Medtner: Forgotten Melodies III, Op.40 (Arimori, Tozer)
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- Two strikingly beautiful but very different performances of Medtner’s third set of Vergessene Weisen, more commonly known as the Forgotten Melodies. Arimori is transparent, intimate, Tozer pungently dramatic. It’s a pity that this particular set of pieces is not more often played - it features Medtner at his most subtle and rhythmically creative, and the pieces have that odd Medtnerian quality of being full of both tranquillity and disquiet.
Arimori:
00:00 - Danza Col Canto
04:06 - Danza Sinfonica
12:49 - Danza Fiorata
15:44 - Danza Jubilosa
18:40 - Danza Ondulata
21:41 - Danza Ditirambica
Tozer:
28:32 - Danza Col Canto
32:48- Danza Sinfonica
41:42 - Danza Fiorata
44:36 - Danza Jubilosa
47:31 - Danza Ondulata
50:37 - Danza Ditirambica - เพลง
![Medtner: Selected Skazki [Tales] (Bekhterev, Arimori)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HnrWG_i7peY/mqdefault.jpg)
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Glad to see some more love for Medtner.
could you please tell me, what does "culus" in your name mean?
Culus is latin for asshole...
@@10mimu Nota bene: ass, not asshole
Aaron Not at all. Culus is "anus". Ass properly
would be nates or glutes.
Actually "-culus" is the Latin suffix which is used for masculine diminutive forms.
Medtner is a quite unknown composer but his melodies are strikingly beautiful
I’m loving the complex meters going on in some of these sections, adds a whole other layer of musicality onto an already stunning harmonic and rhythmic work
Danza ondulata aka "Dance of the Waves" (the fifth piece of the set) is absolutely fucking brilliant. What an amazing composer
For some reason I've been slow to get to know op 40 and have known op 38 and 39 quite well this last decade. The time is ripe now.
I watched and listened to this video often in the last weeks. And I see more and more how gorgeous it is. So thank you.
The beginning tears my heart apart.
the part at 33:30 is beautiful, that trill gives me goosebumb every time i hear it :D
I feel your pain, it happens to me too, I get shivers. Medtner is definitly one of my favorite composers, I was very happy when he uploaded this!
Can't understand why Medtner isn't better known.
I see. Why can't the folks understand him tho'? It couldn't be easier.
Brady Dill granted.
Do you have a FB a/c or email? I'm fascinated by your words.
With the advent of You Tube, and the hard work of uploaders, more and more people have a chance to listen to Medtner. It may take some years, but I am sure Medtner will finally be given his due.
Yes, of course.
Some of his things are much more accessible than others. I've learned his music piece by piece in general order of descending accessibility, which I guess is how I've learned everyone's music. Certainly some of Beethoven and Bach is pretty tough to get through the first few times. Also, I think that because basically everything Medtner wrote is for solo piano that gives him a much narrower appeal (shouldn't!) than a more comprehensive (genre wise) composer like Rachmaninoff. The only exception to that popularity trend is Chopin...I think.
The first few Medtner pieces I got in to were; the skazka Op.26 No. 2; the 2nd of his Trois Nouvelles, Op.17; the "primavera" section from his Op.38 Forgotten Melodies and of course the Sonata reminiscenza. I think anyone who isn't pretty much immediately hooked by those (particularly the Reminiscenza) is tripping foo.
I'd say his sonatas which is what a lot of people might instinctively turn to first when they're just getting in to him are probably his densest LEAST accessible pieces. Particularly that Sonata minacciosa which is DOPE but I'd say pretty much impossible except for serious listeners who would likely have to be musicians to penetrate it.
I love Medtner, and both of these performances.
Had a very bad romantic-life-related moment today but this is helping.
Is it weird that I hear some similarities to Brahms in Medtner? They are both are not afraid to use dense textures in the lower registers, and most of their music is very strict in tempo (in a classical manner), with occasional moments of intense melodic beauty. They also use counterpoint very obsessively. Regardless, I love them both.
the counterpoint is the best part of medtner. It's just so stimulating for some reason. More so than any other composer to me for some reason
Medtner, though Russian, had German roots, and was steeped in the German tradition from his days in Moscow Conservatory. Some could consider him a true successor of the German school (alongside Schoenberg and Strauss).
