A Study of Nuclear Semiotics
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>setting has magic
>Still uses horses
>Setting has nuclear
>Still uses coal
I personaly prefer my nuclear waste buried underground as opposed to being safely released into the atmosphere like the coal and gas emmissions
Or even reprocessed into new fuel
... so now that the atmosphere is all polluted, let do the same with the underground... brilliant 👏
@@joseph-mariopelerin7028I mean, it's technically already there, were just putting it back where we got it from after using it up.
@@kingofflames738 We take the radionuclides from the earth and we return the radionuclides to the earth....I dont see the problem here.
@@joseph-mariopelerin7028 well lets see
one can contain it in a defined space for geological times in the right places
the other will disperse it globally without a way of intervention
and you equate them? Your either jst joking or way beyound what you understand and not even trying to learn
Which is it?
Every single Sci-Fi game: "The Ancients said never to go to this place. There is nothing there but death and misery."
Every single Sci-Fi game player: "So anyway, we went there."
I actually believe nuclear power can be one of the cleanest, safest and greenest ways of generating power It is a shame that we don't utilize it more.
It’s a shame that the hippy-dippy environmentalist activists of the 60’s-90’s were the ultimate useful idiots for the fossil fuel industry.
They don't use it more because it's not economically profitable...
so brave. What an iconoclastic perspective, never expressed amongst nerds like us.
Stars use it so why shouldn't we
@@joseph-mariopelerin7028 Son, I'm not sure where you get your talking points from, but even under American red tape, nuclear fission reactors are some of the cheapest power available to mankind.
One thing to note is that radiation level and therefore danger is inversely correlated with period of danger. Highly radioactive isotopes decay rapidly, so while they can be quite troublesome, they're only dangerous for a relatively short time.
The slowly decaying isotopes are the troublesome ones.
we should still build the spikes. just to fuck with future generations
Build the spikes, but every 69th spike should be a phallus....so future generations say, "huh.....nice."
Plaque - "Danger: Do not go further. There is nothing here for you; only death before you. This is a warning. Go back."
A human 1,000 years from now - "What does it say? I don't know but there must be something exciting there or maybe even treasure!"
Is it bad that i now want to be one of those nuclear priests?
@@toothlesssal5598 only if it's bad that I really really want a radcat to go with my "children of Atom" clerics outfit
The idea of encoding a warning to stay away from waste in the gene code of local flora is too funny to be real. It really is the kind of dumb that can only ever come from an educated mind.
I knew about the “atomic priesthood” thing and frankly I think its stupid. For the simple reason that we can do the same thing with existing religions. For context I’m a practicing catholic and I know that catholic priests study quite a lot. I think we should simply tell the clergy of a bunch of religions nuclear safety advice and if the world ends the remaining clergy can preserve nuclear safety info as well as their religious teachings. Just my 2 cents though
2:55 This type of mage of nuclear semiotics always reminded me of Aku in his earth bound form from Samurai Jack. That show was designed around visual language. Aku used the same foreboding spikes to intimidate.
I now need to rewatch Samurai Jack.
Woooahh, you're *right*.
The great thing about nuclear waste is that it can be disposed of unlike the waste of every other fuel source.
The way is closed. It was made by the dead, and the dead shall keep it
Let us hope our world will not be consumed by atomic fire in our life times.
Bring awrn the nukes!
Agreed.
Or ever.
"communists are too stupid to boil water"
Aaaaand immediately subscribed 😂😂
What a cool and educating video
Thank you and welcome aboard!
The communist joke sent me flying 😂😂😂 @@DKiSAerospaceHistory
if your video contains:
- two or more well-paid civil engineers
- who have names
- who work on a secretive government project related to nuclear energy
= then congratulations, you've passed the Bechtel Test!
That
Is very funny
I was honestly not expecting a reference to Gawr Gura in a video about nuclear semiotics lol
Oh, nyo!
@@stickmann7363 that's not true. Her name was in the script that I finished a week ago. You are not special.
