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Part One: The Darkest Episode We Will Ever Do | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert weaves a hideous story for Margaret, about how post-war Germans started out trying to make Nazism impossible and wound up harming generations of poor children.
Original Air Date: May 14, 2024
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Considering the last couple of years of listening to this show.....I'm utterly terrified going into this episode. So it's with the deepest, bottom-of-my-heart sincerity that I thank you BtB crew for finally letting Sophie go postal on one of Robert's intros and giving me this false sense of levity.
Nooo! Not Grand Rapids all over again!
Lol that probably was the funniest intro ever though.
meh i'm out, this is just clickbait filth, and i doubt the presenters have learnt to stop babbling over the interesting content yet
@@puddles5501 🚪 Don't let it hit you on the way out
There's a real tightrope with how we process WWII. On the one hand, it's incredibly important to grapple with the horrific crimes of Nazi Germany, and it is important that Germans do so as well; on the other hand over-emphasizing the Holocaust takes focus away from the conditions that led to the Holocaust, which were also present in Italy and Japan as well as in many Allied nations. It also de-emphasizes the actual crimes of Italy and Japan. Modern Germany's unconditional support of Israel also shows that they haven't necessarily learned the RIGHT lessons from the Holocaust (though, to be fair, neither have most of the people involved in the Israeli government).
Yeeeeeeeah Germany criticizing Israel will definitely NOT lead to “See? They are STILL trying to destroy Jews”
Do you really think after 80 years of “shut up you’re all Nazis” whenever a German says something someone doesn’t like will make anyone willing to do anything that can be construed as anti-semitic even by the worst faith argumenter?
For fucks sake, I’m a 50 year old,US born, lefty, trans man and I get that shit all the time for saying Ben Shapiro is a horrible person. (And if not that, then I get: “you’re lying that almost never happens” for saying the above - it’s almost boringly predictable)
Been saying for years now, we learned like 4% of the lesson we needed to learn.
We figured out that you shouldn't hate Jewish people, and that outright dictatorship is bad. And that's about it.
As a german, this is spot-on and probably why so many nowadays fall prey to new nazis like the afd party. It‘s the same mechanisms, the same rhetorical tricks, the same old tropes and the same hatred - yet people fall for it AGAIN.
@@heck3143 Then let the Japanese fascists off the hook. Then looked away while they tried to rewrite their history and social studies curriculums to the current "Victimization of the Japanese by the Allies" skant they have today. It's why there are too many 'tube videos here of Japanese students and adults being shocked at getting history texts from the US and other countries ABOUT their additions to the war.
We somehow lost the point with the lessons. It did start off as "Fascism - Bad. Fascism - leads to singling out people groups as enemies. Later uses the scapegoat people and moves them forcibly, kills them or commits a mix of Genocide before falling into ruin. Don't do more than 5% fascism in your country or you'll repeat these mistakes with blood."
"The Darkest Episode We Will Ever Do"
Oh Robert, your optimism is ever so endearing.
"The Darkest Episode We Will Ever Do"
Yeah, because the others were all about kittens and puppies /s
*Sees TH-cam warning about the Holocaust at the top*
.....Ok, you win, I am now terrified.
"Part one" kinda undercuts that promise.
@@cha0sniper seriously. I click on this thinking they're being a little hyperbolic and see the Holocaust blurb...
Why do we do this to ourselves
The darkest episode before this was the guy who shot Santa in front of the kids he was molesting to keep them quiet.
@@TalabAlSahra I'm sorry what
Starting to wonder how much I actually regret not listening for a while
"The Darkest Episode We Will Ever Do" from a podcast that's constantly piping horrifying shit into my ears while i just vibe. you cannot shock or upset me with history anymore
Did you listen to the Adoption episodes?
You know they will take this as a challenge, right?
I believe you are in for a sad surprise 😔 Some subject matters actually do cross a line more than others, especially in the amount of sadness and pain they create, not necessarily the "shock value"
This show is inoculation against the dark shit it covers going unnoticed again.
