I prefer inner pitch 1st and have only ever had this pitch of tent! It means you can move it about if you want to change the position too. Never had a problem with heavy rain while setting up but I also proof the inner as well. Love the colour and will look brilliant for night shots.
I am not into night photogrpy, but i like to pitch a tent in all kind of weather, i plan to lots of hiking after i get started and settled in to hiking and camping again. Gerard.
I have an low budget. thefore i have to keep things in porprtion withi my budget. the terra nova is within my price, so unless there is somethng better and as afordable, that can be pitched dry in torrenchril rain abd stying dry in the middle, pleaes let me know. Gerard.
A year ago i got my Hilleberg Soulo for 450 Euro (385 £) and it was only used for two nights and then the owner decided it was too heavy and sold it brand-new. I even got it with the sand color that i wanted. Since then I have used this tent everywhere here in Switzerland and last Winter in the Swiss Mountains and in the Snow where I live. I just recently used it for three weeks on Corsica. It is a dream, but I totally agree with you on the price. The MSR Access 2 looks like an amazing tent and I will definitely check this one out. Cheers
I've used inner-pitch-first tents for 40 years. Never once had an issue where my inner interior got soaked because it had to be pitched first. Sure, the inner can take a touch of rain as you toss it out flat on the ground prior to pole attachment, but nothing prevents you from quickly covering most of it with the fly while you connect poles and get them into the corners. Once poles are "up" pull the fly off the inner and drape loosely over the poles, reach under the fly while you bring up and attach the inner's clips. Viola.....dry inner during rain!! I own a couple of all-in-one pitch Hilleberg and fully appreciate the "perceived" advantages when the tent is small enough to pack solo but the thing I love most about the all-in-one idea is the very thing you can't enjoy with a heavier multi-person tent. It's pretty cool to throw my Atko down in one fell swoop and have ground cloth, inner, and fly all act as one piece. But with their bigger/heavier tents it becomes necessary to divvy up poles, ground cloth, and fly between hiking partners. This, for me, rather negates the benefits of an all-in-one pitch where ground cloth, inner, and fly all go up in a single effort. So pitching my larger Hilleberg ends up being rather like pitching my inner-first tents from a "process" standpoint: Get the ground cloth and poles from hiker #1 and get that staked down. In get fly from Hiker #2 and get that up. Then get inner from hiker 3 and crawl inside fly to attach inner. Re-stake for tautness and guy things out. Procedurally it just ends up feeling no less complicated than my inner-first tents...and maybe a touch worse. I might feel differently if I'd ever been caught out in a deluge so bad that it made me grateful for the ability to crawl under the fly to pitch the inner but, while I've been caught out in many many many rain showers, none have ever been quite that bad.
Very true and thanks for taking the time to make this post. I have never had an issue yet and don't understand why so many get all in a fuss about this type of tent. Thanks again and Atb.
Great video. I have this tent. I love how versatile it is. Get's lots of use in all kinds of conditions. You're so correct about the temperature stability inside. Results in fantastic quality sleeps in cold & windy temps.
Best review on the access 2 yet. Seriously considering this coming in to the winter for my adventures. Love the colour. Cheers for the review much appreciated! 🏕
I sill prefer all in 1 pitch, or a tent where you can pitch outer then add inner. Far to often than not the weather is wet and blowing a Gale. Same when striking camp, pack inner away whilst still inside, then you can pack everything else away before exiting and taking down outer.
Love this tent, I purchased the Elixir 1 for a Dartmoor trip and it stood up really well, over half the cost of this one and 1KG more but I love it, storage is excellent with the overhead bins. I will be saving my pennies to upgrade to this one. Great honest review thanks. Lee
@@Andrew-dp3jm No I’ve not filmed how to do it but it is quite easy even in poor weather. Start with the MSR footprint which has lugs for the poles to slot into. Once the poles are up throw over the fly as normal secure it as usual except the doors which dependent on weather I either leave or loosely peg down. Then you can open the tent and get out of the wet at this rage you can put your pack inside even or just sit in it until things clear up. Or you can get on with clipping in the inner from inside. It’s easy to do except the transverse pole that can be a fiddle but is still okay even in trying conditions. Then finish the doors and guy out. I practiced in the garden quite a lot before doing it on the hill. Hope this helps.
Nice to see you with another Access tent, seen so much good stuff about them, holding up against horrible weather. I like the tent, but I'm nervous about pitching an inner first. Did once, Vango arête , had to sell it on before I had a chance to use it. Always wondered how it would have faired, good to see new vid from you, much appreciated. Looks a solid shelter, look forward to seeing the photos when your out again ... ATB 👍
I’ve got an MSR hubba used it on the coast to coast last year great tent. Rained a couple of times and once had to mop the bathtub with my micro cloth took minutes. I kept the inner separate in a stuff sack and as you pointed out Ray works great. Love the look of the access 2 and the room I’m tempted atb Dave 😀👍
Tent looks fantastic ray. Great colour for winter. Look forward to seeing it in action and some of the photos you get of it. Great review and video as always ... ATB ... Craig
Brilliant! My go to tent. I have the slightly more stealthy green outer....cant wait to get out a bit further afield next month! Cheers Ray. All the best. Paul
Thanks for the video. Great tent and colour! I have the MSR Elixir & have used it for many summit camps. Let's hope we can all go out again soon. Cheers Ray!
Wow, that's bright 😎. Colour preference is a personal opinion of course... and yes. it will 'pop' against a dark night sky. Thanks for the overview. Buy it's footprint, most free standing tents use that (or webbing) to enable you to set the outer up first, then clip the inner up from inside sheltered from the rain. If it's stotting down when you put up a tent, it doesn't really matter which comes first, just as long as you when you're done, you can't feel it on your face when you finally crawl into your sleeping bag. It will all dry tomorrow...
Tarptent makes all their new DCF tents with "double zip" sipper pulls. My TT Notch Li has them but my older TT Moment DW and TT SCARP 2 do not have them. C'est la vie. In my long backpacking life (I'm in my 70s) I've owned 3 double wall tents that required me to set up the INNER TENT FIRST. Got it soaked a few times while setting up in the rain. THUS... now all my tents are Tarptents that set up with the inner then PRE-ATTACHED and the poles running through EXTERIOR sleeves on the fly. Now the inner tents stay dry while setting up in the rain.
