than storing cars, But you got to think about what access do you have to city streets and what impact will you have other business around you, If you have to cross another property to access the road you might run into a problem. But I like the out of the box thinking , Shows a smart business mind . Bandit
@@eastterminalrailway5975 As they say there is more than one way to skin a cat. You have a railroad and you might not be able to do what you wanted to do but you might be able to do something else that might make more money doing something else with it. Maybe a roll in car repair shop with plenty of track to store cars to be worked on ? Just a thought. Bandit
I don't know how it is done in the USA but in Europe it is a good practice to install wooden beams alongside the rails near the derail, at height somewhat smaller than rails. They act as an intermediate step in falling from the rails and reduce damage to the ties and the flanges of derailed wagons. Their ends could be even sloped down to derail as smoothly as possible. So I strongly advise mounting such beams when you install the derail at the final location 😉
Prob. The best way to go would be transload to start with because of insurance, might be a good idea to have 2 or 3 tracks for sidings so that when you get cars dropped of from your interchange point you can put them in a siding , and there unloaded ones that you have on another track can be ready to go to drop off at your interchange point, and prob. Would be a could ideal to have an area to do the unloading and have storage for the cargo like cheap barns or sheds to keep out of the conditions until someone comes to collect the products when ready.
We now have a spilt point derail connected to a US&S A-5 Elctro pneumatic switch, right at the end of a big yard. Also since it is in the interlockering once thrown reverse it will go back (normal, Derail) over after 40 secons with no train, using the track circuit as detection. it has done its thing and taken some damage, but we replace stuff.
On my daily commute thru Tampa, I drove by an abandoned siding, that ended at the next street. No derailleurs, or stops were installed on the track. One morning, the street was blocked by a boxcar. Some operator failed to stop, and pushed the car off the end of the track, and up onto the road.
Have you considered attaching the rail cart axle you had a couple episodes ago to the blade on the Mini ex? Seems like a somewhat simple start to a hi rail kit. If there was another means of motive power the bucket could push down on a cart and make it an ungainly sort of trailer.
I hate flipflop derails. Ive seen cars go right through them. Many are small and lighter and get tore out by the car or Locomotive. My first interaction had a brakeman not take one off and the engine removed it..lol
Hi: I like your show; it's a reality show!! You could make a fixed thumb; that fits onto the lower boom arm! you could have some bits welded on to the arm, so's the thumb would lock in place with a clamp or two!! Make it narrow, with teeth.... a socket with different fittings.... one could hold a tie, and use it to grade the balast....
The insurance that you need is typically available from a wholesaler, which your agent should have access to. I know that Nationwide in your area has a wholesale company called Scottsdale.
Even without storing cars and having liability for them and/or their contents, you'll still be stuck with some kind of insurance for your transloading operation. Have you been able to parse that out yet to see how this all pencils out?
Were there a lot of train derailments in Burlington that earned its name? Also how far away would you install a derailer from an obstruction? Thanks,enjoy the content.
That's a great question! I don't know the origin of the Burlington name for this item. As for where to put it, they are usually way out at the end of an industrial spur, it would be the "last option" to stop an even worse event from happening. Brian
OK, how is leaving roofing materials out in the weather good for them? Weather extremes and uv rays are main causes of deterioration? I am just a homeowner who recently had a reshingle job done on my home.
Braided cables might be needed, if the truck gets twisted/turned to the point that the frogs can't catch the flange. Seen/helped on one rerailing where that was required. Hook it up, pull the truck back in line, hope it doesn't bust. Very sketchy operation. Oh yeah, bring back the freight houses, where the ltcl (less than car load) stuff was handled
I worked for a shortline company for almost 12 years in management I can tell you insurance is very expensive, there are only 2 companies that will write policies for Railroads, a policy runs between $45,000 and $50,000 a year for basic liability coverage not including buildings or equipment.
The Safety Committee is VERY proud of our cone and its small but important part in reminding all ETR crew to stay safe out there on the "High Iron" (nod to Danny Harmon). Next in the works will be the unveiling of the new sign indicating how many days the ETR has gone without an accident. That will be followed by a Safety Committee de-brief at Waffle House.
