I never thought I would like ice until I made one and pvped, when I say one of the most entertaining and actually thought provoking schools im not lying, but when it comes to pve its so annoying and I resorted to making a second account just to quest with myself to not hold other back from my low offense
The ice wiztubers I watched as a kid like Alexander lionheart made me think the school was OP. I love ice in terms of aesthetic but holy shit it’s so annoying. frost giant is what I’m supposed to use for mobs. I’m only PvE rn and I’ve seen good attacks we have are all shad attacks which aren’t always reliable and have become less reliable too. Frost giant is worse than blizzard because it’s easier in mob fights to frenzy and then blizzard twice for almost twice the damage. I can count the number of times I’ve used giant since I got to Polaris on one hand (it’s maybe 5). Id rather wait for snowball than use it. Hell Id be happy with a 550 frost giant (though it should be at least 610-620).
@@YuhPaul Ice definitely wasn't the best in 2008 I had an ice in 2010 and I met maybe one other ice back then. If it was the "best" wouldn't there be way more. I played all the time back then as well. Ice only got good when waterworks came out and it was only the best when Darkmoor came out. Before all that. It was awful. Unless it was secretly the best school and no one realized.
I had played Ice for many years now. I've been an Ice main since for close 6-7 years, way back when Darkmoor came out. Recently I have lost most of my love for Ice, the PVE "Tank" role that it had for a long time feels very moot now, as shielding in Raids or endgame boss encounters is now basically a death sentence. The support role it had for a long time is now fully gone. Death or Life is just flat out better at doing anything that Ice can. Ice has some of the coolest looking gear, pets, houses, and small little things in appearances. However in terms of its practicality, its all but useless now. As of the last couple months, I went with a new character, a Myth, and it has been amazing. I physically can not play my Ice anymore without feeling like I'm shooting myself in the foot or being at a disadvantage against other schools. I had struggled through most of the story on my ice. I had only recently started playing the game very actively again until after Novus came out last year. I was unable to get through much of the Arc 4 worlds alone. I struggled through Karamelle, Lemuria and had an awful time getting through Novus. I had only gone through using Darkmoor gear, as I couldnt find anyone to help me do Catacombs. I know for a fact, that when I get there on my Myth, its going to be much easier, as the school is just better. More Health and resist mean close to nothing when you are soloing most of the game. I have had Covid the last 2 weeks, so i've had a lot of time off and at home with little energy. I was able to get from Krock to the end of Zafaria in just a couple weeks. For reference my Ice took me many weeks as I was in high school at the time, and my life took me just as long when i was just starting college. Myth went from the joke school to now being wildly powerful in PVE and close to dominate in PVP. I know many people say Balance is strong right now, which it is, however Myth has been at least top 3 for a good few years now. Ice went from #1 in pvp for a long time, to #7 for many years now.
Hey, if you need help getting gear, I can help. Farming the catacombs sucks. I can definitely help you out so you don't have to give up your passion from being an ice wizard.
(PvE) I’ve played ice through a few times, every time I end up deleting the character because I just can’t do it anymore. I finally just gave in and leveled it, level 125 now and I literally can’t play the game without bringing a friend or my other account with me. I don’t do enough damage to continuously and reliably solo everything. I gave up on the school, idk when I’ll have play or touch that ice again but if it isn’t fixed it’ll just sit there. I absolutely can’t stand balance, i hate that school with ever fiber of my being but I’d rather play that than ice at this point.
It really is crazy just witnessing the fall of the Ice school. I still remember it in full glory back in 2014-17 just to comeback to this game and see how it's essentially the most useless school in the game. Just gotta stop playing for them to get the message.
stop paying, stop playing, let the game die. they dont care how many people are ranting because you guys are still paying money and thats all they care about
I love ice too, but I totally agree we are very under powered and just forget about it seems.. I’m optimistic also that they will stop focusing on what to put in PVP and focus on fixing an on going issues with one of the main classes in the game.. it’s sad, please fix this KI
I began playing wizard and ice school in 2012, idk if its just nostalgia or how it was but im very sure ice used to be a lottttt better. Frost giant did 750 i think, and its a lot of ices, including mine, favorite spell to use. now its not worth using much.. abominable weaver used to be insaneeee. The entire shadow spell shadow gathering stuff being nerffed i felt like indirectly hurt us as well. I havent played the game itself much at all since February 2023 so i can only guess what else nerfs they did. But basically i used to love the school, way back then its what kept me playing and eventually getting membership for it and it was so good. Now every other school can do what we can.. but better, the passion to play the school isnt.. there much anymore. I know the new world is out and eventually ill play through it with ice but im sure itll be a slog to go through lol.
