@@seskalarafey9285 he did, in an interview video he said that during his younger days, he went to multiple game stores in japan to hunt for a copy of EverQuest since it was very difficult to buy a western game in japan back then. This was one of his reference in rebuilding the failed FF XIV 1.0 to A Realm Reborn
@@frialzers Indeed, and he has always mained casters from way back when which is why he still very much enjoys Black Mage now. It's one of my dreams to be able to interview him for AkhMorning and to be able to talk EverQuest with him.
I speak Japanese as my second language and lived and worked there for 19 years. Your Japanese translation is some of the best I have seen. It was 100% accurate to what he was saying in the spirit of it's English meaning.
Problem is you can try to explain this to some individuals within the raiding community and they will still stick their heads in the sand on the issue. It's a culture problem, not an attitude problem, it will take something radical to force them to change their views and I doubt SE will be willing to take that step. The fact a lot of people in the raiding scene thought the ban of the streamer for criticizing a person's dps on stream was unjustified and agreeing with what he thought should be evident enough. I mean, the only reason people were willing to wipe in coils with Asmongold 20 times on what is considered content that is soloable unsynced at 80 is purely because he is a famous streamer, do you think they would do that just out of the kindness of their hearts? No way; Unless it was a group of really good friends, it would never happen. Most raiders don't care about completing content, they just want everyone else to be on their level, know the fight through watching a video (visual/audio learning *is* a myth) and then complete it as fast as possible so they can get their rewards and log off for the day. It's not as bad in FFXIV as it is in WoW, but it's still really bad. But since raiders make up a tiny portion of the population (the majority of players only do alliance raids and the relic grind) it's not a widespread issue.
@@foxdavion6865 see the thing is I don’t mind if people aren’t on my level, but if they are gonna go into savage content they gotta understand, shits hard. And more often than not they under perform in content where any slack is a massive detriment, almost unplayable. I personally am willing to help people get better and be pro gamers, but people gotta cooperate.
@@foxdavion6865 Not really i will never expect someone 2 bei the best in normal stuff but If you have a minimun in raids U Need it. Otherwise It will fail. Thats why Raider Talks a lot bout DMG Overheal and all this. I rarely meats Raider in Dungeons or ex trials who are blaming Others. Many of Them joining a practice grp and Help the Guys...
@@damte131 " Not really i will never expect someone 2 bei the best in normal stuff *but*" yeah... *but*. No, look, gearing isn't the issue here, it's people judging others by using fflog and parsers. That is harassment, in fact any form of discrimination based on damage output is harassment. As for practice groups? Please... The only times I ever see them being formed is when some pro raider wants to help a friend who is new to the game to unlock Savage or Extreme content so they can join PF groups who farm. I never see anyone doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, that's asking too much of people apparently.
ikr, the whole idea with ACT is to use it for your own benefit and keep quiet about it, but don't go using it to hammer someone else. Sadly, there are always bellends who end up doing the latter.
DPS meter should be in game function available to anyone...It just could have function to measure only your own damage but it would also tell you how good you are (for example 70th percentile of all players using this DPS meter) Thats a fckin nonsense that DPS meter is forbidden in a game with 'challenging' PvE modes xD
its so refreshing playing a game with a dev team like this "official yoship says no, but we can't see what you're doing without looking harder and we dont really care as long as you're not using it to call people out" nice
I don't think they can find it client or server side. ACT just reads the logs generated by the game. If they wanted to stop ACT use, they'd have to stop the game from generating logs, but I feel that the server NEEDS those logs as much as ACT does.
@@Zephal42 No they can totally detect it, you have to install ACT in your FFXIV folder so it would be a simple thing and within their rights to scan through your installation folder. Them not doing that is an act of extreme generosity on their part, and is one of the things that makes the FFXIV dev team so great.
@@Spiritchuckpvp I don't know if this really matters, but they can't scan your installation folders directly. The most they can do is integrity checks, which would find that "something" else is in the folders. Since the terms of service do not allow anyone to alter the installation files, you could be punished for that. Each installation generates a key and that key can be checked automatically during the very first server handshake when logging in. This just supports your point even more though. Not only is it possible for them to know, they already know exactly who is using ACT, they just choose to be cool about it. It's a breath of fresh air for sure seeing a dev team care enough to make their decisions based on what's best for us first and not be laser focused on profits only. If you treat your community right you won't have to worry about profit. That will come naturally lol.
@@Vinclum Care to explain? Scan through your folders, no, but being able to detect ACT in general? Absolutely. Many anti-cheats can see what programs you're running and can block you from playing their game. They *could* do that in FFXIV, but it's an extreme act of generosity on their part to not do so, and it's one of the things that makes the team so great.
@@lenny4039 it's usally indirectly flaming.., but the stance of parser should not and will not change, if Yoshi gives the a personal dps parser to (Ps4/Ps5) players.., who are a minority too (and it's a parser, that only shows their own dps)
@@lenny4039 did you know why Yoshi is so adamant on playerbase not using ACT? Its because there's a huge case in Japan where someone flame someone over ACT damage, and it continue to the guy's real life. You may not encounter it, but majority of human's behaviour are enough for that kinda stuff to eventually happen.
“Read between lines” 1. Officially speaking, we dont allow ACT. 2. We cannot search what programs you are using while playing the game. 3. If you try to trash-talk someone with the information you get from ANYTHING outside of our program, you will receive a penalty of harrassment.
This is what I've been trying to tell people. In Yoshida's position he CANNOT directly say "ACT is allowed" but its been pretty clear to me that he implies every time these questions are asked that he doesn't care if you use ACT as long as it doesn't cause harrasment.
This is just the FF XI Windower thing all over again. They tell you you can't use it, but in so many words tell you that you can use it. just be quiet about it.
Basically meaning "if you want to privately use one for your own reference be our guest... But don't you DARE use it to bully other people with"... Not a quote. Just my personal interpretation and I think it's a perfect balance. He's a good bean and we must all love him ❤️
The problem is, the people using ACT for trash talking someone else, instead of a tool to either help improve yourself or that person is more the issue. Not the use of it in the first place. Part of the reason why I got away from World Progression raiding. Starts out as a measure for mechanics, but once fights are done, gloves were off and the only thing that mattered was how high your individual DPS was to your team members. Immediately lost the fun factor of doing the content. This is speaking for NA obviously. EU/JP servers don't have the same level of superiority complex as US players do.
It's actually smart that yoship states that if someone berates another with numbers from ACT it's going to be 'harrasment first' and 'use of third party tools second' because technically after a raid someone can just logout, go to documents, manually calculate the total damage that person did from the in game logs, and then shit on that person. It's a complicated loophole that technically didn't use ACT but the fact that yoship stated its harrasment first means that person can still be penalized.
Because that is the main point. He didt really care about ACT, he cared more abouy his players not getting bullied. But from a company standpoint he cant say, you can just use it as long as you dont say it. Which is why he says no to all third party tool. But its a grey zone, if someone use it they won't really go and catch them. As long as they shutup about it ofc.
@@ionmeth2031 Exactly, even the devs have to use a parser to tune the fight. If we cannot use a parser to help ourselves optimize, then the devs should not use one when creating the content and should instead rely on their own skills.
@@TheMaxCloud exactly, I have nothing against it, I use it for ultimate, especially ucob where it can be a huge chore to remember all of naels quotes. Even e11s for me is unclearable because im colorblind, so act allows me to do it by calling out the color of the mechanic daddy-thancred is using.
@@ManWithCrowbar That's not something they can really do much about. It's not fair of course but what can you do? Censor their deaths? Make them invincible? Make everyone invincible? Release no interesting content that could challenge you? Give people an activatable god mode? Like at the end of the day, what they are trying to do is instill the spirt of cooperation and friendliness in the community. They do it by creating the stance that people shouldn't be judged solely on statistics, much less judged in general. It then becomes the player's responsibility to not bring that level of negativity to the game in order to help facilitate that. There's nothing wrong with ranting and raving about a situation but once you make it public and attempt to harass others, that's when you've created a problem that needs penalizing. I want to emphasize that I'm sure you know this, or had some inkling of that. This lengthy message is more to hammer it home for anyone that wishes to understand just how important it is to maintain a healthy community.
@@ManWithCrowbar as a healer I can confirm this happens. I honestly just report it. I don't play around anymore with folks with toxic behaviour like this. It doesn't bother me - I could care less what others think - but I've seen it makes others nervous to participate in group content so I report every single instance I see of actual bullying (not just a little negative venting etc but honest bullying.) If I can save one person from being exposed to the toxicity so common in MMO's I'll consider my efforts worthwhile. Thankfully, FFXIV is far less toxic than other MMO's in general, but when it's there..it's THERE.
It has nothing to do with bullying. It has everything to do with "is your party member wasting the groups time by simply auto attacking mobs." People need to stop referring to criticism as "being bullied." Id say wasting peoples time is a worse offense than "Hey man, can you actually play your character rather than just auto attack? Our time is valuable."
Legit though... It's very obvious they play the game and know very well the habits of MMO gamers. Everything they said makes sense. You may disagree with the decision, but there's no denying what they're saying is reasonable
It's good to see the devs understand the real issue here. I don't think they care that much about people using it to try and improve their own performance, but are 100% against anyone using it to gatekeep content from others. Because it's not possible to control HOW the results of such a thing are used, they can only say it's not allowed and they'll never add it to the game themselves.
@@penultimania4295 yes that is true but if you use an arbritary standard set by you because Jonny didn't do. 5 more dps than Benny because a multitude of reasons then that's gatekeeping. I mythic raided in WoW and the majority of people can't read or interpret logs for the life of them. People only read raw numbers and that's it, they don't understand why sometimes Jonny makes more dps than Benny or the other way. It might be targeted by mechanics, skill, movement that was caused not because they mess up but because you Alex the tank moved so they have to move and in turn lose dps. Point is, while logs can be great for people who actually understand them to improve. Most people use it as an arbritary barrier to gatekeep individuals that might even be better players than you skill wise but they don't reach your random barrier of entry. Any raid leader worth a dam can identify bad or underpeeforming raiders without add-ons.
and as far as I know, this has been how they used the ToS in effect when it comes to ACT. If you get banned for using it, it was because people reported you for harassing people with it.
@@penultimania4295 You are absolutely allowed to gatekeep your own party, which you put together yourself. However if you attempt to gatekeep a duty-finder party, you are going to run afoul of those pesky Terms Of Service, which say don't harass other players, or prevent them from playing content. So, if you want to keep those horrible filthy casuals out of your group, do NOT use the duty finder. Run your own static group and be happy with other 1337 players.
@@quixadhal Actually this is true. There's always casual player and hardcore player and both often don't mix well. Creating your own party with the selected few would do great. I mean by now you should have found people that you're impressed with and what not. Keeping duty finder for casual scum like me benefits both side. As I mostly play FF14 while high, I doubt I can be 100% focus. Even savage fuck me up while high, so I normally relax awhile before I queue.
It is satisfying how carefully talks about this. Other publishers just say yes or no, but he explains. That's a thing you didn't see often. I'm appreciate this.
Full agreement. The man has entirely wholesome and kindly principles. If someone does not want that kind of care then they are welcome to go elsewhere but to decry them is to be an advocate for bullying.
His opinion is the “right” way to develop games. This has been proven time and time again people are just to selfish to accept it. It’s almost like people have lost how to enjoy themselves. Because anyone who says “I’m into it for the numbers and efficiency it provides” your a lier because nobody wants the extra work or the hunt for efficiency to be a part of their game time. Nobody…and your probably an unpleasant person irl. Risking failure should be part of your experience it’s not a fucking job.
Same! Not to mention i already stress out in a savage fight, having number is just even more distracting and i would worry about the numbers instead of mechanics, which is the fun of the fight. I tried act once ngl , on a dummy training. Never again, its not worth it and not worth the time spent on it. Learn your job, ask for advice, trial and error... at the end of the day if you start worrying about numbers, are you truly having fun?
I recently started playing again after a long break. Did some book dungeon as healer and It was rough lol. Really kind party and explained the simple mechanics and after 2-3 wipes, we beat it.
Sounds like a person who plays WoW and understands. I felt like I was hearing from another player, not a game director. I’m really sad I never joined FF14 earlier and wasted so much time on WoW.
I was against not having ACT at first but this might be the right decision to not integrate it out of the box. Casuals have zero need in such tool whereas those at the higher end will know how to take a "bullying".
@@johnlake2545 It also makes people not look for solutions because it's easier to blame. If your run is going bad and you can't see any numbers you just keep trying, if you can see one DPS is low you'll just get in the mentality "omg this guy sucks"
He isn’t flat out banning everyone because he’s being generous, do not take his kindness for weakness, this video is not to say to use it discreetly, it’s not to use it at all.
I love seeing my dps sometimes but I can understand.. but honestly.. it seems like people should absolutely report, plus I agree that they don't even look for solutions -_- Plus that person might not want to play. Also this might really lead to making jobs being super mega easy with only a small amount of gcd, if they keep ACTing up.. :/
I love how their main concern with ACTs is it will cause bullying. He knows not everyone can be top level. And wont create a culture to alienate casual players or people who just don't have as fast reflexes as others! Yoshi-p is wholesome as hell and it makes its way into the general feel of the games user base.
@@Johan87577 what? Are you supposed to just let people break your TOS? TOS is an official and legal document. Of course they are gonna be firm and enforce it. It's the whole point of even making a TOS. What are you in about?
I use it, but i only use it for myself! Just to step up my own game when i see i starting to fall behind. With that said: I have NEVER and will NEVER use it to flame or bully anyone else! And regardless of ACT or not, We are all on different skill/knowladge levels. So always help people, not put ppl down. //love to everyone!
Even better when you combine it with 'xivanalysis'. I felt I really got good at the game after seeing those mistakes I was constantly making while unaware.
as if you need ACT to know if someone is doing dmg or not xD you can bully people just by observing them in a dungeon or raid.If i see a rdm for example hard casting i dont need ACT to tell he doesnt do dmg !Its rediculous to blame act when its obvious if someone plays bad or not...