Brain great point on Transloads Facilities for ETR IN "CAPITOL PRESS RELEASE " approximately,,They had a article on teaming with DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FROM WASHINGTON AND OREGON STATES ON TRANSLOADS FACILITIES GRANTS ..IT BE WONDERFUL IF THE STATE IN ETR OFFERS THIS TO ??$
Hey Bryan me and some of the track crew at Norfolk an Southern at Muncie indiana yard wants to know any new vidoes coming out and do you have a rail speeder
Well.we have 3 Rail Speeders here sitting on a siding . All 3 have not been used in the last 15 years we will over haul a Speeder and paint it out maintenance shop. What color would you want for a Speeder. My Name is Bill.
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Thank you for sharing. Very enjoyable safety meeting.
All I can say is THE ETR Safety Cone remained in place for the entire debacle! Again we are taken to class by class. God Speed ETR!
Hey Brian and ETR staff: I'm a licensed insurance agent here in Indiana and I recently quoted an operation similar to yours. The liability package (including FELA) was about $47k for the year and that did not include any cargo or property coverage. So when you say it is crazy expensive, you're not kidding. I like the idea of the building materials transload; outside the box yet practical. Enjoy your videos, keep up the great work!
Chuck Thanks for weighing in, insurance is a big factor. Brian
$47k wow, thats basically a grand a week.. how is payment required upfront or quarterly. ?
The quote i did had to be brokered out through an Excess & Surplus brokerage firm as none of our in-house would touch a railroad on the liability. Interestingly enough, we do have a company that will write the buildings located on RR property without liability coverage. But, back to the liability end of things. Since this particular quote was through an outside broker, there are payment options available including monthly payment plans. HOWEVER...when we write a brokered-out policy of this magnitude, they do not offer direct bill, but rather go through a premium finance company. They charge a fee that is akin a credit card interest rate on a monthly payment. So now, not only do you have the $47k premium amount broken into 12 payments, but now you also have a roughly 18-20% fee (interest rate) tacked on. It doesn't help the premium when the company is new also. After 3 years or thereabouts, you can usually find better alternatives.
As usual, a very nice demo of some railroad basics. It seems as though transloading is a big thing now that so many industries no longer have their own sidings. So it's probably an avenue worth investigating if you have good road access there. Cheers from Wisconsin.
Andrew Thank You for following, with the price of fuel and driver shortages trans load might be a great opportunity. Brian
Very nice Video! Have a great Sunday....Greetings from Switzerland
Back in the very early days of Conrail, they derailed the lead truck of an SD4 on a siding in my hometown. They spent the better part of a day trying to rerail it with wood blocks. Finally, they set up the big hook on a parallel track and lifted the front end and set it back on the tracks. Seemed like it only took less than 10 minutes once they were set up. Really enjoy your videos. As a retired accountant, do hope you can start generating revenue soon, you have a tremendous investment in what you have accomplished to date.
Yes that's fast! But bringing in equipment is expensive, and fast! Once the side booms are set up Hulcher and Corman can be as fast as 4 or 5 min a car!
Brian, you might want to connect with some of the larger short lines that have made hay with trans-load operations as they usually have national locations that they need for current customers that have nationwide requirements ... I'm thinking Corman, Savage, Reading, Blue Mountain and Northern (anthracite coal for industry) for example. Possibly a Joint Venture operation, but they bring the Capital, you have the location ...
I love how you explain the different railroad tools and equipment. Easy to understand. I'm sure the locomotive at 16:24 is an SD40-2.
You're such a great host, Brian :)
Thanks David! You can tell I like to teach? Brian
I love watching you guys get this rail ready to use. I'm looking forward for you having actual revenue service on your line.
Those who derail-rerail. Several years ago a crew failed to set the handbrake on a tank car that was set out at the ammonia plant in Inver Grove Heights, MN. They also failed to set the derail on that track. The car rolled and went down grade all the way to the locomotive facility in South St. Paul, MN. The car was damaged as was a locomotive that was parked on that track. There were no injuries. Do derails serve a purpose? Oh, yes.
