Aeromancer got nerfed but Slayer is still OP...
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The same thing happened with Reaper back in tier 2.
SG is afraid to nerf super popular classes. Slayer is most played class in the West.
I mean it's super popular because it was busted on release and they've failed to address it. Only themselves to blame.
maybe it's not that she is strong but that other classes are weak?
reaper was definitely held back significantly because she had a lot of utility tripods that didn't provide dmg which meant she synergized poorly on burst timings and atrophines
the recent changes equalized her crit and moved around the tripods and now she is really strong
so there are likely issues with the class if it's weak or not
PS sh that long rolling blades ability
was really bad on small target bosses but really good on large target bosses
so it was inconsistent
they changed it and PS is not terrible anymore (the utility she gained in mobility is probably more impactful but still)
they probably can't change every class significantly because it's not like they can cover all cases equally
so it's better to change a few classes at a time see how they land and then continue balancing to their power
so if slayer is the base power and blades and reapers got to it
with time other classes will also reach it
but remember if all classes are equal in output there is no reason to play anything but a gunlancer
so balance is not always about the big dick mvp dps
Me rn sitting in the corner with my six lunar reapers eating shit ☠️
sharpshooter also exists unnerfed
giga broken perfect rotation cheap build stagger is great no wasted skills
@@pangkamotegames Cheap build? Cheap!?!? It is not cheap when it comes do gems and considering how few people play SS every accessory with 50+ quality easily goes for 30k+. What do you mean cheap? I also don't understand where did you get the "perfect rotation" where you have such long animation locks and almost no superarmors. I feel like the only people who say how broken SS is, are the ones who never played it
ur dumb lmao i have a 1580 ss with los30 @@Paine981
@@Paine981in euc u can legit buy perfect qual class engraving accs for 3k (relic ofc). He is very cheap to build compared to classes like slayer, striker, sorc, glaivier and list goes on, yes hes turbocheap. No class is 'cheap' when u go +2 ofc, +1 on ss is def on the cheaper side
The only bad thing about the class rn is no super armors, but gem argument also makes no sense when pretty much all classes require good gems if u want to minmax it except a few, which also arent at the top of dps charts.
People who also claim that ss is neither cheap or op also seem to be people who only have 6man ss roster or maybe a supp somewhere in there lol
@@gial27 3k acc. Ye sure buddy. Gem argument is based on how many dmg gems you need. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about and it shows
anserw: they buffed all EXPECT those what are already strong but i agree areo could use bit of help however we are not gonna speak about good arcana players doing cosmic dps?
Funny enough, a good Arcana player still doesn't touch the dps of what a good Pinnacle, Deathstrike or Predator player does ... You have to be good and have a stretch of good RNG to touch those classes as Empress or Emperor.
@@saikame5833 i think its just skill issue
if you could play arcana you woudnt even think of bringing this up x) @@drgremory5275
Arcana should be strong when mastered though, its definitely the hardest class in the game, itd make no sense for her to be pissweak when you could just pick up ss/slayer and deal double the dmg while slowstroking with both hands to gunlancer r34 on 2nd monitor + she requires god rng to pull god dps while also playing perfect.
Although reaper exists in its current state so idk.
I don't think people truly understand just how giga busted some of these classes are in comparison to other good players what classes the community thinks is good. @@drgremory5275
The way I see it pred should be the standard design wise for back attackers. If other back attackers had the mobility pred/slayer has they would all be broken. Hit master classes should never deal more damage then back attackers in my opinion and aero specifically it offers a lot of utility. Pred/slayer offers damage
It is possible to make a difficult hit master class. Look at Igniter sorc. They have a 5s delay from the time they start their Doomsday to the time it deals its damage. Then there is a 15s period when you need to cast your 2nd doomsday and if it either misses you are doing 30% less damage than you could have. Attacking the back has nothing to do with how difficult the classes skills are to land properly.
That is a pretty terrible balance philosophy tbh, if even the lowest end back attacker does more damage than the highest end hit master class. It isn't a zero sum game, both playstyles can be strong without the other needing to suffer. I can agree that if played well entropy classes should be at the highest ends of the dmg scale, but below that it should be a mix of the two playstyles and at the bottom can be more utility hit master classes like say aeromancer.