@@billmozart7288haven't finished this yet, but it's hard to imagine anything topping that. The fact it was happening up into the 70s is especially terrifying! Really shows just how terrible our society has been to women in a way nothing else really has. That one hit me hard
14:16 -- That image of a loud, domineering man demanding the police do something into the phone only to politely but firmly refuse to help people on his doorstep the same night - while still feeling safe enough to stay in his dressing gown the whole time...
He was too scared to help but he wasn't scared enough to put on a pair of pants.
I cannot possibly describe my trepidation at the fact that the first thing that happened when loading this page was TH-cam just straight up handing me the Wikipedia article for the Holocaust.
edit: Definitely a first in my life *but talking about the Holocaust would have been nicer.*
I have not watched yet, and this reaction *terrifies* me
Ditto, this is my first episode so...
Still, we got the phrase "Unified cum-based theory", so that's fun.
So, I should NOT put this on to fall asleep to?
Hahaha oh fuck I'm screwed
Me listening to the episode yesterday: "I'll be the judge of THAT"
Me like 45 minutes in: 😱
I read that line in the voice of Lewis Black, fittingly enough xD
Yes we finally get the real story about what happened in that alley on a dark night in Grand Rapids when "a friend of the pod, Jamis Loftus" took up the Hammer Of Justice!!
Never Forget
Psst, she listens, probably, and knows where you live O...O , no words about jamie loftus deeds, other than star trek, her as writer as star trek needs to be shared :D
@@marocat4749 That's cool! What has she worked on?
@@greggreenfield5532 Lower Decks season 4 episode 5 Empathalogical Fallacies. Fun fact: unlike her fellow Star Trek writer Harlan Ellison, Jamie Loftus has never sexually assaulted someone live onstage at an awards ceremony (that we know of).
The way I clicked this video so fast. I'm ready.
Update: I wasn't ready.
1:45 😰😳💦 *(sweating bullets)*
I’m not ready, but I clicked anyway. I would imagine that probably says something about my character.
@cavemandanwilder5597 this is a depressing ahh episode.
If this episode taught me anything, is that WW2 still hasn't stopped making an impact to this very day.
After about a year of listening to Behind the Bastards, I have just now realised that this is the Robert Evans from Cracked.
_What?_
Suddenly all makes sense.
Title: oh no what's this gonna be?
Context: oh fuck.
Content: oh fucking god
I had this mental image of a man sighing and putting down his book before grabbing a Candelabra and heading for the door and I can't stop laughing at it.
Perhaps a hammer like friend of the pod, Jamie Loftus
@@Ceruleansquid-lo3iv one day Jaime’s crimes against humanity will be dragged into the light, in a future podcast called “Behind the Bastards Behind Behind the Bastards”
Robert, I"m at the 55:00-ish mark and after you slowly broke down how this foster system worked, I out loud said "maybe we dropped the nuke on the wrong people" and I really felt it in my heart.
Scary when you find yourself thinking these things
Having not listened yet, knowing this involves fascists and foster homes makes me incredibly nervous to keep going
That's kinda fucked up
When I started the episode, I was like "I still think Georgia Tann was the worst one, but let's see".
Queen Georgia has definitely been dethroned.
"Citations: Hitler" is such a fitting comment for this particularly titled episode XD
never skip leg day
it could ruin your child
How does everybody know about "a modest proposal" and not this?
There's a series of books about directors which are named "[name of director] on [name of director]" and it's fully possible that there's one for Herzog.
Darkest episode? Yeah, it's gonna get really dark. Let me explain my family history with bit of dialogue between me and my German-born mom:
Me: Tell me about my grandfather.
Her: He was a Lutheran minister.
Me: Was he a Nazi?
Her: What do you think?!?
But was he just a grunt or was he involved in warcrimes or even worse in leadership positions that. or a doctor O...O
Ok most people were technically in the party due, understandable pressure, but ther is being a party member or grunt, or, worse.
Martin Luther was incredibly antisemitic and ranted and carpet-chewed about them in his writings. So it's kind of baked in if you're a good Lutheran.