@@dimitrischou562 That is a whole different case though. And as previously was stated to this comment. If that RDM had ACT+analysis hed know that he is doing it wrong. The game does not specifically teach you how to use your skills to a 100% efficiency. Heck it doesnt even teach you how to use them really properly at all until you get into savage and have to step up your game ( not even in all cases, since you can also get carried or still not even realise the msitakes you make). But as ppl have also said you dont have to be a dick about it. Try to teach them. They might not realise it at all, what they are doing wrong, because in alot of cases you dont realise youre doing something wron until someone actually tells you that you are and teaches you how to be better ( in a nice way)
@@Spiritwonder420 Why the fuck shouldn't I? If you care so much, stick to your premade statics so you never have to play with someone that's just trying out content for fun.
I dont think ff14 systems are Not nearly as toxic as wows. For example...If i have to fit 10 runs of +14 Dungeons Into 24 hours because i want all 3 chests and Family and Work...of course im gonna get pissed at you If you Play Like Shit, yet you still applied to my Party, Destroyed my Key and your Raider IO is for me at that Point clear as day, bought. For what tough...so i invite you to destroy my Key? The Game is punishing me hard for Others mistakes and its highly competitive. Of course im gonna be pissed when i build my das around for such a system.
@@Silphiroth I raided for many years at the heroic level in WoW. There are ways to help players improve on your raid team besides humiliating them with posting their dps for all to see. Kindness and raiding are not mutually exclusive. Great leadership lifts up their team and inspires them to do their best whether in game or at work.
@@MissTayzha While you're correct, this game still has that same toxic people. It's just much more hush-hush, especially for higher end content where they gate keep.
@J S what’s against TOS is what they can ban for legally speaking and 3rd party tools is one of them. If your using it and you shit on someone basically your banned. It’s the same as saying the tool is banned because of x. They don’t want to ban people for using it but they will so hush and keep it to yourself.
@@yourjunes Yeah they totally can, plenty of anti-cheat programs are highly invasive and can search through anything on your PC. Many esports titles use those systems.
While then also adding fights that kinda need an DPS meter. Try to do E11S on content (so before 5.45) with 1 DPS not doing enough, let's say an SAM, since that is a pure DPS that brings nothing but DPS to the table. Said player doesn't die so he's executing mechanics correctly, but you're wiping to enrage. How are you gonna determine that this SAM isn't going enough DPS? and not "check the emnity bar!" sometimes you see an healer high up there, it's a way but not accurate.
@@DarkDyllon Go with that Samurai to a target dummy, and watch how they do their rotation. Turn party members' spell effects back on and watch, see if you can spot gaps or broken combos, or abilities not being used at all. Or ask them specific questions: "Can you kill the target dummy in Stone Sea Sky before the timer runs out? Do you click any of your buttons? Are you ever letting your GCD stop rolling between attacks?" There's a good chance that by actually talking to the player who's not doing enough, and giving them a little coaching while being positive and not condescending, you can help them improve out of needing to be carried and they'll thank you for it.
@@MarkZeroGaming Ok, so there is an major flaw right here. How do I know that this SAM isn't doing enough damage, why am I asking it specifically to the SAM and not the other DPSers? this just screams "I'M USING ACT BUT I'M TRYING MY BEST TO HIDE THE FACT I'M USING IT!" but this also creates another issue, for starters, what if this SAM isn't from my server? I have to world hop to see how this SAM is performing. As I also mentioned being able to kill the target dummy means nothing, absolutely nothing it's literally only there to practice your entire rotation after you got it down, you can stand still on it and do just fine why? because it doesn't simulate mechanics. You can easily hit max DPS on it but then you gotta disengage from said boss meaning your DPS is gonna end up being lower, having high DPS on there doesn't mean you can get high DPS while executing mechanics. The thing i'm getting at with these specific things is that, why waste my time coaching this SAM in question to be better and maybe cause a few more wipes and hope he/she gets it ... or just kick and replace this person and most likely get an better player. The game doesn't actually teach you how to properly play a job, the "hall of novice" isn't even accurate anymore "dodge an AOE" ... wow, stellar advice SE. for tanks it shows that the DPS can tank an mob that just appeared (the final step) this is technically correct, but healers/DPS panic and start running like crazy once they have agro, more often than not they panic. I'm all for helping players so the skill ceiling can finally be raised instead of continuesly dumbed down every expansion, but the problem becomes when you have to start to invest time into randoms you'll likely never meet again, i'm not saying only a few thousand below what an average SAM would do, I mean dealing 13-14k dps as a SAM, while a SAM can easily hit 23k now, that's just with basic knowledge (I speak from experience as my SAM is not even BiS, I don't main it, yet I can hit 23k quite easily)
@@DarkDyllon alternatively, instead of caring about the failures, you can look at tall the players and groups where you have succeeded in beating the content, and be grateful to them for being good and knowing their roles. Not a criticism, just another way of appreciating the same situation.
Essentially, It's against ToS to use third party but if you keep it to yourself and don't ruin the experience for others, we'll turn an eye to it. At least that's my take on it for the past 8 years with XIV modding.
Overall the "yeah people do it, but don't talk about it" is a pretty good rule. It avoids a lot of the toxicity in "OTHER LARGE MMO" that comes from damage meters. As long as they don't really enforce it much. Then you can use it to improve and cheer your friends on but can't shit on people and spam the damage logs in party chat as a "fuck you" like in "OTHER LARGE MMO". (Other large MMO is WoW btw)
They said nothing of the sort’s. They said that even if you only use it for personal use that they will still penalize you if they decide to ban all accounts that use third-party mods. The keyword is that they said IF they do decide to ban accounts with third-party mods, its your risk. Regardless, it’s still not allowed
I can understand this completely. I started playing WoW at a time where a dps tracker was practically seen as a "must-have" addon. So seeing everyone's numbers and comparing them to myself and others has been something that I have just grown used to. I've been playing FF14 for going on 3 months now, and to not have that ticker down in the corner of my screen has actually been so refreshing. It's so nice to go into fights and just be worrying about mechanics instead of just having the mentality of "well, our numbers aren't high enough."
the only people i judge are the ones who spend the entire duty auto-attacking and not putting in any effort. those are the ones who NEED to be judged because they don't contribute with anything and just sit there waiting for everyone else to carry them. and there are a LOT of them. you usually get one per alliance raid at least.
@@Jekani id say its less useful if you are a DPS/not in extreme content, but when someone is legitimately not doing ANYTHING the tracker helps. Also gives you a point to ask if they need pointers. Most people are willing to hear you out if you express your concern nicely. But i do keep it off for almost all other content. No need to be sweaty in a Leveling Roulette LUL
@@yondaimesin I 100% always have ACT on just out of habit and usually roulettes I ignore its there. But will pay attention to it when doing savage/ultimates. Also I don't need it to know when I see someone being lazy or just downright afking in a dungeon... Had a monk who would only hit bootshine in Nier raid... I saw it happening called them out and they just said "its only a 24 man dude I cba even playing properly." This is the mentality I want squished as its so unfair to the other players actually doing their job.
I use act and actively try to be the biggest dps in my role, often topping damage charts. But i will never shame others for doing less dps. If everyone was tryharding this would be a toxic competative game. Please keep having fun and just playing casually with your class, and i will tryhard for myself and myself only.
That thinking is very healthy. But there is sooo many ppl who would just use that data to push players out of group and shame them. Look at WoW. First was dps meters and you had to deliver or get kicked. Now there is raider io and you dont even get invited. I got sick of it because if you dont play a lot and fall behind on ilvl no one is even gonna bother with you on a simple dungeons. Because of that community gets meta focused and it drags toxicity with it. I loved to top the meters too but had to jump on carousel and constantly keep up with the upgrades. Starts to feel like a second job. In order to do fun stuff you have to grind not fun stuff which takes most of your time. And on top of that it never ends
@@Kaiyalai_Indigo Calling someone out for not playing the game correctly is harassment? How? I'd love for someone to call out mistakes I make that I don't know about so I can fix them and improve. Is every type of constructive criticism harassment in your world or what? lol
@@brandonkruse6412 not really. Im not talking about underperforming and getting kicked. I never personally was kicked either as dps healer or tank. Wasnt invited for lower ilvl yes. Its like try not to get curve in first two weeks of new content. And you see premades 90% curve only. Its not like you cant kill a boss. Now players are jugded before they even have a chance to show how they perform. That is disturbing.
This! I made a similar comment but I think you said it better. 😁 They know we're going to use it, but they want us to not be jerks about it. That's a really difficult request, for some players.
@@u13erfitz and thats where the finger pointing starts. And after that the gate keeping will follow. "You cant join unless you can prove you can do X dps".
@@Proxyincognito If you are trying to do Ultimate you can't have laggards. If someone isn't pulling their weight it is time for them to ship out. That being said x dps is going to depend on class. Remember buffs to other people is part of dps brought as well. Also, this seems like cop out. Developers can balance dps they just don't to keep people on a treadmill. Lots of people use ACT but you don't see certain classes getting booted cause square does their job.
Totally agree with them. Was alike many a Former WoW gamer (However being playing FFXIV since it launched) and the days of raiding and recount wasn't just the vileness because people where low numbers about Remove it and the stress for not seeing your own numbers wasn't fun.
I actually think its a great way to track your progression as a player though. To see your average numbers rise is a great experience as well. Really seeing the impact of perfecting your rotations and the implications of your new gear is a reason I enjoy these games. Now I don't agree with people harassing other people because of their low numbers so its a double edge sword.
@@SeraphSlater Yes, if the harassment issues are being dealt with, which is really hard if you implement ACT or similar programs its nice to see the numbers rise, BUT(!) in WoW Bosses are Geargated so the maximum dps you can do is actually needed, while ff14 bosses are most of the time (yes there are a few exceptions) mechanical bosses, so an ACT would loose relevancy there.
@@strike4489 Yes this is true! Damage doesn't matter much because if everyone knows the boss mechanic, you most likely will down the boss. WoW is different. DPS meter should be allowed in WoW because you're under a timer (Mythic +).
@@SeraphSlater Yes, to an extent. The problem is the risk of abuse. Making a game all about efficiency and eeking the last 1-2% DPS is not fun for a lot of people. Doing so in WoW which has fed that mentality has stripped the game of it's soul - talents? Pared back to the minimum. Gearing? Also stripped down to the minimum. Gone are the fun proc weapons with cool abilities for the most part. Want to a Mythic+ group, what's your raider.io score? Are you meta? No, then get out.
You make ACT official and classes like bards and dancers will quickly drop in population. What I love about the game is that it really have the "support class" that wow always wanted (not healers, but classic warlocks). We don't need to see the numbers if I know that black mage does more damage by design, and dancer does more damage spread to their party members. I love this devs
Doubt so, ppl already parse like on WoW and even there when DH and warrior are meta for example, you bring an Enh shaman, no matter if it's good or trash cause of windfury totem, just how you bring a bard or dancer.
i dont play mmos without dps meters, thats like going to gym and lifting blank mystery weights, no idea what im doing or how to improve, i dont understand why i would do combat if cant see my performance
"Personally, I don't enjoy games that are all based off Efficiency." Right there. There it is, guys. That is the problem with WoW. Efficiency is for work. Not for play. Play is supposed to be for relaxing. Not stressing.
That argument goes out the window when you consider savage and ultimate content. Both of which do in fact require efficiency. And Ultimate raids most certainly are not for relaxing.
but a ton of people legitimately enjoy being as efficient as possible in everything they do, even playing a game. Some people might not enjoy trying to be as efficient as possible in games and don't understand people that do. Meanwhile there's also plenty of people who love being as efficient as possible and don't understand people who are okay with not improving People have different preferences and find different aspects of games fun so you point is kinda moot here, there is no rainbow that leads to a universal definition of "fun". Different people enjoy things differently Just like how some people love high-end content and raiding in games while other people find it too stressful. Stressful for you, fun for them
@@LordAnorak if you're running that content outside of statics you're destined for failure anyway. No amount of ACT is going to keep the weakest link of your party alive anyway.
I love when the developers, owners, coders, whomever, understand everything we do in game and understand why we use things or not. Just his understanding in epic amongst himself.
I was wondering why a stream from last year was relevant again for some reason, and then I realized it's because of the influx of new players asking for this as an official feature, isn't it?
No doubt there are refugees begging for the ability to measure dps and decide who will and who won't be allowed to play with them xD (Obviously some people just like to see their numbers)
I understand both ways of thinking about the issue. However I will continue to use ACT to improve my own gameplay if nothing else. It's a tool to help me play better in the end.
just like what yoshi p kinda subtly imply in the vid. dont talk about it in game, don't bully people for having low dps, and preferably only use it with premades of your small raiding circle who has the same efficiency mindset as you
Yeah pretty much. It's why yoshi p continued "recommending" you not use it rather than commanding. He understands people will continue using them and there's no real way to stop it unless they introduce something that scans your computer. And they don't want to do that either because they don't want to violate your privacy. "Yes i understand, but know it is not and will never be officially supported, but continue using if you must though know we will take action on the harmful public usage."
It's not the players' fault if the game has no real mechanics aside from dps checks and heal checks. Everything else can just be memorized, so without dps/heal comparisons there'd be no room left for improvement.
It's a double edged sword i would say. It's good for those who want to become good at what they are playing, but it also alters the community to get toxic i agree.
when you boil people down to numbers, its easy to dehumanize them in your mind. they are not longer people, they are simply numbers on a screen. who cares about the feelings of numbers on your screen.
Let me fix this for you : "Seeing the dmg / healing of other players leads to comparison & toxic behaviour." should actually be "You're just a toxic person in general if you get toxic because someone isn't doing as well as you are". Nothing about having a damage meter makes you toxic, it's people who are innately toxic that get toxic with a damage meter.