Decent size Ray , I like the inner first to get my desired spot before nailing down . I can see where you are coming form in regards to the view from a photographers eye as bright colours really stand out in the snowy camps . I like to be out of sight tho lol atb Dave
Sound advice about the inner & outer. I’ve never actually thought of it that way even though it’s obvious. I think in the last few years tents have got more expense. Wondered if it’s because it’s becoming increasingly popular past time. The orange did bring a certain warmth to the inside. Very nice indeed. Cheers! Andy
The tent itself is very aesthetically pleasing! The jury is still out with me on Y connecting poles (tbh tho, I've even broken a straight pole out of clumsiness, but they're easily repaired on the go). The weight is great, but it is pricey, not Hillie pricey, but still... Wondering if spraying inner with water repellent affects the inner breathability and therefore the condensation? Interesting tent and review, atb Sinco
You've been Vango-ed. Sorry Ray, Tango-ed. Looks great. Always been an inner pitch first man for all the reasons you've given. Fingers crossed for another winter like the one we've all just missed. Grrrrr.
another good video and I understand your reasons for choosing the colour but this is the advice if camping on Dartmoor ( my local park) and surely it applies elsewhere. "Stay out of sight - backpackers should use very small and lightweight tents which easily blend into the landscape. Part of the enjoyment of experiencing the National Park is its unspoilt and vast landscapes, so it is important that other people’s enjoyment of Dartmoor is not impaired by tents dotting the view."
For 3 season camping I would agree with what you mention. However as I said in the video this was bought for photography reasons. But would add that it also comes in Green. My local haunts in winter is the middle of the Cairngorms or top of a mountain and to be honest staying out of sight aint an issue if you wanted to ;) Atb
Nice video, my current favourite tent is the Wechsel Exogen 1, which is also inner pitch first. I've found that condensation is another factor that means your inner is almost always going to get a bit damp with tents that pitch/ pack away all in one on multiday trips(unless you manage it routinely with a towel)
MSR Access 2 is very similar to European brand tent Zajo Litio 2 (2.3 Kg) and Zajo Litio 1 (1.7 Kg) - both with the included footprint - which I use for alpine bivouacs. (model 2017). Zajo is with 5000 mm floor and the price for 1 P was 100 € and 2 P was 160€. Very durable and can stand heavy rain and wind which is often in the Alps. The USA-made stuff is often too overpiced for what you get.
Given the cost of DCF and the minimum quantities manufacturers have to buy, I can understand why MLD said no. My own dream tent would be a Solomid XL with a Terra Nova Voyager-style double zip window/door. Solid wall inner sized to be taut with the tent pitched hem to ground. Colour: subdued, possibly camo. I used an inner first pitching Tadpole for 8 years. Also a Mountain Hardware tent. They saw an awful lot of use but there was only one occasion when I had to pitch one in heavy rain. Drizzle, on the other hand, many times and they just didn’t get all that wet by the time I had the tent pitched. Inner first pitching in the rain turned out to be no real trouble. I hope I haven’t just jinxed your next few pitches. BTW, I have a Duomid now and I’m sticking with it.
The Duomid? I also hate the long reach out to get to the zip. Being a bit dim I'd never thought of the double zip solution though! Brilliant idea. MLD should do this. I can't see that it would add more than a couple of grams to the weight or hardly anything to the cost, but would be a great improvement.
Hi Dave, I had contacted MLD twice about adding a double zip and they stated nobody wanted a double zip and he didn't see any benefit to doing it. So in other words he is not planning to do it at any point. Also asked about doing the tent in black ( actually the dark grey DCF fabric) and again he said nobody would want that. Finding with lots of tent manufacturers that they are stuck in there own ways and think no matter what that there design is best and doesn't need any improvements or upgrades. Atb
Light coat of Nikwax TX-Direct. (Nikwax TX.Direct® Spray-On has been specifically designed and optimised for breathable waterproof garments; it leaves a flexible water repellent treatment on individual fibres allowing moisture vapour to pass through, maintaining breathability.) Atb
For those that prefer outer pitch first....you CAN pitch msr tents outer first if you have the foot print, the elixir comes including the footprint, all others it's an optional extra.
Love the colour for the photographs but I'm still not convinced om a tent with separate pitching. My one and only tent I've ever had is Wild Country Zephros 2. Want a bright 4 season one for this next winter
Just got myself a access 2 mate (2021 version) with extra vents and better poles. Should deal with most of what I throw at it. Couldn't justify a hilleberg 😊
Scot, If you're looking for a gray DCF Mid, take a look at the Locus gear Khufu! I've been looking at buying one myself, all kinds of options regarding inners (they can make em half solid half mesh as well), color thereof, and the outer is gray DCF! It also seems ridiculously light for the size and it being double walled. Always really enjoy your content!
Don't mind what colour a tent is as long as it's a nice subdued green. That looks to be a damn fine tent sir! Normally I worry with US tents that they're made for 'thru-hikers' on trails through interminable forests, but that MSR model seems to have the wind covered to UK specs! Might look at one to replace my ageing TN Voyager.
Let me know if you are up for cape wrath again I missed 2 sections last year but one was near the end I was thinking about starting at glenfinnan as the first section is nice but very long first day but I’d be up for it again if I could get fit again and new boots . Id stay out of shot ! I’d like to go back this year but I need to start training again anyway great vid I swear by my msr hubba hubba nx2 but it’s not a mountain or winter tent but perfect for the long trails . This time I want to take a proper camera but I’d need to figure out some way of charging it.
I like a tent that you can pitch the fly first, and keep the inner second. and freestanding, and thats why i maybe going for the southern cross 2. and still light enough for an solo hiker. Gerard.
Many seem to prefer this and never understood why. In all my trips and multi day hikes have never had an issue with inner first even in the wildest Scottish weather. The benefit of multi setup is that you can pack the tent easier in a rucksack with separate parts. You can also put flysheet on its own on in the outer mesh section to dry whilst walking if needed. Note that many also like an all in one pitch but find if you roll it all up together the next day after rain the inner gets soaked as you compress it all together. As for the Southern Cross which i owned a long time ago I found it to be one of the worst tents I have ever owned, but just my own opinion ;) Atb
I can't tell if you have the "2022" model, which uses Easton Syclone poles, which are a type of composite that is lighter, and more flexible than MSR used in the Access, Hubba Hubba and others previously. I mention this because some people complained about the older poles breaking, but the Syclone poles are extraordinarily flexible and almost impossible to break.