He has Brahms counterpoint and Schumann rhythmic wizardry.
@@StevenPJames-fl1un Would that observation is valid for Rachmaninoff and Scriabin?
The Danza Sinfonica has definite references to Schumann, especially Carnival.
Medtner supremacy!
Unforgettable!
Medtner is absolutely brilliant, an all-time great piano composer yet he's unfortunately discredited in the same way Schumann is, especially Schumann's later works. I actually see many parallels between the two composers, when I see Medtner dubbed as the "Russian Brahms" I'm like no he is nothing like Brahms! He is more the Russian Schumann, both are misunderstood geniuses who may not be immediately accessible to the ear but whose music reveals it's rich secrets over repeated listening
Completely agree, I always get reminded of Medtner especially when I listen to Schumann's third sonata
@@connorrichardson368 -- Indeed......BRAVO from Acapulco!
Each time I hear this it like more
32:48 danza sinfonica
hm this has got to be one of the prettiest medtner sets
Is the sonata tragica part of the forgotten melodies too? There are a lot of cyclical connections between these pieces and the middle section of that sonata.
Yes, my friends, tragic sonata belong to the second set of Forgotten Melodies op. 39. Btw this is an extremely virtuosic Sonata to me >.
Yes, op.39 no.5)
I would really love to read your writings about Medtner first piano sonata in f minor
All the best
14:41 last bar of the page straight out of a late Scriabin sonata lmao
Maybe it's the other way around.
@@p-y8210 Scriabin had been dead for 5 years by the time these pieces were published
I wish Volodos would do an all Medtner CD.
superb, on first listen can't decide which I prefer! Which has your vote :?
I like the first one better
Danza Col canto and Danza Jubilosa
Fifth
Danza Sinfonica
So great! But here's just a little reminder from my side not to forget about fauré's piano music! :)
Fauré is the other composer whose music is extremely difficult to understand at first, but becomes so clear and direct with close listening.
@@atmplayspiano I second this. I've seen this comment 2 times already and I finally decided to go check out his music -- excellent decision!
Fauré's music sadly leaves me cold.
2:45 Jacob Collier exposed?
Hello, very nice video, can you tell me what does your name mean?
Oh
@@aronlescsinszky1127 - and what does your name mean?
3:36 very Schumann like!
Danza Sinfonica sounds like Schubert Op 90 Impromptu 1
34:15 34:29 34:40
La danza Fiorata es la base de "La gallina turuleta", parece, de los payasos de TVE años 70/80 ... ?
0:16 Rachmaninoff concerto 3 cadenza
22:14 Beethoven sonata 15 "pastoral" be like
Disappointingly, Medtner's works are mostly all Forgotten or at least Unfairly Little-known Melodies.
It is obvious that Medter solo piano pieces are as interesting as Rachmaninoff ones, which are however much more known and played. This unbalance between the two composers is difficult to understand ... Maybe Rachmaninoff is favorized because of his Concertos, which are really at the top level of post-romantic concertos ...
Perhaps, yet Medtner's piano concerti are also very beautiful and, I'd argue, relatively accessible (especially the second one).
I personally think the disparity in fame between them is in part due to Rachmaninoff having a bigger platform upon which to present his works being already a famous concert pianist. Medtner seems to have been obstinate about playing his own music over standard repertoire in concerts from the beginning which may explain why he never 'caught on'.
He never really had the active touring career that Rachmaninoff had, so he didn't nearly get the same exposure, especially in America.
Oh dear what a load of pretentious tosh rach has far more appeal than medtner. These pieces are weirdly put together although well conposed they're still weird I play all rachs works but only a handful of medtner certainly not these
@@MegaPianogenius Unfortunately, I completely disagree. We are talking about a highly subjective field and I happen to find much more appeal in Medtner's music than I do in Rachmaninoff's. An argument could be made that Rachmaninoff is a 'better' composer due to his increased popularity but then by that same logic you would have to concede that Logan Paul, for example, is a more appealing musician than Rachmaninoff is! After all, isn't his music viewed much more on TH-cam than Rachmaninoff's music? In short, do not dismiss an unpopular opinion as "pretentious tosh" because your opinion has no more weight to it than mine does.
47:31