Error at 5:30. This isn't a departure from the classic loop, this is the classic loop. In old C&C games you could only train units from a single production facility of that type, designated as you 'primary', which could also be switched. You would also receive a boost in training speed for each additional building of this type.
Makes it worse that he called it a pretty unique mechanic. So unique its only in every C&C game and copies. Gonna need to re earn his nerd card after this.
Thank you. I had to stop watching this review there as it became evident he never played the actual C&C games. And since 8 and 9 bit armies is a boomer RTS made by millenials, for millenials, you have to know these kind of things.
Would be cool if they added all the factions from their 8-bit games so that players could relive the "8-Bit Arena" experience from long ago. Would be cool to fight as Orcs against Aliens again.
Loved that fact of the 8-bit games, you only needed to have one version, to play with friends who had the others. Was real fun to have a mixed army from all 3 games in a match if you got lucky with the chests.
It looks like it's launching at $19.99 regular but it has a 10% discount for launch making it $17.99. they also have the soundtrack as a separate purchase item for $8.99, and a bundle with both which is $28.98 but it's discounted to $24.28.
Am I going mad or do I remember the old command and conquer games working exactly as he said this game does in regard to unit production? Or have I misunderstood something?
It is weird that Petropglyph didn't want to reveal the price beforehand because it ended up VERY reasonable imo. Game looks good, see you in there, thanks for the video!
the time reduction of muti production buildings was in the original C&C as well, so this is very much C&C. It was Total Annulation that made people get used to muti production making units individually. Building multiple buildings was another TA addition, not a OG C&C thing, it was RA2 that added the ability to at least build 2 things at once, defensive and main. Generals did the TA thing of having workers, so you could do several buildings at once.
It was in RA2 100%, you can assign the primary building by double clicking on it, and you will hear the lovely voice: "Primary building selected", brings back memories
@l0rf I knew C&C 3 and RA 3 had the production based on each building, but I haven't play C&C 2 yet, and I've played very little RA 2 due to the First Decade edition version thinking I had pirated it, and because of that it's currently my least favorite RA.
I’m happy devs are still perusing RTS games. I never played the 8-bit games of old but still play tiberian sun and yuris revenge. This game seems kinda cool but looks like the only strategy here is just amass units and just go attack without any real strategy involved. Unfortunately not my kind of thing. Would have rather gotten a RA2 remaster of sorts or copy.
the multiple training buildings not training in multiple buildings, but decreasing training time is a C&C thing from what i remember. i do know red alert 2 was like that
Does the campaign have a real story with missions having voice acting, events, character interactions and basically everything that C&C more or less had from the beginning? I really missed that in the 8-Bit games. There was just a small wall of text before the start and the missions stayed mostly the same from beginning to end.
@@SeanUCFI hope that there will be at least a little more than that. It doesn't need much. Just some average voice actors and in engine cutsences or even some blocky prerendered stuff before the missions. I don't mind if the writing is cheesy. But since this clearly tries to catch the spirit of classic C&C it's just not the same for me without it.
@@Warenai I agree. I never played the campaign for 8-bit armies b/c of that. There was no hook. I did play the skirmish quite a bit though until I realized how unbalanced it was with the two other 8-bit games that could be integrated with it.
I had a group of friends that would play 8-Bit Armies, we'd set up maps where 6 of us would go head to head and give each other 10 mins grace period before we all allied/attacked/formed enemies haha, was an absolute blast
The more of unit buildings -> less building time is a classic C&C feature as I remember, at least since RA2, pretty sure that had it, since then Yuri my Master! :D
The mega structures remind me of a mechanic from lego: loco of all things! Where certain buildings placed next to each other could combine to create brand new ones!
I'll put it on my wishlist; I simply don't buy Early Access games under any circumstances. Also I hope they add the option for proper left click controls for this, that right click stuff ain't for me. I'm still quite disappointed that they never updated 8-Bit Armies like they said they would in the Steam forum. I couldn't get used to the controls and stopped playing.
It looks pretty good. I had a lot of fun with the 8 bit games. I don't think I played the fantasy one. I'll wait til it leaves early access but will likely get it soon after.
