Normal people with severe food poisoning: "This is horrible, I need to rest." Lindybeige with severe food poisoning: "Time to challenge one of the best fencers in the world to a duel!" Never change, Lindy.
as an experienced olympic style fencer - he was playing easy. that said, i find a lot of olympic fencers get baffled by people ho fence in an unconventional way. you get so used to other fencers adopting essentially the same fencing style that something even moderately unorthodox in terms of tempo or target or technique can really throw some fencers off. I basically exploited the hell out of this in my fencing region by virtue of being mostly self-tought, a left hander, and someone also versed in HEMA
As a european, I used to fence (foil) in Asia where I had one to two heads up on everybody else : not only was my natural reach much longer, but my blade was also proportioned to me and increased the advantage ; I also used the traditional grip rather than pistol grip, giving an extra couple of centimeters of "range". Most people I fenced against couldn't do much against a "retreating counter-attack" (i.e. attacking second without parrying, so without right of way : a risky technique because even while hitting first you can lose the point) because I had this very unique advantage. The better fencers though... not so much :') . - Having this sort of peculiar advantage can be a bad thing in the long run (it was for me), when you get so used to your "signature move" working out that you actually regress (or at least don't progress) in overall technique. Which you come to realize when you face opponents who either cancel out that advantage (lefty vs lefty, tall vs tall, etc.), or people who have enough skill to overcome it.
As I commented above, "An odd thing about fencing is that it can be harder fighting amateurs then experienced fencers on occasion, in as much as so much of fencing is about misdirection in order to create a weakness in the opponent's defence - but amateurs often don't even react to the misdirection, failing to create the weakness. There's a life lesson here somewhere, but I don't know what it is."
Same thing in unarmed martial arts sparring; complete beginners move so illogically that they can easily take you by surprise. They also tend to compensate for a lack of speed with extra power, which hurts. Always a good wake up call.
@@MadManchou I actually practiced fencing in Guatemala as a teenager, and I was taller than most of my opponents!... It really, really was an advantage!
I think that’s the mark of the best athletes. A total one sided victory isn’t fun for anyone. Besides, when you go against a novice, you can try out tiny tiny changes in form/technique/strategy that you couldn’t normally get away with with people of your skill level.
@@lindybeige I believe you! Also you should give yourself more credit in the sparring. You fought an Olympian athelete and was able to actually put up a fight while having food poisoning. I wonder how improved your fighting would have been if you were in good health.
@@lindybeige I believe that some audio programs like Audacity have a tool specifically to excerpt a sound sample, analyze it to find a consistent tone, and then you can reduce or remove that tone from the rest of the audio. It's most often used to remove microphone hiss or droning background noise, but because that buzzer/siren/whatever is a monotone it probably makes it easy to cut that frequency from the entire video. Or you could just determine its exact pitch and use the equalizer to drop its volume by 20 or so decibels. I don't want to ask you to re-edit the audio of an entire video and re-upload it, but ..... It might not be too hard to export the audio as a single track, make the modification, and import it back in as a single track.
Fancy fencer here: Actually, according to FIE (international fencing organisation) rules, you have .25s time to score a double where both get a point. It might be handled differently in the US nationally, but doubles definitely are a thing at the world cup. I was there in 2017 in Leipzig (as a spectator!) and a lot of doubles where scored.
" It might be handled differently in the US nationally, but doubles definitely are a thing at the world cup. " Also in the US in college, at least in the 1970's.
FIE and USFA lockout times for epee are identical, 40 milliseconds. .04 seconds not .25. Fractionally it would be 1/25th of a second, which may be where the confusion comes from
Denys is correct I think. 0.04s FIE. A quarter of a second would be much too long if you think about it. It’s an eternity. You can see a quarter second timing difference easily in steam fencing, you don’t need equipment to measure it.
@@denysbeecher5629 Yep -- and even with 1/25th of a second, plenty of double points get scored! (Though maybe that used to be 1/8th of a second back when I was a fencing instructor in the 90s and early 00s. I've slept since then.)
I've duel there! I was born in Guatemala, and it seems the Fencing gym hall hasn't really changed that much since I was a teenager!.... I remember, on one turnament a lot of time ago, I had taken like, a year off the sport, and i had returned like a month before, but being taller than most of my opponents I still had a really good advantage, and did 0k... One of the most valuable lessons from olympic Fencing is how important reach is, it is amazing!
That was actually impressive, 10 - 9 against a pro is a great achievement. I used to fence épée too and to be honest I'm not convinced that he was being "THAT"nice. Sure maybe he wasn't as competitive as he would have been on an actual tournament, he was sparring, but I think he is legit trying to hit you and had a hard time doing it. I think you are better than you thought, that's atleast what I see.
As an epee fencer this was fun. Near the end when lindy talks about the flick to the hand, saying "can you see how he gets me", I knew without thinking what had happened, but found it curious when the frames were played back and the blade wasn't even visible mostly. How did I know? I wondered. Watching a couple more times I realized I subconsciously noticed his hand moving to the inside for a flick and heard the rather distinctive sound of the hit. I've been hit like that enough times I guess, lol. Lots of other nice hand hits. I admit while watching I kept thinking "ooh lindy's hand and forearm are open, how tempting".
I think Lindy's success here is a combination of his opponent being quite gentle, but also a remarkable level of self-awareness in combat and inginuity
@@Ceser1999 Where in the name of Odin did you come up with that nonsense? The rapier was absolutely not a battlefield weapon, and the smallsword even less so.
