Shooting in Double System using Super 8 Fullcoat explained by Bob Doyle president of Super8 Sound. For more info on Super 8 filmmaking today www.pro8mm.com?sca_ref=209348.B5JCznBNTf
This is sweet...but it also makes me glad for wonderful innovations like personal computers and digital video. Once you get things into the digital domain, you are able to play with it endlessly. No worries about too much getting cut off -- it's all markers in timecode and the original never changes. In this way, you can also work with both video and film elements together in the same "playground." Best of both worlds. Thank you for keeping Super 8 alive, guys!
wow that is an amazing little tech-documentary about super8 filming with sound. Thank you so much for uploading this precious reel :) I had no idea that super8 had the same professional editing tools like those for 16 or 35mm.
That's how it was done professionally for many decades. I was a runner back in the early 1980s when they still edited 16mm film and mag sound on a Steenbeck flatbed editor.
When I did some super 8 short films in the early 1990s I shot all my footage on silent Kodak film, Then I would edit my film. After all that was done I would take my film to Super 8 Sound (pro 8mm), Burbank, they would add a sound stripe to my (once) silent film. Then with my elmo projector I would record sound to the film. Back in 1992 It was about 25. cents a foot to add sound stripe. When I shot my last super 8 short film in 1998, I just added the sound to the footage with my pro editing Vcr.
I bought a super 8 reels at a thrift shop about 5-6 years ago. It was not marked. We watched it out of curiosity and it was a home sex tape from what looked to be the late 70s.
Nice video that ook me back to my filming days. Used a Braun Nizo S800 and Farnal-Tandberg 11-M twin track tape recorder that is portable and mains. Used the Cresta equipment including a Philips N4422 tape recorder with Sprocketmaster attached. Just selling that at present.
Ah the days gone by. Back in 1981 I had borrowed a neighbor ladies Technicolor 8mm film camera. I had produced my own version of The Shinning, I was Johnny, my neighbor was the cinematographer. We had really tall Hedges and it was winter. Unfortunately my parents didn't think I was going to be another Stanley or Steven, so they got rid of a lot of my personal things when I joined the Navy. If anyone bought a made film of The Shinning in LaSalle, Michigan, in a yard sale around 1991 let me know. Also version of 2001 A Space Odyssey, using a Rubik'a cube for the monolith, let me know. LOL!
Yes we sold over 2000 of these recorders and editing benches . They do come up sometimes old customer or more often widows of old customs contact me about selling but since I no longer do the repairs of these items I don't get involved in the reselling.
9:16 he mentions here that a magnetic stripe can be added to silent film. does anybody know how that was done at the time? like would you have sent the film to kodak for them to do it, or was there some contraption you could use to do it yourself?
@@lukassteinbrink322 I know this is a late reply, but do you happen to know what those devices are called? It would be really cool if you could take a negative film and apply the stripe, then use an old sound camera
You could send your film to a variety of labs, or use the home device which used a reel of mag-stripe already cut to the correct width. I don't think the home device gave you the "balance" stripe which was necessary for stereo with Super-8. Even if you had this device, you'd still need the special thin tape, and the cement. (Cassette tape might work for 16mm but it would be too wide for Super-8). In the 1980s I tested 16mm mag-stripe for recording film, and Super-8 stereo sound for presenting film - I found both to be unsatisfactory in terms of frequency response. I stuck with a reel-to-reel tape to present my Super-8 films, and a modified "sync" cassette recorder to record sound with my CP-16. --Gary
Len Vine really wish it survived in to 2019 cause that would’ve been cool stuff and I would’ve paid atleast 200 bucks for some 400ft roll of super 8 sound
"Super 8 editors can obtain everything they need to put together professional-looking films, but all of this sophistication is not essential." Sounds like Hollywood.
The human brain has shrunk about the volume of a tennis ball over the last 20,000 years. Soon we'll be living in caves, gnawing on three day old bones.
How do you put sound on Super 8mm movies without editing on a coumputer because Kodak does not make magnetic super 8mm sound film.I did not watch all of it even though I liked it a lot.
The sound stripe was added usually added after editing the film and provided sound was recorded at the time of filming, the sound was then added to the stripe. It took hours of work but worth the effort at the end if we got it right.
Yes it always bothered me that Big K made this film about the professional side of Super 8 but used 16mm to create it. I truly appreciate that it was made but what kind of confidence did they really have in it .
Looks very much like a Bolex, but the camera being used at the start of the film was a Braun Nizo S800, which is the one I used. I still have that and am about to advertise it soon.
Correct. It wa a sound 'Blimp', but a rater crude one that would not reduce all the camera sound. When I was filming, I made a complete boxed blimp with clear glass front and no sound was heard when filming.