The question for Petroglyph is, they had a CnC Renegade spirit successor in the works, but they made Great War and now 9-bit, did they strike a deal with EA and are developing a fleshed out Renegade successor?
I wish that one faction were made up of 2D sprites and the other made of crude 3D models. It would have made the factions feel more different and you could have told a story about how half the population wanted to upgrade the world to polygons while the other half wanted to stay 2D. The 2D army could play like classic Command and Conquer, while the 3D army plays like Total Annihilation.
I hated 8bit armies. It was a rush, unit spam and murder ball game, an RTS without the S part. I hope this plays more in line with C&C but by the footage it still looks like a spam fest with a lobotomized AI so hard pass.
It has NAVAL COMBAT? I'm sold. That's one of the reasons i love Supreme Commander to bits. My only problem with the game is that i've never heard of it until now.
I personally did not like the demo. I prefer a slower paced combat that allows for movement and positioning. The game looks and runs great, but I am not the right consumer for this game.
I played 8-bit and had it refunded because i couldn't find anything special about it. It felt like Tibarian Dawn with different graphics and a lame campaign. I had hopes for 9-bit but this now looks like Red Alert 1 with different graphics. My favourite rts is Red Alert 2 but i guess I just keep playing that until someone decides to make a game that expands on the old gameplay. I don't see the sense in making cloned games, especially when they are made by the original developers. The music is great though.
@@igorthelight I think he meant that this game, released 30 years after C&C, looks worse than the original C&C. I agree, and I also find that quite sad. Why *that* ugly?!
Sounds like you never played command and conquer you could only que units from One building in all the early command and conkers I'm pretty sure they changed it only in general
I'm unsure what to think about this game. I've played in a lot of RTS before, other C&C sequels and blizzard's entries for example. And I've played 8-bit armies\hordes\invaders. Based on my experience it felt like a cash grab. It was 8-bit version boiled down to stupidity clone of an another game. Very generic. The games themself were kinda good visually and in a technical side. Currently I'm completing the C&C tiberium dawn campaign and I'm loving it. 8-bit and 9-bit army seems to be closest to that. You see, even the first oldest C&C (which was the simplest in the series) has more variety and fun elements than 8-bit armies. And judging on the surface level based on this video, it is still better than 9-bit army. Old C&C has interesting unit design, it has different projectiles and it's system is not boiled down to few rules. For example GDI grenadeer is good anti-infantry, as well as flamethrower for the nod. But flamethrower is more AoE suicidal unit, and grenadier is more ranged and microable. Their factions really diverse, with kinks everywhere. In 8-bit army there were two generic sides, as well in other 8-bit games. It was the choice like scout, tank, heavy tank, rocket launcher. Also when it does 90% of the first C&C and nothing more, no improvements - that's sad. As of 9-bit army, I'll probably buy it, because I think there's not many RTS, and I want to try it in hope that they will change. I still think it is just a cash grab. I still can't see a variety or uniqueness, which in my opinion is the bread in butter of any game. They've added a lot more units. But they still look kinda similar to each other... Petroglyph can do better, they've made Grey Goo almost 10 years ago, I think their last unique game.
Well, looks like your finger was on the money, it's under $20 and has a 10% off introductory offer. As a player of 8-Bit Armies, my biggest gripe was just the feeling of the units and their respective time to kill. They felt... Chunky, if that makes any sense? It didn't feel right but I also think I'm just so used to the hard counter rock paper scissors of the original Command and Conquers that anything that takes longer than 3 seconds to die against it's respective counter is a bit weird to me.
Man i follow plenty of RTS channels and i swear, i am so sick of early access. Every time i see a video on an interesting game, surprise, it's early access with no plans in sight for a proper launch. Yes, i'm ranting for no reason, i'm old and grumpy.
I've bought a copy of Iron Harvest + expack for 8 bucks American on a Steam sale. CrossFire: Legion for only 3, and its postlaunch support is sporadic, yet strong.
What irritates me about this game is the fact that it is a senseless spamming and throwing of masses of units at the opponent. That's it. See who can produce the most units and keep on sending them without a pause. It is mindless and childish. There is no subtlety. No time to work out tactics or strategy. It doesn't matter. Just produce, produce and produce units and throw them at the opponent.