@@alexcarter8807 Martin Luther absolutely was, yes. That's not necessarily the destiny of all Lutherans today, of course. Many good Lutherans wholeheartedly reject Luther's antisemitism.
There's a slightly different thing going on with "Was a Lutheran minister in 1940s Germany," which is that the Nazis tried hard to co-opt the Lutheran Church (along with the other main Protestant sects in Germany) and so if you stayed a Lutheran minister, rather than joining the Confessing Church, you were at least pretty chill with Nazis telling you how to run your church.
@trioptimum9027 In America, at least, most modern Lutherans are pretty chill. The Evangelical Lutheran Church of America (ECLA) is one of the larger liberal Mainline Protestant churches (they allow openly gay priests, stuff like that) in the US.
@@mooseclappin11 Yep. I dated one for many years. Now, if it was me, I'd DEFINITELY want to have a different relationship to the man's name and image than even liberal Lutherans do: I know which side I'm on, and I know that if I got in a conflict with my boss or my landlord, Martin Luther would be making up excuses for why it was good and Christian for my landlord to flay me alive or cut off my fingers until I got current with my rent, because that's what he did in life. So it creeps me out that her alma mater had a big statue of the antisemitic torture bootlicker right in the middle of campus, y'know? (It was a new statue, too, maybe 20-30 years old, not some kind of "oh well they put that up in 1890 when hating Jews and the poor was considered normal, and we just don't want to tear it down.")
But most Lutherans today are fine. Hell, even a lot of people who were Lutherans in Germany in 1933 turned out to be fine... they just stopped being Lutherans for a while. There was a specific problem with people who were Lutherans in Germany in the '40s, because the ones who weren't at least moderately pro-Hitler had already been weeded out.
@32:48 - The movie to which Robert's co-host is referring is WR: Mysteries of the Organism.
It's a good film but INSANE first date idea... on a bed... 😭 Very horny film
>title
Oh fuck how much worse can it get...
>Intro
Oh.
I think a case could be made that the reason Kentler put so much emphasis on the orgasm, and sexual touching in general, as key to the "streaming" effect he describes in his treatment, because so much of *his specific trauma* that Robert describes goes back to A. him wishing his father showed him (the appropriate) physical affection as a child, and B. his having made to feel ashamed of his sexual desires in adulthood.
TL;DR: Kentler projected his own need for a daddy dom onto the whole of humanity, to horrifying results.
WHATS READY TO BE SAD FOR THREE WEEKS MY MEEEEEE
Edit: whatthefuckwhatthefuclwhatthefuckwhatthefuclwhatthefuclwhatthefuck
The conflation of Nazi thought with post-war conservative thought in Germany is even trickier. Many lukewarm Nazis turned to conservatism ideologically and gave it a particular authoritarian, inflexible bend and style. What they wanted most of all was "Ruhe und Ordnung" (calm and order). Questioning anything threatened to upset the shaky order - also the psychological stability of people with deep-seated self-image issues, as anyone would be after, you know, being a Nazi.
There is also the seed of neo-fascism in that attitude: It was one heavily based on a past that never existed, the "gute alte Zeit" (good old time) of the 2nd Empire, embodied in the genre of the saccharine, overly romantic "Heimatfilme" set in picturesque rural landscapes.
The "generation of 1968" had thick layers of ugly shit to dig through, and it's almost expectable that someone like Kentler would be produced - and countless sex cult gurus. My mom, being a little too young for 1968, still mistrusts several strands of sexual liberation because of the exploitative shit she saw in the wake of all that...
First episode that made me legitimately yell out WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK (around 55min in!)
That intro almost made me spit out my coffee and I'm horrified to learn what could be considered the worst seeing the other stuff this Podcast has covered.
Part of me wants this to be a 4 part, but most of me is kind of afraid of hearing all of that.
At least I get to spread it out instead of binging it.
This is why the international community post-WWII needed to have _not_ given so fucking many scientists from the empire of aggressively backwards racists places to go that weren't prison cells.
Can't help thinking the Soviets kinda got that one right: put 'em in a secret city and don't let them out.
