Why Palpatine Didn't Choose to Keep the OP Magnaguards after the Clone Wars Ended
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- The real reason's because Palpatine didn't want to look uncool by comparison
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Imagine the droids are in the red suits for the empire
SO HOT
@@geetslys is the bendu related to the father
@@hklegomaster interesting
I'd imagine that the few that survived perfectly fine were definitely implemented into the guardsmen.
There is lol. Look up darth grevious.
I wonder if the Republic has ever tried to capture a few Magna Guards and reprogram them to assassinate Grievous.
"I use the robot to kill the robot"
If they did then they obviously didn't work
I mean grievous trained with them too I’m sure
@@1990hondacivic wrong, he TRAINED THEM, he specifically requested them unprogrammed so he could teach them
Obi-Wan tries to use Grievous’s bodyguards weapons against him. Grievous basically just laughs at him ‘you really think I would give my bodyguards weapons that would defeat me?’
It’s actually hinted that Sidious is afraid of his own creation, Grievous, because he was so damn powerful in Legends.
Also further proof that Vader could have had armour that is shielded from electricity and Sidious decided leave him unshielded on purpose. I mean that’s already canon, but that was just proof the technology _did_ already exist.
1) They are expensive and rare
2) Not as many Jedi anymore, so no need for specialized units
3) George Lucas didn't think of them during the original trilogy
4) Palpatine had a habit of keeping armored guards around him already
5) He was human-centric
Palpatine could easily have built more of them. The Empire nearly had infinite ressources (wich they spent on useless scrap in the Disney canon). The new Disney canon gives you the impression there were more jedi *after* Order 66 than before. And he was way too smart for being racist.
@@abraham2172 no the empire actually was very pro human hence the lack of any alien species in positions of power and the ones that were there truly earned there place like admiral Thrawn
@@connorluff180 Thats right, many Imperials were probably humanist, but Palpatine had no racism problems. Of course he pretended to be human-centric because humans were the most numerous species in the galaxy and especially tin the areas Palpatine cared the most, the Core. He used racism as a tool to improve his position.
It's not only human-centrism. The Empire presented itself as the successor of the Republic and Crushers of the CIS. You don't put your enemie's battle droids as the Emperor's bodyguards. That would have seemed weird to the people.
@@jakobvk4697 Right
The Emperor probably also wanted to feel their loyalty and passion. Where as it probably wouldn't have felt any different than a roomba cleaning his chambers.
this is honestly the most logical reason ngl
How about the real reason?
The one where he probably didn't want to be associated with the CIS so directly.
You just saved me 10 minutes. Thank you battle droid.
Or the real reason would be, they hadn't even thought of the CIS much les magnaguards back when the red bois were the guards.
Or how about the real reason? That the original trilogy was made 30 years before the clone wars was made ?
@@gergelyszekvari1790 Yeah it gives me headache with how much that limits the lore and there has to be reasons weaseled or shoe horned in to compensate
@@timhill5764 Always ready to help!
I love how he described the Jedi as “pesky space wizards”.
With a lot of plot armor
Yoda throwing the Royal Guards into the wall was one of the best bits in Revenge of the Sith.
Those two were Red Guards. Far less well trained than the Imperial Royal Guard.
@@mjckwmn And being knoked out by Yoda is not being weak, but the lack of screen time makes them into red punch-bags for the good guys, being just a little bit fancier than your standar white punch-bag
To be fair that was before they made 40 of the strongest soldiers of Empire fight each other to death.
That’s what I thought of during this whole vid.
@@mjckwmn yeah they were most likely just clones with a wardrobe change.
The only single jumper in lego star wars that could match a double jumper
I love how lego starwars is your reference point
Right!?
Because after Episode 3, Palpatine set out on part 2 of his master plan, destroy everything he'd built in part 1 of his plan
Well said Kylo.
Which is so dumb of Palpatine to do honestly lol
Pretty much.
Imperial Officer: My lord, should we continue to mass-produce all this effective stuff that helped fight and win the Clone Wars.
Palpatine: Nah, let's replace it with a bunch of cheap ineffective versions that look scary, but will almost never get the job done.
Imperial Officer: Yes my lord. (Sigh). Knew I should have just gone to law school.
XD.
I always wondered why the OT was so popular despite undenyable weaknesses like this.
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The magnaguards would have been exceptional companions to the inquisitors
The Magna Guards dont even need their heads to beat these pathetic disney lushes.
If they weren't all destroyed.