Was thinking about downloading ACT today because, like some others have said I want to see myself improving. But the more I read and think about it I realise that in the end making it about the numbers and comparing yourself to others. Makes it less of a video game and more of a chore. Just going to enjoy the game :)
I disagree, it's a really really useful tool if you want to get better and do say week 1 savage or ultimate, you can make sure you're pulling your weight and not grieving your team. And raw numbers are the only way to know if you did good or not, unless you have a looot of experience in the game and even then you can be mistaken about your performance, I only look at logs after the fight not while and I get surprisingly mediocre results sometime because I misjudged how much dps some dowtime mechanic costed me. Enjoy the game the way you want, some enjoy big numbers, but it's undeniable that using ACT to improve makes things a LOT easier and allows you to see your mistakes with FFLog replays or xivanalysis that tells you about rotation errors, uptime etc.
i personally had the most fun in this game after i insalled act and started running savage/ultimates and extremes. i didn't know i was trash till act told me, ( was doing 8.8k dps in e9s in 5.2 as GNB so really bad) which led to me looking up rotations and openers. watching my dps rise every week as i got better and better and could just see how much id improved from when i started to a few months after felt great. there is a ting called streamer mode if you want to blue out other people tho know people compare themselves to others of the same class on ff logs not to other people in the raid that are diff classes. so if ur worried about that don't.
@YumSky players that don't improve don't want to, they'll just ignore report cards. For extremes and above though why not as an option but I don't think the devs want 1: this to be part of the game as Yoshida stated and 2: to invest ressources for it that could be used elsewhere. It's up to the community to decide if they want to foster a culture of trying to do your maximum to play correctly because it's fun, as opposed to randomly pressing buttons which doesn't feel as rewarding, or if they accept people not caring about the others and feeling like ppl owe them a carry.
I use it to keep track of how well I’m doing. I’m often top dps as a tank. I don’t say anything to anyone. As long as we’re clearing it doesn’t matter. Progressing a raid in a static is different though. They’re people that you know and you can help when they’re slipping. Toxicity is the problem. Just don’t be toxic and everything is fine.
"We don't know what's installed on your computer" Anyone remember that time Capcom in SFV installed a literal rootkit on PC players' computers to stop them from using costume mods? The stances are like night and day.
For me, it's kind of a weird competitive mindset that I use ACT for - I want to do as much damage as possible, so when I see my name rise the rankings in ACT, I feel accomplished, in almost every dungeon/raid I strive to be the highest on the dps list because it makes me feel accomplished, and if I'm not then I know there's probably something I can do to improve. Never harassed anyone for it, I just make a personal game out of beating the other DPS in damage. The only thing I've used ACT for in-game is to choose who to give damage buffs too - i.e. Dragon Sight, Astrologian Cards, Dance Partner, Etc. because if I'm giving it to someone who's simply not doing as much damage as someone else I know that the dungeon/raid can go faster and smoother by buffing them instead. I won't make a deal out of it in chat, I'll just switch my primary target for buffs subtly.
same, I'm always shooting for Purple, Pink, and Gold when I run content, no matter what it is. I don't really care what others do except in my ultimate static, but it's also known that in Ultimate you HAVE to do above average dps and meet mechanic checks. If anyone whines about ACT in Ultimate, then its my feelings they should not be running Ultimate and wasting 7 other people's 100+ hours of prog. Luckily, toxicity on JP is almost a non-existent thing and is seen mostly from OCE players.
ACT is basically worthless outside of the high end stuff. Dungeons, which are only 4 man btw, and 24 mans are so piss easy it doesn't really matter. FF14 stuff is largely mechanic based not gear based anyways. Especially in content wear you might have gear that is better than the other dps anyways lol as pointed out in this video.
@YumSky i have yet to meet a group on JP that do ultimate without act, it's always a requirement. maybe non-act party is a NA or EU thing, but I never see that on JP.
Helps that their content isn't designed around third party tools and that they actually test their own content instead of making the players do it for free, only for it still to come out bugged
Oh man, imagine if another game did that? Especially if it was a really big game that lots of people have been playing for a long time and you would think could afford to thoroughly test in house but don't? That would be craaaaaazy!
@@youkaijesus484 That was more of a complete disconnect between how players played the game and how they had to play the game. Assuming this is ff11 you're talking about.
So interesting to see where ACT has gone when I contributed some builds of it years ago and used it for work when doing QA on "EverQuest 2." The metrics we had built in weren't very good, we needed it to analyze longer and broader trends.
Say that again when you go do current Savage content and start wiping to enrage timers because you are the only person who is doing more than half of the dps your class should do. And if you don't, then you are correct. You don't have to care about what others are doing. But they shouldn't punish those trying to do the competitive content for the actions of those misusing damage meters in non-competitive content.
@@joostleisder1956 I simply wish for a personal ingame ACT that only tracks MY STATS and MY ACTIONS. if are an experienced player in the game u dont need 3rd part tools to tell u who the deadweight in your party is. most people know who the weaker links are its just a matter of context whether u wanna put up with it or not.
As someone with a lot of hours in WoW, he is right. The DPS meters play a MASSIVE role in literally everything and it definitely isn't enjoyable not being invited due to parsing 3% lower than someone else. FFXIV has been a refreshing experience for me in the MMO genre
Luckily their balancing is always great and you will wipe a shit ton before you even see enrage on most Savage fights. The game breeds close statics because of the 8 man design. WoW its really easy to clear content with many people dead on the floor, so long as a handful got their T3 Corrupted Azerite Superspecial Titan forged proto-neck-a-cape to drop. Or got super lucky in the weekly chest that they had to implement because you can't target gear and have to rely on RNG to hand you the ability to do things at they level you want. Over here if you can clear X number of weeks every single person in your static will be BiS in 8 weeks assuming you can clear all 4 Savage raids in the first week. Which most can't.
WoW is all about stats now. Nobody cares about how good you are at all aspects of the game, nobody learns to build players up and help them grow, they just smash you underfoot if you can't parse in the 95th percentile because that was the reason you guys lost, not because half the dps can't move out of an aoe in time xD.
I had ACT for one single day. I quickly started rolling my eyes at the numbers. A Bard having insanely high DPS while the SAM had little to none. Healer not dpsing at all. Just in a day I started feeling jaded. So I quickly removed it haha. Rather just live in bliss and have "fun" with those players, rather than stress about numbers. And I'm someone who doesn't take these things seriously and just like joking around. So if it managed to make me feel jaded... xD
ACT is a necessary evil, especially if they add more ultimates into the game, which they will, its kinda necessary to improve to that point so you really know where your mini mistakes are, BUT, i a absolutely agree with him. Comming from wow, its a game that endorsed all of this, the difference in how people treat eachother is day and night. numbers like "kicks on casts" or "dps on the pull of boss xyz" become legit points of flame
ACT is extremely toxic, yet you guys insist on using it and such.. They KNOW people use it, but not everyone has it.. Seems unfair, maybe risk that HEAVY cesspool of toxicity or to just not allow act to be used at all for everyone.. hm? Less likely I suppose.
''I Use ACT to better gauge how I can improve myself'' that same person in another raid later: ''Lol wtf are you a sprout? your damage sucks! how are you level 60?'' I'm not saying all who use ACT are like the example above but please don't ignore that ACT or any other similar third-party programs can enable such behavior...just experienced the same treatment just yesterday while doing the aetherochemical facility...
@@Johan87577 no these things do happen. There’s a way to give advice to people without being an asshole about it. Luckily it’s a minority that does this, but that still doesn’t make it right
This. I used a parser to fine tune my Etoile build to pump out as much damage using LITERALLY only luminous flare. Was…disturbingly parsing higher than those guys with S8 on TPD but I had also spent like 100 runs endlessly on Bird God learning how to just not get hit in general. Man you never realize getting hit once destroys your DPS.
@@joostleisder1956 but ff14 is not a competitive game at all. If you want a competitive mmo WoW is your game. Srsly, if one thing is good in wow then it's the endgame "rush". Pushing rio scores and progressing in mythic raids.
@@kovacsbenjamin7960 As long as FF14 has Extreme, Savage and Ultimate modes, there is competitive content. Yes, less of the overall game is competitive, but that does not entirely remove the competitive element. And so long as there is a competitive element to it, the players doing that content need to have the tools to be able to do it. Being able to measure performance (aside from knowing who's not standing in the fire) is part of that, thus a damage meter is required.
This is honestly the perfect response and....it's just refreshing to hear someone in game development say "The reason we will never implement something like this into a game is because we know how bullying works". Like, I didn't even realize until Yoshi said it, but of course if an ACT like tool was built into the game, people would use it to bully and or exclude people. It's (in hindsight after watching the video) obvious that there would be assholes who would do that. So, it's in essence, a "If it's for your own personal use, I don't condone it but won't do anything about it UNLESS you are either very obvious and vocal about using it, or you are using it to harass someone else. And if you do use it to harass someone else, we will punish you for the harassment first." It's like....just listening to that interview is a breath of fresh air.
The only way I'd ever use an ACT to judge another player is to see them struggling and help them get geared, like a Gym bro "I see your struggle! How can I help? Lets get you pumped up!"
You won't need a meter,you'll know if someone is slacking when you've played the game for quite some time(especially on specific job,not using abilities or mechanics) and will have to tell them in a nice way to fix what they haven't been doing right. Offtopic: Do not consider it as "forced positivity" It's a japanese culture thing if I remember right,they like for everyone to help each other and improve one way or another. Had about 3-4 people leave in Alliance raid(World of Darkness first boss) while others stayed to help newbies/improve together to learn mechanics and get use to everything that's happening. Eventually after about 15-20 min of wiping they all understood and beat the raid without wipes.
I do remember this ole conversation. Most of the time the efficiency is for myself and our raid groups. Am I giving Astro cards, dragoon tethering, or dance partnering the right person? Since these are things that affect your overall damage 'contribution'. Damage is the best mitigation in the game.
Games lost their charm of discovery and mystery since internet evolved so much. In old times, when MMORPG only came out. There was little to no such programms. It would be reallly hard to make, find, download, update such things. So players learned everything themselves. You got new trinket? You have to try it out in your regular fights and compare how good it is. Now if you got new trinket - you just run simulation in programm and it tells you how good it is. I really respect asian market for not allowing such 3rd party tools. The best example is monster hunter world. Where capcom dont reveal almost any information about the game mechanics to the players. Not even monster health. I think more games should block such tools, so players can experience it and discover everything themselves, and not by looking at programms that playing for them
I can't agree more, I literally hate being new to a game when the games is already +1 year old cause everybody will tell me "Google it, watch a guide, did you checked the forums?". Like Jesus Christ is it that hard to understand that I want to have my OWN experience with a game where I'm new? It's like watching a movie or reading a book but you already know the plot.
I disagree on some fundamental aspects of the game, in terms of the artificial obscurity in basic game mechanics. Back when I started the game, it was infinitely infuriating to not know how certain fundamental core game mechanics worked such as DoT ticking, DoT snapshotting, cast bar snapshotting, damage variance, how accuracy worked (Now: How Direct Hit scales), how AoE DoTs behave vs Targetted DoTs, how literally any stats scale in a quantifiable manner, potency scaling, etc. All things that would have been put clearly in a wiki in any of the other games I play (Generally RTS's, simulation games like Arma or DCS and RPGs of various sorts like CRPGs and ARPGs, and other MMORPGs like Ragnarok Online) Coupled with the horrendeously vague ToS that FFXIV utilizes, leading to barely anybody giving sprout-me advice on how to get better, I had to either spend hours R&D-ing each and every mechanic like it's a checklist chore, or have (toxic) raiders flame me that I was doing something wrong (which I actually appreciated for a change). When I play a game, I want to improve my skills as a player. But when the road to that is paved with tedious chores that I have to go through to thorougly understand the game, before I even get to cultivate the skills that I want, it's off-putting when you come from a background of wondrously clear and concise wikis. I think the only people who are doing any real "discovery" in the traditional MMORPG sense in FFXIV are the folk over at Allagan Studies and the Crafters who race to come up with the best rotation for whatever newest craft has come out. Some obscurity is nice and can lead to beautiful organic moments of cooperation within the community such as Eureka (as badly designed as that may have been in other aspects), Extreme trials and Savage raids, but the obfuscation becomes artificial when you start to hide the most core of game mechanics that are present within every section of the game, and have a ToS that discourages people from actively helping each other out.
@@mrlullipop1783 This is what happened in HW with the "first" "wowfugies" I don't blame them, but I blame the "I can't think by myself" culture so "I need crap tool to tell me I am not bad" and they start to harrast people for not doing DPS tanks were the most punishing because of our restrictions. Which results how tanks are nowadays... less def more dps... (I suffer as PLD because my way of tanking was a more def way than DPS and they keep saying I was a bad tank because I was not "fully dpsing")
Wrong. This is something I'd read out of someone who literally only started playing games with World of Warcraft. "Third party tools" have been a blight in MMORPGs for a very long time now. People who have played through the age of open world pvp mmorpgs will know this.
I actually disliked the fact that in MHW hunts now show dmg numbers. Although it does help makes you care on efficiency, it does kill tons of other stuff. Like, that a certain build and weapon better than others, it kinda ruin the fun I had in past titles where I just collect them all. In World, I become too sensitive to numbers. It's sad. I know we can disable it, but not everyone will do and the minmaxing mind does create toxicity. I think the numbers is best kept ONLY in training.
i personally use ACT to try and improve my dps because if i see someone of the same class does more damage i want to see what i did wrong and try to improve my own performance by looking at what they did and compare using ffxiv logs
And you are free to do. They just cant say it out loud. As long as you use it to improve yourself and no public shaming other player you are totally fine.
@@stoat2528 Well streamers having it on their stream isn't really a norm you can uphold on if things are legal or not, we've been playing copyrighted music on streams for years too and still do even now we know the big dogs are hunting us. I do agree with the rest though, it was clear that they're fine with people using it on their own as long as it's not used as a tool for harassment.