Easy fix for frost giant 545 aoe dmg to all emeries and gives a 30% tower shield to the caster Ice could be this school that has certain damage spells give medium def shields which i think would be a nice Qol buff
Dude, I'm surprised, because you are not exaggerating and you have the balls to speak about this, but I'm afraid, that saying this just on TH-cam is not enough, this has to be a conversation with the Community, your best bet, this to get attention is on Reddit and Discord. I'm Ice main as well and I see this, but I've aslo taken a deeper look Ice class has the more lore story from all other classes, Ice class is connected with the Grandmother Raven story and Ice titan Ymir inspired from the Norse mythology. Have you noticed the spells animations? in the newer worlds Kingsisle decided to go lazy the Ice spells look ridiculous they don't look awesome like they use to be after Shatterhorn and Deadly deeps the new Spell for example is a ''Vampire Frog'' how stupid is that? KI hates Ice, because they always liked Storm, Death, Fire and Myth. Not only, we get a weaker damage being an Ice wizard but our gears are designed to have huge amount of resist with is natural and the damage is just a joke. The worst mistake they made was to NERF the only AOE spell we had Frost giant....
Ice's gear even outside of Aeon is nothing short of pathetic. The ice WW boots give 8% damage (while the runners up are at 15%, nearly double damage), a well built life at level 60 can hit over 100 damage while Ice struggles to get 80 or so and theyre supposed to be the same DPP/effectiveness. Even in darkmoor there have been countless times where I look at Ice's stats on mali gear and compare it to other schools and even on other low DPP schools, ices is just "wow this is garbage". A well built storm in full zeus is outdpsing an ice with full waterworks. At this point just rework Ice's identity into a school that does more damage the more damage they take or find some way to make tanking actually something that matters with ice because right now Death and Life are far better tanks and actually have utility. There is no reason a 7 pip AOE should do nearly the same damage as croakula.
At least in water works ice has a health advantage. Now that’s gone. It’s just awful. Yeah ice got the worst darkmoor gear, I remember when it came out and ppl were comparing the stats on it to other schools. Ice was the only school that couldn’t get full accuracy with their darkmoor set at the time.
Ice used to be one of the best schools in pvp and pve, now it’s undeniably the worst in pvp and pve. I’m 2020 the devs either majorly buffed the 7 pip aoes or left them the same except for frost giant which they actually nerfed by 15 damage. They stated that the 7 pip aoes would be overturned and not correctly follow the spell audit rules. They either majorly buffed schools 7 pip aoes like fire dragon, and scarecrow, or left them the same like storm lord. Frost giant however got nerfed. Which makes no since especially since they claimed that they were allowing the 7 pips to be overturned. Frost giant should have gotten a buff and keep the stun, or ATLEAST left alone. Why they nerfed it by 15 damage is beyond me. It makes no since besides them disliking ice. Let’s also remember that a few years ago the devs decided to change school base health slightly and pushed an update out that gave schools health or left them the same. Ice actually lost a small amount of health after that update went live. (Something under a 100 health) which is like why even do that at all since it’s such a small amount? Life is also apparently the health school now and ice no longer gets 31 health per level up after 160. They only get 27 now and life gets ices 31 now. Standardizing buffs was also a mistake.
Ice is also super undesired in team ups. Every other school has something they can bring to the team up table. Ice literally has nothing of value to bring.
The thing with balance is it is fs a weak school and in the beginning both balance and ice are at the same lvl of weakness however the 20/25 blade doesn't matter in a sense that ice literally gets there blade at a crazy lvl 38, and late game balance has good damage. The issue is that the 7 pip aoe, which is supposed to be the main spell a wizrad uses for the whole playthrough is so horrendous with ice's forst giant, while balance gets a 660+ 7 pip aoe. Overall balance spells do more damage and they get 2 main blades which they can stack more then other schools.
