This dude literally made a PowerPoint presentation that PA can take a look at and see the obvious flaws as well as take some notes/ideas to revive the PvP scene. AND FOR FREE. It is truly baffling to me how they can be handed ideas and fixes on a silver platter by the PvP community and still refuse to do anything to save it. The time for change is now as every week they wait, they will bleed more and more players that will not be coming back, even if they do something in 2 years or however long it takes them to fix this. There is no end game content in BDO, uncapped PvP WAS the end game content, and as soon as the casuals start realizing that there's nothing after the debo grinds they'll start leaving too because at some point ''haha number go up'' just stops being enjoyable. Hopefully they at least see some of these points and consider them. But I guess in the mean time we either touch grass, play something else or hit the amazing ''new'' Dekhia v2 mobs that so creatively designed and are such a revolutionary concept that it puts the inventor of the wheel to shame.
its just insane that they teased the new war system, players told them that it sucks, they went through with it, players still told them it kinda sucks, they then release an announcement saying some shit like "we arent reverting it" and it continued to suck, no changes at all from start to now. SO here we are.
good points, many easy and fast solutions they can legit impalement very quickly - however i sadly highly doubt they would, it would be a good start, however will need even further polishing and updates to keep it alive and make people return after
The player limit seems off because you solve the issue of 150 players where only 75 or 50 actually participate (which is half) by reducing it to 100. However, the max number of players you allow to play is 30 in the terrible node and 50 in the old node. The limits should be 50 and 75 to better motivate guild players and reduce headaches for guild staff. For the War of the Roses, it’s simpler to let players choose the captain instead of making a GM work or leaving it to a content creator to manage 300 people. Just have each side vote for a captain from the 300 selected players. I still think we need sided wars, especially with the desert spot bringing back PvP and PK. Overall, great video and excellent work!
in an ideal world the number caps would be adjusted according to the server average guild activity, if the GMs/CMs see guilds are not very active they would have the power to reduce the number caps themselves after talking with the community of their server I also like your choosing captain suggestion
Only thing i dont agree fully is the new nw and old nw rotation. I prefer new nw be a 20 man content with 5-6 forts with smaller maps. And a content that u can do 18:00-19:00 cest. Rest is really good ideas loved it
Good vid, thanks for putting in the effort. Agreed with it all. Also, i think you're even overrating aos money XD that shit does not take only 7 minutes per match, maybe its 7 minutes of active game rounds but with all the waiting involved, loading screens and then queue times as well its easily like 15 mins per game to get 2 perfumes :D
The worst thing about PA is that they know how to fix the game but refuse to do it until another competitor appears on their radar. They already have a NW system to place weak vs weak guilds and strong vs strong guilds, it was revealed during the last Ball and we will probably only ever see it when anoter big MMO's launch date is approaching. They've also shown signs that they know how to fix OWP since they removed special evasion, a mechanic which used to benefit those who were punished for their mistakes in general, yet they want to keep up us in mud with tank meta dominating OWP currently and they expect us, to believe them, that Sovereign weapons are going to bring more DPS in OWP when they give +12 DR from sovereign and +24 DR from new PVP Artifacfs. Also currently T1 NWs are roughly -600 mil per NW on average if you are using immortals, quite a mystery how 1h nodes spawn daily now without anything written in patch notes.
It's sad they don't even care anymore. They changed their replies to tickets regarding from suggestion from people who actually had to read what we wrote to bot reply. I wish they would actually get their teams and watch these feedbacks, like 1 or 2 videos per week and to have the videos uploaded on their channel and to either show their points or change their minds
When I played BDO actively, what turned me off from guild action was how bad territorial wars were for people who we're first getting into PvP. The difference between the best PEN gear (optimal builds), and something like a usual scrappy TRI loadout was ridiculous. People who didn't have the best in slot gear, regardless of their character level, were just cannon fodder. I played warrior, and expected at least some survivability, only to bite the dust in around 4 seconds. Looking at the scoreboard, usually around 10% of the attendants had 90% of the kills. Only a small number of people could actually fight, and the rest existed only to soak damage from enemy defenses. It was so absurd it wasn't even funny. Fort assaults looked like moshpits of nonsense, where you'd die in seconds if you went in, or have to roll the dice in terms of potentially finding an equal fight with other stragglers around the outskirts of the chaos, which usually wasn't the case.
They fixed that problem long ago by capping the gear of the tier 1 nodes, you can't get geared checked as a new guild anymore if you're placing on tier 1 nodes The current problem is that all strong guilds are placing tier 1 because there's no other pvp content in the game, so the new guilds are getting skill checked instead of gear checked now
@@КонстантинАндреяхин The new system rewards new guilds if there's a lot of forts since even weak guilds have a realistic chance of getting a fort I do think pa would need to rebalance the reward system of old nodewar system a bit where only 1 guild gets a big reward while everyone else doesn't
There are two separate topics: node wars and "open world pvp". Nodewar system is weird and sucks but open world "pvp players" could swap to Arsha all together and get what they want but I suppose they do not want to because they want to grief, farm and spam "dfs" on people trying to grind.