Sure, if you want quick work, but for those who enjoy the analog process, the machines and the results, its a joy for them to do it. Paint a picture on the computer/tab/VR or on paper, canvas, glass or as a projection in the air, it's all your choice and we can't force anyone, like I would never force you to do things other than how you like to use them.
This is sweet...but it also makes me glad for wonderful innovations like personal computers and digital video. Once you get things into the digital domain, you are able to play with it endlessly. No worries about too much getting cut off -- it's all markers in timecode and the original never changes. In this way, you can also work with both video and film elements together in the same "playground." Best of both worlds. Thank you for keeping Super 8 alive, guys!
You have no idea how long I have been looking for this film!
wow that is an amazing little tech-documentary about super8 filming with sound. Thank you so much for uploading this precious reel :)
I had no idea that super8 had the same professional editing tools like those for 16 or 35mm.
That's how it was done professionally for many decades. I was a runner back in the early 1980s when they still edited 16mm film and mag sound on a Steenbeck flatbed editor.
This is how I first learned to edit. I miss it!
When I did some super 8 short films in the early 1990s I shot all my footage on silent Kodak film, Then I would edit my film. After all that was done I would take my film to Super 8 Sound (pro 8mm), Burbank, they would add a sound stripe to my (once) silent film. Then with my elmo projector I would record sound to the film. Back in 1992 It was about 25. cents a foot to add sound stripe. When I shot my last super 8 short film in 1998, I just added the sound to the footage with my pro editing Vcr.
Adobe Premiere Pro 1977
It’s not ProTools it’s vintage tools
@@brycelacey8707 r/woooosh?
a trick: you can watch movies on Kaldrostream. Been using them for watching loads of movies these days.
@Benton Darren Yup, have been watching on kaldrostream for years myself :)
@Benton Darren Yup, I've been using kaldrostream for months myself :)
I bought a super 8 reels at a thrift shop about 5-6 years ago. It was not marked. We watched it out of curiosity and it was a home sex tape from what looked to be the late 70s.
Sex *film*, you mean. ... there was an art to it once....
this is a real art of cinema
Nice video that ook me back to my filming days. Used a Braun Nizo S800 and Farnal-Tandberg 11-M twin track tape recorder that is portable and mains. Used the Cresta equipment including a Philips N4422 tape recorder with Sprocketmaster attached. Just selling that at present.
Cresta Have not thought about them in a million years.
10:45 MCMLXXVII means 1977.
OMG i did this in film school... this is sooo painful!!
0:12 That's "Freeway" by Roger Webb, from 1972
Must have used the same LP ("Free as Air", Music De Wolfe) for the whole film: at 6:26 is "Incantation" by Roger Webb
Thank for pointing out the date error . Next time I'm in the account i'lll fix it
This is great. Very interesting!!
Ah the days gone by. Back in 1981 I had borrowed a neighbor ladies Technicolor 8mm film camera. I had produced my own version of The Shinning, I was Johnny, my neighbor was the cinematographer. We had really tall Hedges and it was winter. Unfortunately my parents didn't think I was going to be another Stanley or Steven, so they got rid of a lot of my personal things when I joined the Navy. If anyone bought a made film of The Shinning in LaSalle, Michigan, in a yard sale around 1991 let me know. Also version of 2001 A Space Odyssey, using a Rubik'a cube for the monolith, let me know. LOL!
It looks like they made a lot of this kind of equipment yet I can't seem find it anywhere on eBay! Especially Super 8 Fullcoat.
Yes we sold over 2000 of these recorders and editing benches . They do come up sometimes old customer or more often widows of old customs contact me about selling but since I no longer do the repairs of these items I don't get involved in the reselling.
$10,000 in 1973 = $72,175.53 in 2024
God, I miss cutting film. Sigh.
You can still do it....
Epic. I'd synchronize my realistic tape record once the runner ended.
Yes. It is actually a reduction print from 16.
I miss it.
9:16 he mentions here that a magnetic stripe can be added to silent film. does anybody know how that was done at the time? like would you have sent the film to kodak for them to do it, or was there some contraption you could use to do it yourself?
There were even home devices for adding the thin magnetic stripe to the film. The machine places the stripe on the film and glues it on it.
@@lukassteinbrink322 I know this is a late reply, but do you happen to know what those devices are called? It would be really cool if you could take a negative film and apply the stripe, then use an old sound camera
You could send your film to a variety of labs, or use the home device which used a reel of mag-stripe already cut to the correct width. I don't think the home device gave you the "balance" stripe which was necessary for stereo with Super-8. Even if you had this device, you'd still need the special thin tape, and the cement. (Cassette tape might work for 16mm but it would be too wide for Super-8).