@@DKiSAerospaceHistory unfathomably based
We should do the spikes one because it’s insanely cool
also critical to mention is how many deaths caused by nuclear energy vs air pollution and direct deaths and injury from oil and coal extraction
The field of semiotics seems more like bad science fiction (or good, depending on who you ask) rather than anything practical.
100 years from now, this waste will be a resource.
Right now the waste is a resource. (Gotta watch the whole video.)
@tmarbut he dosent mention recycling it takes more energy then it gives, beside the complexity of the process...
@@joseph-mariopelerin7028wrong and wrong smh
The "Atomic Priesthood" could also be seen in Asimov's Foundation Series, where the Foundation uses the Priesthood early on to control the secrets of nuclear power during the galactic dark age and by extension control the nearby "barbarian states."
Ray-Cat adjacent, a species of flower has been modified to express different colors when exposed to the chemical offgasses of land mines. The flowers are seeded by air and when they bloom the mines become as obvious as polka dots.
7 minutes in. The most depressing part of this is the assumption that we (civilization) just aren't going to make it. There's no hope, we're not even sure if we can successfully communicate the danger of radiation to future wastelanders.
Well, the assumption is that if we're still around, we'll know why we made, or at least have some sense of what ordinary symbols mean. These signs, etc would be needed if we enter the fail state where we aren't
The reason that is the baseline assumption is because if we do make it then there is no need for all these efforts. But in the case we don’t it would be irresponsible to put harm onto our descendants that they would have no awareness of
My day has been saved, DKiS Aerospace History posted a new video!!!!
Fun fact, coal ash is also radioactive.
>sees Gawr Gura
>Neuron Activation
I was at that baseball game. The merch line was traumatizing.
Aaaa that's awesome! How many boomers were completely baffled?
Nothing says stay away quite like your skin melting.
Wow, this was a very thought-provoking and well put-together piece of information.
I've always said, if its so hot you've gotta bury it for thousands of years, its hot enough to recycle. Otherwise, you're just burying gold.
An interesting thing I want to note, though, is that I don't think those long term storage facilities are inherently bad. Once we fully nuclearize the grid, we could use excess energy to capture and sequester the excess CO2 in the atmosphere. And these sites and places built like them are perfect places to keep all that CO2. No need for semiotics, either.
Also also, greenpeace, the green parties of every country, and other similar groups unironically have blood on their hands for their anti-nuclear power campaigns, IMO.
Well thing is.... Until you recycle it, you gotta keep it somewhere. If it is to be recycled, do so. However until then, burying it in deep storage is way better idea than the alternative. Have it sitting on casks out in the open. You manage to retrieve and recycle all the fuel from deep storage... congratulations you have done it. You didn't manage to do it? No problem it is in maintenance free deep storage. If one is still advanced enough industrial economy to recycle nuclear fuel... one is advanced enough to retrieve it from the deep storage facility.
Maybe we have breeder reactors in future is not solution to "we have tons of waste out in the open right now". mind you in concrete casks, but still. Those casks are couple big metal bolts and angle grinding away from being open.
For example onkalo is very much a "sure it can be solved other ways in future, but we have *current problem* " project. Note the place is to stay operational until 2120. Tunneling and construction end now in 2020's and then starts *century long process of slowly filling and monitoring the storage* . So until then one has time to propose and develop other solutions and then retrieve the fuel/waste. However still until then the fuel is in cast iron cask inside a forged copper cask, welded in and secure, surrounded by water proof bentonite clay, 500 meters down in couple billion years old hard bed rock away from any flying cruise missiles, dropping passenger jetliners or other nasty dangers.
Also in case of Finland government isn't footing the bill, the nuclear power plants are. So it isn't "why we spend money on this" issue. We aren't. the power plants were instructed to collected a fund during operation to finance full decommissioning fund from their *considerable profits* . This included "you have to have funds to deal with the waste". One makes profits with the side effect of generating nuclear hot materials, the profit maker gets to pay also for the post treating of said materials.