About 6 years. It only became dominant when Darkmoor came out in like 2014. Then ever since 2020 it's been in the lower tiers and now it's the lowest tier. So what You just said is blatantly false.
@@HelperKaiGlenn no it didn’t become dominant then I been playing since 2010 and Ice was broken when Avalon was a thing. They had fire and storm immunity and there was outrage back then they were unkillable they have been broken for many years way before Dartmoor
@@HelperKaiGlenn keep crying blatantly false as someone who has warlord on every single age ik how mind numming ice was in pvp everyone high rank was ice whilst death was awful for most of this games existence. Literally look up range titan ice immunity that was filmed 12 years ago and people had a whole debate about quitting the game over ice
@@HelperKaiGlenn idk when Avalon came out but you said Dartmoor come out in 2014 Avalon was when ice was op tell me who r your wizards and where r u on the boards in any age? Because ice was literally op for 75% of this game existence. Myth was mid and death was rubbish yet those are the two schools people cry about now
I never thought I would like ice until I made one and pvped, when I say one of the most entertaining and actually thought provoking schools im not lying, but when it comes to pve its so annoying and I resorted to making a second account just to quest with myself to not hold other back from my low offense
The ice wiztubers I watched as a kid like Alexander lionheart made me think the school was OP. I love ice in terms of aesthetic but holy shit it’s so annoying. frost giant is what I’m supposed to use for mobs. I’m only PvE rn and I’ve seen good attacks we have are all shad attacks which aren’t always reliable and have become less reliable too. Frost giant is worse than blizzard because it’s easier in mob fights to frenzy and then blizzard twice for almost twice the damage. I can count the number of times I’ve used giant since I got to Polaris on one hand (it’s maybe 5). Id rather wait for snowball than use it. Hell Id be happy with a 550 frost giant (though it should be at least 610-620).
The ice school was the best in PvP 2008-2016 so yeah it had a long run
@@YuhPaul Ice definitely wasn't the best in 2008 I had an ice in 2010 and I met maybe one other ice back then. If it was the "best" wouldn't there be way more. I played all the time back then as well. Ice only got good when waterworks came out and it was only the best when Darkmoor came out. Before all that. It was awful. Unless it was secretly the best school and no one realized.
Ice has my fav aesthetic but it's so ass, reached alto alto and it's SO SLOW. just finished leveling my balance and that wasn't nearly as bad 😭
I had played Ice for many years now. I've been an Ice main since for close 6-7 years, way back when Darkmoor came out. Recently I have lost most of my love for Ice, the PVE "Tank" role that it had for a long time feels very moot now, as shielding in Raids or endgame boss encounters is now basically a death sentence. The support role it had for a long time is now fully gone. Death or Life is just flat out better at doing anything that Ice can. Ice has some of the coolest looking gear, pets, houses, and small little things in appearances. However in terms of its practicality, its all but useless now. As of the last couple months, I went with a new character, a Myth, and it has been amazing.
I physically can not play my Ice anymore without feeling like I'm shooting myself in the foot or being at a disadvantage against other schools. I had struggled through most of the story on my ice. I had only recently started playing the game very actively again until after Novus came out last year. I was unable to get through much of the Arc 4 worlds alone. I struggled through Karamelle, Lemuria and had an awful time getting through Novus. I had only gone through using Darkmoor gear, as I couldnt find anyone to help me do Catacombs. I know for a fact, that when I get there on my Myth, its going to be much easier, as the school is just better. More Health and resist mean close to nothing when you are soloing most of the game. I have had Covid the last 2 weeks, so i've had a lot of time off and at home with little energy. I was able to get from Krock to the end of Zafaria in just a couple weeks. For reference my Ice took me many weeks as I was in high school at the time, and my life took me just as long when i was just starting college. Myth went from the joke school to now being wildly powerful in PVE and close to dominate in PVP. I know many people say Balance is strong right now, which it is, however Myth has been at least top 3 for a good few years now. Ice went from #1 in pvp for a long time, to #7 for many years now.
Hey, if you need help getting gear, I can help. Farming the catacombs sucks. I can definitely help you out so you don't have to give up your passion from being an ice wizard.