@@emberfist8347 trueeee
Seriously though, can you imagine how terrifying it would be for surviving Jedi seeing inquisitors and magnaguards teaming up? That would be a death sentence.
@@strider5964 Well that wouldn’t work with Palpatine’s propoganda
Well the Magna guards could be Useful for Fear-Tactics as it's one of many Useful tools used by the Empire, " *Fear* "
I can think of two main reasons. First of all Magnaguards were iconic of the might of the Confederacy and Palpatine simply couldn't allow them to be in the public eye because they would disrupt the political narrative of the Empire, which thrived and survived based on tyrannical unity. Sure, the Empire used leftover Droidekas and Dwarf Spider droids, but those were pretty obscure by comparison. Second, they had already been replaced in the bodyguard role by Death Troopers and other elite trooper types. The Empire believed they already had something better.
The propaganda angle is a good point
Having an elite Separatist unit wouldn't be a good look for the Empire
Just dress the droids in the red uniform??
The Dwarf Spider droids And Droidekas were _obscure?_ I beg to differ. The Dwarf Spider droids were THE heavy infantry units of the CIS, being more heavily armoured and having more long range firepower than the B2 Super Battle Droids, while also having superior mobility because they could climb walls and cliff faces. And the Droidekas were considered one of if not the most dangerous infantry units that the CIS had access to, thanks to their incredible mobility combined with their firepower and built in shield generators. I fail to see how they were obscure when both were used on most major fronts during the Clone Wars.
THEY COULD MAKE SUPER DROIDEKAS AND SUPER BATTLE DROIDS (only shown in comics)SERVE AS A JEDI HUNTER EASY.
“Believed” is the key word XD.
The problem with droids is they can be hacked or reprogrammed, a human who has be brainwashed however can't be turned as easy, that and I kinda love the red guard armor.
And humans can easily be bribed or blackmailed, thats why clones are the best soldiers.
Royal Guards: we are badasses selected by the emperor himself we killed our own to prove our loyalty
Yoda laughing: you serious?
1.They weren't Royal Guards, Royal Guards only began to appear once Palpatine got the Empire up and rolling.
2. He is Yoda, a top tier human has no chance against a top tier Jedi.
We see them in brief cameos in later episodes of the Clone Wars
Those are red guard, not royal guards. Yes they are different
@@ryanholt7452 wait a second what why haven’t I heard of this before. I now need answers
@@ontasbulent5709 Yeah, those red guards in RotS are literally just the dark blue guys now in the red garb of the Royal Guard. The official Royal Guards with the full hardcore training didn't come up until sometime after RotS (idk exactly).
While I know it's not "canon," I'd recommend you to read the Crimson Empire comic shown in the video. It's super effective at displaying the power of the Royal Guards.
Palpatine preferred organics because he could link to them with the force. That’s another reason.
Also Palpatine is creating less and less threats to him by letting people join the army he gets loyal followers and if they have some doubt in the empire Palpatine just sends them on missions that he knows they won’t return and will then use that mission to make other want to avenge their fallen brothers and sisters stormtrooper and in turn would make them more loyal and if not the cycle is repeated til theirs only loyal people
@@leopardtree2249 Ironic that these were guys were supposed to be religiously devoted to Darth Sidious. In Legends, one of his Magna Guards who was Force-Sensitive betrayed the Emperor by bribing his physician to sabotage his clones so that Darth Sidious could no longer clone himself and was forced to go after the children of Han and Leia
@@TerminatorGundam300 yeah he’s has had no one really betray him tbh expect Vader majorly and thought it was bc Vader was always weak so he got too careless and was like aye it was a fluke no one will ever betray the most powerful Sith Lord and emperor and that guy was like hehe watch your back
@@leopardtree2249 True about Darth Vader, but Darth Sidious was actually betrayed more once I just recalled. In Legends, Luke betrayed the Emperor by sabotaging his war effort and destroying a large number of his clones. Later, one of his Dark Side Adapts went on to destroy more of the clones till Darth Sidious was stuck with the one clone that was genetically unstable
He was so confident in me he didn't want to replace me respect 💯
Magnagrauds are tricky to kill and They great fighters against Jedi they are so freaking scary looked
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What the hell is up with the spelling and grammar it’s like using auto correct to write but if it was drunk
@@commanderbacara2397 why is the espresso depressed
I’m without any anime to watch.
Engrish my favorite language
Technically in the original books he kept a large amount of the magma droids as security for his palace. Most had their armor redesigned to look like statues and where placed in a shut down state around his palace till someone would be stupid enough to trigger security. No further units were ever produced though.