I used to teach at your old secondary school, and taught fencing there as well! Such a great sport... Still love teaching it and participating, even if I am getting old and a bit slow.
What a phenomenal sportsman that he let you feel competitive up until the last point so you would still have fun and not feel completely overwhelmed. Like a grandmaster chessplayer letting a novice player getting a few Checks on them
I enjoy watching to the end of your videos because I like the way the lego man shouts “Lindybeige”. It’s one of those words that sticks in my head all day on repeat.
Having only discovered this channel yesterday, I was really surprised to see a fencing video, of all things. Great to see the sport showing up on a channel that isn't dedicated solely to fencing for once. Very brave of you to attempt it while having food poisoning, as well. It's not something I would try. It's always funny to see very experienced fencers competing against beginners, because their entire sense of rhythm and timing gets thrown off by the unorthodox movements of the beginner, best shown in the 1-0 in the match to 5 points. He basically outplayed himself on the action.
Hey lindy! I was thinking of how you can like start a podcast. I really love your long hour rants and love to listen to them while I drive. Thank you for making my drives enjoyable!
I started fencing while a young American living in England, in first Grade. I stayed with it on, and off (mostly off) throughout my life. I had several opportunities to fence against a State Champion, (I always lost but did mange to score a few points,) and once I got to go against an Olympic Silver medalist, who was teaching at my college. I lost, and lost completely and quickly. But it's a moment I treasure. (And anyone who wins any medal in any Olympic sport has my utmost respect.) As always thank you so very much for your video.
As a former epee fencer I can tell you: A double are two hits within 1/25th of a second. In that case both fighters will receive a point. After that 1/25th of a second the electronic will not show the second point.
You did quite well, Loyd! Few remarks: 1) The guy with the shorts is fencing foil, where the hits in the legs do not count, so that's why he decided to risk it. At least the oponent will not aim there on purpouse, that's for sure. 2) The "double touches" must by rule occure within 40 milliseconds (0,04 seconds). The scoring apparatus is programmed to close the circuit after that. The epeé fencers actually train hard to make double touches, as the one, who is ahead could use doubles to win. 3) The apparatus should not register hits in the piste at all. That is what the piste is actually for these days. So the apparatus that you fenced on had a bug or something. 4) The hits in the gauntlet that plagued you soo much are called (at least in my language) "temp" and epeé fencers rigourously train those too, as they are the safest form of attack with this weapon. 5) It was hillarious watching you standing in one spot. The begginers in all 3 disciplines usually spend the first 3 months or so of training, learining how to step and move before they are even allowed to touch a weapon. Keeping the right distance is more important than refliexes. The latter means that fencing is the sport that is the most suted to COVID-19 as keeping your distance and wearing mask are a must. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I miss fencing. For those interested, you should give it a go. Loads of fun and it's cool being able to choose your blade discipline. I went for sabre, as I loved the explosive speed
Congratulations on a million my friend you never seize to amaze me with your historically videos an even your english language ones. Keep up the good work !
I fenced epee in high school and I really miss it, it's a wonderful sword, a wonderful sport, and I'd love to do it more. I was in the top 10 for my state for a while, coach was Olympic level and trained several Olympic fencers (no idea how he ended up coaching at my HS but it was great), super good stuff. Good stress relief too, fun to go home and count the bruises.
In regards to your remark on the use of the épée in dueling I would like to point out Aldo Nadi (1899-1965) who writes about his duel in "The Living Sword" in chapter 17 "The Duel": Basically he describes a duel taking place between him - 25 and a very successful Olympic fencer at the time with no experience as a duelist though - with an 40ish journalist who insulted him - an experienced duelist with five successful duels. "'Since I am the insulted party I shall choose the épée*, not the sabre' - at which statement my brother winced, for he knew very well that épée duels are far more dangerous than those fought with the sabre." An later he writes: "It might be mentioned here that while sabre duels may be bloodier than sword** duels, they are less deadly; they may have a scar on the face for life, but with a few inches of the épée in a vital organ you are through." After 7min of duel - including first aid after every wound the inflicted to each other)- Aldo Nadis opponent realized that this was getting too serious now and ended the fight with "Oh! Aldo, I have had enough! Thank you!" - and both lived on. * this was his preferred weapon as a Olympic fencer, although he won Olympic gold medals with all three: foil, épée and sabre ** meaning épée
Skallagladatoria did a good video on fencing swords vs rapiers and history. It seems, unlike foils and sabres, fencing epees actually had a sharpened equivalent: sharp epees. These were used for real duels
Good skills on both sides - If you haven't done this since you were 16 you did pretty good. Really good show Lindybeige, from an epee fencer and coach. Well played Sir, Well played, a splendid video.
5:33 What :-D :-D. Height is almost always advantage and with no other weapon more so then with epee. 7:20 He missed the leg because he didn't want to hit it full speed without Lindy wearing breaches. 7:37 With Reflex your reaction is caused and controlled not by you, but your opponent. You allow him to control you, you die. Every action must be deliberate. 16:51 Haha, everybody does that sometimes :-D 19:50 All true. But I am not sure if these things gave you such a decisive advantage. Like turning your back isn't particularly helpful :-D
Re your first comment....nah. When everyone is 6' 6", no one is 6' 6", and I saw a 4' 11" woman destroy a 6' 10" in an epee DE years ago...and he was posting with a French grip. She got inside his guard and he was simply unable to bring the point to bear.