@@Miauteusz the fact you're on arsha already doesn't make it spontaneous. One thing is my guildmate in discord pinging me "yo, I'm being griefed by guild X, need backup" the other is being called for an arsha fight which usually just devolve into rbf fiestas I don't expect pve players to understand, keep your misconceptions about what fun owpvp times really were
@@LeChickenSan It's funny how you people automatically assume that anyone arguing this case was not part of the "old good times." I was there, I did one sided decs, slaughtered alts on field bosses was griefed by karmabombers, had the gvgs but after some time you just want to grind in peace and that's not possible because you get spammed by dfs or being dec'd and forced to do something different. It was fun, then it wasn't, more people quit over it than enjoyed it and it had to go. And it's gone, thank god.
@@Miauteusz There's a reason I said they only need to bring that part back for PvP guilds, the ones that go nodewars or assign themselves with that tag, if owpvp isn't for you anymore you're not forced to be part of it. And I agree that the casual guilds and tuvala timmies shouldn't be subject to this law of the jungle I have never griefed/karmabombed people, never ask for dfs either cause as you said, when I'm grinding I like to do it in peace so I treat others the same way, still doesn't stop me from enjoying the random gvgs and beef that used to exist
I’m not coming back bc the will never change the GvG and open world system. Even the karma changes and mechanics are so outdated for reds. It’s a huge mess
i want to disagree, last time na eu making podcast to change the new nw system but it didnt work as planned (decrease the number of player in nw). PA did listen and change accordingly but after the player experienced it, they want to revert it back (increase the number of player in nw)...this is just a roller coaster, player dont know what they want. Pvper just want to shit on people and say they better which they cant do it irl.
Very well thought out, puts everything in a neat visual. Maybe J can hire 32 translators to spoon feed him what's wrong with the game. (He won't)
(he wont)
Выражаю абсолютное согласие и понимание.
tru n real many facts said in this power point presentation
hopefully devs listen before theres no players left to take feedback from
The only way to fight back against J's whiteboard is the powerpoint presentation
This dude literally made a PowerPoint presentation that PA can take a look at and see the obvious flaws as well as take some notes/ideas to revive the PvP scene. AND FOR FREE. It is truly baffling to me how they can be handed ideas and fixes on a silver platter by the PvP community and still refuse to do anything to save it. The time for change is now as every week they wait, they will bleed more and more players that will not be coming back, even if they do something in 2 years or however long it takes them to fix this. There is no end game content in BDO, uncapped PvP WAS the end game content, and as soon as the casuals start realizing that there's nothing after the debo grinds they'll start leaving too because at some point ''haha number go up'' just stops being enjoyable.
Hopefully they at least see some of these points and consider them. But I guess in the mean time we either touch grass, play something else or hit the amazing ''new'' Dekhia v2 mobs that so creatively designed and are such a revolutionary concept that it puts the inventor of the wheel to shame.
its just insane that they teased the new war system, players told them that it sucks, they went through with it, players still told them it kinda sucks, they then release an announcement saying some shit like "we arent reverting it" and it continued to suck, no changes at all from start to now. SO here we are.
Very nice feedback with a lot of good points, evidence and suggestions. Thanks for this summary
Based and true feedbacks/suggestions
Buff awa sorc anyway
really good hob to explain whats the flaw of the system of pvp in bdo
That's cute Chicken but you know damn well what will happen
Nice video chimken!
good points, many easy and fast solutions they can legit impalement very quickly - however i sadly highly doubt they would, it would be a good start, however will need even further polishing and updates to keep it alive and make people return after
The player limit seems off because you solve the issue of 150 players where only 75 or 50 actually participate (which is half) by reducing it to 100. However, the max number of players you allow to play is 30 in the terrible node and 50 in the old node. The limits should be 50 and 75 to better motivate guild players and reduce headaches for guild staff.
For the War of the Roses, it’s simpler to let players choose the captain instead of making a GM work or leaving it to a content creator to manage 300 people. Just have each side vote for a captain from the 300 selected players.
I still think we need sided wars, especially with the desert spot bringing back PvP and PK.
Overall, great video and excellent work!