@Jay Bee the thing is, unless ut modifies the game in some way they will never be able to detect it unless they scan what is running on your pc which is illegal. So unless you shout about it (Yoshida's point) it is indeed fine.
@@rainichan Sometimes you have a party of 3x melee and 1x ranged, and you find that that 1x ranged is dealing less damage than your or the WHM...... who do you card now when you couldnt get a melee card? Probably the melee still buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if no one is in a burst phase, and their damage isnt great either, if the WHM is dealing more than 50% of the damage of the Melee, a ranged card on WHM is better than a ranged card on Melee. Its these minor things in a buffing class that makes ACT very valuable, and ill never play my AST without ACT unless its out of date at the start of a new patch. Even if ultimately its not a huge difference, I enjoy playing to the highest ability I can.
@@Lyute Time to use the aggro list as a measurement of someone's dps? Don't need ACT for that. Just kick them if they don't pull enough threat. Only in player-made groups for exclusive content, of course, not automatically matchmade dungeons. Brilliant thinking, actually.
I use ACT to optimize my own dps and compare it to others who also uses it. I treat it like a "high score" of sorts. Ofc the bottomline and the golden rule for using it, don't talk about it in-game. Do it on discord, or in other private settings. It should never be used for harassment. I've heard so many people getting banned and not wondering why until they admitted that they were talking about their dps numbers... Deserved. I also want efficiency too, but if I want efficiency, I'd want a pre-made of people who strive for efficiency. Not force that mindset onto others. Just pretend ACT is there after your session, you don't know what it is, so you don't talk about it. Until you're done with ff14 for the day.
@@dabooz8893 Did you not see watch the vid...? The point is, "Use it but don't shame other people and you'll be fine. We don't want a report war" and then you go "how about report brrrrrr"
I've just started my adventure in FFXIV and I'm really into it. After being an avid WoW fan (borderline drone) between 2008 and 2018 I must say that Yoshi-P is a god damn genius. The whole obsession with minmaxing & simcrafting ruined WoW's community. You don't bring the player to the group - you bring the class or spec because X does 10% more dps than Y. It's a real god damn shame. So far I'm in love with this game, from a pure design point of view. I couldn't get Blizzard to do anything about the progressively worsening state of faction balance and meanwhile this guy refuses to build in a dps meter because he knows that it ruins the community. Absolute respect.
I don't agree with this at all, and I find your comment a pretty pathetic denial of reality. The only thing that in practice happens in FFXIV is that since there's no acceptable damage meter is that bad players can't be told they are bad when they join a Savage/Ultimate party finder, because any criticism is by definition "harassment"(Or it's an admission that you are using ACT, therefore bannable). This actually makes the community in the game INSANELY passive-aggressive instead of just honest, where people will vote kick you from groups while acting nice 2 seconds before they do it because they can't actually tell you you're bad, or give you advice on your rotation because "They don't pay your sub". The reason people obsess about DPS and minmaxing is because *THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THE FIGHTS*. If Yoshi-P doesn't want people to care about DPS or minmaxing, Square Enix shouldn't make fights where maximum DPS, a good understanding of your job and good teamwork is a REQUIREMENT to clear it.
@@Hooga89 Yeah that's a load of bullshit. "You don't pay my sub" is never said in game, just BS from a reddit post made a few years ago. Bad players are told they are bad all the time in Savage/Ultimate and kicked because of it. You don't run high end content if you think otherwise. You're the one in denial, OP's post was spot on, many bad players can get into WoW raids simply because they had the "optimal" class even if they had no idea how to play it properly. DPS meters are not some magic fix.
@@GarrusN7 I never said bad players weren't told that, I said it's a bannable offense to actually whine about someone's bad dps. Learn to read. I also never said DPS meters are a magic fix, what I actually said is that the fact that ACT is actually bannable makes it so that the community is passive-aggressive around bad players, which is just a fact.
@@GarrusN7 What the hell does it matter? If they perform well then they can get in, it doesn't matter if it's them playing well or just their class being busted. Hooga is entirely correct. If you wish to join the exclusive content, you better make sure you can perform, otherwise the leader is entirely in his right to kick you. He made the party, he can do with it what ever he wants. Extreme/Savage/Ultimate as current content is not made for everyone, and people should be able to tell if others are underperforming more than just failing (the relatively simple) mechanics.
@@Hooga89 "This actually makes the community in the game INSANELY passive-aggressive instead of just honest". Right becuase having DPS meters public REALLY makes people fucking honest and open to improvement. Lets take WoW for example, you outright can't participate in content if you don't play optimal classes and out-gear said content. Everyone just shits on you for having bad DPS even if you were the guy that casted more interrupts in the party and actually followed mechanics. Even for M+ low keys people are requiring high amounts of ilvl (and not to mention stupid RaiderIO score) just to brute force content and get done with it.
I was doing an alliance raid as a DPS and was having issues with the tanks, they refused to turn on their stance and everybody was getting killed. I told them “can you guys turn on your stance? You’re killing the party” Then they reply “your damage is pretty low to be complaining” Like what? I’m running for my life and you’re tracking my dps with your stance off?
Hearing a response that is so accurate to how he feels about privacy is just great. I feel as long you aren’t cheating with these tools or have the advantage of others no harm.
I'm so glad YoshiP made this crystal clear. People need to understand it's not about competition. It's about relaxing, having fun, and partaking in the story. Ffxiv is a RPG 1st. So when you play all that matters is you and your relationship with the npcs and story. Everything else MMO wise is just bonus.
This is completely true. But the game has challenging content made for min-maxers. Not allowing them to have the tools to do so will kill participation in that content. Don't like it, don't participate. As you said, the game has plenty more to do than clearing Extreme, Savage and Ultimate fights while they are current content.
@@joostleisder1956 I agree. Thankfully, YoshiP and his developers have implemented a "dps meter" in game. It starts with a quest and people who wish to know if they are putting out enough dps for endgame raids and whatnot can find out through this. If you kill the dummy in under 3 mins You are putting out sufficient damage. They are striving for people to NOT get fixated on numbers. Like he said, what you do on your own private computer is your own business just as long as you know the risk. If you try to harass other players.
@@Dr.Mrs.TheMonarch i can kill the e12s dummy with a ilvl 420 weapon, it doesn't show dps as a party, its not accurate on dps required either because its specific to different classes and the dps required for different classes in stone sea sky is vastly different from the dps they actually do. dancer bard monk can't get accurate dps because they require a partner/party, and 3 minutes is not enough some classes full burst lines up every 3 minutes(dark knight) so there is no way to really tell if ur doing things well over long stretches of time either or if ur burst phases outside of those 3 minute huge burst phases are good. sotne sky sea sucks
@@slimfastsubaru2043Like I said, I agree with you. You can always do the math yourself. =) or do the other. Like he said it's up to you to take the risk.
Thats because WoW is a much more competitive game and FF14 is more built for casuals so it attracts different crowds with different attitudes towards how they want to spend their time in game
@@Dantarn Mmhmm, no game is really better. Appeals to two different type of people. However I will say that there’s a lot of fun stuff to do in FFXIV while in WoW there’s really only 3 things to do. Mythic +, Raiding and pvp. I feel like WoW should add more to that area
Sometimes you just have to protect players from ruining the game they play. Classic WoW is a prime example of how players chasing the meta ended up making the later stages less fun.
"If I had a calculator right here"
This man remembers early EverQuest.
I think he played EverQuest, too. But i am not sure
@@seskalarafey9285 he did, in an interview video he said that during his younger days, he went to multiple game stores in japan to hunt for a copy of EverQuest since it was very difficult to buy a western game in japan back then. This was one of his reference in rebuilding the failed FF XIV 1.0 to A Realm Reborn
@@frialzers Indeed, and he has always mained casters from way back when which is why he still very much enjoys Black Mage now. It's one of my dreams to be able to interview him for AkhMorning and to be able to talk EverQuest with him.
Good times. Using the calculator or abacus to total up your damage! Eventually we had the likes of Yalp and later on Gamparse.
I was just thinking that and early ultima as well lol
I speak Japanese as my second language and lived and worked there for 19 years. Your Japanese translation is some of the best I have seen. It was 100% accurate to what he was saying in the spirit of it's English meaning.
wow a supportive comment:) there are nice people in this community for real.
@@blubblubwhat what do you mean, most of these comments are supportive
woah, thank you so much! that means the world to me, I'm glad I can reach alot of people with my translations!
yeah just wanted to say thanks too, even timing of subs appearing on the screen is perfect
"It shouldn't be that hard to understand" at the end is just best
haha :D true
Problem is you can try to explain this to some individuals within the raiding community and they will still stick their heads in the sand on the issue. It's a culture problem, not an attitude problem, it will take something radical to force them to change their views and I doubt SE will be willing to take that step. The fact a lot of people in the raiding scene thought the ban of the streamer for criticizing a person's dps on stream was unjustified and agreeing with what he thought should be evident enough. I mean, the only reason people were willing to wipe in coils with Asmongold 20 times on what is considered content that is soloable unsynced at 80 is purely because he is a famous streamer, do you think they would do that just out of the kindness of their hearts? No way; Unless it was a group of really good friends, it would never happen. Most raiders don't care about completing content, they just want everyone else to be on their level, know the fight through watching a video (visual/audio learning *is* a myth) and then complete it as fast as possible so they can get their rewards and log off for the day. It's not as bad in FFXIV as it is in WoW, but it's still really bad. But since raiders make up a tiny portion of the population (the majority of players only do alliance raids and the relic grind) it's not a widespread issue.
@@foxdavion6865 see the thing is I don’t mind if people aren’t on my level, but if they are gonna go into savage content they gotta understand, shits hard. And more often than not they under perform in content where any slack is a massive detriment, almost unplayable. I personally am willing to help people get better and be pro gamers, but people gotta cooperate.
@@foxdavion6865 Not really i will never expect someone 2 bei the best in normal stuff but If you have a minimun in raids U Need it. Otherwise It will fail. Thats why Raider Talks a lot bout DMG Overheal and all this. I rarely meats Raider in Dungeons or ex trials who are blaming Others. Many of Them joining a practice grp and Help the Guys...
@@damte131 " Not really i will never expect someone 2 bei the best in normal stuff *but*" yeah... *but*. No, look, gearing isn't the issue here, it's people judging others by using fflog and parsers. That is harassment, in fact any form of discrimination based on damage output is harassment. As for practice groups? Please... The only times I ever see them being formed is when some pro raider wants to help a friend who is new to the game to unlock Savage or Extreme content so they can join PF groups who farm. I never see anyone doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, that's asking too much of people apparently.
The first rule of 3rd party mods is you don't talk about 3rd party mods.
ikr, the whole idea with ACT is to use it for your own benefit and keep quiet about it, but don't go using it to hammer someone else. Sadly, there are always bellends who end up doing the latter.
@@Eiensakura yup, I think of it as a tool for self improvement
His name is Robert Pulson
With the things they've said, you've probably never felt so in trouble.
DPS meter should be in game function available to anyone...It just could have function to measure only your own damage but it would also tell you how good you are (for example 70th percentile of all players using this DPS meter)
Thats a fckin nonsense that DPS meter is forbidden in a game with 'challenging' PvE modes xD
If a tree falls in the woods and no ones around to hear it, did you really have a damage meter?
And more important: does the tree count as a third party tool?
@@Daiza47 Or even more important: does the tree even exist?
@@lunarn3t229 Drastically important: Was it even a forest you were in?
Maybe if the tree didn't fall in fucking circle aoe's he wouldn't have to worry about getting flamed
How much damage did the tree take? Well if you copy the tree into an excel sheet,
its so refreshing playing a game with a dev team like this
"official yoship says no, but we can't see what you're doing without looking harder and we dont really care as long as you're not using it to call people out"
nice
I don't think they can find it client or server side. ACT just reads the logs generated by the game. If they wanted to stop ACT use, they'd have to stop the game from generating logs, but I feel that the server NEEDS those logs as much as ACT does.
@@Zephal42 No they can totally detect it, you have to install ACT in your FFXIV folder so it would be a simple thing and within their rights to scan through your installation folder.
Them not doing that is an act of extreme generosity on their part, and is one of the things that makes the FFXIV dev team so great.
@@Spiritchuckpvp I don't know if this really matters, but they can't scan your installation folders directly. The most they can do is integrity checks, which would find that "something" else is in the folders. Since the terms of service do not allow anyone to alter the installation files, you could be punished for that. Each installation generates a key and that key can be checked automatically during the very first server handshake when logging in. This just supports your point even more though. Not only is it possible for them to know, they already know exactly who is using ACT, they just choose to be cool about it. It's a breath of fresh air for sure seeing a dev team care enough to make their decisions based on what's best for us first and not be laser focused on profits only. If you treat your community right you won't have to worry about profit. That will come naturally lol.
@@Spiritchuckpvp And you're wrong.
@@Vinclum Care to explain?
Scan through your folders, no, but being able to detect ACT in general? Absolutely.
Many anti-cheats can see what programs you're running and can block you from playing their game. They *could* do that in FFXIV, but it's an extreme act of generosity on their part to not do so, and it's one of the things that makes the team so great.
TLDR; Yoshi-P understands why people use them. Just shut up about it. Dont flame others and he'll turn a blindeye
you still get flamed, wont change anything about the flaming, if PS4/PS5 got a personal parser that only shows one own dps
@@VampireNoblesse I've never EVER seen anyone flame over Parsers. If you get reported for harassments PLUS parsing? That's an easy punishment my guy
@@lenny4039
it's usally indirectly flaming.., but the stance of parser should not and will not change, if Yoshi gives the a personal dps parser to (Ps4/Ps5) players.., who are a minority too (and it's a parser, that only shows their own dps)
@@VampireNoblesse i mean yeah. no ones arguing that it should change bruh.
@@lenny4039 did you know why Yoshi is so adamant on playerbase not using ACT?