Great Video Ray, I have had my 4 season tent for years, brought it in 1996 made by Woods! in Canada, i have looked after it re-sprayed it, the design is just like the 4 season tents we seen know, but the weight is 7 half pounds!!! So this is on my list to upgrade, few questions one how is it for condensation? can not see any venting on the tent? want is the weight? how many pegs do you need to carry mine is 14! Like the idea of the bug-cord on the ends and never thought about spraying the innner which will help when trying to get it up in a snow or rain storm want kind of spray did you use Well that's it got me Googling the MSR Access 2 and lets not for gt the after service i have been talking to them for years great people getting gear replaced fixed that helps a lot for me. Great work Ray looking forward to your new tents reviews,From Dave Labrador Canada.
Light coat of Nikwax TX-Direct. (Nikwax TX.Direct® Spray-On has been specifically designed and optimised for breathable waterproof garments; it leaves a flexible water repellent treatment on individual fibres allowing moisture vapour to pass through, maintaining breathability.) Not much issue with condensation and if any it is on tent flysheet and not inner. However in deep winter moisture freezes so you get areas of ice on inner flysheet. Atb
The bright orange is an emergency colour. If ur in snow and there is an avalanche or u set off the personal locator beacon, you can see the orange colour from the air and land. This is ome of the reasons why MSR has used the orange colour
cracking tent! shame u sold the duomid, but know what you meant bout it, I hate its single zip as well, I mean how hard would a double zip be, but ho hum. hope you well in these mad times, Im counting down the days til i can camp again...ATB WJ
I would love to see a comparison of all the tents you have used and why you changed from them. The Roben's tent in particular, was it weight? I have a Robens and love it.
Sadly I do not have a massive budget like most folks. So I have to sell one to get another depending on what I was wanting it for. Also nice to try out other things. the Robens is a great tent but a bit too heavy for me. When I say that remember I am also carrying several Kg of photo / video gear and this is often why I try to cut weight down on the camping side. If I didn't have all that extra weight then the slightly heavier tent wouldn't bother me. Atb
I'm not sure of it's wind resistance considering how much the poles bend, along with the large side panel which bows in a lot. Also the worry about spin drift under the fly by the vestibules
Hi there Ray. Do you still use your Access 2 much? I am really wanting to get hold of the original footprint as opposed to the universal, so I can pitch outer first. Cheers.
Nice tent, always liked the look of the Hubba HP but never actually bought one, preferring to stick with my Phoenix Phreeranger. Agree with what you said about pitching inner & fly together, said exactly the same on an instagram post 2 weeks ago, pack away even with just condensation on the inside of the fly and the inner is soaked when you go to pitch it again. I prefer fly 1st though as you can get under the fly, sort your wet gear and even cook before thinking about hanging the inner but the inner tent does usually hang looser. We have a Quasar and have managed to pitch it in a downpour with the fly draped over everything while we got the inner pitched. Do MSR do a footprint for the Access that allows you to pitch the fly 1st? they used to do one for the Hubba HP.
Think you can with the footprint and need to look into it more. Myself I have never used a footprint. Dont see the point in having a lightweight tent to bump up the weight with more material to carry, unless it is more something like a piece of polycro Atb
@@RS.Outdoors I certainly take your point re. the extra weight, when you've managed to get the weight down you soon reach a point where reducing it by even 100g starts to get insanely expensive, adding 200g + by carrying a footprint doesn't on the face of it make a lot of sense although in my case at least I couldn't in reality feel a 200g difference in pack weight. I carried a footprint out of necessity, a 20+ year old tent (30+ now) with a leaking groundsheet meant I had little choice. It's always a compromise with gear, there are always lighter options and often we choose a heavier option because it offers a benefit, perceived or real while others may make their compromises elsewhere.
@@RS.Outdoors Your feet suffered badly during the last one and I thought you would be doing different trails post lockdown. Aye prices are going crazy at the moment.
Personally , I much prefer inner and outer pitch together . By the time you took to get that tent .....when the skies open up ...inner would have been soaked . Think the Scarp 1 is so much better in every way.
Yeh, each has there own idea on inner or both at once. Would disagree on one thing though as I have tried the Scatp snd also seen it in action first hand and and side by side in bad weather and is nowhere as good as the Access in.my opinion.
Love the look of this tent (but not the price! ha) but I have a question. when you said you attached new guy lines, did you also sew on new loops to attach the guy lines or are they already on there? Nice video, that old vehicle is amazing! Many thanks.
Dear Rs outdoors, could you explain please how to install and tighten those long 4 straps which are for additional stability. I have on them red metal peace of metal which look like banana and i dont understand how to use it. Br.
Good informative video. Does the Access 2 have a footprint so you can pitch outer first, extra weight but very handy in the wet? On my winter tent if the outer is wet then I’d unclip the inner and pack away inside my bag and wet outer is on the outside of my bag.
Not sure, but possibly could be done. Have seen people use velcro straps and placed there trekking poles at an angle to brace the vestibule doors. Push trekking pole tip into ground and then velcro handle at top to the middle arch pole. Atb
Great video. Looking at getting my first backpacking tent with a budget of up to £200. Is the ELIXIR 1 a good bet for some munro and corbett camps between april and october ? Was also looking at the robens starlight 2 but want to keep the wait down to around 2kg
Not sure on the Elixer 1 and would maybe save up little bit more and go for the MSR Hubba NX as it is good chunk lighter. There is also the TREK 900 ULTRALIGHT 2 PERSON tent from Decathlon which is 1.75kg and only £179.99 when back in stock. Great tent and 12 month return warranty for any reason. So try it out and if you don't like it you can say it was leaking and get full refund ;) Would check out Andrew Parks YT channel as he has reviewed most tents out there. Note I have a couple of tents coming soon to try out that may also fit the bill ;)
Nice vid Ray, I understand your reasons but I'm sticking with the duomid in the A frame twin walking poles mod 🙂 did you ever do a review on the shakedry jkt?
Duomid a great bit of kit. As for the jacket I haven't needed to wear it since the Cape Wrath. Will be taking it again though for the re-run of that adventure hopefully starting soon. Atb
I don't have a Scarp One as that was my friends, Scotlands Mountain's. He was with me and I had been photographing it. Have tried one I the past though and to be honest I really didn't like it. Atb
Hi, I have the same tent in green and have had the one end of the tent collapsing in 30 to 40 mph winds, have I pitched it incorrectly or is poorly designed for windy weather ? I also have two more msr tents and i do love them.