Lloyd I just got your letter that you sent out to the Hannibal backers, just want you to know that I’m far more interested in having an amazing final book to keep on my shelf and use to bring my girlfriend and family into period history than having something delivered in a timely manner; don’t apologize for your perfectionism streak, it meshes with your personal eccentricity to create the atmosphere of your content that we all know and love ❤️ All the best to you and Chris, I can’t wait to unpack that book!
I did this epee stuff when I was 16, too, and I was quite good at it. In fact, better than anyone else at the school I went to. In the first place, I taped up my glove and sleeve, so there were no flappy bits an opponent could get to (unlike LB). In the second place, I took guard with my elbow in (unlike LB), so there was no exterior arm the opponent could get to. In the third place, I never stuck my knee out (unlike LB) to provide an obvious target (unless this was to tempt the enemy to attack there so I could prod him elsewhere first). Always I defended, at which I got very good, because nearly all my opponents had been trained to attack. They always got so frustrated because their attacks were nearly always rebuffed, that they made stupid mistakes which enabled me to prod them quite easily. Once, in an inter-school match, I was fighting a kid who was clearly absolutely full of himself, and who won all his fights until he got to me. I had watched him very carefully, and I was absolutely sure I was better. The fight was the first to five, and (honestly) I let him win the first four hits, then retreated as far as I could without losing the final hit through running out of room, and he was so desperate to force me back that he made an idiotic mistake and lost the hit. So mad did this make him that he became ever more desperate to win that final hit, and he just could not do it because I could defend well. Again and again I picked him off because he had become so reckless, so that it became 4 - 4. For the deciding hit, we fenced a little bit, and I then did a sudden fleche attack (running at him) aiming straight at his face. So shocked was he that he froze, and I nearly knocked his head off. [As an aside, the head of your opponent is not a good place to go for, because it is not the nearest part of him by a long way, but this means that he does not expect it, in addition to which, if a guy who has previously never attacked you is coming at you at speed with a pointy thing aimed straight between your eyes, you tend to freeze with shock]. Any way, this poor kid burst into tears, threw his mask off and stomped away, refusing to shake my hand, even though I had offered my left hand to him. In fencing, this is totally ungentlemanly, and completely unacceptable behaviour, and, still in tears he was very severely told off for this and forced to return to shake my hand. This made me feel absolutely awful because I had just played with this poor lad for my own selfish satisfaction and distressed him so much, and got him into trouble to boot.
@@Flyguy779 that's when epee started, but before that... when there wouldn't be any way to really tell it was that fast :P back then you'd have kind of a problem
Hey, Lloyd. This is a good video. Also, at 9:30 or so, that was a beautiful example of what, if I'm not mistaken, Alfred Hutton called "slipping" and I am impressed with your skills.
I really would like a Lindybeige special about the scholar's cradle, steeple etc. with an in-depth tutorial on proper form, different techniques and appropriate usage now :)
The guy in shorts is fencing foil -- where the legs are not intentionally targeted (being off target), and the weapon wasn't originally designed to crack bones. Still a bit of a ballsy choice, especially when fighting electric (and thus with metal tips), but I've done it before plenty of times. Epee, I don't recommend with shorts, especially when fighting electric where the tips are fully metal (not nicely capped with rubber tips.) The professional is wearing kevlar denim cloth. (...and knee-high socks, understandable the legs below the knees don't often get hit accidentally or on purpose.)
If he's an olympic hopeful, he was definitely being gentle. I try to catch every round of fencing at the olympics - the epee people are fast. Very fast. Lots of little whippy motions trying to get the tip to strike with enough force anywhere, such as the glove behind the sword. They can get you even on a parry if they have the momentum. And then that last bout. He definitely stepped it up.
I fenced during my youth, and had the opportunity to fence at a national level for a time; whilst fundamentally it's electronic tag, it was the best analogue for actual swordfighting that I had access to. Couldn't get enough of it for the better part of a decade. Epee was my weapon of choice: no rules of priority to worry about, just beat the other chap (or lady) to the punch. Unfortunately, I returned from University (no facilities there unfortunately) to my old club to find that the Epee meta had drastically shifted away from stiff bladed swords, to these horrible soft, bendy blades (ooh err missus, my love for Matt Easton's content is showing). 17:28 was a textbook example of it. Whilst 'flicks' were used occasionally in my heyday, back then they were much more difficult to pull off as the blades were sturdier due to a larger amount of force being required to register a hit - now people were using them in every other exchange like they were going out of fashion. That shift in the rules gave rise to this weird style that no longer represented 'swordfighting' for me.
When I was a teenager I was friends with a guy named Seth Winder. You have a very similar look and a “quirky” personality that reminds me of Seth. As we grew older he took an unnatural interest in weapons like swords. To make a long story short he murdered a man in his apartment one night with a sword and dismembered him in the guy’s own bathtub. He then placed the guys body parts into large heavy trash bags and took them to the dumpster the night before the rubbish was collected. The murdered man’s dismembered body was picked up by trucks and deposited at the dump and before the police had figured out what had happened, too many days of trash had been put on top of him and the body was never recovered. The investigators proved the man had been murdered because the amount of blood stained walls, carpet, and furniture would have required the man to go to the hospital or it was certain he would die and none of the area hospitals had records of him. My “friend” had used the guy’s credit card at a store while the investigation was going on so the police were able to put 2 and 2 together after talking to Seth’s family. I’m sure you haven’t killed anyone but ever since that event I don’t trust people like you. You have a strikingly similar appearance to Seth. You seem like an intelligent man (like Seth) but let me say, you aren’t intelligent enough to get away with murder. Keep it a hobby before you act on anything ffs
the best thing about epee fencing is, that there are double points (if both hit at the same time). the other two disciplines don't have that, which is a bummer. and btw there is kind of a 'first-blood'-thing in fraternity fencing with 'sharp blades' - at least in the german tradition. that's not to say that the fight is necessarily over at 'first blood' though, but the severity of each 'bloody hit' is investigated by 'the ref' until he decides, that it's enough and the fight is over.