Great story! Thanks for chiming in, the real life side of todays precautions. Brian
Great information shared there, Brian. Thank you for sharing. Also, I am pretty comfortable saying we all appreciate your sense of humor. Keep it up-and good luck!
Sean Thank you so much, I really like to teach and enjoy laying down quality humor now and then. B.
Very nice description. I have really enjoyed watching and learning from your videos. Thanks
Interesting to see the items even we lineside laymen have seen and have a grasp of the concept and purpose of the derail in actual use and then to see the flip side of cleaning up the aftermath with the rerailer.
Excellent demonstration. Always good learning to be had on this channel 👍
Thanks 👍
Except for how to spell intentional. Lol.
Almost all of the rerailing I've been involved with (as an engineer) has been done with oak wedges. Our carmen were really good at rerailing stuff, they had enough practice (not usually my fault, though). The old SD7 I had for switcher power was the best unit for rerailing, lots of grunt at low speeds and very predictable. Have a safe day!
Your bang on. This is a very rare method of re railing. An old wood box car on the ground?No problem with a few chunks of hard wood and a push. I've seen this done at a museum here in Edmonton Canada more than once. Another good lesson on the basics of railway procedures and skill sets.
Great class Brian. Once we @ railroad had to retail a 6 axle with tie plates. Fun. Keep the videos coming 🚂👍
Thanks! Will do!
Thanks, never understood the purpose of the derail or how it works. I've learnt something to day.
Re the loading dock, you've identified a critical piece of required infrastructure to increase business options.
It's not my railway but consider rebuilding the missing lead and repurpose one lead and build a loading dock where you can get easy road access. Sometimes in life it isn't worth doing things on the cheap. Getting a loading platform built quickly is only going to increase your business potential. Every day that it isn't there is a day you can't earn from the ETR - all other impediments considered.
This Video is great. Thanks for the Education lesson.
We use in Germany a Brake Shoe (called "Hemmschuh") item to prevent Cars from running away. But of course we have also derailers. Mostly on seldom used sidings. There we need a key to open this derailers. They are mostly painted red.
With Best regards
Matthias
Great video as usual. Thank you for sharing. As long as you are considering shingles you should look at bricks too.. and pipes.
Can’t wait to see you first transload.
Hope your next episode is sooner than later.
Hey that was great. A very well done class on derailment and on rerailing. 👍👍👍❤️
Many thanks!
@@eastterminalrailway5975 looks like you need to do another weed remover on the line the tracks are getting over grown again time to get the weed killer out.
Beautiful with all the green
One time I remember a car came off in the yard at the local museum (rotten ties spread under it). We had to get some big old cast jacks to lift the car up enough, then shim the wheels with tie plates long enough to raise the jacks and then go at it again. Eventually the truck was high enough to run a chain to the tractor on the other side of the fence, and heave the truck back on the rails. Not something I want to do often.
Good stuff as usual. Thanks for the lesson, very interesting. Its a shame that insurance may hold you back on one avenue but you still have possibilities. Stay cool!
Thanks Ed! B.
Transload sounds like a good idea. Would be cool to see some freight getting moved.
Thanks! You reminded me about long standing project for model railway. A re-railer. And it works now.
Thanks for the derail/rerail lessons. I've seen the rerail procedures several times. As for a trans load or bulk unloading/storage idea, it is a good idea if you can find a local supplier or better yet, a regional chain of supply stores. I'm in Ontario very close to Niagara Falls and one of our local suppliers uses a trans load facility in Fort Erie to unload boxcar loads of shingles and store them until they're shipped out by trucks. Very feasible idea
I worked for a short-line. We had me(conductor/track crew) an engineer and one track guy. We kept these on the engine and I got really good at put them back up. We always derailed on the short days when we thought we could go home early.
cfire12 Sorry but I laughed out loud at the "short day" comment! That seems like when these events happen! B.
I worked in a major rail car manufacturer. I was a conductor on the extensive plant rail system . We had derailments every day ...sometimes multiple cars on the ground on tight curves . I found that chains hooked to the switch engine and hooked to the side frame... of the wheel that is on the exterior of the track...gets the best results. The chain forces the wheel to climb the direction towards the rail head. 6x6 , 4x4 , 2x4 , dunnage is your best friend ! Good video .