“If anyone COULD get a chance to cut their heads off”
Unless you’re Mary Sue Palpatine
I heard a rumor that once a Magnaguard referred to organics as meatbags and Sidious ordered them all destroyed out of fear of what could happen next.
HK-47 is back!
@@theevildrummingsithlord1492 nah actually that could be true because I think Sudious knows about that droid which is why no droid model is based off him who i think should be considered one of the best droids models/droid in general out there
@@leopardtree2249 Hmmm, that's interesting. Well, in Legends, I think he did make an appearance on Mustafar.
In republic commando you can also occasionally hear a b2 say something along the lines of "meatbag detected" upon detecting you...
Statement:”master I do belive that’s a bit of an overreaction I would never do such a thing… unless you asked me to engage my assassination protocols”
The Crimson Empire is easily one of my most favorite series to ever come of Star Wars comics.
I imagine keeping up appearances as a faithful member of the Republic and subsequent Empire was one of the determining factors. The galaxy didn't know that Palps and his order were the architects of the clone wars, so using some of their deadliest assassin's to serve Imperial higher ups would create a conflicting image. It's one thing to use probe droids for the entire military, but adopting their protection system is another
Important clarification, the Senate Guard were the ones with Palpatine in RotS. The Imperial Royal Guard accademy was not yet established, these guards were chosen purely for loyalty as Palpatine didn't have the systems up yet to create the terrifying Imperial Royal Guard. There were also elements of maintaining appearances, but for the most part it was loyalty and ability.
God Magna guards were so damn intimidating, they look like they could behead an entire platoon of clones with that dead red stare. However to me, I believe droids always fall short from the Royal Guard because if you look into their training, they’re probably the best trained for their time and paygrade in the galaxy.
A pity their training is mostly for naught.
Carnor Jax and Mara Jade (officially Skywalker; she's implied to be one of them) are doing well, however.
The question is that if you give the same training to one Magna they would be better (robot dont have fatigue)
And you could copy the one training program on the data to others Magna
A better Royal Guard (Magna in case) and more cheaper. But Imps could be dumbdumbs sometimes
@@joaop4585 You can't give magna guards the same training as sovereign guards or shadow guards.
@@randomguy1928 aside for them, the Igs still the more likely to be made by a Empiror with QI +70
@@michaelandreipalon359 I heard their training is extremely brutal and harsh, and that they forge one man armies, it’s a shame they get tossed around a lot in canon.
Man, I keep thinking how cool it would be if Grievous survived a little longer after the clone wars ended. Like getting to seem him maybe round up a small force made up of pirates and old CIS droids out in the outer rim. Then he would fight a brutal hit and run war with the empire. It just seems like such a cool story, plus we get the chance to see more battles with stormtroopers and droids!
He’d probably act like a small green ketamine addict if you let him on Coruscant tho
Me: should we us the clones that killed most of the Jedi
Palpatine: nah
Me: the droids that could overwhelm and kill Jedi
Palpatine: nah
Me: regular guys that can’t even hit slow protocol droids?
Palpatine: do it
*dew it.
Palpatine worked in mysterious ways.
Perhaps he's doing a "suicide by the Force".
Hm. It's almost like plot armor that surrounded the Skywalker family was a thing in almost all Star Wars lore.
@@jakesalisbury2068 The Force is pretty much much implied to be *the real boss* of the Star Wars universe, according to KotOR II... if so, it's really unnerving that a godlike aura has total and unopposed control over all beings.
General Kenobi
Hello there
You are a bold one
@@owensweiss8207 yes
Army or not... you must realize that you are doomed
@@Frozo-nt2ky Florida man stops Street Fight by running everybody over.
General Grievous be like: ah yes The Negotiator
Underrated youtuber right here, watching your vids are so calm and enjoyable
I think the magnaguards where just know for beeing the Personal bodyguards of Grievous. Something that Palpatine doesn't wantet for his empire. Maybe even to make the troopers more effective. The royal guards can be seen as the Elite of the Elite. And if Troopers maybe think:" i want to be like them" they would fight harder to Achieve this Goals. To serve Palpatine. And to stay in line.
They’ll always be my favorite droids.
GONK?
I know right @Geestly's such disrespect
@@geetslys Sorry, sorry. They’ll always be my second favorite droids, right after GONK droids.
@@chunkybricks9877 Sorry, sorry. They’ll always be my second favorite droids, right after GONK droids.
I really like that while Grievous hated most of the droids he commanded, that it makes sense that the ig-100s which were basically his and actually liked having around. The fact that he went out of his way to train them is cool too.