Error at 5:30. This isn't a departure from the classic loop, this is the classic loop. In old C&C games you could only train units from a single production facility of that type, designated as you 'primary', which could also be switched. You would also receive a boost in training speed for each additional building of this type.
Makes it worse that he called it a pretty unique mechanic. So unique its only in every C&C game and copies. Gonna need to re earn his nerd card after this.
@ore6691 this changed with Generals probably because it was built using the SAGE engine
This was my exact thought
Thank you. I had to stop watching this review there as it became evident he never played the actual C&C games. And since 8 and 9 bit armies is a boomer RTS made by millenials, for millenials, you have to know these kind of things.
I was literally thinking the same thing when I got to that video sounds like you never played true RTS game
Many Petroglyph employees are old Westwood devs. So I really have a soft spot for them in my heart.
Yesterday I've sent a complain on EA launcher issues, didn't drop the chance to send them to hell again for killing Westwood Studios
Is that still the case?
I feel every other RTS someone says "they have Westood devs".
Would be cool if they added all the factions from their 8-bit games so that players could relive the "8-Bit Arena" experience from long ago. Would be cool to fight as Orcs against Aliens again.
I'm going to wait for that before buying, cause I still have all the 8bit
The devs said they might be adding more factions in future. The game has modding and I think you can modify factions in that.
@@therealmcgoy4968 hopefully the Imperial Guard from WH40K will be modded in.
Loved that fact of the 8-bit games, you only needed to have one version, to play with friends who had the others. Was real fun to have a mixed army from all 3 games in a match if you got lucky with the chests.
4:39 early C&C games have certainly endeared me to his music.
I love to see they're still working with Klepacki, what a fking legend
It looks like it's launching at $19.99 regular but it has a 10% discount for launch making it $17.99. they also have the soundtrack as a separate purchase item for $8.99, and a bundle with both which is $28.98 but it's discounted to $24.28.
in Latam region, at least the country I am in its actually only 10$ :) regional pricing yay
Only 8.2 bucks in South Asia :)
Such a under-rated studio. I wished someone would green-lit Empire at War 2. I also wished there was a sequel to UaW.
Am I going mad or do I remember the old command and conquer games working exactly as he said this game does in regard to unit production? Or have I misunderstood something?
You're not mad, it did work that way
This is exactly how it worked
it do be dat way
It is weird that Petropglyph didn't want to reveal the price beforehand because it ended up VERY reasonable imo. Game looks good, see you in there, thanks for the video!
the time reduction of muti production buildings was in the original C&C as well, so this is very much C&C. It was Total Annulation that made people get used to muti production making units individually. Building multiple buildings was another TA addition, not a OG C&C thing, it was RA2 that added the ability to at least build 2 things at once, defensive and main. Generals did the TA thing of having workers, so you could do several buildings at once.
The timer reduction by building multiple facilities was something used in some of the later C&C titles, pretty sure at least C&C 3 and wrath had it.
no,it was done in 2d cnc games,on cnc 3 and red alert 3 building another barracks or factory allows you to recruit more units simultaneously.
It is the opposite way around, it stopped with C&C Generals
I think the mental omega mod had that feature I think
5:57 pretty sure that mechanic was in the original C&C and RA. Not sure about C&C Tiberium Dawn and RA2
It was in RA2 100%, you can assign the primary building by double clicking on it, and you will hear the lovely voice: "Primary building selected",
brings back memories
Up until generals, it was that way for all Westwood titles. It's neither unique nor a departure from the classic way😅
@l0rf I knew C&C 3 and RA 3 had the production based on each building, but I haven't play C&C 2 yet, and I've played very little RA 2 due to the First Decade edition version thinking I had pirated it, and because of that it's currently my least favorite RA.
Yup it was, I totally spaced there. Sorry I've got CNC3 brain
@@Zade_95 I am sorry about this. There is another minor technicality... They have done Early access before with Forged Battalion.