@@trioptimum9027Soviets let them go back to Germany after they did their research lol
Been a fan for a long time, but this is the only time where I've thought "I need a few weeks break before I hear part two"
Now that’s a title.
Especially for this show.
I was listening to an Ursula K Le Guin story, Paradises Lost, and her space future has some similar elements to the preschools. It seemed creepy as a scifi story, it is crazy that it happened in real life
*you, in the future: "...ohhhhhh..."*
This ep raises many difficult questions but I think it's safe to say that when civilization falls into violence, it began with Sophie's violent attack on Robert's intro.
Or maybe it was Jamie Loftus' last hammer attack...
Only one way to check is listening to her show on corazon media???
@@marocat4749 I'll check it out. She's funny.
my Oma was also born in 1928 Germany, and also had been raised with strict german discipline.
Seriously watch out, folks -- this IS a dark 'un.
epistemologically upsetting to say the least
This title is horrific. I can't wait to listen to this at work
Don't forget your bluetooth speaker bar so you can educate your whole shift!
You know the episode is good when TH-cam adds a Wikipedia box. And also: Called it. Sadly.
Love the series! Always a joy to have Margaret on.
Probably an incredibly stupid question, what happened to the second episode of Forensic Science?
Can't find episode 2 of "the man who invented Fascism" anywhere can you guys post it please
It's mislabeled on TH-cam. There's two episodes named "Part One: The Bastards Who Killed the Black Panthers". See the shorter one, about 49 minutes, that's actually the second part of Gabriele D'Annunzio.
@@slaur42 thanks dude 👍
Happy Wednesday, everyone. A real banger of an episode. 🎉
Oh god, im finding myself actually debating if i want to listen to these or not lmao
Every time I hear about these pdf file, it just happens to be in the 70s. They were basically platformed🙂
*Sees title The Darkest Episode Ever, sees TH-cam warning about "The Holocaust" at the top*
Welp, this is gonna be awful, isn't it.
[extremely Principal Skinner voice] Yes!
The more I listen the more nauseated I get.
: You really gotta love it when people use non-material analysis to diagnosis material conditions, it's SOOOOOOOO GOOD for everyone.
On the one hand, I don't know what I should have expected from that episode title on this podcast, but on the other hand jesus christ.
alright i'll bite
EDIT: okay yeah that's pretty dark!
Run now. You're almost to the bad part...
How can it get worse? the only way is bringing in cults and, is that is :O sexcults with children?
The title of this episode is accurate. Kinda wish I skipped it, but alas.
You will absolutely want to skip the following episode(s) when the drop happens. *hugs*
Can we all just admit we can't fuck our way to socialism?
Can we socialism our way to fucking?
31:55 So stoked about the reference to orgone (which is also the name of a great experimental metal band).
I always find these sort of things deeply disturbing as someone who's interested in youth liberation. Because on the one hand, I'm critical of the kind of age essentialism legal systems often use to disguise denying rights to children and rendering them a precarious population, as protection; I'm critical of the default assumption that kids are necessarily heteroasexual (asexual but on their way to heterosexuality); and I do think that children need to be taken seriously as actors (as a matter of fact, not ideal) in global labour markets, in cultural (re)production and in gender and sexuality discourse.
It's always distressing to see things that start out close to what I believe end up twisted into just another tool for adult power to be wielded to hurt people without access to it, and it's equally distressing the way that often serves to rebuttress old arguments that act as if childhood divides were sepearate, innocent and logical things (rather than cultural constructs with consequences because of the power and mobility these tools hand to adults, and the protections [in theory] that it removes from them). It's kind of horrifying that legitimate critiques about the biased way in which culture is often more concerned with preventing childhood precosity (up and to including the UK government just proposing banning educating children under nine on things like gender and sexuality, or the blame culture that surrounds teen parents) than the actual problems of heternormativity (you can't have a social system that valorises youthful appearance without it generatoring p3do trash, because those are just the same discourse wearing two different shirts, and because bodies don't mature at a set rate), and we slide from those to 'Oh it's fine if I abuse these kids'.