Not sure how you had it pitched but I have never had an issue yet, touch wood. Also in my other stormy camp video that was the MSR Access 1 and took a hell of a battering and winds were above 40mph. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors i have used all off the guy lines and even the extras ones, it could be me but the wind can change direction at anytime when your asleep, I had the msr 1 tent and found it to be a great tent just a little to small.
The inner tent is about 90% solid fabric with just a couple of small mesh traingles for ventilation. This keeps the draughts out and so makes the inside warmer in cold weather. It also has an extra cross over pole that goes around middle of the tent. Also has an extra 4off guyline points but MSR dont provide the guylines for them.
@@RS.Outdoors Ah thanks for getting back to me.. I bought the Hubba Hubba but haven’t had the opportunity to get out on a proper camp in it yet. Kinda thinking I should have bought the access 2 now instead. Although I have my trusted mirage 200 pro for the winter so will just keep that for now. Thanks again.
i have read in a review that the seams of the floor are not taped. 1. Is that true? Isn t that a problem for water proofness? 2. If yes, does that mean that the tent is not good in rainy conditions but more for snow? :(
Hi there.i love following your videos and advice and gear reviews.but sometimes I wonder if ff it's worth actually taking that much notice.i get it it that your well into your photography but the way you bigged up the mld tent then just say it's not for me ?.then say this new 4 season tent is for me.then tell us how good it is then say you know what it's....were better off just following are own judgements really.as for your camping videos.i love them,cheers!!
Just found your comment hidden away in the system. Take what you want from my videos at the end of the day. As for the MLD tent which I will say again is that it is a fantastic tent. However I do not like the dcf colour it is currently manufactured in and the fact I would like a two way zip. When it comes to buying tents I do not have endless amounts of money and can only have one or two tents max at a time. It is often the case I have to sell one to buy another. I bought the MLD for doing the Cape Wrath Trail and hoped it would be good enough for some photography. The main reason I go out into the hills and mountains is for photography, hence winning several national awards. So I had to sell the MLD to buy the MSR in orange was going to be the tent I used had we got out this winter. It is a pain you need to add things to tents such as the MSr but no tent is perfect and all have a niggle or flaw of some description. Have been saving up for a new tent to duse on the Cape Wrath this year which I have wanted to try for years and just arrived. Even this and it's eye watering price I feel needs to be tweaked to get the best out of it. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Have you ever thought of branching out mate, you know slow cookers, hedge trimmers and general household appliances if you got Murray on board between the two of you, you could be endorsing all sorts of stuff. I could act as your agent for a small fee.
I prefer inner pitch 1st and have only ever had this pitch of tent! It means you can move it about if you want to change the position too. Never had a problem with heavy rain while setting up but I also proof the inner as well. Love the colour and will look brilliant for night shots.
I used inner first for years and never had a problem, quasars are great tents
I am not into night photogrpy, but i like to pitch a tent in all kind of weather, i plan to lots of hiking after i get started and settled in to hiking and camping again.
Gerard.
I have an low budget. thefore i have to keep things in porprtion withi my budget. the terra nova is within my price, so unless there is somethng better and as afordable, that can be pitched dry in torrenchril rain abd stying dry in the middle, pleaes let me know.
Gerard.
A year ago i got my Hilleberg Soulo for 450 Euro (385 £) and it was only used for two nights and then the owner decided it was too heavy and sold it brand-new.
I even got it with the sand color that i wanted.
Since then I have used this tent everywhere here in Switzerland and last Winter in the Swiss Mountains and in the Snow where I live. I just recently used it for three weeks on Corsica.
It is a dream, but I totally agree with you on the price.
The MSR Access 2 looks like an amazing tent and I will definitely check this one out.
Cheers
I've used inner-pitch-first tents for 40 years. Never once had an issue where my inner interior got soaked because it had to be pitched first. Sure, the inner can take a touch of rain as you toss it out flat on the ground prior to pole attachment, but nothing prevents you from quickly covering most of it with the fly while you connect poles and get them into the corners. Once poles are "up" pull the fly off the inner and drape loosely over the poles, reach under the fly while you bring up and attach the inner's clips. Viola.....dry inner during rain!!
I own a couple of all-in-one pitch Hilleberg and fully appreciate the "perceived" advantages when the tent is small enough to pack solo but the thing I love most about the all-in-one idea is the very thing you can't enjoy with a heavier multi-person tent. It's pretty cool to throw my Atko down in one fell swoop and have ground cloth, inner, and fly all act as one piece. But with their bigger/heavier tents it becomes necessary to divvy up poles, ground cloth, and fly between hiking partners. This, for me, rather negates the benefits of an all-in-one pitch where ground cloth, inner, and fly all go up in a single effort. So pitching my larger Hilleberg ends up being rather like pitching my inner-first tents from a "process" standpoint: Get the ground cloth and poles from hiker #1 and get that staked down. In get fly from Hiker #2 and get that up. Then get inner from hiker 3 and crawl inside fly to attach inner. Re-stake for tautness and guy things out. Procedurally it just ends up feeling no less complicated than my inner-first tents...and maybe a touch worse.
I might feel differently if I'd ever been caught out in a deluge so bad that it made me grateful for the ability to crawl under the fly to pitch the inner but, while I've been caught out in many many many rain showers, none have ever been quite that bad.
Very true and thanks for taking the time to make this post. I have never had an issue yet and don't understand why so many get all in a fuss about this type of tent. Thanks again and Atb.
Great video. I have this tent. I love how versatile it is. Get's lots of use in all kinds of conditions. You're so correct about the temperature stability inside. Results in fantastic quality sleeps in cold & windy temps.
Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching, Atb.
Best review on the access 2 yet. Seriously considering this coming in to the winter for my adventures. Love the colour. Cheers for the review much appreciated! 🏕
I sill prefer all in 1 pitch, or a tent where you can pitch outer then add inner. Far to often than not the weather is wet and blowing a Gale. Same when striking camp, pack inner away whilst still inside, then you can pack everything else away before exiting and taking down outer.
Love this tent, I purchased the Elixir 1 for a Dartmoor trip and it stood up really well, over half the cost of this one and 1KG more but I love it, storage is excellent with the overhead bins. I will be saving my pennies to upgrade to this one. Great honest review thanks. Lee
Thanks for the tent review, and welcome back, we’ve missed you. Hope you are well and keeping fit.