In the 1980s I tested 16mm mag-stripe for recording film, and Super-8 stereo sound for presenting film - I found both to be unsatisfactory in terms of frequency response. I stuck with a reel-to-reel tape to present my Super-8 films, and a modified "sync" cassette recorder to record sound with my CP-16. --Gary
ZombieKing113, Kodak did make magnetic Super 8mm sound film.
I know because I used to use it.
Len Vine really wish it survived in to 2019 cause that would’ve been cool stuff and I would’ve paid atleast 200 bucks for some 400ft roll of super 8 sound
This is why I miss that oxide strip on the film itself!
This is actually 1977. 10:46 It says MCMLXXVII. 1977.
if your talking to me yes i still shot silent super 8 and record the sound a pocket recorder, and match it up in post with Cpu or Hi-8 Vcr.
i have that tune on a seeburg muzak record in that scene where we see the women editing the film.
Does ATR magnetics make fullcoat perforated tape for recording?
its suposed to say: Super 8 Sound in 1977
at the end of the movie I read MCMLXXVII. Isn't that 1977 ?
The year I was born! Lol
At least you still find a use!
@pro8mm youre still doing it?
"Super 8 editors can obtain everything they need to put together professional-looking films, but all of this sophistication is not essential."
Sounds like Hollywood.
Hey Tim . This was from 1973 a lot has changed.
did you transfer this from a super 8 sound print?
man I'm gonna have to do all this if I'm really gonna be filming people the old style way with super 8, filming it through very large mens clothes!
@dconflict yes we did
Yes it is.
which camera is in 0:28??
Was magnetic sound track only used for Super 8 or was optical used as well?
optical was used, but it was lesser quality than magnetic and often only mono
I believe the airlines once played the in-flight movies from a Super-8 cartridge, which used optical sound.
"There is nothing complex about editing double system Super-8." You had to be much smarter to live back then.
The human brain has shrunk about the volume of a tennis ball over the last 20,000 years. Soon we'll be living in caves, gnawing on three day old bones.
LOL! - 9:41 what a statement. I would not have even wanted to attempt this sort of process. Wow. :-)
How do you put sound on Super 8mm movies without editing on a coumputer
because Kodak does not make magnetic super 8mm sound film.I did not watch all of it even though I liked it a lot.
The sound stripe was added usually added after editing the film and provided sound was recorded at the time of filming, the sound was then added to the stripe. It took hours of work but worth the effort at the end if we got it right.
Justement, j'en ai besoin pour enregistrer le son.
Quite ironic that the sound is out of sync...☺
Also ironic that the film he's making is about videotape recorders!
Obviously this was shot on 16mm?
Yes it always bothered me that Big K made this film about the professional side of Super 8 but used 16mm to create it. I truly appreciate that it was made but what kind of confidence did they really have in it .
does anybody know what camera that guy was using at 2:07?
i can imagine that he put it for the sound so you dont hear the motor of the camera.
Looks very much like a Bolex, but the camera being used at the start of the film was a Braun Nizo S800, which is the one I used. I still have that and am about to advertise it soon.
Beaulieu 5008 Nice camera very quiet
and what was that leather cover he placed over the camera?
i can imagine that he put it for the sound so you dont hear the motor of the camera.
Correct. It wa a sound 'Blimp', but a rater crude one that would not reduce all the camera sound. When I was filming, I made a complete boxed blimp with clear glass front and no sound was heard when filming.
@@malcolmalexander5246 Yes those Blimps did not do much . But that camera was very quite to begin with
@@pro8mm The one I made for my Nizo S800 camera totally cut the sound out.
@@malcolmalexander5246 Excellent
@ZombieKing113 back in the day, they would just use splice film and sound track with one another and play it in a sound projector. very tedious.
That is the clearest sound being made in that year.
Sony Vegas 1977
There is nothing complex in editing double system super 8 lol
Looks like a Nizo model.
The Nizo S800 or Professional, which gave a pulse to line up with the sound and film
That constant squealing noise lol.
films is for real filmmakers,digital is for loosers.
ATTRACTIONS FUEGOS ARTIFICIALES This.
1977
5+
Just use a smartphone. 😅
Amazing how technology has come along in 50 years.
Sure, if you want quick work, but for those who enjoy the analog process, the machines and the results, its a joy for them to do it. Paint a picture on the computer/tab/VR or on paper, canvas, glass or as a projection in the air, it's all your choice and we can't force anyone, like I would never force you to do things other than how you like to use them.