Even after, it isn't buried in adamantium, but filled with bentonite, sand and concrete grout. One wants that valuable fuel, break out the rock drills. Heck Posiva aka the waste handling company of the nuclear plants owns the stuff as I understand. They find safe recycling method/party in Finland, they are free to use the radioactives for it. Obviously dependent with the new use getting nuclear safety certification. Mind you exporting isn't a thing, since Finland has strict nonproliferation policy. Nuclear stuff doesn't leave country. We generated the waste/hot nuclear materials, it is our responsibility to deal with.
Plus one still eventually needs storage. One will have lower level waste and even after breeder reactors etc. a small amount of hot waste. Not as much, but still hot and difficult enough one has to store it deep.
@@aritakalo8011 "Until you recycle it, you gotta keep it somewhere. If it is to be recycled, do so. However until then, burying it in deep storage is way better idea than the alternative. Have it sitting on casks out in the open."
Considering on-site cask storage is precisely what the US is doing with its nuclear waste, I really don't see why even temporary underground storage is necessary. Also, you're talking as if fuel reprocessing is some mystical future technology. It isn't. France has been doing it for decades, actually. The only real reason most countries haven't followed suit is, as you mentioned, non-proliferation concerns, (which I think are mostly overblown to begin with).
Aside from that, the issue isn't knowledge, its infrastructural. And while that is a big hurdle to overcome, it isn't the biggest hurdle, and until it is overcome, we (at least in the US) aren't under any significant time pressure (at least on this specific issue). The casks aren't going anywhere, and there's plenty of space on-site, because high-level nuclear waste simply isn't produced that quickly.
And I really don't know what the talk about cost is about, since I haven't mentioned that. But since you made it a point to mention how its the power plants that are paying for Finland's underground storage, and not the Finnish government, I have to say that sounds like a macroeconomic shell game. It would surprise me if Finland's utility companies (especially power companies) were not subsidized by its government, like is done in most of the world. The Finnish government may not be directly writing the checks that go into the hands of the people digging and building the site, but its certainly writing checks to the entities that are.
As for the remaining waste that isn't recycleable? Could be transmuted in a breeder reactor. Would be a net energy loss, but if we're talking about widespread nuclear energy, there's going to be enough clean energy to 'waste' on burning up what I believe amounts to something like 5% of 5% of the total nuclear waste. Alternatively, we could just incorporate it into the CO2 storage casks, and kill two birds with one stone.
there's a nuclear power plant where i live but it's been shut down for over a decade because people thought it was unsafe
*smugly* I’ve heard of Wittenoom. But that’s because I’m from Western Australia and learned about it in primary school.
Honest Dumping our trash into the sun would be better.
The problem with the spike field, and to a lesser extent the black hole, is that they look really cool. Awesome in the most literal sense possible. We still find the concept of the spike field fascinating to this day, even without a real world example. How confident are you in your psychological manipulation of an unknown culture, given that the off-putting concept is attractive to people who understand it's meant as a warning?
I've gotta say, that field of spikes you described in the beginning sounds like it would be excellent in a a sci-fi horror story.
But we did get some insanely cool drawings out of it, you can't lie. And I do think it was good in a way that there was foresight had at the time to think about how this waste was going to be stored and kept safe long term. But you are correct that in the end, it's not really necessary at all.
The assumption that people will understand english ion 10000 years is quite bold.
Even 19th century english is weird to todays people.
New subscriber. Very well done. Nice catalog you have created.
Thanks and welcome!
Gwar Guriotics?
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**Dishonor!**
I’ve visited the nuclear waste storage facility at Forsmark, Sweden and it’s very impressive how widespread the *very* long term safety considerations are. I don’t recall everything though.
It's interesting having come to this topic after working on a recent sci fi story - what would a world look like if you had been put in suspended animation for _20 million years?_
How many civilizations would rise and fall? What would you see upon waking up? All interesting questions I had to dive into. Hopefully will make something of that story at some point.