If you buy the optional MSR footprint you can pitch outer first no problem and the resulting pitch is rock solid.
do you have a video for this? i have the access 3 and love the tent but would really like to know how this is done
@@Andrew-dp3jm No I’ve not filmed how to do it but it is quite easy even in poor weather. Start with the MSR footprint which has lugs for the poles to slot into. Once the poles are up throw over the fly as normal secure it as usual except the doors which dependent on weather I either leave or loosely peg down. Then you can open the tent and get out of the wet at this rage you can put your pack inside even or just sit in it until things clear up. Or you can get on with clipping in the inner from inside. It’s easy to do except the transverse pole that can be a fiddle but is still okay even in trying conditions. Then finish the doors and guy out. I practiced in the garden quite a lot before doing it on the hill. Hope this helps.
spot on mate thanks for the instructions have screenshotted and will give it a bash next time im out ! cheers again
Nice to see you with another Access tent, seen so much good stuff about them, holding up against horrible weather. I like the tent, but I'm nervous about pitching an inner first. Did once, Vango arête , had to sell it on before I had a chance to use it. Always wondered how it would have faired, good to see new vid from you, much appreciated. Looks a solid shelter, look forward to seeing the photos when your out again ...
ATB 👍
Thanks for the review of this tent. Much appreciated. Great channel. All the best dai 👍🏴
Can't fault that one Ray. You're back and happy on the hills. All the best. Mark
Thanks Mark. All back out soon I hope snd look forward to your big trip. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Yeah, watch out isn't it Ray. Ha ha! Me to mate - I'm looking forward to the LDW and others. Peace dude.
I’ve got an MSR hubba used it on the coast to coast last year great tent. Rained a couple of times and once had to mop the bathtub with my micro cloth took minutes. I kept the inner separate in a stuff sack and as you pointed out Ray works great. Love the look of the access 2 and the room I’m tempted atb Dave 😀👍
Tent looks fantastic ray. Great colour for winter. Look forward to seeing it in action and some of the photos you get of it. Great review and video as always ... ATB ... Craig
I have the Lanshan 2 and a big advantage is you can separate and pack the inner away and then drop the outer if it’s wet! 🤷♂️
Brilliant! My go to tent. I have the slightly more stealthy green outer....cant wait to get out a bit further afield next month! Cheers Ray. All the best. Paul
Convincing argument Ray. Looking forward already to your next mystery tents and next winter with the access 2 .
Thanks for the video. Great tent and colour! I have the MSR Elixir & have used it for many summit camps. Let's hope we can all go out again soon. Cheers Ray!
You bet! Atb
Wow, that's bright 😎. Colour preference is a personal opinion of course... and yes. it will 'pop' against a dark night sky. Thanks for the overview. Buy it's footprint, most free standing tents use that (or webbing) to enable you to set the outer up first, then clip the inner up from inside sheltered from the rain. If it's stotting down when you put up a tent, it doesn't really matter which comes first, just as long as you when you're done, you can't feel it on your face when you finally crawl into your sleeping bag. It will all dry tomorrow...
Great to see you back, will watch the video later. Stay safe 👍🏻
Nice review! Thanks for sharing! Happy camping ⛺️ 🙌🏻🏴⛰️
Thanks for watching mate. Atb
Excellent review as normal. Good to see you back out, Ray.
Ace, totally agree with inner first pitch, take down is way less of a pain in the arse. All in one is fine for the one and done guys. 😊
Unless you need to pitch / strike in serious rain
@@jenyates3033 doesn’t really make much of a difference. On true multi day, seriously wet and torrentially rainy trips, inner first is a real positive
Tarptent makes all their new DCF tents with "double zip" sipper pulls. My TT Notch Li has them but my older TT Moment DW and TT SCARP 2 do not have them. C'est la vie.
In my long backpacking life (I'm in my 70s) I've owned 3 double wall tents that required me to set up the INNER TENT FIRST. Got it soaked a few times while setting up in the rain.
THUS... now all my tents are Tarptents that set up with the inner then PRE-ATTACHED and the poles running through EXTERIOR sleeves on the fly. Now the inner tents stay dry while setting up in the rain.
Yeh, great stuff Eric. Atb
Decent size Ray , I like the inner first to get my desired spot before nailing down . I can see where you are coming form in regards to the view from a photographers eye as bright colours really stand out in the snowy camps . I like to be out of sight tho lol atb Dave
That looks like a great tent Ray. I have an MSR Elixir2 that I use for motorcycle camping. Very well made in my opinion
Hi there buddy. Hope you are keeping well mate in these wild times. Atb
Great stuff ray. Hopefully out soon mate ⛺️👍
Great video Ray and I'm with you on it , one of my top ten. We should get a few vloggers together for a group camp asap after the 26th April !
Hi there another great video. Any chance you can tell me where abouts you were this time?
Great video, beautiful tent ⛺️
Great review - thank you. Looking forward to the other tent reviews 🤗 stay safe!
Sound advice about the inner & outer. I’ve never actually thought of it that way even though it’s obvious. I think in the last few years tents have got more expense. Wondered if it’s because it’s becoming increasingly popular past time. The orange did bring a certain warmth to the inside. Very nice indeed. Cheers! Andy
Great statement that. Think my views have changed now on the inner and outer separation. I own the cloud peak 2 😬
The tent itself is very aesthetically pleasing! The jury is still out with me on Y connecting poles (tbh tho, I've even broken a straight pole out of clumsiness, but they're easily repaired on the go). The weight is great, but it is pricey, not Hillie pricey, but still... Wondering if spraying inner with water repellent affects the inner breathability and therefore the condensation? Interesting tent and review, atb Sinco
You've been Vango-ed. Sorry Ray, Tango-ed. Looks great. Always been an inner pitch first man for all the reasons you've given. Fingers crossed for another winter like the one we've all just missed. Grrrrr.
Nice tent sure you will have plenty of adventures in it this summer when lock down eases
Atb 👍🏽
Yeh, hope so. Atb
Thank you for a brilliant review always enjoy your uploads many thanks stay safe
Fire truck awsome tent mate 👌
another good video and I understand your reasons for choosing the colour but this is the advice if camping on Dartmoor ( my local park) and surely it applies elsewhere. "Stay out of sight - backpackers should use very small and lightweight tents which easily blend into the landscape. Part of the enjoyment of experiencing the National Park is its unspoilt and vast landscapes, so it is important that other people’s enjoyment of Dartmoor is not impaired by tents dotting the view."