These disputes should have been about children having a right to own their own understandings of gender, sexuality etc without being told they were wrong/too young etc, and about adults also being able to express anxiety, confusion and a need for protection from the state, instead it got warped again into a load of adults generating power-via-academia over the people around them. Argh!
No shit that an attempt to make children independent will be abused by adults. The adults have power because of their mental development, and if you give them 'power' they'll unwittingly relinquish it to the first person who can manipulate them. Go to hell with your ''liberation'. Nine year olds don't need any sex education, and the man who invented/popularized gender theory was himself an abuser.
I dunno man, the episodes on Mengele were pretty fucking dark
Okay, i know enough about this Show, that this title is scaring me.
🎉
I have been dodging a lot of episodes about children and medical history so by the title I'm hoping to gain the fortitude to go back and listen to those.
Also part of what makes this story so disturbing to me is like... I think it's important to be aware of one's weaknesses and stuff that could lead you to support bad things, and like, if I had every educational expert out there telling me that this was a good idea, and I didn't have people who survived sexual abuse telling me otherwise, I feel like I probably would have fallen for it. I don't KNOW. I like to THINK that I would have said 'Wait, but pedophiles have always existed, we should see if this helped people who we know WERE molested by pedophiles,' since that is the second half of 'Not having people who survived abuse disagreeing' part. I just can't help worrying that I might not have done that if I'd been there. Which similarly makes me worry there's something I'm not doing right now that in the future I would look back on.
Maybe we can get away from the term child-rearing
"The big dub dub dos" lmao
I could definitely see the Western Allies leaning on the scales to ensure that very conservative, religious, "moral" people became the leaders of West Germany. After all, Britain and the US had a culture that was based on Anglo-Saxon, protestant prudishness. They also would have seen anyone who was a little left wing and secular as potentially aligned, at least in ideology, to the communist Soviet Union.
They also did something with Italy, CIA funding the Christian party in Italy and the Gaullists in France post WWII lol
Damn it. I'm about halfway through thinking 'well this isn't so bad, guy seems semi-reasonable' aaaand then the twist 😅 Of course.
This is the BEST intro ever.
I think there are parallels between the post-war leftists' idea that that Nazism=sexual repression and some current ideas that homophobic republicans are secretly gay and repressed. Obviously some of the latter are jokes (they got the whole squad laughing. hilarious. 😐😐😐), and while I couldn't give you a thesis statement, I think maybe there's some cause for concern!
Interesting channel - I'll be back when things are less dark.
Sophie has the most amazing laugh.
The worst part about this is that none of it is surprising.
Sexuality is where there's still this huge conservative lean even among so-called liberals. Even Robert here drawing a line at "it's okay for kids to have sexual feelings." Like, what does that mean? Are they supposed to only have them for adults? Are they supposed to have them for peers with the potential they never outgrow it?
clicking on this expecting it to be a deep dive into the crimes of aubrey graham
Germany has been increasingly changing from 'were so so sorry' to 'what holocaust?' as of late I fear...
I hope this doesn't mean a "Zack Snyder Bastards League" type of a literal dark episode
Ding Ding Ding!
Hey you should mention Marion Zimmer Bradley and her husvand and daughter since you are mentioning the Kentler experiments.
This is going to be a ... good (?)...one!
Good *lord* these bastards are rancid. Title is on the money. Steel yourselves for this one.
I reckon I might skip the next one. Holy shit.
Yay.....this took my mind off of.....other horrible things.....
Huh I'm curious, how much you can shock me, considering as a German I grew up on this shit galore, but if this is supposed to be darker than the Nanjing episodes, I wonder what'll come. I mean you already did cover Mengele and concentration camps several times, tho I haven't listened to all of it yet. We'll see, how I will update this comment haha.
Wilhelm Reich: Father of “Post Nut Clarity”
That was really good, but brb, touching grass.
it is possible the Jamie Loftus did commit a series of murders in Grand Rapids, Michigan... or not... YOU DECIDE!!! I think she did it.