Its because there's a huge case in Japan where someone flame someone over ACT damage, and it continue to the guy's real life.
You may not encounter it, but majority of human's behaviour are enough for that kinda stuff to eventually happen.
Yoshi P is a legend, it's a rare pearl in the gaming industries nowaday.
Truly becoming rarer and rarer, we must wrap him in cotton wool
@@slurms777 We must first turn into cotton yarn, then cotton cloth, then we can wrap him :D
Basically the first part he give us opinion as developer to gamer and second part an advice as a gamer to gamer.
"A mouse with multiple buttons could count as a 3rd party tool"
Me: nervous sweating
I literally cannot play MMOs without my MMO mouse, its just so comfy.
There's MMO mouse with macro features that allow custom events on trigger, its OP as heck, makes games easier.
@@SilverforceX You can macro any button with external programs.
@@missilemassacreonline yes but these mice have software built in for them so you don't have to go find another 3rd party program.
@@SilverforceX Anything to hike up the price!
i love how real and empathetic he sees things. its so nice to feel respected as a player and a person at the same time.
Meanwhile : *Wow shit on the players*
Lol it's all just a act
'Do you guys not have phones?'
When you can’t legally say “we know you use these things, just don’t talk about it and we’ll ignore it” so you find the loopholes to say just that
“Read between lines”
1. Officially speaking, we dont allow ACT.
2. We cannot search what programs you are using while playing the game.
3. If you try to trash-talk someone with the information you get from ANYTHING outside of our program, you will receive a penalty of harrassment.
I pretty much got that you shouldn't use act but if you are, don't say you are.
This is what I've been trying to tell people. In Yoshida's position he CANNOT directly say "ACT is allowed" but its been pretty clear to me that he implies every time these questions are asked that he doesn't care if you use ACT as long as it doesn't cause harrasment.
This is just the FF XI Windower thing all over again. They tell you you can't use it, but in so many words tell you that you can use it. just be quiet about it.
Basically meaning "if you want to privately use one for your own reference be our guest... But don't you DARE use it to bully other people with"... Not a quote. Just my personal interpretation and I think it's a perfect balance. He's a good bean and we must all love him ❤️
The problem is, the people using ACT for trash talking someone else, instead of a tool to either help improve yourself or that person is more the issue. Not the use of it in the first place. Part of the reason why I got away from World Progression raiding. Starts out as a measure for mechanics, but once fights are done, gloves were off and the only thing that mattered was how high your individual DPS was to your team members. Immediately lost the fun factor of doing the content. This is speaking for NA obviously. EU/JP servers don't have the same level of superiority complex as US players do.
It's actually smart that yoship states that if someone berates another with numbers from ACT it's going to be 'harrasment first' and 'use of third party tools second' because technically after a raid someone can just logout, go to documents, manually calculate the total damage that person did from the in game logs, and then shit on that person. It's a complicated loophole that technically didn't use ACT but the fact that yoship stated its harrasment first means that person can still be penalized.
Because that is the main point. He didt really care about ACT, he cared more abouy his players not getting bullied.
But from a company standpoint he cant say, you can just use it as long as you dont say it. Which is why he says no to all third party tool.
But its a grey zone, if someone use it they won't really go and catch them. As long as they shutup about it ofc.
And there are crazy raids and ultimates, without using the tools it's super hard which is why
@@ionmeth2031 Exactly, even the devs have to use a parser to tune the fight. If we cannot use a parser to help ourselves optimize, then the devs should not use one when creating the content and should instead rely on their own skills.
@@FtanmoOfEtheirys But that is the use of the 3rd party software in a private manner.
Only for personal gain, nothing malicious.
@@TheMaxCloud exactly, I have nothing against it, I use it for ultimate, especially ucob where it can be a huge chore to remember all of naels quotes. Even e11s for me is unclearable because im colorblind, so act allows me to do it by calling out the color of the mechanic daddy-thancred is using.
When the dev team honestly, truly, and whole-heartedly just wants everyone to have fun and not be bullied.
This is the way.
yet tanks and healers are easily bullied since their mistakes can be seen without any software.
@@ManWithCrowbar That's not something they can really do much about. It's not fair of course but what can you do? Censor their deaths? Make them invincible? Make everyone invincible? Release no interesting content that could challenge you? Give people an activatable god mode?
Like at the end of the day, what they are trying to do is instill the spirt of cooperation and friendliness in the community. They do it by creating the stance that people shouldn't be judged solely on statistics, much less judged in general. It then becomes the player's responsibility to not bring that level of negativity to the game in order to help facilitate that. There's nothing wrong with ranting and raving about a situation but once you make it public and attempt to harass others, that's when you've created a problem that needs penalizing.
I want to emphasize that I'm sure you know this, or had some inkling of that. This lengthy message is more to hammer it home for anyone that wishes to understand just how important it is to maintain a healthy community.
@@ManWithCrowbar easy. report people who are bullying others. take screenshots just to be safe.
@@ManWithCrowbar as a healer I can confirm this happens. I honestly just report it. I don't play around anymore with folks with toxic behaviour like this. It doesn't bother me - I could care less what others think - but I've seen it makes others nervous to participate in group content so I report every single instance I see of actual bullying (not just a little negative venting etc but honest bullying.) If I can save one person from being exposed to the toxicity so common in MMO's I'll consider my efforts worthwhile. Thankfully, FFXIV is far less toxic than other MMO's in general, but when it's there..it's THERE.
It has nothing to do with bullying. It has everything to do with "is your party member wasting the groups time by simply auto attacking mobs."
People need to stop referring to criticism as "being bullied." Id say wasting peoples time is a worse offense than "Hey man, can you actually play your character rather than just auto attack? Our time is valuable."
POV: Your dev team is actually cool
Legit though... It's very obvious they play the game and know very well the habits of MMO gamers. Everything they said makes sense. You may disagree with the decision, but there's no denying what they're saying is reasonable
PoV: Your dev team is actually cool because yoshiP was bullied in WoW
I honestly believe Yoshi P uses ACT himself to caluclate his numbers. Of course he can't admit it.
@@lewismassey9312 He's probably a huge Chad and turns on that option to see only his own damage
@@lewismassey9312 Rumor: I'd heard Yoshi-P ran savage fights on BLM and parsed orange (top 5+%). If true, that's just amazeballs.
It's good to see the devs understand the real issue here. I don't think they care that much about people using it to try and improve their own performance, but are 100% against anyone using it to gatekeep content from others. Because it's not possible to control HOW the results of such a thing are used, they can only say it's not allowed and they'll never add it to the game themselves.
I am allowed to gatekeep my own party whether you like it or not. I dont need to play with you if i dont want to and you wont make me.
@@penultimania4295 yes that is true but if you use an arbritary standard set by you because Jonny didn't do. 5 more dps than Benny because a multitude of reasons then that's gatekeeping. I mythic raided in WoW and the majority of people can't read or interpret logs for the life of them. People only read raw numbers and that's it, they don't understand why sometimes Jonny makes more dps than Benny or the other way. It might be targeted by mechanics, skill, movement that was caused not because they mess up but because you Alex the tank moved so they have to move and in turn lose dps.
Point is, while logs can be great for people who actually understand them to improve. Most people use it as an arbritary barrier to gatekeep individuals that might even be better players than you skill wise but they don't reach your random barrier of entry. Any raid leader worth a dam can identify bad or underpeeforming raiders without add-ons.
and as far as I know, this has been how they used the ToS in effect when it comes to ACT. If you get banned for using it, it was because people reported you for harassing people with it.
@@penultimania4295 You are absolutely allowed to gatekeep your own party, which you put together yourself. However if you attempt to gatekeep a duty-finder party, you are going to run afoul of those pesky Terms Of Service, which say don't harass other players, or prevent them from playing content.
So, if you want to keep those horrible filthy casuals out of your group, do NOT use the duty finder. Run your own static group and be happy with other 1337 players.
@@quixadhal Actually this is true. There's always casual player and hardcore player and both often don't mix well. Creating your own party with the selected few would do great. I mean by now you should have found people that you're impressed with and what not. Keeping duty finder for casual scum like me benefits both side. As I mostly play FF14 while high, I doubt I can be 100% focus. Even savage fuck me up while high, so I normally relax awhile before I queue.
What I learned is that I can't use my abacus while playing FFXIV
you can use it, just hide it under your table and use your feet to calculate numbers.
Don't you dare use it, very bad
illegal even
Seven Hells!!!! Foiled again!
@@solitonmedic straight to jail
@@flygonkerel781 Thal's Balls! They played us like a damn fiddle!
"It shouldn't be that hard to understand."
Yoshi-P going Dad mode for a second there.
Daddy-P
That's not even his final form!
It is satisfying how carefully talks about this. Other publishers just say yes or no, but he explains. That's a thing you didn't see often. I'm appreciate this.
he's trying his absolute best to say that its ok between the lines of saying no. Gotta apreciate that effort
I know it's not for everyone, but I for one really enjoy Yoshida's design philosophy.
Full agreement. The man has entirely wholesome and kindly principles. If someone does not want that kind of care then they are welcome to go elsewhere but to decry them is to be an advocate for bullying.
His opinion is the “right” way to develop games. This has been proven time and time again people are just to selfish to accept it. It’s almost like people have lost how to enjoy themselves. Because anyone who says “I’m into it for the numbers and efficiency it provides” your a lier because nobody wants the extra work or the hunt for efficiency to be a part of their game time. Nobody…and your probably an unpleasant person irl. Risking failure should be part of your experience it’s not a fucking job.
It is for everyone that's why I enjoy it
@@RavenCroftLoft this is why ill never understand wow constantly adding new ways to increase stats in many many different ways
Same! Not to mention i already stress out in a savage fight, having number is just even more distracting and i would worry about the numbers instead of mechanics, which is the fun of the fight. I tried act once ngl , on a dummy training. Never again, its not worth it and not worth the time spent on it. Learn your job, ask for advice, trial and error... at the end of the day if you start worrying about numbers, are you truly having fun?
Well that was very reasonable of him. I see why everyone loves t his guy
Its like sitting with your dad on your young days and he tells you why 'X' thing is wrong.
Got into FFXIV a few months ago and I truly understand why ya'll love yoshiP and the dev team so much. Amazing people ❤️
I recently started playing again after a long break. Did some book dungeon as healer and It was rough lol. Really kind party and explained the simple mechanics and after 2-3 wipes, we beat it.
wholesome parties give me life.
Sounds like a person who plays WoW and understands.
I felt like I was hearing from another player, not a game director.
I’m really sad I never joined FF14 earlier and wasted so much time on WoW.
@@Raansu i saw somewhere that Yoshi-P and the Dev from WoW (idk his name) are friends and why WoW and FFXIV share some similarities
he basically saying if you use ACT just use it discreetly and not shaming others who don't play as well as you
That's always been the case as far as I know. Use it to track your own performance and don't talk shit about someone else.
I was against not having ACT at first but this might be the right decision to not integrate it out of the box. Casuals have zero need in such tool whereas those at the higher end will know how to take a "bullying".
@@johnlake2545 It also makes people not look for solutions because it's easier to blame. If your run is going bad and you can't see any numbers you just keep trying, if you can see one DPS is low you'll just get in the mentality "omg this guy sucks"
He isn’t flat out banning everyone because he’s being generous, do not take his kindness for weakness, this video is not to say to use it discreetly, it’s not to use it at all.
I love seeing my dps sometimes but I can understand.. but honestly.. it seems like people should absolutely report, plus I agree that they don't even look for solutions -_- Plus that person might not want to play. Also this might really lead to making jobs being super mega easy with only a small amount of gcd, if they keep ACTing up.. :/
Thank you very much for translating these interviews for us.
I love how their main concern with ACTs is it will cause bullying. He knows not everyone can be top level. And wont create a culture to alienate casual players or people who just don't have as fast reflexes as others! Yoshi-p is wholesome as hell and it makes its way into the general feel of the games user base.
I love how wholesome this is. All of it. Big respect.
Is it?
@@Johan87577 Is it not?
@@Zumou98 Its wholesome to be firm on your own TOS?
@@Johan87577 what? Are you supposed to just let people break your TOS? TOS is an official and legal document. Of course they are gonna be firm and enforce it. It's the whole point of even making a TOS. What are you in about?
@@Zumou98 That there is nothing to praise a company for standing behind their TOS. Is that hard to grasp?
I use it, but i only use it for myself! Just to step up my own game when i see i starting to fall behind.
With that said: I have NEVER and will NEVER use it to flame or bully anyone else!
And regardless of ACT or not, We are all on different skill/knowladge levels. So always help people, not put ppl down.
//love to everyone!
Even better when you combine it with 'xivanalysis'. I felt I really got good at the game after seeing those mistakes I was constantly making while unaware.
as if you need ACT to know if someone is doing dmg or not xD you can bully people just by observing them in a dungeon or raid.If i see a rdm for example hard casting i dont need ACT to tell he doesnt do dmg !Its rediculous to blame act when its obvious if someone plays bad or not...
@@dimitrischou562 That is a whole different case though. And as previously was stated to this comment. If that RDM had ACT+analysis hed know that he is doing it wrong. The game does not specifically teach you how to use your skills to a 100% efficiency. Heck it doesnt even teach you how to use them really properly at all until you get into savage and have to step up your game ( not even in all cases, since you can also get carried or still not even realise the msitakes you make). But as ppl have also said you dont have to be a dick about it. Try to teach them. They might not realise it at all, what they are doing wrong, because in alot of cases you dont realise youre doing something wron until someone actually tells you that you are and teaches you how to be better ( in a nice way)
then be banished to the seven hells lost one
If everyone was thinking like this they would have add it in the game sadly it’s probably less than 20% of players
"given the opportunity, players WILL optimize the fun out of a game"
@@XCodes And that is fine as long as you dont make ones who are not into it miserable
@@waking00one well don't savage content then
@@Spiritwonder420 Why the fuck shouldn't I? If you care so much, stick to your premade statics so you never have to play with someone that's just trying out content for fun.