(PvE) I’ve played ice through a few times, every time I end up deleting the character because I just can’t do it anymore. I finally just gave in and leveled it, level 125 now and I literally can’t play the game without bringing a friend or my other account with me. I don’t do enough damage to continuously and reliably solo everything. I gave up on the school, idk when I’ll have play or touch that ice again but if it isn’t fixed it’ll just sit there. I absolutely can’t stand balance, i hate that school with ever fiber of my being but I’d rather play that than ice at this point.
It really is crazy just witnessing the fall of the Ice school. I still remember it in full glory back in 2014-17 just to comeback to this game and see how it's essentially the most useless school in the game. Just gotta stop playing for them to get the message.
That’s for real.
genuinely dont understand how the devs have destroyed pvp this much since 2020
Frost giant should be 475 damage to all enemies and a -40% shield to all friends
devs would still hate ice if that happened
When game developers start randomly banning a ton of things instead of working on balance, that’s a huge red flag
they could give ice giant more utility side, fuck the stun give me like -45 shield to my allies or -50 to self or absorb
ice giant with a tower shield would be 555 dmg so yes please
these rant videos are better than pvp matches. i subbed for the rants 😂
stop paying, stop playing, let the game die. they dont care how many people are ranting because you guys are still paying money and thats all they care about
So sad this is what things have come too, really wish KI would listen 😢
I mean I just picked up and started to play due to a leg injury and I’m having fun …
Don't let some guy in the Internet tell you how it live your life@@ricardodelgado8934
@@ricardodelgado8934enjoy it lol, don't let people ruin your fun
I love ice too, but I totally agree we are very under powered and just forget about it seems.. I’m optimistic also that they will stop focusing on what to put in PVP and focus on fixing an on going issues with one of the main classes in the game.. it’s sad, please fix this KI
This is not what I wanted to hear while currently leveling up my ice :(
It's still definitely a worthy challenge! I always recommend Ice to anyone looking for a challenge in wiz 😎
I began playing wizard and ice school in 2012, idk if its just nostalgia or how it was but im very sure ice used to be a lottttt better. Frost giant did 750 i think, and its a lot of ices, including mine, favorite spell to use. now its not worth using much.. abominable weaver used to be insaneeee. The entire shadow spell shadow gathering stuff being nerffed i felt like indirectly hurt us as well. I havent played the game itself much at all since February 2023 so i can only guess what else nerfs they did. But basically i used to love the school, way back then its what kept me playing and eventually getting membership for it and it was so good. Now every other school can do what we can.. but better, the passion to play the school isnt.. there much anymore. I know the new world is out and eventually ill play through it with ice but im sure itll be a slog to go through lol.
Easy fix for frost giant
545 aoe dmg to all emeries and gives a 30% tower shield to the caster
Ice could be this school that has certain damage spells give medium def shields which i think would be a nice Qol buff
I agree, that sounds like a decent trade off
As a fire main, they destroyed my school too bro. Ice and Fire were my first two schools, literally only use my Death, Life and Storm now.
It seems the developers are in favor of Death and Myth
Dude, I'm surprised, because you are not exaggerating and you have the balls to speak about this, but I'm afraid, that saying this just on TH-cam is not enough, this has to be a conversation with the Community, your best bet, this to get attention is on Reddit and Discord.
I'm Ice main as well and I see this, but I've aslo taken a deeper look Ice class has the more lore story from all other classes, Ice class is connected with the Grandmother Raven story and Ice titan Ymir inspired from the Norse mythology.
Have you noticed the spells animations?
in the newer worlds Kingsisle decided to go lazy the Ice spells look ridiculous they don't look awesome like they use to be after Shatterhorn and Deadly deeps the new Spell for example is a ''Vampire Frog'' how stupid is that?
KI hates Ice, because they always liked Storm, Death, Fire and Myth.
Not only, we get a weaker damage being an Ice wizard but our gears are designed to have huge amount of resist with is natural and the damage is just a joke.
The worst mistake they made was to NERF the only AOE spell we had Frost giant....
insane that life is just better ice now wow
Ice's gear even outside of Aeon is nothing short of pathetic. The ice WW boots give 8% damage (while the runners up are at 15%, nearly double damage), a well built life at level 60 can hit over 100 damage while Ice struggles to get 80 or so and theyre supposed to be the same DPP/effectiveness. Even in darkmoor there have been countless times where I look at Ice's stats on mali gear and compare it to other schools and even on other low DPP schools, ices is just "wow this is garbage". A well built storm in full zeus is outdpsing an ice with full waterworks.