I’m happy devs are still perusing RTS games. I never played the 8-bit games of old but still play tiberian sun and yuris revenge. This game seems kinda cool but looks like the only strategy here is just amass units and just go attack without any real strategy involved. Unfortunately not my kind of thing.
Would have rather gotten a RA2 remaster of sorts or copy.
The music for 8-Bit Armies is so good, I'm really excited for 9-Bit's take on music and sound design
the multiple training buildings not training in multiple buildings, but decreasing training time is a C&C thing from what i remember. i do know red alert 2 was like that
I like that it has only a single tab for units and structures. Also the less micro with unit aiming. Pretty neat! Will definitely check this out.
Does the campaign have a real story with missions having voice acting, events, character interactions and basically everything that C&C more or less had from the beginning? I really missed that in the 8-Bit games. There was just a small wall of text before the start and the missions stayed mostly the same from beginning to end.
If I had to guess, it'll be more of the same. This is a cheap budget title. Tempest Rising is probably more of what you're looking for.
@@SeanUCFI hope that there will be at least a little more than that. It doesn't need much. Just some average voice actors and in engine cutsences or even some blocky prerendered stuff before the missions. I don't mind if the writing is cheesy. But since this clearly tries to catch the spirit of classic C&C it's just not the same for me without it.
@@Warenai
I agree. I never played the campaign for 8-bit armies b/c of that. There was no hook. I did play the skirmish quite a bit though until I realized how unbalanced it was with the two other 8-bit games that could be integrated with it.
Does the game have a skirmish mode where you can just pop in and do a round against AI?
Any team battles?
That was a thing in 8 Bit Armies.
Can't see why that wouldn't be a thing in 9 Bit ;-)
I want to like it, but I don't like how clumpy the units can get :(
I wish RTS games would move away from StarCraft 2 style ultra-mega clump armies.
I see someone didnt play in Red Alert and others CNCs, not remembering how you build units in good old days)
Westwood the best. Thanks for video, great RTS channel. 9bit army in collection, I hope it would be better online , then 8 bit army had.
Great overview, thanks! Really excited to try this one as a old-time C&C lover.
Hope they made an Invaders DLC, loved the Sci-fi factions
With Dune part 2 coming out in Cinemas why not review a game from the IP that help start the rts genre.
Like Emperor Battle For Dune?
You mean Dune 2, not your said loose/apocryphal prequel
I think it’s tough to get Emperor to work on modern systems
It is. I tried it not long ago.
what do you think about forged battalion also made by petroglyph and has this interesting mechanic to customize your army
I had a group of friends that would play 8-Bit Armies, we'd set up maps where 6 of us would go head to head and give each other 10 mins grace period before we all allied/attacked/formed enemies haha, was an absolute blast
The more of unit buildings -> less building time is a classic C&C feature as I remember, at least since RA2, pretty sure that had it, since then Yuri my Master! :D
All classic C&C games had this mechanic. Up to RA2YR as you mentioned. Until Generals changed it.
Thanks for the update, I was not sure about the classic had it or it was added later to the remaster!
The mega structures remind me of a mechanic from lego: loco of all things! Where certain buildings placed next to each other could combine to create brand new ones!
Also, a big worry i have is that any new interesting factions are thrown into full priced 'sequels' again
I'll put it on my wishlist; I simply don't buy Early Access games under any circumstances.
Also I hope they add the option for proper left click controls for this, that right click stuff ain't for me. I'm still quite disappointed that they never updated 8-Bit Armies like they said they would in the Steam forum. I couldn't get used to the controls and stopped playing.
So we've just witnessed the start of PG_Daves villian arc.
SO if I see correctly after 8 years we got the same but with naval units?
Will you review the recently released 1.0 version ?
I think I'm not Petroglyph's target demographic anymore. I just can't stand those comic graphics they adopted after Grey Goo.
Looks like Petroglyph's take on Red Alert 3
Good review. Thanks. Wishlisted. Will buy when more factions/units come into play. I'm still a sucker for C&C Generals ZH with mods like ShockWave👀
It looks pretty good. I had a lot of fun with the 8 bit games. I don't think I played the fantasy one. I'll wait til it leaves early access but will likely get it soon after.