A hit, a very palpable hit. Excellent video sir, thoroughly enjoyed that and thought you faired rather well given how long it had been since fencing last and the food poisoning.
For people who are confused its not really who gets to touch the other person first that gets you the point, as another commenter pointed out you both get a point if both parties score simultaniously or within 0.25 seconds of one another. The reason lindy isn't getting points is because he probably isn't applying enough force, you see you need 750 grams of force with an epee and 500 grams of force with a foil for your hit to count ( don't remember if sabre has a force requirement ) I know this amount sounds kind of small but it is actually a big factor when you account for how quick strikes tend to be, most of the time lindy thinks he gets a hit he probably is just grazing him, thus not getting a point.
Used to fence back in the days, way back in fact, but I remember one thing: fencing against an absolute beginner was very difficult because you had no idea what the newbie would do. You could make any feint you wanted to but the beginner did not even notice it and you could actually run into the opponents épée. Also, fighting a beginner could be quite painful since the beginner did not unload his thrusts properly.
20:16 - No eating, no cheating, no looking out of the windows, no slang, no slide-rules. Use ink only, via a nib if possible. You may use dividers, but not on each other.
I really want to see Lindy doing saber fencing. Easily the most interesting of the three disciplines, though this may be because I find fighting people who do nothing but jab and thrust (like with epee and foil) to be boring and tedious.
Normal people with severe food poisoning: "This is horrible, I need to rest."
Lindybeige with severe food poisoning: "Time to challenge one of the best fencers in the world to a duel!"
Never change, Lindy.
might have beat him at dancing
Heh.
Talk about dedication to the craft...
@@Makrillol he mentions at the end that the archery was at the start of that day
@@sylvainrobert5156 Everytime I comment somewhere and think I won't be recognized...
Heh.
"He is going to give me a few pointers...."
Indeed.
We've elevated from fresh fruit, and pointed sticks.
He has a little TIP for you, get the POINT?
IT WAS A FREE TRIAL PERIOD!!!
*chefth kith*
as an experienced olympic style fencer - he was playing easy.
that said, i find a lot of olympic fencers get baffled by people ho fence in an unconventional way. you get so used to other fencers adopting essentially the same fencing style that something even moderately unorthodox in terms of tempo or target or technique can really throw some fencers off. I basically exploited the hell out of this in my fencing region by virtue of being mostly self-tought, a left hander, and someone also versed in HEMA
As a european, I used to fence (foil) in Asia where I had one to two heads up on everybody else : not only was my natural reach much longer, but my blade was also proportioned to me and increased the advantage ; I also used the traditional grip rather than pistol grip, giving an extra couple of centimeters of "range".
Most people I fenced against couldn't do much against a "retreating counter-attack" (i.e. attacking second without parrying, so without right of way : a risky technique because even while hitting first you can lose the point) because I had this very unique advantage. The better fencers though... not so much :') .
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Having this sort of peculiar advantage can be a bad thing in the long run (it was for me), when you get so used to your "signature move" working out that you actually regress (or at least don't progress) in overall technique. Which you come to realize when you face opponents who either cancel out that advantage (lefty vs lefty, tall vs tall, etc.), or people who have enough skill to overcome it.
As I commented above, "An odd thing about fencing is that it can be harder fighting amateurs then experienced fencers on occasion, in as much as so much of fencing is about misdirection in order to create a weakness in the opponent's defence - but amateurs often don't even react to the misdirection, failing to create the weakness. There's a life lesson here somewhere, but I don't know what it is."
Same thing in unarmed martial arts sparring; complete beginners move so illogically that they can easily take you by surprise. They also tend to compensate for a lack of speed with extra power, which hurts. Always a good wake up call.
it's kinda nice though, he has a friendly match allowing the other opponent to have fun and learn a bit. good form for him
@@MadManchou I actually practiced fencing in Guatemala as a teenager, and I was taller than most of my opponents!... It really, really was an advantage!
True champion: able to win less skilled opponent just closely enough to make a good match.
I think he kept it close because it knew how happy he'd be if he kept up and wasn't destroyed
The less pretentious the person the less arrogant they are.
I think that’s the mark of the best athletes.
A total one sided victory isn’t fun for anyone.
Besides, when you go against a novice, you can try out tiny tiny changes in form/technique/strategy that you couldn’t normally get away with with people of your skill level.
Didnt want a short video :D
It would not be fun for either of them if he went 100%
I've always been a fan of the stabby sports.
I'm reminded of a quote from the *_Firefly_* episode _Shindig:_
"He thinks he's actually doing well...."
Just remember, mercy is the mark of a great man
@Apathetic Apparition well I'm alright
I scrolled down in the comments hoping for this.
I was not disappointed.
Shiny.
Nice
Face masks, gloves, staying at least 1 metre apart, the perfect coronavirus era sport.
And you stab anyone who comes too close!
They shook hands however, unacceptable!