I dont think ff14 systems are Not nearly as toxic as wows. For example...If i have to fit 10 runs of +14 Dungeons Into 24 hours because i want all 3 chests and Family and Work...of course im gonna get pissed at you If you Play Like Shit, yet you still applied to my Party, Destroyed my Key and your Raider IO is for me at that Point clear as day, bought. For what tough...so i invite you to destroy my Key?
The Game is punishing me hard for Others mistakes and its highly competitive. Of course im gonna be pissed when i build my das around for such a system.
"It shouldn't be that hard to understand."
I love him, he's a treasure
5:19 friendly reminder that there are parses of this man's performance on fflogs that show he is an absolute beast
Well he did say "all" efficiency. I'm down to parsechimp but when. I'm running a dungeon I couldn't care less about swiftcasting a glare lol
really? how do i find them
@@abssii_ I guess search by player on fflogs?
@@Poldovico found it! That man is an absolute beast of a BLM my god. Theres also a video of him in action.
@@abssii_ he is what I aspire to be as a black mage
Thanks for all the work creating this videos for us all!!
This is honestly the perfect stance to take on it. I love how they're handling this. Once again, Yoshi P. shows what an amazing leader he is!
He’s literally the most humble game developer I’ve ever seen. What a legend.
And this is why I love FFXIV. Kindness and respect for others. They emphasize having fun.
Did you ever raid? No kindness because we cant actually talk about the elephant in the room - someones dps
@@Silphiroth I raided for many years at the heroic level in WoW. There are ways to help players improve on your raid team besides humiliating them with posting their dps for all to see. Kindness and raiding are not mutually exclusive. Great leadership lifts up their team and inspires them to do their best whether in game or at work.
@@MissTayzha While you're correct, this game still has that same toxic people. It's just much more hush-hush, especially for higher end content where they gate keep.
Yoshi: We might ban third party tools, also we can't detect third party tools *sly wink*
That's not a "we can't", that's a "we don't want to"
@@Rena-kc2pr Legally they can't.
@J S what’s against TOS is what they can ban for legally speaking and 3rd party tools is one of them. If your using it and you shit on someone basically your banned. It’s the same as saying the tool is banned because of x. They don’t want to ban people for using it but they will so hush and keep it to yourself.
@@yourjunes Legally they can detect if their encrypted log is executed during gameplay and just crash your game.
@@yourjunes Yeah they totally can, plenty of anti-cheat programs are highly invasive and can search through anything on your PC.
Many esports titles use those systems.
I think yoshi knows what dmg meters did to wow and is trying to stop it from happening in ff14
While then also adding fights that kinda need an DPS meter.
Try to do E11S on content (so before 5.45) with 1 DPS not doing enough, let's say an SAM, since that is a pure DPS that brings nothing but DPS to the table.
Said player doesn't die so he's executing mechanics correctly, but you're wiping to enrage.
How are you gonna determine that this SAM isn't going enough DPS? and not "check the emnity bar!" sometimes you see an healer high up there, it's a way but not accurate.
@@DarkDyllon Go with that Samurai to a target dummy, and watch how they do their rotation. Turn party members' spell effects back on and watch, see if you can spot gaps or broken combos, or abilities not being used at all. Or ask them specific questions: "Can you kill the target dummy in Stone Sea Sky before the timer runs out? Do you click any of your buttons? Are you ever letting your GCD stop rolling between attacks?" There's a good chance that by actually talking to the player who's not doing enough, and giving them a little coaching while being positive and not condescending, you can help them improve out of needing to be carried and they'll thank you for it.
@@MarkZeroGaming Ok, so there is an major flaw right here.
How do I know that this SAM isn't doing enough damage, why am I asking it specifically to the SAM and not the other DPSers?
this just screams "I'M USING ACT BUT I'M TRYING MY BEST TO HIDE THE FACT I'M USING IT!"
but this also creates another issue, for starters, what if this SAM isn't from my server? I have to world hop to see how this SAM is performing.
As I also mentioned being able to kill the target dummy means nothing, absolutely nothing it's literally only there to practice your entire rotation after you got it down, you can stand still on it and do just fine why? because it doesn't simulate mechanics.
You can easily hit max DPS on it but then you gotta disengage from said boss meaning your DPS is gonna end up being lower, having high DPS on there doesn't mean you can get high DPS while executing mechanics.
The thing i'm getting at with these specific things is that, why waste my time coaching this SAM in question to be better and maybe cause a few more wipes and hope he/she gets it ... or just kick and replace this person and most likely get an better player.
The game doesn't actually teach you how to properly play a job, the "hall of novice" isn't even accurate anymore "dodge an AOE" ... wow, stellar advice SE.
for tanks it shows that the DPS can tank an mob that just appeared (the final step) this is technically correct, but healers/DPS panic and start running like crazy once they have agro, more often than not they panic.
I'm all for helping players so the skill ceiling can finally be raised instead of continuesly dumbed down every expansion, but the problem becomes when you have to start to invest time into randoms you'll likely never meet again, i'm not saying only a few thousand below what an average SAM would do, I mean dealing 13-14k dps as a SAM, while a SAM can easily hit 23k now, that's just with basic knowledge (I speak from experience as my SAM is not even BiS, I don't main it, yet I can hit 23k quite easily)
off topic but nice currents picture ❤️ 🤘🏻
@@DarkDyllon alternatively, instead of caring about the failures, you can look at tall the players and groups where you have succeeded in beating the content, and be grateful to them for being good and knowing their roles. Not a criticism, just another way of appreciating the same situation.
Essentially, It's against ToS to use third party but if you keep it to yourself and don't ruin the experience for others, we'll turn an eye to it.
At least that's my take on it for the past 8 years with XIV modding.
I man that is the least they can do if they don't update their game
That's basically what's it been like since it was first brought up forever ago
Overall the "yeah people do it, but don't talk about it" is a pretty good rule. It avoids a lot of the toxicity in "OTHER LARGE MMO" that comes from damage meters. As long as they don't really enforce it much. Then you can use it to improve and cheer your friends on but can't shit on people and spam the damage logs in party chat as a "fuck you" like in "OTHER LARGE MMO".
(Other large MMO is WoW btw)
They said nothing of the sort’s. They said that even if you only use it for personal use that they will still penalize you if they decide to ban all accounts that use third-party mods.
The keyword is that they said IF they do decide to ban accounts with third-party mods, its your risk. Regardless, it’s still not allowed
This. They are legally bound and cannot say otherwise. Yoshi-P did subtly call ACT a calculator though so there's your answer.
I used to use ACT but stopped because I feel like I’m starting to judge people base on their numbers and that’s not a good mentality (for me) to have.
I can understand this completely. I started playing WoW at a time where a dps tracker was practically seen as a "must-have" addon. So seeing everyone's numbers and comparing them to myself and others has been something that I have just grown used to. I've been playing FF14 for going on 3 months now, and to not have that ticker down in the corner of my screen has actually been so refreshing. It's so nice to go into fights and just be worrying about mechanics instead of just having the mentality of "well, our numbers aren't high enough."
the only people i judge are the ones who spend the entire duty auto-attacking and not putting in any effort. those are the ones who NEED to be judged because they don't contribute with anything and just sit there waiting for everyone else to carry them. and there are a LOT of them. you usually get one per alliance raid at least.
You can use the "streamer mode" i.e blurred names to stop focusing on that and instead be forced to focus on YOU and your own performance
@@Jekani id say its less useful if you are a DPS/not in extreme content, but when someone is legitimately not doing ANYTHING the tracker helps. Also gives you a point to ask if they need pointers. Most people are willing to hear you out if you express your concern nicely. But i do keep it off for almost all other content. No need to be sweaty in a Leveling Roulette LUL
@@yondaimesin I 100% always have ACT on just out of habit and usually roulettes I ignore its there. But will pay attention to it when doing savage/ultimates. Also I don't need it to know when I see someone being lazy or just downright afking in a dungeon...
Had a monk who would only hit bootshine in Nier raid... I saw it happening called them out and they just said "its only a 24 man dude I cba even playing properly." This is the mentality I want squished as its so unfair to the other players actually doing their job.
I use act and actively try to be the biggest dps in my role, often topping damage charts. But i will never shame others for doing less dps. If everyone was tryharding this would be a toxic competative game. Please keep having fun and just playing casually with your class, and i will tryhard for myself and myself only.
That thinking is very healthy. But there is sooo many ppl who would just use that data to push players out of group and shame them. Look at WoW. First was dps meters and you had to deliver or get kicked. Now there is raider io and you dont even get invited. I got sick of it because if you dont play a lot and fall behind on ilvl no one is even gonna bother with you on a simple dungeons. Because of that community gets meta focused and it drags toxicity with it. I loved to top the meters too but had to jump on carousel and constantly keep up with the upgrades. Starts to feel like a second job. In order to do fun stuff you have to grind not fun stuff which takes most of your time. And on top of that it never ends
@@rafapuawski498
You get kicked for poor performance because you can’t kill some bosses with low group DPS. It’s not personal. Learn your class.
@@brandonkruse6412 “it’s not personal” is a very popular excuse for harassment.
It doesn’t matter if it’s personal or not.
@@Kaiyalai_Indigo Calling someone out for not playing the game correctly is harassment? How? I'd love for someone to call out mistakes I make that I don't know about so I can fix them and improve. Is every type of constructive criticism harassment in your world or what? lol
@@brandonkruse6412 not really. Im not talking about underperforming and getting kicked. I never personally was kicked either as dps healer or tank. Wasnt invited for lower ilvl yes. Its like try not to get curve in first two weeks of new content. And you see premades 90% curve only. Its not like you cant kill a boss. Now players are jugded before they even have a chance to show how they perform. That is disturbing.
"You can have ACT if you prove you aren't going to be a**holes about it, but we all know that isn't going to happen so the answer is no."
they know, for every person who uses it constructively, there will always be 10 people using it to be assholes.
This!
I made a similar comment but I think you said it better. 😁
They know we're going to use it, but they want us to not be jerks about it.
That's a really difficult request, for some players.
@@cuterpooter I mean if your wiping by not making dps checks it’s easy to see who isn’t pulling their weight.
@@u13erfitz and thats where the finger pointing starts. And after that the gate keeping will follow. "You cant join unless you can prove you can do X dps".
@@Proxyincognito If you are trying to do Ultimate you can't have laggards. If someone isn't pulling their weight it is time for them to ship out. That being said x dps is going to depend on class. Remember buffs to other people is part of dps brought as well. Also, this seems like cop out. Developers can balance dps they just don't to keep people on a treadmill. Lots of people use ACT but you don't see certain classes getting booted cause square does their job.
Totally agree with them. Was alike many a Former WoW gamer (However being playing FFXIV since it launched) and the days of raiding and recount wasn't just the vileness because people where low numbers about Remove it and the stress for not seeing your own numbers wasn't fun.
I actually think its a great way to track your progression as a player though. To see your average numbers rise is a great experience as well. Really seeing the impact of perfecting your rotations and the implications of your new gear is a reason I enjoy these games. Now I don't agree with people harassing other people because of their low numbers so its a double edge sword.
@@SeraphSlater Yes, if the harassment issues are being dealt with, which is really hard if you implement ACT or similar programs its nice to see the numbers rise, BUT(!) in WoW Bosses are Geargated so the maximum dps you can do is actually needed, while ff14 bosses are most of the time (yes there are a few exceptions) mechanical bosses, so an ACT would loose relevancy there.
@@strike4489 Yes this is true! Damage doesn't matter much because if everyone knows the boss mechanic, you most likely will down the boss. WoW is different. DPS meter should be allowed in WoW because you're under a timer (Mythic +).
@@dodo5257-v3f Yeah, thats not the case in savage raiding. Most bosses have DPS checks, and enrage if you don't do enough damage.
@@SeraphSlater Yes, to an extent.
The problem is the risk of abuse. Making a game all about efficiency and eeking the last 1-2% DPS is not fun for a lot of people. Doing so in WoW which has fed that mentality has stripped the game of it's soul - talents? Pared back to the minimum. Gearing? Also stripped down to the minimum. Gone are the fun proc weapons with cool abilities for the most part. Want to a Mythic+ group, what's your raider.io score? Are you meta? No, then get out.
You make ACT official and classes like bards and dancers will quickly drop in population. What I love about the game is that it really have the "support class" that wow always wanted (not healers, but classic warlocks). We don't need to see the numbers if I know that black mage does more damage by design, and dancer does more damage spread to their party members.
I love this devs
Doubt so, ppl already parse like on WoW and even there when DH and warrior are meta for example, you bring an Enh shaman, no matter if it's good or trash cause of windfury totem, just how you bring a bard or dancer.
i dont play mmos without dps meters, thats like going to gym and lifting blank mystery weights, no idea what im doing or how to improve, i dont understand why i would do combat if cant see my performance
Without no parse to compete,no one comparing dps meters theres no reason to not press 1 button only lol
"Personally, I don't enjoy games that are all based off Efficiency."
Right there. There it is, guys. That is the problem with WoW. Efficiency is for work. Not for play. Play is supposed to be for relaxing. Not stressing.
I think people can decide for themselves what they enjoy
But the moment a fight has a dps check, it's already demanding some minimum level of efficiency.
That argument goes out the window when you consider savage and ultimate content. Both of which do in fact require efficiency. And Ultimate raids most certainly are not for relaxing.
but a ton of people legitimately enjoy being as efficient as possible in everything they do, even playing a game. Some people might not enjoy trying to be as efficient as possible in games and don't understand people that do. Meanwhile there's also plenty of people who love being as efficient as possible and don't understand people who are okay with not improving
People have different preferences and find different aspects of games fun so you point is kinda moot here, there is no rainbow that leads to a universal definition of "fun". Different people enjoy things differently
Just like how some people love high-end content and raiding in games while other people find it too stressful. Stressful for you, fun for them
@@LordAnorak if you're running that content outside of statics you're destined for failure anyway. No amount of ACT is going to keep the weakest link of your party alive anyway.