At this point just rework Ice's identity into a school that does more damage the more damage they take or find some way to make tanking actually something that matters with ice because right now Death and Life are far better tanks and actually have utility. There is no reason a 7 pip AOE should do nearly the same damage as croakula.
At least in water works ice has a health advantage. Now that’s gone. It’s just awful. Yeah ice got the worst darkmoor gear, I remember when it came out and ppl were comparing the stats on it to other schools. Ice was the only school that couldn’t get full accuracy with their darkmoor set at the time.
DS gear gives more damage than fucking DM gear what the fuck
How dare they..DARE THEY
Fun game, must be a way to get the devs to change this
I been maining ice in pvp since 4th age started. It’s so sad to see how far it’s fallen 😓
i laugh when a minion uses frost giant because the damage is trash the stun is annoying but it hits like a pillow
Ice used to be one of the best schools in pvp and pve, now it’s undeniably the worst in pvp and pve. I’m 2020 the devs either majorly buffed the 7 pip aoes or left them the same except for frost giant which they actually nerfed by 15 damage. They stated that the 7 pip aoes would be overturned and not correctly follow the spell audit rules. They either majorly buffed schools 7 pip aoes like fire dragon, and scarecrow, or left them the same like storm lord. Frost giant however got nerfed. Which makes no since especially since they claimed that they were allowing the 7 pips to be overturned. Frost giant should have gotten a buff and keep the stun, or ATLEAST left alone. Why they nerfed it by 15 damage is beyond me. It makes no since besides them disliking ice. Let’s also remember that a few years ago the devs decided to change school base health slightly and pushed an update out that gave schools health or left them the same. Ice actually lost a small amount of health after that update went live. (Something under a 100 health) which is like why even do that at all since it’s such a small amount? Life is also apparently the health school now and ice no longer gets 31 health per level up after 160. They only get 27 now and life gets ices 31 now. Standardizing buffs was also a mistake.
Ice is also super undesired in team ups. Every other school has something they can bring to the team up table. Ice literally has nothing of value to bring.
What is your top10 tc that needs to return to pvp?
1. polar swarm
2. idk 💀but theres def a lot, pswarm just takes prio
@@IceGoldPvPOr ice just needs a 4 pip OT.
New video idea
balance has a 25% and a 20% blade so who's blade is weaker lol
The thing with balance is it is fs a weak school and in the beginning both balance and ice are at the same lvl of weakness however the 20/25 blade doesn't matter in a sense that ice literally gets there blade at a crazy lvl 38, and late game balance has good damage. The issue is that the 7 pip aoe, which is supposed to be the main spell a wizrad uses for the whole playthrough is so horrendous with ice's forst giant, while balance gets a 660+ 7 pip aoe. Overall balance spells do more damage and they get 2 main blades which they can stack more then other schools.
@@penguin1028 not gonna lie solo balance is a pain but you have to be really good to solo balance i did it but it was still a pain
@@truthseekers1620 Soloing as an ice is harder. I guarantee it.
True
Ice was dominant for literally 10 years
About 6 years. It only became dominant when Darkmoor came out in like 2014. Then ever since 2020 it's been in the lower tiers and now it's the lowest tier. So what You just said is blatantly false.
@@HelperKaiGlenn no it didn’t become dominant then I been playing since 2010 and Ice was broken when Avalon was a thing. They had fire and storm immunity and there was outrage back then they were unkillable they have been broken for many years way before Dartmoor
@@HelperKaiGlenn keep crying blatantly false as someone who has warlord on every single age ik how mind numming ice was in pvp everyone high rank was ice whilst death was awful for most of this games existence. Literally look up range titan ice immunity that was filmed 12 years ago and people had a whole debate about quitting the game over ice
@@westhamaremassive8099 Avalon didn't come out in 2010. That's just another blatantly false thing You said.
@@HelperKaiGlenn idk when Avalon came out but you said Dartmoor come out in 2014 Avalon was when ice was op tell me who r your wizards and where r u on the boards in any age? Because ice was literally op for 75% of this game existence. Myth was mid and death was rubbish yet those are the two schools people cry about now