Todd Yes, the pull from that direction brings the side frame in line with the rail and provides an upward force. Brian
great video
Thanks!
We used hard wood blocks and wedges most of the time. I only remember using the cast iron rerailers a few times.
Excellent demo of basic railroad process and equipment! Sorry about your insurance problems, but understandable given the nature of today's society - the vandalism of your loco being an excellent example. Hang in there guys, with your combined spirit, you'll find something that will work. Really enjoy the channel.
Peter thanks for your vote of confidence! Brian
Derails are made to fit rails from 1/2 in below to 1/2 inch over the height of the rail on which it is installed including the tie plate thickness. The 6 inch size is good for rail and plates from 5 1/2 in to 6 1/2 in high.
You will need to store shingles under a cover or use a tarp to keep the paper banding-lable dry and inside a fenced area for security. Sand, stone, or other rock would be a likely commodity to unload and store. An over-the-rail conveyor is available and relatively inexpensive using electricity or motor driven.
Interesting topic, great video and explanation!
Glad you liked it Dave! B.
Worked for the Chessie System in the 80’s. Car depart. would rerail everything with wood blocks except for road engines. That’s when the crane showed up.
John Those are the old timers that I spoke of! Its just the way it was done! Brian
Thank you what a great demonstration great to be on the ETR I wish I was living near i would be over every Saturday to help on the ETR looks like great enjoyment way better than model trains .
Thank You, for following. Brian
Fantastic demo! Thanks for sharing.
Look into sand & stone loading/unloading as well. Most can be offloaded with belts and excavators fairly easily. Would be easy to build a loading dock/ ramp with cross ties and earth fill. Concrete slab top surface to handle lumber, shingles or pipe.
I would add Baled/bagged Peat Moss/Potting Soil/Mulch (usually in plastic and overlayed in plastic sheathing) for independent Lawn and Garden store distributors ...
I write down all your words , it's a lot but worth every broken pencil. Keep on training !
I love this channel. It's cool and very informative.
And groovy
Great Video Brian! Kinda bummed to hear about how expensive the insurance is. I think that is way to high, for the revenue you could expect from car storage. I know some people abuse insurance in some markets. I am from Florida where homeowners insurance is skyrocketing partly from fear of increased severe weather (Global Warming) and bad government regulations that for too long has let unscrupulous contractors fleece the insurance companies.
I really hope a solution presents itself at some point so you can do both car storage, transloading and feed freight to online industry.
Thank you for the video! Really enjoyed it.
I am also looking forward to more videos on the MoW equipment you and grant bought and will be restoring.
Thanks Greg MOW equipment update coming up soon! B.
Learning alot. Great class. When is the Loco going to get paint?
R Thanks for asking, but I don't have an exact date. Brian
Another great video. Thank you for posting very informative.
I'm sure someone on here has or sells insurance that can help you out of this issue. I do know railroad insurance is very expensive as my buddy works for NS in Atlanta. NS has plenty of derailment millions of dollars of inventory and cars get demolished per year along with home and environmental cleanup.
Your rail storage isn't that bad only a one mile stretch yet storing cars full or empty can be expensive not sure if you can recoup the income off the insurance expense.
Keep us posted and stay safe
Thanks Les, its to bad because storing cars should be easy, they just sit there. No ware and tare, almost no chance of damage to the cars. B.
@@eastterminalrailway5975 I agree storage is very simple. Here in Cincinnati we has a short line rail that was serviced by NS or NW for years. They backed out of the line in the early 90s and now lease it to the CCET. NS thought the line would eventually die but the CCET aggressively marketed this line to the few companies on it. It paid off they now service 8 small companies and do plenty of rail storage. Soon Purinia will open its brand new plant on the line adding 5 day a week business for the CCET.
As you know Jaw Tooth shoots plenty of videos on this line. 78 miles of track is now open a far cry from the 48 it started with several years ago.
I suspect from what I have read in the comments someone here can give you insurance at a better rate. That is my hope
As a kid I witnessed the crew from a Penn Central train, re-rail a boxcar using rocks from a creek.