And yet here I mam thrusting at a mask on a stick
No no no no no no no, there might be a virus sitting on the the tip of your epee. THE HORROR!!!!
And yet my club is still not meeting
Such a gentleman that champion fencer was. Kept it interesting and played at speed that made Lindy enjoy himself and learn from it. Kudos
Loved the video. The tinnitus is my ears will go away eventually im sure.
Yes, editing lots of sharp loud clicks and then trying to talk clearly over them is a challenge.
@@lindybeige I kid you not, a minute after the video and I can still hear the buzzing. You have my sympathy!
@@lindybeige I believe you! Also you should give yourself more credit in the sparring. You fought an Olympian athelete and was able to actually put up a fight while having food poisoning.
I wonder how improved your fighting would have been if you were in good health.
@@lindybeige I believe that some audio programs like Audacity have a tool specifically to excerpt a sound sample, analyze it to find a consistent tone, and then you can reduce or remove that tone from the rest of the audio.
It's most often used to remove microphone hiss or droning background noise, but because that buzzer/siren/whatever is a monotone it probably makes it easy to cut that frequency from the entire video. Or you could just determine its exact pitch and use the equalizer to drop its volume by 20 or so decibels.
I don't want to ask you to re-edit the audio of an entire video and re-upload it, but ..... It might not be too hard to export the audio as a single track, make the modification, and import it back in as a single track.
Fancy fencer here: Actually, according to FIE (international fencing organisation) rules, you have .25s time to score a double where both get a point. It might be handled differently in the US nationally, but doubles definitely are a thing at the world cup. I was there in 2017 in Leipzig (as a spectator!) and a lot of doubles where scored.
" It might be handled differently in the US nationally, but doubles definitely are a thing at the world cup. "
Also in the US in college, at least in the 1970's.
FIE and USFA lockout times for epee are identical, 40 milliseconds. .04 seconds not .25. Fractionally it would be 1/25th of a second, which may be where the confusion comes from
Denys is correct I think. 0.04s FIE. A quarter of a second would be much too long if you think about it. It’s an eternity. You can see a quarter second timing difference easily in steam fencing, you don’t need equipment to measure it.
Maybe they disable the dobles when on practice.
@@denysbeecher5629 Yep -- and even with 1/25th of a second, plenty of double points get scored! (Though maybe that used to be 1/8th of a second back when I was a fencing instructor in the 90s and early 00s. I've slept since then.)
The little LEGO man didn't say "Lindybeige", my whole day is ruined.
I love fencing, I'd love to learn some someday.
The fact he managed to pretend to be only barely better until that last point is actually quite impressive
He was very gentle with you :)
I've duel there! I was born in Guatemala, and it seems the Fencing gym hall hasn't really changed that much since I was a teenager!....
I remember, on one turnament a lot of time ago, I had taken like, a year off the sport, and i had returned like a month before, but being taller than most of my opponents I still had a really good advantage, and did 0k... One of the most valuable lessons from olympic Fencing is how important reach is, it is amazing!
2:49 Is quite a heroic shot of these gentlemen
He looked into the camera goddammit xD
That was actually impressive, 10 - 9 against a pro is a great achievement. I used to fence épée too and to be honest I'm not convinced that he was being "THAT"nice. Sure maybe he wasn't as competitive as he would have been on an actual tournament, he was sparring, but I think he is legit trying to hit you and had a hard time doing it. I think you are better than you thought, that's atleast what I see.
Hey! Good to see you here
You and Lloyd should make a collab video where you spar eachother, that'd be great! The community would love it
The Metatron has spread his wings
I love this guys personality, he seems like a super cool uncle/dad/grandpa
As an epee fencer this was fun. Near the end when lindy talks about the flick to the hand, saying "can you see how he gets me", I knew without thinking what had happened, but found it curious when the frames were played back and the blade wasn't even visible mostly. How did I know? I wondered. Watching a couple more times I realized I subconsciously noticed his hand moving to the inside for a flick and heard the rather distinctive sound of the hit. I've been hit like that enough times I guess, lol. Lots of other nice hand hits. I admit while watching I kept thinking "ooh lindy's hand and forearm are open, how tempting".
hehehe "epee"
One of the few advertisements I actually look forward to. The scholar's cradle analyses are just awesome
I think Lindy's success here is a combination of his opponent being quite gentle, but also a remarkable level of self-awareness in combat and inginuity
...Sir Lindy of Biege will return for revenge. And will take the whole fencing team in his full plate armor...😈
Ah, but that is exactly what fencing swords where made to defeat.
@@Ceser1999 this.
That being said, it would make for a fantastic video
with his own homemade sword
@@Ceser1999 and if he goes in with a spear for the range advantage?
@@Ceser1999 Where in the name of Odin did you come up with that nonsense? The rapier was absolutely not a battlefield weapon, and the smallsword even less so.
Very gentlemanly of him, and good on you for playing the game.
I used to teach at your old secondary school, and taught fencing there as well! Such a great sport... Still love teaching it and participating, even if I am getting old and a bit slow.
I think the problem was Lindy was using a flimsy French sword. A proper British fences with a Claymore.
Wrong! With a 150 lps longbow on 100 foot range.
HAHAHA
best comment ever hahaha
And by the time he had swung the hefty thing anywhere near his francophone adversary, said adversary would have already poked him half to death.
@@fds7476 and still be gay...