Great review. This had gone under my radar but now I'm pretty hyped!
£20 for Frank Klepacki's new album with a free game is fine by me.
Bought the 9-bit as an impulse. Do enjoy it. Gave me Red Alert 2 vibes which tickles nostalgia.
Well done with the money predictions :D
The multi factory mechanic has been there since the early C&C games.
What i wished for this game to have is a voxel based destruction on the environment like holes on the ground from explosions
The question for Petroglyph is, they had a CnC Renegade spirit successor in the works, but they made Great War and now 9-bit, did they strike a deal with EA and are developing a fleshed out Renegade successor?
You just can't negotiate with EA! Anything it touches - it just destroys! xD
I wish that one faction were made up of 2D sprites and the other made of crude 3D models. It would have made the factions feel more different and you could have told a story about how half the population wanted to upgrade the world to polygons while the other half wanted to stay 2D.
The 2D army could play like classic Command and Conquer, while the 3D army plays like Total Annihilation.
I'm a few missions into the campaign and it gets PRETTY DAMN hard pretty damn quickly even on Easy Difficulty.
Excellent and detailed review! Thanks mate.
Damn, Frank Klepacki never misses. $20 price is right too.
I loved 9-bit armies and can't wait for this sequel
It was 8-bit
And the new one is 9-bit: A Bit too far (literally! xD)
I mean, the other factions from 8-bit are actually in the campaign. Hopefully they re-add them in 9-Bit properly (and make them a bit more unique)
For those wondering it launched at £16.75 (going to assume $20?) with 10% off so £15.01 or $18
I hated 8bit armies. It was a rush, unit spam and murder ball game, an RTS without the S part. I hope this plays more in line with C&C but by the footage it still looks like a spam fest with a lobotomized AI so hard pass.
It has NAVAL COMBAT? I'm sold. That's one of the reasons i love Supreme Commander to bits.
My only problem with the game is that i've never heard of it until now.
Looks interesting, thanks for the overview.
I enjoyed a lot playing 8bit with friends. Hope multiplayer is gonna be fun here as well.
Oh great another game to add to the list.
I personally did not like the demo. I prefer a slower paced combat that allows for movement and positioning. The game looks and runs great, but I am not the right consumer for this game.
Definitely would like more factions
I would probably love this if the factions weren't basically the same one
It is baffling. Also Beyond all Reason would rule the day *if* it had a grown up design and 3 asymmetrical factions.
I'm glad these software companies are still supporting the commodore 64 😮
I have really enjoyed this so far, just like I enjoyed 8-bit. I hope to see more from them.
They just released the command and conquer collection on steam.
I played 8-bit and had it refunded because i couldn't find anything special about it. It felt like Tibarian Dawn with different graphics and a lame campaign. I had hopes for 9-bit but this now looks like Red Alert 1 with different graphics. My favourite rts is Red Alert 2 but i guess I just keep playing that until someone decides to make a game that expands on the old gameplay. I don't see the sense in making cloned games, especially when they are made by the original developers. The music is great though.
Nice! Very good review!
I bought it yesterday, played it for an hour. And then realized its just like 8-Bit Armies but with less Content, so I refunded it…
Nuclear thone dailies before lecture.......memories unlocked!
Rocket Mega turret at designated positions. How ? It won’t do anything
Just bought the game, So much fun. Can`t wait for new content
i hope there is a version where there is mod that the graphics is not minecraft like...
sad to see that 30 years later rts games looks worse.
It very depends ;-)
Company of Heroes 2 looks good! Dawn of War II looks good! Total War: Warhammer 2 looks good!
@@igorthelight I think he meant that this game, released 30 years after C&C, looks worse than the original C&C. I agree, and I also find that quite sad. Why *that* ugly?!
@@JohnSilver-n7m Fair point!
FRANK KLEPACKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like you never played command and conquer you could only que units from One building in all the early command and conkers I'm pretty sure they changed it only in general
I love.... Tempest Rising
Its on sale for $18.88 so im thinking about getting it.