End of the 60s in the Catskill mountains of NY.
Guys were awesome, but tracks were in bad, bad shape !!
On the shingle question, I used to do residential roofing years ago before going back to school. Believe me when I say that wet shingles are very uncomfortable to work with. They are heavier, the rock that comes loose sticks to your hands, they get your clothes wet and the steam that comes off when the sun hits them makes 90 degrees feel like 120. I have opened many packs that had been stored outside to find fungus and mold growing on them. I know they wrap them with plastic now to try to prevent this but it doesn't work. More often than not, the plastic is damaged during loading, transporting, and unloading. Plastic is actually worse than the old paper wrapping because once the moisture gets in it's nearly impossible for it to get back out. My recommendation if you're going to store shingles is to build cheap pole barns, as many or as big you need, to store them out of the weather. Millions of roofers across the country will thank you for it.
Byron Good input ! Thank You. Brian
I was going to say something similar. Most of the building yards here have covered storage for everything. No sides so you can drive a truck or fork inside. That way you can easily store lumber, plywood, whatever. Advertise it. Covered storage-because we care about quality.
I am not a shingle person but I did demolition.... a wet shingle is like a sponge 🧽....
See if you can get Old Boxcar's to use as Transload Sheds!
Thanks for this informative and short lesson in derailing and re-railing tools! I'm going to make a set for my little outdoor railroad shops to have on the ready! =D=
Glad it was helpful!
I learned a lot from the in-service training! Is there a questionnaire I now have to complete before the next module?
Yes.....And its graded, suitable for hanging on the refrigerator. Brian
Good to see you at work on the railroad! BULK PRODUCT!!!! YES!!!!!! However I would suggest COMPOSITE shingles....out here in California we have CEMENT shingles....they are SOOoooo real...
Another product that was one of the LAST freight customers here on the NorthWestern Pacific Railroad San Rafael California branch was something called PACIFIC SUPPLY.....yes they did roofing materials distribution...not just shingles but bulk felt paper for walls and paper for roofs as well as sheet insulation for walls and of course bulk battens of insulation rolls....all delivered by rail.Also had the bagged TAR and bulk bagged gravel for roofers as well as Pallets of boxes for roofing nails. BEST OF LUCK TO YOUR ENDEAVOURS!!!!!!
Thank You Scott! Great intel. Brian
Have used a temporary derailer with a magnet grab it's prowered but great demo for those that don't know great video
Gary That's intresting...it would be portable that way. Brian
Yes it is comes with a rechargeable power supply so that when you have track emergency repairs you can put out portable derailer in case someone doesn't get the word
BNSF has a derail system at Ft. Madison they engage when the bridge over the Mississippi River is open. Here's a video showing that: th-cam.com/video/9RM7REpOjvc/w-d-xo.html
Skip ahead to about 4:09 to see it close
I have enjoyed your videos since the beginning. Lot of knowledge shared and you keep it real! I'm Not sure where to ask this question so I'll just drop it here. Perhaps you can shed some like on something I've noticed recently. I drive by a coal power plant daily and like to see what the trains are up to. I've noticed recently that rather than having the train come in and depart the yard with the usual two locomotives up front and one in the rear, they have now reversed that with one lead and two trailing. What might the reason for this?
not only shingles, but lumber from both box cars and center beams. Watch the Strasburg railroad some time on VRF. They get Railbox cars in almost every day for unloading.
Center beam cars have to be loaded and unloaded alternately from one side then the other or the car is likely to turn over from being overloaded on only one side. Both sides of center beams have to be accessible.
Great video, regarding the long switch tie, use a chain saw cut it up don't try to save it, too much work. You still must cut a long trench to install the new tie.
My dads dad was train engineer. Im just a fan of all old iron. Cool vid. I figured you could use some oak planks to rerail and figured there were tools for that but cool to see them in action. Hope you figure out the insurance. It can be tuff.