Which episodes should I listen to prior to this one?
Okay you got my attention
Man that was fucking horrifying
Fear. Only fear.
Ah Elon's favorite topic with his new pals these days.
What does being "pro robe and cloak" mean?
I’m guessing it means “doing wizard shit” but not in a DnD way, in a Alister Crowley, Thelma, Chaos&Sigil Magik, “Keys of Solomon” sort of way. Based on things they’ve said in previous episodes and their general vibes, I’m 99.9% sure Margaret and Robert know people who have done and/or still practice ritual occult magic. And you REALLY don’t want a psychologist who is also doing “robe and cloak” ritual magic to “manipulate souls” during their free time😅😬
@@meryleevans4012 I think your guesses are good, but I think Margaret actually just meant the vibes. More jobs should be done in robes and/or cloaks, we should have less people taking "power naps" and more people taking a little time to contemplate their orb, etc.
Kids and adults are just physically emotionally and psychologically on different stages of development that's why they sometimes have a buffer on consent laws for people in a few years of the entity in question . It's true for any one bearing either term unless their age ends in teen and really intuited reflexively. It's pretty simple I don't understand how they managed to overthink this one in so many otherwise enlightened societies throughout history. But it's kinda sad that they proved that they could find a way to go downhill from the 3rd Reich in any regard. I found no part of it more horrifying than the statement"That's the end of part 1".
"Objectively nuts"- maybe, and this is just a thought, because you can't spell "Nazi" without the "nuts" part in it...
Oh eah talkin abiout austria, but boy did it took a while to bring up and work up the past, and i think he did in germany too , probably.
Whats wiesenthals really thing he is known for is being basically being a journalist and educator, with loads off charm and humor. Great person, and he did just go when he found out a guy was a natsee officer he went to the work and said, or went there and family, and "hey just you know of that thing of the past, bye"
He really wasnt concerned primary with going afte rpeople, but annoy them as good journalist and neve rshut up about what happened.
With being good journalism and a mantra "i will bring up the true history, no matter what it is" .
He also had a bit part in the zeitzeugen living witness project, and there.
So a major impact on not only journalism inself there but also by being a stubbern threatened and cursed a lot at charming educator, and a funny one at that. Very nice. But also, he literaly refused to go becaus in austria he saw he could that do there best,
And to not give his enemies the pleasure because he was stzubern as hell, making life not easy for his remaining family with him.
XD
But that shows people like him had to fought to actually adress the past and the ugly. Also wiresenthal has a very misleading nickname, he was a stubbern integer journalist and educator, not going after peopole per se, he just did annoy them with the truth.
Also wiesenthal as good person non-bastard?
I hope the forbidden intro is somewhere. Sophie may think it'll get you exiled from the Western Hemisphere, but I'm thinking Patreon exclusive!
"You can't understand the shit Americans do without understanding how desensitized Americans are to violence."
Me, a person who clicked through even knowing what the title of this show is: "Yep. Checks out."
Edited to add: after listening to this whole episode, I was expecting worse, but...full disclosure, this was also my response after reading Blood Meridian, so...make of this what you will.
THE REVOLUTION IS COMING! (I hope there isn't anything in this episode that makes me regret posting this comment less than half-way thru)
I was honestly disappointed by how this same topic was handled in the episode on the Catholic Church in Ireland post-independence. Respectfully, I wish you'd revisit it with the same level of caution for how dark it gets.
Someone got a sound effect board
54:40 - 55:50 you notice how's he's still basically calling the homeless kids "useless eaters." Guess he maybe wasn't really as anti nazi as he thought he was 🙄🙄🙄
Wilhelm Reich was an Austrian
Oh god, i think paul shareffer personally was still darker, but oh god, how. Why?
Dont tell me it gets worse. Ok that cult colony was that horrific.
Oh. My. Fucking. God
Love this show, but from the description, I think I’m gonna skip this one.
The darkest episode you've ever done so far.
The dividing line of evil doesnt care about politics. Every progressive will think their generation has the best ideas until 50 years later after taking it to their grave
you had me at clickbait.