What a phenomenal sportsman that he let you feel competitive up until the last point so you would still have fun and not feel completely overwhelmed. Like a grandmaster chessplayer letting a novice player getting a few Checks on them
I enjoy watching to the end of your videos because I like the way the lego man shouts “Lindybeige”. It’s one of those words that sticks in my head all day on repeat.
Love the humor in the title xD
You want a good laugh check out Lindys old pro Brexit or Climate change denial videos.
Gratz on 1 mil subscribers, you are officially a big boy now
This is my absolute favourite channel.
Having only discovered this channel yesterday, I was really surprised to see a fencing video, of all things. Great to see the sport showing up on a channel that isn't dedicated solely to fencing for once. Very brave of you to attempt it while having food poisoning, as well. It's not something I would try. It's always funny to see very experienced fencers competing against beginners, because their entire sense of rhythm and timing gets thrown off by the unorthodox movements of the beginner, best shown in the 1-0 in the match to 5 points. He basically outplayed himself on the action.
Knowledge and power, power and knowledge... Lindybeidge is our hero
Hey lindy! I was thinking of how you can like start a podcast. I really love your long hour rants and love to listen to them while I drive. Thank you for making my drives enjoyable!
You should try the other disciplines around when the Winter Olympics are happening
Specifically saber because it’s the best one
I started fencing while a young American living in England, in first Grade. I stayed with it on, and off (mostly off) throughout my life. I had several opportunities to fence against a State Champion, (I always lost but did mange to score a few points,) and once I got to go against an Olympic Silver medalist, who was teaching at my college. I lost, and lost completely and quickly. But it's a moment I treasure. (And anyone who wins any medal in any Olympic sport has my utmost respect.)
As always thank you so very much for your video.
I love the concept of Adventure Trousers.
I think I would need a brown pair, though.
Beige is the colour of the British explorer
As a former epee fencer I can tell you: A double are two hits within 1/25th of a second. In that case both fighters will receive a point.
After that 1/25th of a second the electronic will not show the second point.
You did quite well, Loyd! Few remarks:
1) The guy with the shorts is fencing foil, where the hits in the legs do not count, so that's why he decided to risk it. At least the oponent will not aim there on purpouse, that's for sure.
2) The "double touches" must by rule occure within 40 milliseconds (0,04 seconds). The scoring apparatus is programmed to close the circuit after that. The epeé fencers actually train hard to make double touches, as the one, who is ahead could use doubles to win.
3) The apparatus should not register hits in the piste at all. That is what the piste is actually for these days. So the apparatus that you fenced on had a bug or something.
4) The hits in the gauntlet that plagued you soo much are called (at least in my language) "temp" and epeé fencers rigourously train those too, as they are the safest form of attack with this weapon.
5) It was hillarious watching you standing in one spot. The begginers in all 3 disciplines usually spend the first 3 months or so of training, learining how to step and move before they are even allowed to touch a weapon. Keeping the right distance is more important than refliexes. The latter means that fencing is the sport that is the most suted to COVID-19 as keeping your distance and wearing mask are a must.
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I miss fencing. For those interested, you should give it a go. Loads of fun and it's cool being able to choose your blade discipline. I went for sabre, as I loved the explosive speed
Congratulations on a million my friend you never seize to amaze me with your historically videos an even your english language ones. Keep up the good work !
I fenced epee in high school and I really miss it, it's a wonderful sword, a wonderful sport, and I'd love to do it more. I was in the top 10 for my state for a while, coach was Olympic level and trained several Olympic fencers (no idea how he ended up coaching at my HS but it was great), super good stuff. Good stress relief too, fun to go home and count the bruises.
In regards to your remark on the use of the épée in dueling I would like to point out Aldo Nadi (1899-1965) who writes about his duel in "The Living Sword" in chapter 17 "The Duel":
Basically he describes a duel taking place between him - 25 and a very successful Olympic fencer at the time with no experience as a duelist though - with an 40ish journalist who insulted him - an experienced duelist with five successful duels.
"'Since I am the insulted party I shall choose the épée*, not the sabre' - at which statement my brother winced, for he knew very well that épée duels are far more dangerous than those fought with the sabre." An later he writes: "It might be mentioned here that while sabre duels may be bloodier than sword** duels, they are less deadly; they may have a scar on the face for life, but with a few inches of the épée in a vital organ you are through."
After 7min of duel - including first aid after every wound the inflicted to each other)- Aldo Nadis opponent realized that this was getting too serious now and ended the fight with "Oh! Aldo, I have had enough! Thank you!" - and both lived on.
* this was his preferred weapon as a Olympic fencer, although he won Olympic gold medals with all three: foil, épée and sabre
** meaning épée
I was so thrilled, bravo!
Congrats on 1 mil you absolute legend
Skallagladatoria did a good video on fencing swords vs rapiers and history. It seems, unlike foils and sabres, fencing epees actually had a sharpened equivalent: sharp epees. These were used for real duels
Good skills on both sides - If you haven't done this since you were 16 you did pretty good. Really good show Lindybeige, from an epee fencer and coach. Well played Sir, Well played, a splendid video.
This is one of the better explanations of fencing I’ve seen
5:33 What :-D :-D. Height is almost always advantage and with no other weapon more so then with epee.
7:20 He missed the leg because he didn't want to hit it full speed without Lindy wearing breaches.
7:37 With Reflex your reaction is caused and controlled not by you, but your opponent. You allow him to control you, you die. Every action must be deliberate.