Why does this remind me of Red Dwarf?
Nuclear Waste Funfact: one of the primary long lived actinides is Np-237 which can be neutron activated into Pu-238, the fuel for RTGs in space.
Interesting topic, especially the angle on ancient warnings that we willfully ignore.
Me before clicking: please don't be an anti-nuke whackjob please don't be an anti-nuke whackjob please don't be an anti-nuke whackjob please don't be an anti-nuke whackjob
Me now: YEEES
I was fully expecting to see gwar gura in this video and i was not disappointed.
I'm going to assume this is someone who follows me on Twitter, because otherwise, HOW lmao
did not expect to see gura in a video this grim
Oh nyo
You should do a video about early American designs for deep(er) space craft, particularly the nuclear powered ones, like project Orion
Clifford D Simak wrote several great stories about societies that only have vague memories of a past "when people went to the stars." Generally, people feared the remnants, but the hero of the story finds some reference that claims there are wonders to find there and he manages to uncover the past. True, Simak employs magic, but what is magic but technology we don't understand?
Super interesting video!! Deep time is one of my favorite subjects to dwell upon; whole worlds lost in the vastness of time and the impermanence of any paradigm, stuff like that lol. "The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."
Wittenoom absolutely should have a spike field, nobody thinks it is acceptable in its current state. It’s not any it’s of example for hazmat strategy, if anything It’s an example of how neglect is a strategy employed by extractive and polluting industries.
how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
Awesome video as always Kev, particularly liked this one. Saw the sneaky VTuber plug though😂
Have you heard of diamond batteries? Seems like a good use of spent fuels, if done right and regulated well.
Such a cool topic. I did a few assignments/essays on semiotics in highschool.
nuclear energy is a fun topic, I really think If we can get it down it’s going to be our answer on space travel long term and even as a off world energy source for colonization of other planets.
Very, very interesting video. Seriously creepy stuff. Tks.😳
A subject I didn't even know existed until now. Interesting.
Wouldn't the combination of copper and iron cause the cannisters to corrode?
The copper is actually a corrosion-resistant alloy, however the facility also came under fire for evidence uncovered that the canisters are not as corrosion-resistant as is claimed.
Love end ending segment. The entire time I was thinking, what about breeder reactors!?
We, as society, was afraid about nuclear waste because it's dangerous. So we choose to end ourselves, as we know, with oil and coal waste (CO2) and dunno duncare lol
imo we should just do like the Egyptians and warn future visitors that they'll be cursed by the gods for life
Fascinating and thought provoking excellent
Just my biweekly algorithm/interaction comment😎
My testicles hurt. Anyone elses testicles feel hot?
I guess we can agree on Semiotics being somewhat wasteful. For sure, I feel like an area like this should appear as uninteresting as possible tbh. Semiotics and other kinds of information should be available at lower levels of such facilities, informing societies advanced enough to understand the dangers of what they are faced with.
As for storing 'spent' fuel in the first place. In my mind it wont take long, less then a century for this waste to have extreme values as kind of nuclear batteries.
The tech to burn of most of the fuels radiation already exist. Not sure if I remember correctly, but doesn't France have one facility to do just this ? The one reason this isn't done at scale, it make no economic sense in building such facilities
the most absurd thing about the "atomic priesthood" and why i think most of those are done be people ignorant about the reality behind it is that we live in a time with ABUNDANT information about it and stil people choose narative and feefees
Now imagine the knowledge is obscured, jeez what a nightmare
I think this will have the exact same effect as the written curse on the door sealing the pharaos last resting place, none at all.
People will think its a weapon and people who want power will do anything they can think of to get hold of this secret weapon, by the use of letting other people do the potentially dangerous work.
There is also the phrase of "unnatural" that i dont like, people who grow up near it will think its natural not just understood, like the sailing stones.