For 3 season camping I would agree with what you mention. However as I said in the video this was bought for photography reasons. But would add that it also comes in Green. My local haunts in winter is the middle of the Cairngorms or top of a mountain and to be honest staying out of sight aint an issue if you wanted to ;) Atb
Nice video, my current favourite tent is the Wechsel Exogen 1, which is also inner pitch first. I've found that condensation is another factor that means your inner is almost always going to get a bit damp with tents that pitch/ pack away all in one on multiday trips(unless you manage it routinely with a towel)
MSR Access 2 is very similar to European brand tent Zajo Litio 2 (2.3 Kg) and Zajo Litio 1 (1.7 Kg) - both with the included footprint - which I use for alpine bivouacs. (model 2017). Zajo is with 5000 mm floor and the price for 1 P was 100 € and 2 P was 160€. Very durable and can stand heavy rain and wind which is often in the Alps. The USA-made stuff is often too overpiced for what you get.
Looks a great tent👍🏕
Nice tent old chap👍
Given the cost of DCF and the minimum quantities manufacturers have to buy, I can understand why MLD said no. My own dream tent would be a Solomid XL with a Terra Nova Voyager-style double zip window/door. Solid wall inner sized to be taut with the tent pitched hem to ground. Colour: subdued, possibly camo.
I used an inner first pitching Tadpole for 8 years. Also a Mountain Hardware tent. They saw an awful lot of use but there was only one occasion when I had to pitch one in heavy rain. Drizzle, on the other hand, many times and they just didn’t get all that wet by the time I had the tent pitched. Inner first pitching in the rain turned out to be no real trouble. I hope I haven’t just jinxed your next few pitches.
BTW, I have a Duomid now and I’m sticking with it.
The Duomid? I also hate the long reach out to get to the zip. Being a bit dim I'd never thought of the double zip solution though! Brilliant idea. MLD should do this. I can't see that it would add more than a couple of grams to the weight or hardly anything to the cost, but would be a great improvement.
Hi Dave, I had contacted MLD twice about adding a double zip and they stated nobody wanted a double zip and he didn't see any benefit to doing it. So in other words he is not planning to do it at any point. Also asked about doing the tent in black ( actually the dark grey DCF fabric) and again he said nobody would want that. Finding with lots of tent manufacturers that they are stuck in there own ways and think no matter what that there design is best and doesn't need any improvements or upgrades. Atb
Nice tent and great review 👍👍👍
Thanks! 👍
Nice one Ray - love the colour of the new tent - looks a great piece of kit
M
PS that could be someone’s campervan at the start 😂
Great video Ray. Also missing your videos Murray, hope you will be back soon
Great review mate. Think you've convinced me to get one!! 👍
Very informative, thanks, Ray. 👍🙂🏴
Great video and review. Was interested in how you waterproofed your inner tent and what you used.
Cheers
Light coat of Nikwax TX-Direct. (Nikwax TX.Direct® Spray-On has been specifically designed and optimised for breathable waterproof garments; it leaves a flexible water repellent treatment on individual fibres allowing moisture vapour to pass through, maintaining breathability.) Atb
Thanks Ray. Happy camping when we can get out 👍
For those that prefer outer pitch first....you CAN pitch msr tents outer first if you have the foot print, the elixir comes including the footprint, all others it's an optional extra.
Just found that out recently myself. Thanks for sharing with everyone. Atb
Love the colour for the photographs but I'm still not convinced om a tent with separate pitching.
My one and only tent I've ever had is Wild Country Zephros 2.
Want a bright 4 season one for this next winter
Just got myself a access 2 mate (2021 version) with extra vents and better poles. Should deal with most of what I throw at it. Couldn't justify a hilleberg 😊
Hi , same here - tried it out yet ?
I think i'm just a very fortunate person for getting the 1 with sealed seams for 300€ only... Second hand is KING
Sure is. Atb
Scot, If you're looking for a gray DCF Mid, take a look at the Locus gear Khufu! I've been looking at buying one myself, all kinds of options regarding inners (they can make em half solid half mesh as well), color thereof, and the outer is gray DCF! It also seems ridiculously light for the size and it being double walled.
Always really enjoy your content!
I have, it is just the issue with the waiting time at moment and also import cost / tax that keeps putting me off. Atb
Don't mind what colour a tent is as long as it's a nice subdued green.
That looks to be a damn fine tent sir! Normally I worry with US tents that they're made for 'thru-hikers' on trails through interminable forests, but that MSR model seems to have the wind covered to UK specs! Might look at one to replace my ageing TN Voyager.
Let me know if you are up for cape wrath again I missed 2 sections last year but one was near the end I was thinking about starting at glenfinnan as the first section is nice but very long first day but I’d be up for it again if I could get fit again and new boots . Id stay out of shot ! I’d like to go back this year but I need to start training again anyway great vid I swear by my msr hubba hubba nx2 but it’s not a mountain or winter tent but perfect for the long trails . This time I want to take a proper camera but I’d need to figure out some way of charging it.
Awesome video dude
I like a tent that you can pitch the fly first, and keep the inner second. and freestanding, and thats why i maybe going for the southern cross 2. and still light enough for an solo hiker.
Gerard.
Many seem to prefer this and never understood why. In all my trips and multi day hikes have never had an issue with inner first even in the wildest Scottish weather. The benefit of multi setup is that you can pack the tent easier in a rucksack with separate parts. You can also put flysheet on its own on in the outer mesh section to dry whilst walking if needed. Note that many also like an all in one pitch but find if you roll it all up together the next day after rain the inner gets soaked as you compress it all together. As for the Southern Cross which i owned a long time ago I found it to be one of the worst tents I have ever owned, but just my own opinion ;) Atb
I can't tell if you have the "2022" model, which uses Easton Syclone poles, which are a type of composite that is lighter, and more flexible than MSR used in the Access, Hubba Hubba and others previously. I mention this because some people complained about the older poles breaking, but the Syclone poles are extraordinarily flexible and almost impossible to break.
This was the older model. Will say I have had several of them and not had any issues with the poles as others have mentioned. Atb
Great Video Ray, I have had my 4 season tent for years, brought it in 1996 made by Woods! in Canada, i have looked after it re-sprayed it, the design is just like the 4 season tents we seen know, but the weight is 7 half pounds!!! So this is on my list to upgrade, few questions one how is it for condensation? can not see any venting on the tent? want is the weight? how many pegs do you need to carry mine is 14! Like the idea of the bug-cord on the ends and never thought about spraying the innner which will help when trying to get it up in a snow or rain storm want kind of spray did you use Well that's it got me Googling the MSR Access 2 and lets not for gt the after service i have been talking to them for years great people getting gear replaced fixed that helps a lot for me. Great work Ray looking forward to your new tents reviews,From Dave Labrador Canada.