16:51 Haha, everybody does that sometimes :-D
19:50 All true. But I am not sure if these things gave you such a decisive advantage. Like turning your back isn't particularly helpful :-D
Re your first comment....nah. When everyone is 6' 6", no one is 6' 6", and I saw a 4' 11" woman destroy a 6' 10" in an epee DE years ago...and he was posting with a French grip.
She got inside his guard and he was simply unable to bring the point to bear.
Lloyd I just got your letter that you sent out to the Hannibal backers, just want you to know that I’m far more interested in having an amazing final book to keep on my shelf and use to bring my girlfriend and family into period history than having something delivered in a timely manner; don’t apologize for your perfectionism streak, it meshes with your personal eccentricity to create the atmosphere of your content that we all know and love ❤️ All the best to you and Chris, I can’t wait to unpack that book!
(11:00) That was a very well played sponsor bit; excellent intro to *The Great Courses Plus.*
I watched presentations about how muscles work on *Newton's Apple* and *3-2-1 Contact* on PBS.
Thank you Guatemala
the gentlemanliest video on the platform
Interesting to see him give fencing a go, god knows it’s an enjoyable sport
Epee is the best of the three disciplines - well chosen!
I loved that last round. It looked fast and stylish.
Quite possibly the first video on TH-cam where the video and the description are both 10s!^^
Happy to see you practising fencing(epee), its my favourite sport.
Two videos in two days, lindy you beautiful man
I like how you pointed out the King's Colours.
Keep spoiling us with these amazing videos Lloyd! Love the content but it's a bit more complicated than that!!
If you want to read about the history of duelling and fencing, and excellent book is By the Sword by Richard Cohen.
Overall another great video! That last "free trial period" broke me. I did not expect that.
I did this epee stuff when I was 16, too, and I was quite good at it. In fact, better than anyone else at the school I went to. In the first place, I taped up my glove and sleeve, so there were no flappy bits an opponent could get to (unlike LB). In the second place, I took guard with my elbow in (unlike LB), so there was no exterior arm the opponent could get to. In the third place, I never stuck my knee out (unlike LB) to provide an obvious target (unless this was to tempt the enemy to attack there so I could prod him elsewhere first). Always I defended, at which I got very good, because nearly all my opponents had been trained to attack. They always got so frustrated because their attacks were nearly always rebuffed, that they made stupid mistakes which enabled me to prod them quite easily. Once, in an inter-school match, I was fighting a kid who was clearly absolutely full of himself, and who won all his fights until he got to me. I had watched him very carefully, and I was absolutely sure I was better. The fight was the first to five, and (honestly) I let him win the first four hits, then retreated as far as I could without losing the final hit through running out of room, and he was so desperate to force me back that he made an idiotic mistake and lost the hit. So mad did this make him that he became ever more desperate to win that final hit, and he just could not do it because I could defend well. Again and again I picked him off because he had become so reckless, so that it became 4 - 4. For the deciding hit, we fenced a little bit, and I then did a sudden fleche attack (running at him) aiming straight at his face. So shocked was he that he froze, and I nearly knocked his head off. [As an aside, the head of your opponent is not a good place to go for, because it is not the nearest part of him by a long way, but this means that he does not expect it, in addition to which, if a guy who has previously never attacked you is coming at you at speed with a pointy thing aimed straight between your eyes, you tend to freeze with shock]. Any way, this poor kid burst into tears, threw his mask off and stomped away, refusing to shake my hand, even though I had offered my left hand to him. In fencing, this is totally ungentlemanly, and completely unacceptable behaviour, and, still in tears he was very severely told off for this and forced to return to shake my hand. This made me feel absolutely awful because I had just played with this poor lad for my own selfish satisfaction and distressed him so much, and got him into trouble to boot.
back in the day:
first blood...
"mY HiT wAs OnE TwEnTiEtH oF a SeCoNd EaRliEr"
...except we'll both die from some kind of infection
Aint Jack that TIFO video about the topless duellists?
epee fencing was developed in the mid 19th century, they had enough medicine knowledge to treat simple puncture wounds
@@Flyguy779 that's when epee started, but before that... when there wouldn't be any way to really tell it was that fast :P back then you'd have kind of a problem
@ Oh, I was wondering why two naked ladies were reenacting The Count of Monte Christo outside the pub.
Well, that explains half of it at least.
@@Flyguy779 not if they got infected.
Epée hits hurt like hell!
Hey, Lloyd. This is a good video. Also, at 9:30 or so, that was a beautiful example of what, if I'm not mistaken, Alfred Hutton called "slipping" and I am impressed with your skills.
I was Connecticut state fencing champion in foil in 1982. Great sport.
that was fun! thanks for sharing the duel really enjoyed that
Excellent stuff Lindy, thank you
Looked like you had a terrific amount of fun.
The trousers are awesome. The old beige!!!
I really would like a Lindybeige special about the scholar's cradle, steeple etc. with an in-depth tutorial on proper form, different techniques and appropriate usage now :)
WHAT, I'm from the Península and been a big fan since your torches videos, would have definitively made the trip to catch up!
Love watching your videos lindybeige! Thank you kind sir for sharing your educating adventures! 😎🤟
Lindy, as always, being the epitome of British politeness abroad! No gunboats required! Good video Sir
Congrats on 1M!
The guy in shorts is fencing foil -- where the legs are not intentionally targeted (being off target), and the weapon wasn't originally designed to crack bones. Still a bit of a ballsy choice, especially when fighting electric (and thus with metal tips), but I've done it before plenty of times. Epee, I don't recommend with shorts, especially when fighting electric where the tips are fully metal (not nicely capped with rubber tips.) The professional is wearing kevlar denim cloth. (...and knee-high socks, understandable the legs below the knees don't often get hit accidentally or on purpose.)