Joe Your Dad and many others like him made this a great industrial country. We should dedicate a good hard days work in their memory. Brian
That is what killed the deal I was working on years ago, No one would insure me for the railroad and if they did quote a price there was no way of ever making any money. But ware your located you do have some options for doing other things than storing cars, But you got to think about what access do you have to city streets and what impact will you have other business around you, If you have to cross another property to access the road you might run into a problem. But I like the out of the box thinking , Shows a smart business mind . Bandit
Bandit Thanks for the compliment, some days I wonder! Brian
@@eastterminalrailway5975 As they say there is more than one way to skin a cat. You have a railroad and you might not be able to do what you wanted to do but you might be able to do something else that might make more money doing something else with it. Maybe a roll in car repair shop with plenty of track to store cars to be worked on ? Just a thought. Bandit
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Great idea concerning a storage yard. You will still need insurance to protect your interest and that is not going to be cheap.
Good afternoon to all from SE Louisiana 4 Jun 22.
I don't know how it is done in the USA but in Europe it is a good practice to install wooden beams alongside the rails near the derail, at height somewhat smaller than rails. They act as an intermediate step in falling from the rails and reduce damage to the ties and the flanges of derailed wagons. Their ends could be even sloped down to derail as smoothly as possible. So I strongly advise mounting such beams when you install the derail at the final location 😉
Thank you! That's a good idea. Brian
Hey that was interesting good work thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Prob. The best way to go would be transload to start with because of insurance, might be a good idea to have 2 or 3 tracks for sidings so that when you get cars dropped of from your interchange point you can put them in a siding , and there unloaded ones that you have on another track can be ready to go to drop off at your interchange point, and prob. Would be a could ideal to have an area to do the unloading and have storage for the cargo like cheap barns or sheds to keep out of the conditions until someone comes to collect the products when ready.
We now have a spilt point derail connected to a US&S A-5 Elctro pneumatic switch, right at the end of a big yard. Also since it is in the interlockering once thrown reverse it will go back (normal, Derail) over after 40 secons with no train, using the track circuit as detection. it has done its thing and taken some damage, but we replace stuff.
High tech! B.
On my daily commute thru Tampa, I drove by an abandoned siding, that ended at the next street. No derailleurs, or stops were installed on the track. One morning, the street was blocked by a boxcar. Some operator failed to stop, and pushed the car off the end of the track, and up onto the road.
Surprise!! B.
Have you considered attaching the rail cart axle you had a couple episodes ago to the blade on the Mini ex? Seems like a somewhat simple start to a hi rail kit. If there was another means of motive power the bucket could push down on a cart and make it an ungainly sort of trailer.
I hate flipflop derails. Ive seen cars go right through them. Many are small and lighter and get tore out by the car or Locomotive.
My first interaction had a brakeman not take one off and the engine removed it..lol
Jings! That tank wagon was shifting! Do you what happened to the vehicle driver? And that tank wagon?
Hi:
I like your show; it's a reality show!!
You could make a fixed thumb; that fits onto the lower boom arm!
you could have some bits welded on to the arm, so's the thumb would lock in place with a clamp or two!!
Make it narrow, with teeth.... a socket with different fittings....
one could hold a tie, and use it to grade the balast....
Great video bro. I thinks penicillin is good for shingles. How did the steam show go. Safe travels
Ken It was good! Lots of orange shirts! We worked on the Wisc. engine. Watch for the update video. Brian
Any updates on the bulldozer restoration? Wind turbine possibilities?
The insurance that you need is typically available from a wholesaler, which your agent should have access to. I know that Nationwide in your area has a wholesale company called Scottsdale.
Even without storing cars and having liability for them and/or their contents, you'll still be stuck with some kind of insurance for your transloading operation. Have you been able to parse that out yet to see how this all pencils out?
Cool 😎
Reach out to S&S railroad in Farmington, Ut. They own a lot of rolling stock that leases across the country. Maybe they have a lead for insurance.
I have witness several trains being re-railed by using wood blocks. Saw an EL SD45 re-railed when it went off the rails that were out of gauge.
Its amazing to watch! B.
How often at the orange box store are you stopped and asked questions
Were there a lot of train derailments in Burlington that earned its name?
Also how far away would you install a derailer from an obstruction?
Thanks,enjoy the content.