Light coat of Nikwax TX-Direct. (Nikwax TX.Direct® Spray-On has been specifically designed and optimised for breathable waterproof garments; it leaves a flexible water repellent treatment on individual fibres allowing moisture vapour to pass through, maintaining breathability.) Not much issue with condensation and if any it is on tent flysheet and not inner. However in deep winter moisture freezes so you get areas of ice on inner flysheet. Atb
The bright orange is an emergency colour. If ur in snow and there is an avalanche or u set off the personal locator beacon, you can see the orange colour from the air and land. This is ome of the reasons why MSR has used the orange colour
Just got my new MSR Access 2cTent and looking forward to getting out with it, do you have a link to where you got the DCF guylines from? Thanks Scott
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07JMZRKB9/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1
Swicth to mini clamp cleats for 2mm line. www.cleats.co.uk/cl266-mini-line-lokr-for-1-3mm-lines.html
cracking tent! shame u sold the duomid, but know what you meant bout it, I hate its single zip as well, I mean how hard would a double zip be, but ho hum. hope you well in these mad times, Im counting down the days til i can camp again...ATB WJ
When my ship comes in, definitely getting one. Might need to be quite a big ship though.
Your boat is the Titanic 🤣👍
@@caitgems1 going to need a winter tent for that iceberg!
@@KirstenBayes well my boats already set sail up a certain creek, so I'll be sticking with my Vango 😁
@@caitgems1 the paddle you need is helping keep up my Lanshan 2 🤣
I would love to see a comparison of all the tents you have used and why you changed from them. The Roben's tent in particular, was it weight? I have a Robens and love it.
Sadly I do not have a massive budget like most folks. So I have to sell one to get another depending on what I was wanting it for. Also nice to try out other things. the Robens is a great tent but a bit too heavy for me. When I say that remember I am also carrying several Kg of photo / video gear and this is often why I try to cut weight down on the camping side. If I didn't have all that extra weight then the slightly heavier tent wouldn't bother me. Atb
Great video! But my questions is not tent-related - what place is that in 12:30?
Stob Beinn a' Chrulaiste in Glencoe. Atb
Looks great - where did you pick this up? Seems to be a shortage in the UK currently.
Did buy this a little while back to use over winter just passed. However due to lockdown this never happened. Atb
Enjoyed. If this is your winter tent, and you’ve ditched the duomid, what you using for summer?
I'm not sure of it's wind resistance considering how much the poles bend, along with the large side panel which bows in a lot. Also the worry about spin drift under the fly by the vestibules
Hi there Ray. Do you still use your Access 2 much? I am really wanting to get hold of the original footprint as opposed to the universal, so I can pitch outer first. Cheers.
Nice tent, always liked the look of the Hubba HP but never actually bought one, preferring to stick with my Phoenix Phreeranger. Agree with what you said about pitching inner & fly together, said exactly the same on an instagram post 2 weeks ago, pack away even with just condensation on the inside of the fly and the inner is soaked when you go to pitch it again. I prefer fly 1st though as you can get under the fly, sort your wet gear and even cook before thinking about hanging the inner but the inner tent does usually hang looser. We have a Quasar and have managed to pitch it in a downpour with the fly draped over everything while we got the inner pitched. Do MSR do a footprint for the Access that allows you to pitch the fly 1st? they used to do one for the Hubba HP.
Think you can with the footprint and need to look into it more. Myself I have never used a footprint. Dont see the point in having a lightweight tent to bump up the weight with more material to carry, unless it is more something like a piece of polycro Atb
@@RS.Outdoors I certainly take your point re. the extra weight, when you've managed to get the weight down you soon reach a point where reducing it by even 100g starts to get insanely expensive, adding 200g + by carrying a footprint doesn't on the face of it make a lot of sense although in my case at least I couldn't in reality feel a 200g difference in pack weight. I carried a footprint out of necessity, a 20+ year old tent (30+ now) with a leaking groundsheet meant I had little choice. It's always a compromise with gear, there are always lighter options and often we choose a heavier option because it offers a benefit, perceived or real while others may make their compromises elsewhere.
Brilliant!!
Cheers Alan. Atb
The colour of the tent wasn't the shocker Ray but you doing the Cape Wrath Trail again! Excellent review but tent is at shocking price. ATB.
Why are you shocked about the CWT? The price of all outdoor, wild camping gear has really just rocketed over the last year or two. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors Your feet suffered badly during the last one and I thought you would be doing different trails post lockdown. Aye prices are going crazy at the moment.
Fantastic review, got me thinking...never have enough tents.
Can you take down the tent from inside first??
Not in standard form. But as others have mentioned looks like you can get MSR groundsheet that will let you do that. Atb
Personally , I much prefer inner and outer pitch together . By the time you took to get that tent .....when the skies open up ...inner would have been soaked . Think the Scarp 1 is so much better in every way.
Yeh, each has there own idea on inner or both at once. Would disagree on one thing though as I have tried the Scatp snd also seen it in action first hand and and side by side in bad weather and is nowhere as good as the Access in.my opinion.
Love the look of this tent (but not the price! ha) but I have a question. when you said you attached new guy lines, did you also sew on new loops to attach the guy lines or are they already on there? Nice video, that old vehicle is amazing! Many thanks.
Hi and thanks for watching. The loops are already there, just MSR doesn't provide the extra gylines. They are a bit stingy that way. Atb
That should blend in nicely in the mountains, they can probably see that from the international space station!
Sure will and the whole point is not to blend in during winter. Atb
Aye and in the land of the free and remote you can be slightly less worried about offending the hordes. Its just you and Murray for 10 miles.
Dear Rs outdoors,
could you explain please how to install and tighten those long 4 straps which are for additional stability.
I have on them red metal peace of metal which look like banana and i dont understand how to use it.
Br.
Not sure what straps you are on about to be honest, sorry.
Good informative video. Does the Access 2 have a footprint so you can pitch outer first, extra weight but very handy in the wet? On my winter tent if the outer is wet then I’d unclip the inner and pack away inside my bag and wet outer is on the outside of my bag.