So you're telling me a class that can stand anywhere around the boss even range should do as much damage as a class that has to stick on the bosses butt 24/7. What I was more implying is pred slayer is so damn good because they can get their damage off very fast even their hardest hitting skill. and on top of that they have a built in dash that can have 2 charges with their normal dash. The design aspect I was talking about is every ambush class NEEDS mobility the one that needs it the most is striker if they had mobility they would be insane@@ghostytoasty5510
Sorc is "hard" because their meter gain is so terrible, getting to Ignite more giving more chances at doomsdays or not having to stress landing every single doomsday across a fight. Why does punisher slayer feel so good to me at least. For me its because if you play the 1 rotation style you get to your burst mode so fast or even 1.5 youre not waiting too long to get into it. Imagine if Sorc could actually get to its burst mode faster it would make the class so much more fun. unless im missing something with sorc mines only 1490 level 5 meter gain tripods and it feels like an eternity before I get to have fun again lmao a hitmaster burst class that is designed actually properly or modernly is Souleater we havent gotten yet but from what ive seen it has no issues getting to burst mode or its breakpoints for spec are much easier. im not saying sorc should be like souleater more so punisher slayer its meter gain should not be so hard or take so long@@Spineripper63
so as pred you have like 3 skills with destuction and 6 skills with insane stagger. brel g4 stagger solo easy clown stagger solo easy brel g3 90 and 20 bars stagger in bus with no stagger bot with 3 people 20 sec. left and you say all they habe is dmg? i have no stagger ilst of classes but pred slayer is easy in the top 4 classes meaning gunlancer destro and than slayer and pala with vph
sharpshooter needs a buff too
pls buff sharpshooter its unplayable
brust with slayer while still lay on the bed level 😂
Slayer best class in game my favorite class and she donte nerfet in the game I love it😂
Glaivier exist
the floor for aero is higher, you have 2 builder + 4 spenders + conv/judge skills, no positionals... builder spender on repeat
the floor for pred is pretty low....... with bad uptime, you go into exhaustion pretty quickly and i bet the average slayer player gets like 10-15 sec in exhaustion which means around 2/3 - 1/2 of your damage potential for about 1/2 - 1/3 of your play time
of course at the ceiling (people with hands)... yeah slayer is busted but smilegate said that they balance around the average player not the top end... and the average player in any game is pretty monka
The floor for drizzle is low anywhere but trixion, same problem as igniter sorc, super delayed attacks and animations. Even a monkey can do well on pred but aero has to actually hit spells
Aero got nerfed because it's clear rate was too high is my reason. I think Smilegate uses clear rates as the primary balance metric not dps. They referenced Thaemine normal g3 clear rate being to low and nerfed it accordingly.
I've seen other games use usage stats to nerf in their games. It's just a product of statistics based development honestly. Gold Rivers small obsession with statistics also pushes me to believe nerfs are based on the stats he finds. He shows numbers in all his live streams.
The balancing is random; i agree. It is not magic without explanation but grounded in logic. The players and devs will disagree on the logic and methodology though.
Gold River has an obsession with statistics but he decided to bad DPS meter ☠ They like to buff and nerf classes but they wanna hide the truth.
Predator is tankier being a warrior, has full 40% movement cap all the time and hits like a truck with zero dangerous animation locks (So why would they not have an insane clear rate as well?). It's one of the stupidest classes at the moment. I know people who since I started playing with them have always struggled to do decent "cruel" fighter damage, some of them now play Predator and easily reach MVP levels... the floor is absolutely ridiculously broken.
predator is not even close to be as broken as aero tho. pred is pretty busted in terms of what you could get out, but you need a proper setup to do it. The fact that has some high cd combined with the need of back attack and you are forced to do dmg in your Z cycle, makes pred overall "balanced" compared to a class that just hits hard like aero. But if you are really good with pred it's indeed the most broken class in the game
aero doesnt hit hard for nowadays standars, it were tho on kr release so back then was a reason to nerf it maybe
you are full swift with no animation locks at all and half your skills have giga range
predator is in fact not balanced you have good dmg even if you fall out of gauge at 20 stacks
aero was never more broken
most sane slayer main
if an aero outdamages a slayer, the slayer just doesn't have hands
holy shit you just spewed absoulete garbage with no pause. Pred is fking broken and its one of the easiest specs in the whole game aswell.