The feeling when 9-bit armies has way more soul, nicer graphic design and gameplay than StormBait from FrostGiant
This is probably the closest to RA3 as it gets so I'm going to try it out
look like a neat package
I'm unsure what to think about this game. I've played in a lot of RTS before, other C&C sequels and blizzard's entries for example. And I've played 8-bit armies\hordes\invaders. Based on my experience it felt like a cash grab. It was 8-bit version boiled down to stupidity clone of an another game. Very generic. The games themself were kinda good visually and in a technical side.
Currently I'm completing the C&C tiberium dawn campaign and I'm loving it. 8-bit and 9-bit army seems to be closest to that. You see, even the first oldest C&C (which was the simplest in the series) has more variety and fun elements than 8-bit armies. And judging on the surface level based on this video, it is still better than 9-bit army. Old C&C has interesting unit design, it has different projectiles and it's system is not boiled down to few rules. For example GDI grenadeer is good anti-infantry, as well as flamethrower for the nod. But flamethrower is more AoE suicidal unit, and grenadier is more ranged and microable. Their factions really diverse, with kinks everywhere. In 8-bit army there were two generic sides, as well in other 8-bit games. It was the choice like scout, tank, heavy tank, rocket launcher. Also when it does 90% of the first C&C and nothing more, no improvements - that's sad.
As of 9-bit army, I'll probably buy it, because I think there's not many RTS, and I want to try it in hope that they will change. I still think it is just a cash grab. I still can't see a variety or uniqueness, which in my opinion is the bread in butter of any game. They've added a lot more units. But they still look kinda similar to each other...
Petroglyph can do better, they've made Grey Goo almost 10 years ago, I think their last unique game.
9 but army is better than 8 bit. I think the factions are similar but different. You get super weapons and large fleets. The maps are much larger.
@@therealmcgoy4968 thanks, I will look at it
Wished they symmetrized/cleaned up their splash art page. They're making it obvious how much of it is generated by AI.
Well, looks like your finger was on the money, it's under $20 and has a 10% off introductory offer.
As a player of 8-Bit Armies, my biggest gripe was just the feeling of the units and their respective time to kill. They felt... Chunky, if that makes any sense? It didn't feel right but I also think I'm just so used to the hard counter rock paper scissors of the original Command and Conquers that anything that takes longer than 3 seconds to die against it's respective counter is a bit weird to me.
Man i follow plenty of RTS channels and i swear, i am so sick of early access. Every time i see a video on an interesting game, surprise, it's early access with no plans in sight for a proper launch.
Yes, i'm ranting for no reason, i'm old and grumpy.
Great video, thanks mate
If only they would have chosen a more conservative design
A poor red alert 2 clone after 20+ years gg
The game costs 20 bucks. Worth it.
I've bought a copy of Iron Harvest + expack for 8 bucks American on a Steam sale.
CrossFire: Legion for only 3, and its postlaunch support is sporadic, yet strong.
@@royasturias1784 and both of them havent launched at that price point you bought it.
Played 8-bit. Fun but simple game. Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. 👍👍
You forgot to mention universe at war
this game looks like advanced wars if it was an rts
It's priced at $9 where I live. Seems like a good bargain.
Id buy this for $40 at most
It's 20 ;-)
We need GENERALS 2
My son Jonathon Randle Maguire loves RTS games. But says he thinks Zade and his chanel are "not one of them real ones." And, "His channel tries hard."
hope for red alert 4
£15 on steam
Game is so cheap they didn't want to blow peoples minds up in bits by revealing it.
$20-70 USD if you ask me 🤔
What irritates me about this game is the fact that it is a senseless spamming and throwing of masses of units at the opponent. That's it. See who can produce the most units and keep on sending them without a pause. It is mindless and childish. There is no subtlety. No time to work out tactics or strategy. It doesn't matter. Just produce, produce and produce units and throw them at the opponent.
16 quid.
so command and conquer
Why is the game so much more ugly than the original C&C? :(
I guess I am still gonna try it, but pixel graphics do not have to be ugly!
Hell it's about time! Wait a minute ... wrong script! :D
BTW, it's cheap as sh*t!
Never liked the 8/9-bit series, a shame. They could have done so many other, better games.