You can get a footprint for it but not sure if it allows outer first. Will add that I never use a footprint and havent with any of my tents. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors I have an MSR Elixir 2 as a summer tent and I can pitch outer first with foot print.
Great tent review Ray. Do you think that the fly sheet is tourter on a flysheet last than a all in one put up. Hope that sounds right lol. 👍
Possibly, but the inner on this is a lot better than most as it doesn't sag due to setup method. Atb
Hi , any ide on how to DYI fitting velcro to attach rainfly to the poles - I think that will encrease the stabilety in high winds .
Not sure, but possibly could be done. Have seen people use velcro straps and placed there trekking poles at an angle to brace the vestibule doors. Push trekking pole tip into ground and then velcro handle at top to the middle arch pole. Atb
Great video. Looking at getting my first backpacking tent with a budget of up to £200. Is the ELIXIR 1 a good bet for some munro and corbett camps between april and october ? Was also looking at the robens starlight 2 but want to keep the wait down to around 2kg
Not sure on the Elixer 1 and would maybe save up little bit more and go for the MSR Hubba NX as it is good chunk lighter. There is also the TREK 900 ULTRALIGHT 2 PERSON tent from Decathlon which is 1.75kg and only £179.99 when back in stock. Great tent and 12 month return warranty for any reason. So try it out and if you don't like it you can say it was leaking and get full refund ;) Would check out Andrew Parks YT channel as he has reviewed most tents out there. Note I have a couple of tents coming soon to try out that may also fit the bill ;)
Thank you Sir :)
Nice vid Ray, I understand your reasons but I'm sticking with the duomid in the A frame twin walking poles mod 🙂 did you ever do a review on the shakedry jkt?
Duomid a great bit of kit. As for the jacket I haven't needed to wear it since the Cape Wrath. Will be taking it again though for the re-run of that adventure hopefully starting soon. Atb
I have another interesting Dcf setup for the Cape walk. All about that one soon.
Nice review Ray, thanks. Is the Access taking the place of your Scarp (1?) for bad weather/ winter use? Do you think it the better tent?
I don't have a Scarp One as that was my friends, Scotlands Mountain's. He was with me and I had been photographing it. Have tried one I the past though and to be honest I really didn't like it. Atb
Been looking at these. I believe you can outer pitch first if you use the footprint to hold the poles as well can't you if it's real bad weather?
Think you can with additional footprint. Atb
Where did you find that vehicle? Looks like a nice spot for some biking.
Sadly it is private land I have been granted access to for filming by the owner and ranger that looks after the area. Atb
agree with the mld zip thing 🤦♂️
How are you getting on with your Robens Starlight 2 just interested as mine has just arrived, thanks
Still have it and use it now and again. My daughter uses it more now for trips away with the Scouts where she is a leader.
@@RS.Outdoors hi, thanks for the reply, I see hopefully she is finding it a good tent, love the channel thanks for posting pse keep the vids coming 👍
Hi, I have the same tent in green and have had the one end of the tent collapsing in 30 to 40 mph winds, have I pitched it incorrectly or is poorly designed for windy weather ? I also have two more msr tents and i do love them.
Not sure how you had it pitched but I have never had an issue yet, touch wood. Also in my other stormy camp video that was the MSR Access 1 and took a hell of a battering and winds were above 40mph. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors i have used all off the guy lines and even the extras ones, it could be me but the wind can change direction at anytime when your asleep, I had the msr 1 tent and found it to be a great tent just a little to small.
is the vechile a lumberjills base camp support
Possibly :)
What’s the difference between this and the Hubba Hubba nx? They appear to be just the same?
The inner tent is about 90% solid fabric with just a couple of small mesh traingles for ventilation. This keeps the draughts out and so makes the inside warmer in cold weather. It also has an extra cross over pole that goes around middle of the tent. Also has an extra 4off guyline points but MSR dont provide the guylines for them.
@@RS.Outdoors Ah thanks for getting back to me.. I bought the Hubba Hubba but haven’t had the opportunity to get out on a proper camp in it yet. Kinda thinking I should have bought the access 2 now instead. Although I have my trusted mirage 200 pro for the winter so will just keep that for now. Thanks again.
Is it a silicon outer ?> if so do you have seal the stitching ? Really interested in one of these
No I haven't needed to seal the stitching. Atb
i have read in a review that the seams of the floor are not taped.
1. Is that true? Isn t that a problem for water proofness?
2. If yes, does that mean that the tent is not good in rainy conditions but more for snow? :(
Hi mate. What kind of issues have you had with condensation in this, if any? I'm looking at getting one but heard it can bet a bit bad?
Cheers.
Not had that much and not more than any other tent. Atb
@@RS.Outdoors cheers mate 👍🏻👍🏻
Hello, what about condensation in this tent??
Don’t dazzle dip Ray!! Was this video sponsored by Iron Bru?
Did you find out what type of vehicle you discovered
Nope,no idea yet. Atb
Hi there.i love following your videos and advice and gear reviews.but sometimes I wonder if ff it's worth actually taking that much notice.i get it it that your well into your photography but the way you bigged up the mld tent then just say it's not for me ?.then say this new 4 season tent is for me.then tell us how good it is then say you know what it's....were better off just following are own judgements really.as for your camping videos.i love them,cheers!!
Just found your comment hidden away in the system. Take what you want from my videos at the end of the day. As for the MLD tent which I will say again is that it is a fantastic tent. However I do not like the dcf colour it is currently manufactured in and the fact I would like a two way zip. When it comes to buying tents I do not have endless amounts of money and can only have one or two tents max at a time. It is often the case I have to sell one to buy another. I bought the MLD for doing the Cape Wrath Trail and hoped it would be good enough for some photography. The main reason I go out into the hills and mountains is for photography, hence winning several national awards. So I had to sell the MLD to buy the MSR in orange was going to be the tent I used had we got out this winter. It is a pain you need to add things to tents such as the MSr but no tent is perfect and all have a niggle or flaw of some description. Have been saving up for a new tent to duse on the Cape Wrath this year which I have wanted to try for years and just arrived. Even this and it's eye watering price I feel needs to be tweaked to get the best out of it. Atb
How many tents do you own Renegade :)
Only one. Need to sell one to get one. But did get a couple to review :)
@@RS.Outdoors Have you ever thought of branching out mate, you know slow cookers, hedge trimmers and general household appliances if you got Murray on board between the two of you, you could be endorsing all sorts of stuff. I could act as your agent for a small fee.