All we are doing is essentially causing more damage to future humans, even absolutely horrific damage should they dig it up which they absolutely will, if the knowledge has been lost. Its like putting a marker on the ground saying "under here lies a terrible weapon" expecting people not to dig there.
As to what to do with it, that is actually fairly easy. Bury it near a beach where the ground isnt rising since the last iceage, excavate away a few billion tons of dirt and stone and sand and flood the whole place so its 100meters or more beneath the surface water and a further 200 meters at least below the ground in the bedrock. Then its just the coast to them. Some people might swim down with scuba gear and look at the seabed but they wont be doing any digging because why in the world should they?
The people who come up with these ideas dont understand at all how human beings works. If we mark it, it will be found, and also dug up that is a 100% guarantee.
Not to mention we now have technology where we can use a lot of it for energy, so instead of being a problem it becomes a source of a shit ton of cheap electricity with hardly no CO2 emissions and we "burn" the problem away, while helping the climate and a lot of human beings.
And yes many communists are too stupid to boil water, they seem to be the only form of vertebre life that can remain alive with neither a brain nor a heart and still be called sentient. Tankies are the worst sort of people i have ever had the great misfortune to meet. Jehovas witnesses are annoying when they knock on your door, but if a tankie knocks on your door you may in fact be better off to torch your home and flee the country. Some days i have had the thought, but not entertained too long that shooting a tankie should not be a crime, that is how fed up i am with them.
KENNEDYS POSTED! LFG!!!
Cant sleep. And I fond a new video 💖
This is the best channel. ❤
Nice I found your channel just a few days ago and already a great new video 🎉
Also we definitely need rey cats 😂
When smart people are really really dumb
Video game music is great
English place names ending in shire (Wiltshire, Nottinghamshire etc) are pronounced shirrr at the end not shire like its spelt. Another amazing video by the way 🔥
So weird. I was reading the wiki articles for nuclear semiotics and WIPP yesterday. Then I get this video recommended. Ok..it's some video the algo picked up and is months or years old. Go to look again..12 HOURS old. Its like we were thinking the same obscure thing at the same time. Come on..2 people on the planet thinking of "ray cats" at the same time? This is 100% a simulation.
The vibes are immaculate.
Or, we're the same person 😏
To be fair while not exclusive to nukeler power it is save as long as nobody is incerebly stupid is a high bar to celar especially if you have to also content with peopel with bright ideas about cost saving, and matinece intervals.
If you’re putting all this effort into making sure future societies and people don’t access sites of danger, and they still do it, then let them… You can only do so much…
Knowledge and technology transform inconvenient rubbish into profitable raw materials. Oil & the combustion engine is an example of this process.
alas waste in future wont be that long lived. petrol was once a waste and we found use for it. todays waste is prevented from being re-processed. in the future that will change - then waste will only be high level for 300 years.
Z for Zachariah
god damn it...
Jo DKIS... thanks.
Didn't know that about the fossil fuel industry funding about nuclear energy. :(
I am ashamed of myself. I knew already that nuclear energy is safe and mostly better than many other solutions.
Also let me help you with that digging!
I AM A DWARF AND I AM DIGGING A HOLE! DIGGY DIGGY HOLE!
Woohoo!
Insert obligatory comment about gura.
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24:14 a word on this - from stuff that I've heard, there's actually not much record of curses on Egyptian tombs, though I can't remember where I heard that, unfortunately.
That being said, I definitely agree, better to just bury the waste in a non descript place - or fast track fusion tech or at least work on ways to reduce or reuse the waste.
The myth is the "curse of the pharaohs" specifically, but several tombs have in fact had curses inscribed on them, such as the case of the mastaba of Khentika Ikhekhi of the 6th Dynasty at Saqqara. They are rare, but they exist.
7:24
Is that an AI photo that has remnants of the WTC after 9/11 in it?
I don't think so, I just Googled "post apocalypse" and didn't see anything about it being AI.