in an ideal world the number caps would be adjusted according to the server average guild activity, if the GMs/CMs see guilds are not very active they would have the power to reduce the number caps themselves after talking with the community of their server
I also like your choosing captain suggestion
Great video Mr Chicken, they should for real just copy paste what u said and it would be better
Only thing i dont agree fully is the new nw and old nw rotation. I prefer new nw be a 20 man content with 5-6 forts with smaller maps. And a content that u can do 18:00-19:00 cest. Rest is really good ideas loved it
Good vid, thanks for putting in the effort. Agreed with it all. Also, i think you're even overrating aos money XD that shit does not take only 7 minutes per match, maybe its 7 minutes of active game rounds but with all the waiting involved, loading screens and then queue times as well its easily like 15 mins per game to get 2 perfumes :D
Thanks for your video maybe pa can change pvp system
i agree on your points fully, hopefully PA will listen but we all know they probably wont lol
all thats left to do is group up n spam this on korea forums :)
The worst thing about PA is that they know how to fix the game but refuse to do it until another competitor appears on their radar. They already have a NW system to place weak vs weak guilds and strong vs strong guilds, it was revealed during the last Ball and we will probably only ever see it when anoter big MMO's launch date is approaching. They've also shown signs that they know how to fix OWP since they removed special evasion, a mechanic which used to benefit those who were punished for their mistakes in general, yet they want to keep up us in mud with tank meta dominating OWP currently and they expect us, to believe them, that Sovereign weapons are going to bring more DPS in OWP when they give +12 DR from sovereign and +24 DR from new PVP Artifacfs. Also currently T1 NWs are roughly -600 mil per NW on average if you are using immortals, quite a mystery how 1h nodes spawn daily now without anything written in patch notes.
It's sad they don't even care anymore. They changed their replies to tickets regarding from suggestion from people who actually had to read what we wrote to bot reply. I wish they would actually get their teams and watch these feedbacks, like 1 or 2 videos per week and to have the videos uploaded on their channel and to either show their points or change their minds
I think they just need to realise they need to implement what we as players want and not what they want
When I played BDO actively, what turned me off from guild action was how bad territorial wars were for people who we're first getting into PvP.
The difference between the best PEN gear (optimal builds), and something like a usual scrappy TRI loadout was ridiculous. People who didn't have the best in slot gear, regardless of their character level, were just cannon fodder. I played warrior, and expected at least some survivability, only to bite the dust in around 4 seconds. Looking at the scoreboard, usually around 10% of the attendants had 90% of the kills. Only a small number of people could actually fight, and the rest existed only to soak damage from enemy defenses.
It was so absurd it wasn't even funny. Fort assaults looked like moshpits of nonsense, where you'd die in seconds if you went in, or have to roll the dice in terms of potentially finding an equal fight with other stragglers around the outskirts of the chaos, which usually wasn't the case.
They fixed that problem long ago by capping the gear of the tier 1 nodes, you can't get geared checked as a new guild anymore if you're placing on tier 1 nodes
The current problem is that all strong guilds are placing tier 1 because there's no other pvp content in the game, so the new guilds are getting skill checked instead of gear checked now
You forget rewards for loosing guilds. It's better to try when you know you'll get at least something. And we need fresh names on our scene.
@@КонстантинАндреяхин The new system rewards new guilds if there's a lot of forts since even weak guilds have a realistic chance of getting a fort
I do think pa would need to rebalance the reward system of old nodewar system a bit where only 1 guild gets a big reward while everyone else doesn't
There are two separate topics: node wars and "open world pvp". Nodewar system is weird and sucks but open world "pvp players" could swap to Arsha all together and get what they want but I suppose they do not want to because they want to grief, farm and spam "dfs" on people trying to grind.
there's a difference between going on arsha and just the old spontaneous open world gvgs between PvP guilds
@@LeChickenSan if you muppets would play Arsha as your default channel it would be spontaneus as well.
@@Miauteusz the fact you're on arsha already doesn't make it spontaneous. One thing is my guildmate in discord pinging me "yo, I'm being griefed by guild X, need backup" the other is being called for an arsha fight which usually just devolve into rbf fiestas
I don't expect pve players to understand, keep your misconceptions about what fun owpvp times really were
@@LeChickenSan It's funny how you people automatically assume that anyone arguing this case was not part of the "old good times." I was there, I did one sided decs, slaughtered alts on field bosses was griefed by karmabombers, had the gvgs but after some time you just want to grind in peace and that's not possible because you get spammed by dfs or being dec'd and forced to do something different. It was fun, then it wasn't, more people quit over it than enjoyed it and it had to go. And it's gone, thank god.
@@Miauteusz There's a reason I said they only need to bring that part back for PvP guilds, the ones that go nodewars or assign themselves with that tag, if owpvp isn't for you anymore you're not forced to be part of it. And I agree that the casual guilds and tuvala timmies shouldn't be subject to this law of the jungle
I have never griefed/karmabombed people, never ask for dfs either cause as you said, when I'm grinding I like to do it in peace so I treat others the same way, still doesn't stop me from enjoying the random gvgs and beef that used to exist
I’m not coming back bc the will never change the GvG and open world system. Even the karma changes and mechanics are so outdated for reds. It’s a huge mess
PVP is dead. game is dead. Now throne and liberty until ashes of creation release.
Might drop some throne videos, will defo stream it
buff awak guardian and the game will be fine
goofy aaaaaa
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i want to disagree, last time na eu making podcast to change the new nw system but it didnt work as planned (decrease the number of player in nw). PA did listen and change accordingly but after the player experienced it, they want to revert it back (increase the number of player in nw)...this is just a roller coaster, player dont know what they want. Pvper just want to shit on people and say they better which they cant do it irl.