I love when the developers, owners, coders, whomever, understand everything we do in game and understand why we use things or not. Just his understanding in epic amongst himself.
Comment boosting this for the relevance it shares here on May 11, 2022.
Guys I’m gonna start parsing with a calculator from now on
Just as long as you’re not using those calculations to harass anyone you’re gold.
Bruv use your fingers.
I was wondering why a stream from last year was relevant again for some reason, and then I realized it's because of the influx of new players asking for this as an official feature, isn't it?
No doubt there are refugees begging for the ability to measure dps and decide who will and who won't be allowed to play with them xD (Obviously some people just like to see their numbers)
god bless this man
i haven't seen these two sitting so close to eachother in what feels like forever
I understand both ways of thinking about the issue. However I will continue to use ACT to improve my own gameplay if nothing else. It's a tool to help me play better in the end.
No one's gonna and no one should give you problems for using it. Just.. keep it on the down low, wink wink
no issue in using it.
the real issue is people uses it to harass other players. and thats the problem.
just like what yoshi p kinda subtly imply in the vid. dont talk about it in game, don't bully people for having low dps, and preferably only use it with premades of your small raiding circle who has the same efficiency mindset as you
Yeah pretty much. It's why yoshi p continued "recommending" you not use it rather than commanding. He understands people will continue using them and there's no real way to stop it unless they introduce something that scans your computer. And they don't want to do that either because they don't want to violate your privacy.
"Yes i understand, but know it is not and will never be officially supported, but continue using if you must though know we will take action on the harmful public usage."
once you get your rotation and stats in place you dont need ACT anymore
As a WoW player i agree with them. Seeing the dmg / healing of other players leads to comparison & toxic behaviour. Its sad but its the reality.
I think it shifts the attitude from "Lets work together to beat this boss" to "I want to beat everyone in damage."
It's not the players' fault if the game has no real mechanics aside from dps checks and heal checks. Everything else can just be memorized, so without dps/heal comparisons there'd be no room left for improvement.
It's a double edged sword i would say. It's good for those who want to become good at what they are playing, but it also alters the community to get toxic i agree.
when you boil people down to numbers, its easy to dehumanize them in your mind. they are not longer people, they are simply numbers on a screen. who cares about the feelings of numbers on your screen.
Let me fix this for you : "Seeing the dmg / healing of other players leads to comparison & toxic behaviour." should actually be "You're just a toxic person in general if you get toxic because someone isn't doing as well as you are". Nothing about having a damage meter makes you toxic, it's people who are innately toxic that get toxic with a damage meter.
Was thinking about downloading ACT today because, like some others have said I want to see myself improving. But the more I read and think about it I realise that in the end making it about the numbers and comparing yourself to others. Makes it less of a video game and more of a chore. Just going to enjoy the game :)
I disagree, it's a really really useful tool if you want to get better and do say week 1 savage or ultimate, you can make sure you're pulling your weight and not grieving your team. And raw numbers are the only way to know if you did good or not, unless you have a looot of experience in the game and even then you can be mistaken about your performance, I only look at logs after the fight not while and I get surprisingly mediocre results sometime because I misjudged how much dps some dowtime mechanic costed me. Enjoy the game the way you want, some enjoy big numbers, but it's undeniable that using ACT to improve makes things a LOT easier and allows you to see your mistakes with FFLog replays or xivanalysis that tells you about rotation errors, uptime etc.
@YumSky why would the devs do that when it exists and is accessible ?
I agree. I enjoy playing the game the way it designed to be played, rather than trying to be a perfectionist who only cares about numbers.
i personally had the most fun in this game after i insalled act and started running savage/ultimates and extremes. i didn't know i was trash till act told me, ( was doing 8.8k dps in e9s in 5.2 as GNB so really bad) which led to me looking up rotations and openers. watching my dps rise every week as i got better and better and could just see how much id improved from when i started to a few months after felt great. there is a ting called streamer mode if you want to blue out other people tho know people compare themselves to others of the same class on ff logs not to other people in the raid that are diff classes. so if ur worried about that don't.
@YumSky players that don't improve don't want to, they'll just ignore report cards. For extremes and above though why not as an option but I don't think the devs want 1: this to be part of the game as Yoshida stated and 2: to invest ressources for it that could be used elsewhere. It's up to the community to decide if they want to foster a culture of trying to do your maximum to play correctly because it's fun, as opposed to randomly pressing buttons which doesn't feel as rewarding, or if they accept people not caring about the others and feeling like ppl owe them a carry.
This video has it all. I think it should be spread more now.
I use it to keep track of how well I’m doing. I’m often top dps as a tank. I don’t say anything to anyone. As long as we’re clearing it doesn’t matter. Progressing a raid in a static is different though. They’re people that you know and you can help when they’re slipping. Toxicity is the problem. Just don’t be toxic and everything is fine.
"We don't know what's installed on your computer"
Anyone remember that time Capcom in SFV installed a literal rootkit on PC players' computers to stop them from using costume mods? The stances are like night and day.
For me, it's kind of a weird competitive mindset that I use ACT for - I want to do as much damage as possible, so when I see my name rise the rankings in ACT, I feel accomplished, in almost every dungeon/raid I strive to be the highest on the dps list because it makes me feel accomplished, and if I'm not then I know there's probably something I can do to improve. Never harassed anyone for it, I just make a personal game out of beating the other DPS in damage.
The only thing I've used ACT for in-game is to choose who to give damage buffs too - i.e. Dragon Sight, Astrologian Cards, Dance Partner, Etc. because if I'm giving it to someone who's simply not doing as much damage as someone else I know that the dungeon/raid can go faster and smoother by buffing them instead. I won't make a deal out of it in chat, I'll just switch my primary target for buffs subtly.
TFW you partner the tank and the dps goes ?!?! but you can't say anything pepehands
same, I'm always shooting for Purple, Pink, and Gold when I run content, no matter what it is. I don't really care what others do except in my ultimate static, but it's also known that in Ultimate you HAVE to do above average dps and meet mechanic checks. If anyone whines about ACT in Ultimate, then its my feelings they should not be running Ultimate and wasting 7 other people's 100+ hours of prog.
Luckily, toxicity on JP is almost a non-existent thing and is seen mostly from OCE players.
ACT is basically worthless outside of the high end stuff. Dungeons, which are only 4 man btw, and 24 mans are so piss easy it doesn't really matter. FF14 stuff is largely mechanic based not gear based anyways. Especially in content wear you might have gear that is better than the other dps anyways lol as pointed out in this video.
@@GarrusN7 Of course, it is worthless, I completely agree, but I simply enjoy the minigame of competing for top dps in the dungeon
@YumSky i have yet to meet a group on JP that do ultimate without act, it's always a requirement. maybe non-act party is a NA or EU thing, but I never see that on JP.
Helps that their content isn't designed around third party tools and that they actually test their own content instead of making the players do it for free, only for it still to come out bugged
Old Absolute Virtue would like to have a word with you
Oh man, imagine if another game did that? Especially if it was a really big game that lots of people have been playing for a long time and you would think could afford to thoroughly test in house but don't? That would be craaaaaazy!
@@JackgarPrime *tips hat, sips tea, walks away*
@@JackgarPrime yeah, also imagine if devs of said game are being sexually harassed at work too? God, that would be unbelievable!
@@youkaijesus484 That was more of a complete disconnect between how players played the game and how they had to play the game. Assuming this is ff11 you're talking about.
I absolutely love how determined they are to keep their game fun and not let bad mindsets and attitudes ruin it for others.
So interesting to see where ACT has gone when I contributed some builds of it years ago and used it for work when doing QA on "EverQuest 2." The metrics we had built in weren't very good, we needed it to analyze longer and broader trends.
I don't care about what others are doing. I just want to know I am doing my best so I am not letting down others.
Say that again when you go do current Savage content and start wiping to enrage timers because you are the only person who is doing more than half of the dps your class should do.
And if you don't, then you are correct. You don't have to care about what others are doing. But they shouldn't punish those trying to do the competitive content for the actions of those misusing damage meters in non-competitive content.
@@joostleisder1956 I simply wish for a personal ingame ACT that only tracks MY STATS and MY ACTIONS. if are an experienced player in the game u dont need 3rd part tools to tell u who the deadweight in your party is. most people know who the weaker links are its just a matter of context whether u wanna put up with it or not.
As someone with a lot of hours in WoW, he is right. The DPS meters play a MASSIVE role in literally everything and it definitely isn't enjoyable not being invited due to parsing 3% lower than someone else. FFXIV has been a refreshing experience for me in the MMO genre
Luckily their balancing is always great and you will wipe a shit ton before you even see enrage on most Savage fights. The game breeds close statics because of the 8 man design. WoW its really easy to clear content with many people dead on the floor, so long as a handful got their T3 Corrupted Azerite Superspecial Titan forged proto-neck-a-cape to drop. Or got super lucky in the weekly chest that they had to implement because you can't target gear and have to rely on RNG to hand you the ability to do things at they level you want. Over here if you can clear X number of weeks every single person in your static will be BiS in 8 weeks assuming you can clear all 4 Savage raids in the first week. Which most can't.
WoW is all about stats now. Nobody cares about how good you are at all aspects of the game, nobody learns to build players up and help them grow, they just smash you underfoot if you can't parse in the 95th percentile because that was the reason you guys lost, not because half the dps can't move out of an aoe in time xD.
I had ACT for one single day. I quickly started rolling my eyes at the numbers. A Bard having insanely high DPS while the SAM had little to none. Healer not dpsing at all. Just in a day I started feeling jaded. So I quickly removed it haha. Rather just live in bliss and have "fun" with those players, rather than stress about numbers. And I'm someone who doesn't take these things seriously and just like joking around. So if it managed to make me feel jaded... xD
ACT is a necessary evil, especially if they add more ultimates into the game, which they will, its kinda necessary to improve to that point so you really know where your mini mistakes are, BUT, i a absolutely agree with him. Comming from wow, its a game that endorsed all of this, the difference in how people treat eachother is day and night. numbers like "kicks on casts" or "dps on the pull of boss xyz" become legit points of flame
Then u will turn FFXIV into Wow.. ACT is needed in some way but it will pull ALOT of toxicity.
ACT is extremely toxic, yet you guys insist on using it and such.. They KNOW people use it, but not everyone has it.. Seems unfair, maybe risk that HEAVY cesspool of toxicity or to just not allow act to be used at all for everyone.. hm? Less likely I suppose.
Damage will ALMOST NEVER be the reason you fail clears. If you fail its because you failed mechanics
@@neopabo Week One raid clear it's crucial, why strong raid groups expect high performance using act/fflogs to validate.
Act isn't evil. The toxicity of people who insult others is evil.
God bless I love this community.
If only more game devs would be like this glorious man.
''I Use ACT to better gauge how I can improve myself''
that same person in another raid later:
''Lol wtf are you a sprout? your damage sucks! how are you level 60?''
I'm not saying all who use ACT are like the example above but please don't ignore that ACT or any other similar third-party programs can enable such behavior...just experienced the same treatment just yesterday while doing the aetherochemical facility...
Things that never happened for two please
@@Johan87577 no these things do happen. There’s a way to give advice to people without being an asshole about it. Luckily it’s a minority that does this, but that still doesn’t make it right
@@someclevername8167 report and move on
@@Johan87577 Yep, as they said - that statement that the OP posted would be seen as harrassment by SE, not just use of 3rd party tools
@@Johan87577 Good for you that it never happened at all...some of us are just unlcky I guess ^^
I want to thank PSO2 Parser for teaching me how to actually play Luster
Damage log is always welcomed (secretly)
yo, where do i find this parser, and does it work for NGS yet?
This. I used a parser to fine tune my Etoile build to pump out as much damage using LITERALLY only luminous flare. Was…disturbingly parsing higher than those guys with S8 on TPD but I had also spent like 100 runs endlessly on Bird God learning how to just not get hit in general. Man you never realize getting hit once destroys your DPS.
@@KenBladehart And when the level cap is increased from 20 lol
Yoshi-P, much love and respect.
This stance helps keep FF14 friendly.
This stance keeps competitive players out of the game.
This stance keeps casual toxicity being as bad as it already is in this game. You're delusional
@@joostleisder1956 but ff14 is not a competitive game at all. If you want a competitive mmo WoW is your game. Srsly, if one thing is good in wow then it's the endgame "rush". Pushing rio scores and progressing in mythic raids.
@@joostleisder1956 oh no those poor 1%
@@kovacsbenjamin7960 As long as FF14 has Extreme, Savage and Ultimate modes, there is competitive content. Yes, less of the overall game is competitive, but that does not entirely remove the competitive element. And so long as there is a competitive element to it, the players doing that content need to have the tools to be able to do it. Being able to measure performance (aside from knowing who's not standing in the fire) is part of that, thus a damage meter is required.
"i personally don's enjoy games that are all based off efficiency." they are so honest and nice people!
This is honestly the perfect response and....it's just refreshing to hear someone in game development say "The reason we will never implement something like this into a game is because we know how bullying works". Like, I didn't even realize until Yoshi said it, but of course if an ACT like tool was built into the game, people would use it to bully and or exclude people. It's (in hindsight after watching the video) obvious that there would be assholes who would do that. So, it's in essence, a "If it's for your own personal use, I don't condone it but won't do anything about it UNLESS you are either very obvious and vocal about using it, or you are using it to harass someone else. And if you do use it to harass someone else, we will punish you for the harassment first." It's like....just listening to that interview is a breath of fresh air.
The only way I'd ever use an ACT to judge another player is to see them struggling and help them get geared, like a Gym bro
"I see your struggle! How can I help? Lets get you pumped up!"
"Noticed you have the same gear as X. Seems that you do less damage than X. Please contact X for further help"
You won't need a meter,you'll know if someone is slacking when you've played the game for quite some time(especially on specific job,not using abilities or mechanics) and will have to tell them in a nice way to fix what they haven't been doing right.