Good show. Quite enjoyable
If he's an olympic hopeful, he was definitely being gentle. I try to catch every round of fencing at the olympics - the epee people are fast. Very fast. Lots of little whippy motions trying to get the tip to strike with enough force anywhere, such as the glove behind the sword. They can get you even on a parry if they have the momentum.
And then that last bout. He definitely stepped it up.
Lloyd, you’re on fire! So many uploads lately! Thank you!!
I fenced during my youth, and had the opportunity to fence at a national level for a time; whilst fundamentally it's electronic tag, it was the best analogue for actual swordfighting that I had access to. Couldn't get enough of it for the better part of a decade. Epee was my weapon of choice: no rules of priority to worry about, just beat the other chap (or lady) to the punch.
Unfortunately, I returned from University (no facilities there unfortunately) to my old club to find that the Epee meta had drastically shifted away from stiff bladed swords, to these horrible soft, bendy blades (ooh err missus, my love for Matt Easton's content is showing).
17:28 was a textbook example of it. Whilst 'flicks' were used occasionally in my heyday, back then they were much more difficult to pull off as the blades were sturdier due to a larger amount of force being required to register a hit - now people were using them in every other exchange like they were going out of fashion. That shift in the rules gave rise to this weird style that no longer represented 'swordfighting' for me.
I took up sabre two years ago for that reason. Those floppy blades are no fun to fight with.
Yes. Bendy blades and flick attacks are more like fly fishing than sword fighting!
I’ve always been fascinated by fencing
I'm guessing after dooku took your hand?
Lindy really needed some high ground, the power of beige wasn't enough.
I think seeing Lloyd shat his pants would have been hilarious.
TheGrandJeef- sadly, yes- Dooku used a style similar to that with a rapier- which is used in certain types of fencing
Yeah, me too. It's coarse, rough and it gets everywhere.
Oh ,wait.
This is such a cool video thanks for making it Lloyd.
When I was a teenager I was friends with a guy named Seth Winder. You have a very similar look and a “quirky” personality that reminds me of Seth. As we grew older he took an unnatural interest in weapons like swords. To make a long story short he murdered a man in his apartment one night with a sword and dismembered him in the guy’s own bathtub. He then placed the guys body parts into large heavy trash bags and took them to the dumpster the night before the rubbish was collected. The murdered man’s dismembered body was picked up by trucks and deposited at the dump and before the police had figured out what had happened, too many days of trash had been put on top of him and the body was never recovered. The investigators proved the man had been murdered because the amount of blood stained walls, carpet, and furniture would have required the man to go to the hospital or it was certain he would die and none of the area hospitals had records of him. My “friend” had used the guy’s credit card at a store while the investigation was going on so the police were able to put 2 and 2 together after talking to Seth’s family. I’m sure you haven’t killed anyone but ever since that event I don’t trust people like you. You have a strikingly similar appearance to Seth. You seem like an intelligent man (like Seth) but let me say, you aren’t intelligent enough to get away with murder. Keep it a hobby before you act on anything ffs
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glad to see u again
the best thing about epee fencing is, that there are double points (if both hit at the same time). the other two disciplines don't have that, which is a bummer.
and btw there is kind of a 'first-blood'-thing in fraternity fencing with 'sharp blades' - at least in the german tradition. that's not to say that the fight is necessarily over at 'first blood' though, but the severity of each 'bloody hit' is investigated by 'the ref' until he decides, that it's enough and the fight is over.
A hit, a very palpable hit. Excellent video sir, thoroughly enjoyed that and thought you faired rather well given how long it had been since fencing last and the food poisoning.
As a fencer, i think you really make the whole thing look elegant
Congrats on 1 million!
For people who are confused its not really who gets to touch the other person first that gets you the point, as another commenter pointed out you both get a point if both parties score simultaniously or within 0.25 seconds of one another. The reason lindy isn't getting points is because he probably isn't applying enough force, you see you need 750 grams of force with an epee and 500 grams of force with a foil for your hit to count ( don't remember if sabre has a force requirement ) I know this amount sounds kind of small but it is actually a big factor when you account for how quick strikes tend to be, most of the time lindy thinks he gets a hit he probably is just grazing him, thus not getting a point.
Used to fence back in the days, way back in fact, but I remember one thing: fencing against an absolute beginner was very difficult because you had no idea what the newbie would do. You could make any feint you wanted to but the beginner did not even notice it and you could actually run into the opponents épée. Also, fighting a beginner could be quite painful since the beginner did not unload his thrusts properly.
An an upload from The Beige man.
Marvelous
Lovely video!
I really like your travel videos.
20:16 - No eating, no cheating, no looking out of the windows, no slang, no slide-rules. Use ink only, via a nib if possible. You may use dividers, but not on each other.
And strictly no ambling.
Warts and all, nice 1 Lindy.
Can't upvote this enough!
"Notice the knuckle grips [on the sabres]... AND THIS FLAG WHICH WE STOPPED USING IN 1801." It's such gold, I love it.
I really want to see Lindy doing saber fencing. Easily the most interesting of the three disciplines, though this may be because I find fighting people who do nothing but jab and thrust (like with epee and foil) to be boring and tedious.
Very good quality video
Lindybeige dons a straitjacket and finds it suits him perfectly. Bugger!