That's a great question! I don't know the origin of the Burlington name for this item. As for where to put it, they are usually way out at the end of an industrial spur, it would be the "last option" to stop an even worse event from happening. Brian
HOLY CRAP!... @4:11 😮
OK, how is leaving roofing materials out in the weather good for them? Weather extremes and uv rays are main causes of deterioration? I am just a homeowner who recently had a reshingle job done on my home.
Charlie A big building supply wholesaler near us keeps all the shingles out side. Best practice? maybe not. Brian
Braided cables might be needed, if the truck gets twisted/turned to the point that the frogs can't catch the flange. Seen/helped on one rerailing where that was required. Hook it up, pull the truck back in line, hope it doesn't bust. Very sketchy operation.
Oh yeah, bring back the freight houses, where the ltcl (less than car load) stuff was handled
I worked for a shortline company for almost 12 years in management I can tell you insurance is very expensive, there are only 2 companies that will write policies for Railroads, a policy runs between $45,000 and $50,000 a year for basic liability coverage not including buildings or equipment.
Donald I like the truth but that's not very encouraging! Brian
Grear stuff. Can't wait to see you derail a real train! 👍
John Not sure if I can go for that! Brian
Where are you located at, I live in North Carolina
You should look at bags of cold patch, topsoil, materials like that.
People who are using this stuff for landscaping might buy a load via email car
a email car, a new type of boxcar????
Any idea as to when we will see the 2020 running again as well as track maintenance?
The tie remover is being re-engined that should kick start the track rehab project.
you really love that cone🛤
The Safety Committee is VERY proud of our cone and its small but important part in reminding all ETR crew to stay safe out there on the "High Iron" (nod to Danny Harmon). Next in the works will be the unveiling of the new sign indicating how many days the ETR has gone without an accident. That will be followed by a Safety Committee de-brief at Waffle House.
@@petercruikshank2618 I thought it would be at White Castle :)
Wouldn’t you still need the same insurance for a car being only unloaded as the one being stored?
Lumber unloading, liquid hazarderous be another( oil tankers, gasoline deliver for remote locations), grain for brewers.
Intencional or intentional?
My late grandfather rerailed equipment with tie plates
207 They could do it, my hat is off to the old timers. Brian
@@eastterminalrailway5975 can you show the difference in blue flag protection and 3 step protection?
Yes, I agree English is a hard language… it’s not my first language as I speak Scots… 🏴🥸
The poor smuck out in Pheonix where it gets 117-120 degrees thinks 90 degrees is a Chilly day. 😬👍
Yes But that's a dry heat!! ( so is a pizza oven )
Brain great point on Transloads Facilities for ETR IN "CAPITOL PRESS RELEASE " approximately,,They had a article on teaming with DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FROM WASHINGTON AND OREGON STATES ON TRANSLOADS FACILITIES GRANTS
..IT BE WONDERFUL IF THE STATE IN ETR OFFERS THIS TO ??$
That GTW Blue Car is a Ex DT&I Car...
Wow! That's a link to a great rail system that was big in Ohio. I didn't know that, Thanks! Brian
What type of insurance are you looking for ? Liability if someone is hurt ? Or insurance for damage to the cars / tracks ?
!st student to class, way to show up! And with good questions!
We used to flip the derailers down and blue flag the tracks when we were switching
A lot lighter lol
We used a derailer when we had cars near the water
Great video good luck to you
I want to see that 350 work. I own and post videos of my 450c.
Not sure if Factory Mutual would insure you, our company uses them and most locations have rail sidings.
Thanks Bruce I'll check. B.
I ve seen trains that derailed on a branch line and they used wood to get it back on of course that was back in the 1980’s.
Dave They could do it! It works, but it is hard on the wood! Brian
Hey Bryan me and some of the track crew at Norfolk an Southern at Muncie indiana yard wants to know any new vidoes coming out and do you have a rail speeder
Thanks for following! Nextup we go to repair a rail car! Brian
No speeder here yet! Maybe someday, those look fun! B.
Well.we have 3 Rail Speeders here sitting on a siding . All 3 have not been used in the last 15 years we will over haul a Speeder and paint it out maintenance shop. What color would you want for a Speeder. My Name is Bill.