Offtopic:
Do not consider it as "forced positivity" It's a japanese culture thing if I remember right,they like for everyone to help each other and improve one way or another.
Had about 3-4 people leave in Alliance raid(World of Darkness first boss) while others stayed to help newbies/improve together to learn mechanics and get use to everything that's happening. Eventually after about 15-20 min of wiping they all understood and beat the raid without wipes.
Lol... That other guy looks like he's gonna fall asleep.
I love the method of his thinking, that why this game is so great.
Thumbs up for a great translation, thank you
I do remember this ole conversation. Most of the time the efficiency is for myself and our raid groups. Am I giving Astro cards, dragoon tethering, or dance partnering the right person? Since these are things that affect your overall damage 'contribution'. Damage is the best mitigation in the game.
Games lost their charm of discovery and mystery since internet evolved so much.
In old times, when MMORPG only came out. There was little to no such programms. It would be reallly hard to make, find, download, update such things. So players learned everything themselves. You got new trinket? You have to try it out in your regular fights and compare how good it is. Now if you got new trinket - you just run simulation in programm and it tells you how good it is.
I really respect asian market for not allowing such 3rd party tools. The best example is monster hunter world. Where capcom dont reveal almost any information about the game mechanics to the players. Not even monster health. I think more games should block such tools, so players can experience it and discover everything themselves, and not by looking at programms that playing for them
I can't agree more, I literally hate being new to a game when the games is already +1 year old cause everybody will tell me "Google it, watch a guide, did you checked the forums?". Like Jesus Christ is it that hard to understand that I want to have my OWN experience with a game where I'm new? It's like watching a movie or reading a book but you already know the plot.
I disagree on some fundamental aspects of the game, in terms of the artificial obscurity in basic game mechanics.
Back when I started the game, it was infinitely infuriating to not know how certain fundamental core game mechanics worked such as DoT ticking, DoT snapshotting, cast bar snapshotting, damage variance, how accuracy worked (Now: How Direct Hit scales), how AoE DoTs behave vs Targetted DoTs, how literally any stats scale in a quantifiable manner, potency scaling, etc.
All things that would have been put clearly in a wiki in any of the other games I play (Generally RTS's, simulation games like Arma or DCS and RPGs of various sorts like CRPGs and ARPGs, and other MMORPGs like Ragnarok Online)
Coupled with the horrendeously vague ToS that FFXIV utilizes, leading to barely anybody giving sprout-me advice on how to get better, I had to either spend hours R&D-ing each and every mechanic like it's a checklist chore, or have (toxic) raiders flame me that I was doing something wrong (which I actually appreciated for a change).
When I play a game, I want to improve my skills as a player. But when the road to that is paved with tedious chores that I have to go through to thorougly understand the game, before I even get to cultivate the skills that I want, it's off-putting when you come from a background of wondrously clear and concise wikis.
I think the only people who are doing any real "discovery" in the traditional MMORPG sense in FFXIV are the folk over at Allagan Studies and the Crafters who race to come up with the best rotation for whatever newest craft has come out.
Some obscurity is nice and can lead to beautiful organic moments of cooperation within the community such as Eureka (as badly designed as that may have been in other aspects), Extreme trials and Savage raids, but the obfuscation becomes artificial when you start to hide the most core of game mechanics that are present within every section of the game, and have a ToS that discourages people from actively helping each other out.
@@mrlullipop1783 This is what happened in HW with the "first" "wowfugies" I don't blame them, but I blame the "I can't think by myself" culture so "I need crap tool to tell me I am not bad" and they start to harrast people for not doing DPS tanks were the most punishing because of our restrictions. Which results how tanks are nowadays... less def more dps... (I suffer as PLD because my way of tanking was a more def way than DPS and they keep saying I was a bad tank because I was not "fully dpsing")
Wrong. This is something I'd read out of someone who literally only started playing games with World of Warcraft. "Third party tools" have been a blight in MMORPGs for a very long time now. People who have played through the age of open world pvp mmorpgs will know this.
I actually disliked the fact that in MHW hunts now show dmg numbers. Although it does help makes you care on efficiency, it does kill tons of other stuff. Like, that a certain build and weapon better than others, it kinda ruin the fun I had in past titles where I just collect them all. In World, I become too sensitive to numbers. It's sad.
I know we can disable it, but not everyone will do and the minmaxing mind does create toxicity. I think the numbers is best kept ONLY in training.
i personally use ACT to try and improve my dps because if i see someone of the same class does more damage i want to see what i did wrong and try to improve my own performance by looking at what they did and compare using ffxiv logs
And you are free to do. They just cant say it out loud. As long as you use it to improve yourself and no public shaming other player you are totally fine.
@@stoat2528 Well streamers having it on their stream isn't really a norm you can uphold on if things are legal or not, we've been playing copyrighted music on streams for years too and still do even now we know the big dogs are hunting us. I do agree with the rest though, it was clear that they're fine with people using it on their own as long as it's not used as a tool for harassment.
@Jay Bee the thing is, unless ut modifies the game in some way they will never be able to detect it unless they scan what is running on your pc which is illegal.
So unless you shout about it (Yoshida's point) it is indeed fine.
Thanks for this!
I legit love those two so much. glad i found the game few years ago
Legit love
Gold.
I play AST and I just want to know who to put the cards on :'(
Arrow, Balance, Spear: Melee dps/Tanks
Ewer, Bole, Spire: Ranged dps/Healers
@@rainichan lmao come on bro
@@rainichan Sometimes you have a party of 3x melee and 1x ranged, and you find that that 1x ranged is dealing less damage than your or the WHM...... who do you card now when you couldnt get a melee card? Probably the melee still buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if no one is in a burst phase, and their damage isnt great either, if the WHM is dealing more than 50% of the damage of the Melee, a ranged card on WHM is better than a ranged card on Melee.
Its these minor things in a buffing class that makes ACT very valuable, and ill never play my AST without ACT unless its out of date at the start of a new patch. Even if ultimately its not a huge difference, I enjoy playing to the highest ability I can.
You can take a look at the aggro list to have an idea for that :)
@@Lyute Time to use the aggro list as a measurement of someone's dps? Don't need ACT for that. Just kick them if they don't pull enough threat. Only in player-made groups for exclusive content, of course, not automatically matchmade dungeons.
Brilliant thinking, actually.
I use ACT to optimize my own dps and compare it to others who also uses it. I treat it like a "high score" of sorts. Ofc the bottomline and the golden rule for using it, don't talk about it in-game. Do it on discord, or in other private settings. It should never be used for harassment. I've heard so many people getting banned and not wondering why until they admitted that they were talking about their dps numbers...
Deserved. I also want efficiency too, but if I want efficiency, I'd want a pre-made of people who strive for efficiency. Not force that mindset onto others. Just pretend ACT is there after your session, you don't know what it is, so you don't talk about it. Until you're done with ff14 for the day.
yea
You’re using it at your own risk if someone in your guild decides to report you.
@@dabooz8893 Did you not see watch the vid...? The point is, "Use it but don't shame other people and you'll be fine. We don't want a report war" and then you go "how about report brrrrrr"
@@dabooz8893 They won't, it's a golden line of respect being a raider. Break this rule people will spread word.
@@PotatoRankEX No, he said don't use it
Yoshi P is doing so well, he went out and got himself his very own Andy Richter sidekick
Does that make Koji Fox his Jordan Schlansky
@@cheffdonty ha nailed it
this is a very respectable stance, and i fully stand behind it.
Anyone using ACT, just follow one simple rule:
"Don't be a dick."
I've just started my adventure in FFXIV and I'm really into it. After being an avid WoW fan (borderline drone) between 2008 and 2018 I must say that Yoshi-P is a god damn genius.
The whole obsession with minmaxing & simcrafting ruined WoW's community. You don't bring the player to the group - you bring the class or spec because X does 10% more dps than Y. It's a real god damn shame. So far I'm in love with this game, from a pure design point of view.
I couldn't get Blizzard to do anything about the progressively worsening state of faction balance and meanwhile this guy refuses to build in a dps meter because he knows that it ruins the community. Absolute respect.
I don't agree with this at all, and I find your comment a pretty pathetic denial of reality. The only thing that in practice happens in FFXIV is that since there's no acceptable damage meter is that bad players can't be told they are bad when they join a Savage/Ultimate party finder, because any criticism is by definition "harassment"(Or it's an admission that you are using ACT, therefore bannable). This actually makes the community in the game INSANELY passive-aggressive instead of just honest, where people will vote kick you from groups while acting nice 2 seconds before they do it because they can't actually tell you you're bad, or give you advice on your rotation because "They don't pay your sub".
The reason people obsess about DPS and minmaxing is because *THAT IS WHAT IS REQUIRED OF THE FIGHTS*. If Yoshi-P doesn't want people to care about DPS or minmaxing, Square Enix shouldn't make fights where maximum DPS, a good understanding of your job and good teamwork is a REQUIREMENT to clear it.
@@Hooga89 Yeah that's a load of bullshit. "You don't pay my sub" is never said in game, just BS from a reddit post made a few years ago. Bad players are told they are bad all the time in Savage/Ultimate and kicked because of it. You don't run high end content if you think otherwise.
You're the one in denial, OP's post was spot on, many bad players can get into WoW raids simply because they had the "optimal" class even if they had no idea how to play it properly. DPS meters are not some magic fix.
@@GarrusN7 I never said bad players weren't told that, I said it's a bannable offense to actually whine about someone's bad dps. Learn to read. I also never said DPS meters are a magic fix, what I actually said is that the fact that ACT is actually bannable makes it so that the community is passive-aggressive around bad players, which is just a fact.
@@GarrusN7 What the hell does it matter? If they perform well then they can get in, it doesn't matter if it's them playing well or just their class being busted. Hooga is entirely correct. If you wish to join the exclusive content, you better make sure you can perform, otherwise the leader is entirely in his right to kick you. He made the party, he can do with it what ever he wants. Extreme/Savage/Ultimate as current content is not made for everyone, and people should be able to tell if others are underperforming more than just failing (the relatively simple) mechanics.
@@Hooga89 "This actually makes the community in the game INSANELY passive-aggressive instead of just honest". Right becuase having DPS meters public REALLY makes people fucking honest and open to improvement. Lets take WoW for example, you outright can't participate in content if you don't play optimal classes and out-gear said content. Everyone just shits on you for having bad DPS even if you were the guy that casted more interrupts in the party and actually followed mechanics. Even for M+ low keys people are requiring high amounts of ilvl (and not to mention stupid RaiderIO score) just to brute force content and get done with it.
I agree with this. Addons like Recount are one of the reasons why WoW turned into the toxic shithole that it is today.
Gearscore :P
@@sifatalam7 Rio
@@sifatalam7 All a part of the same toxic infection
I was doing an alliance raid as a DPS and was having issues with the tanks, they refused to turn on their stance and everybody was getting killed.
I told them “can you guys turn on your stance? You’re killing the party”
Then they reply “your damage is pretty low to be complaining”
Like what? I’m running for my life and you’re tracking my dps with your stance off?
Hearing a response that is so accurate to how he feels about privacy is just great. I feel as long you aren’t cheating with these tools or have the advantage of others no harm.
I'm so glad YoshiP made this crystal clear. People need to understand it's not about competition. It's about relaxing, having fun, and partaking in the story. Ffxiv is a RPG 1st. So when you play all that matters is you and your relationship with the npcs and story. Everything else MMO wise is just bonus.
This is completely true. But the game has challenging content made for min-maxers. Not allowing them to have the tools to do so will kill participation in that content. Don't like it, don't participate. As you said, the game has plenty more to do than clearing Extreme, Savage and Ultimate fights while they are current content.
@@joostleisder1956 I agree. Thankfully, YoshiP and his developers have implemented a "dps meter" in game. It starts with a quest and people who wish to know if they are putting out enough dps for endgame raids and whatnot can find out through this. If you kill the dummy in under 3 mins You are putting out sufficient damage. They are striving for people to NOT get fixated on numbers. Like he said, what you do on your own private computer is your own business just as long as you know the risk. If you try to harass other players.
@@Dr.Mrs.TheMonarch i can kill the e12s dummy with a ilvl 420 weapon, it doesn't show dps as a party, its not accurate on dps required either because its specific to different classes and the dps required for different classes in stone sea sky is vastly different from the dps they actually do. dancer bard monk can't get accurate dps because they require a partner/party, and 3 minutes is not enough some classes full burst lines up every 3 minutes(dark knight) so there is no way to really tell if ur doing things well over long stretches of time either or if ur burst phases outside of those 3 minute huge burst phases are good. sotne sky sea sucks
@@slimfastsubaru2043Like I said, I agree with you. You can always do the math yourself. =) or do the other. Like he said it's up to you to take the risk.
As a WoW refugee, It's honestly refreshing not being gated by achievements or DPS meters or raider.io stuff. It's fucked up how it became the norm.
Lol, I love that about WoW though. Very competitive.
Thats because WoW is a much more competitive game and FF14 is more built for casuals so it attracts different crowds with different attitudes towards how they want to spend their time in game
@@Dantarn Mmhmm, no game is really better. Appeals to two different type of people. However I will say that there’s a lot of fun stuff to do in FFXIV while in WoW there’s really only 3 things to do. Mythic +, Raiding and pvp. I feel like WoW should add more to that area
as someone who uses ACT. 99% of the time i use it to optimize my own dps its not really about anyone else.
how long has it taken you to learn your one rotation with a class?
i forgot my dnc rotation while taking a break before the gabu patch... all i could think in the new dungeon was "playse suh don't pahs my deegets."
They are so consistent on this message. "Use at your own risk"
Sometimes you just have to protect players from ruining the game they play. Classic WoW is a prime example of how players chasing the meta ended up making the later stages less fun.
if anyone is ruining the game is the toxic trash players who refuse to play the game correctly and ruin it for people who actually use their brains.