In terms of feats and scaling Magna guards do scale higher, being able to contend with high level Jedi knights and even masters, however Royal Guards, at least the best, like Kir Kanos are pretty close in feats and whatnot, they can fight numerous Stormtroopers, even TIE fighters and come out on top, Magnaguards could most likely do the same, as high level Jedi can as well, but it certainly leads credence to the idea that the gap between them isn't so absurdly large.
I'd say Magnaguard's win 6.5/10 times.
I just wonder how purge troopers fit into this whole thing, given that many of them use Magnaguard weapons.
Magna Guard: Exists
Palpatine: I’m gonna end your whole career
Magna guard vs royal guard. That would honestly be a good fight.
We didn't see any royal guards really fight in the movies though...
@@geetslys Snoke's guards
@@goodmind4940 he said the movies
@@hungryracoon5890 bruh
Blue robed senate guards vs Red robed royal guards would be a good fight, too.
this is possibly one of my favorite and the best videos you’ve ever created :)❤️
Those two pilots droids bumping into one another @1:40 😂
"There's a reason Palpatine chose to have these guys go with him wherever he went including to his private office or to bed."
Ooooooh, I sense a spicy fanfics and fanarts
crimson empire is my favorite comics trilogy of all star wars. Those tree comics are so awesome, I was amazed to see what the red guard training was like oO
I hope we get to see more royal guards in movies or tv show in action.
Those guys are really underrated.
Oh, and don't forget video games.
Wow, never knew about the magnaguards' personalities. Epic. Very good companion to Grievous himself.
Once the best of the best, now getting beaten up by f***ing Ezra. Disney *really* hates the Empire.
In one of the Expanded Universe books, Luke and Mara Jade found one of Vader’s training vaults and a “battle droid from the Clone Wars” was activated. I remember it giving them a challenge.
This book was written before at least “Attack of the Clones” released. Possibly before “The Phantom Menace”.
I wonder if this unintentionally inspired the idea of the Magnadroids?
Magnadroids could've been in Lucas mind even before the new hope were even released. Good ideas have a tendency to appear in many peoples heads. Especialy considering the fact Lucas originaly planned for stormtroopers to be droids and lightsabers being the usual hand held weapons.
8:58 "Go with him where ever he went, including his private office or to bed." reminded me that Palpetine did go to bed with a lot of people.
I love that there’s Lore for something that was probably a real limitation for the film.
He saw that nice red on those troopers and made the obvious choice
battle meditation. Sheev could make them all fight as literal extensions of his will. Perhaps he could also feed off their emotions, rage, pain, etc. Having guards you can literally sense > than having guards you cannot.
Can you make a video about the different types of Sith in the reconstituted Sith empire
Yes plz
*happy Tenebrae noises*
Guards: *Talking trash about Vader in their own language.*
Palatine and Vader: "We like your funny words magic men!"
I think he just liked the brutality of their training as a spectacle
Imperial Royal Guard:*As to quote a warrior of sure might. *W E ARE T H E ANGELS O F DEATH*
lol, no.
@@Horus_the_LupercalY e s
i wish we could habe seen the magnaguards fight more against enemys which dont have plotarmor
You forget that Grevious had to personally train all of the Magnaguards. Without Grevious, who would train them?
Having a mix of both would seem to be a good idea
I have a theory that part of it has to with the Magnaguards' association with the CIS, but even more so their association with General Greivous.
Greivous was practically the face of the Seperatist Army, built to intimidate and strike fear to anyone aligned with the Republic. And the Magnaguards, having been HIS soldiers, carry that intimidation with them, maybe in a smaller magnitude.
That said, Sidious can't be seen alongside these infamous droids. It'd be bad for his reputation.
Also droid phobia from the clone wars is something the Empire used to draw support
Tbh that Empire red guards do sound cool if they are as reliable and fanatical as said -JACK
THat training class for the Royal Guard that had only 2 survivors, those were Kir Kanos and Carnor Jax.
I would really like to see a video on them.
Imagine a star wars movie of a magmaguard going through character arcs
Geetsley, “begging the question” refers to a logical fallacy in which you utilize circular reasoning (p therefore p). It is not the same as raising a question. I find this ambiguity is prevalent in your videos and I just wanted to inform you. Great video as always
Fun Fact: The IG Assassin Droids were also made by Holowan Labs.
100% the reliability and zealous loyalty.
Especially since there's been several droid rebellions in the SW universe
A lot easier to re-program/corrupt a droid then a fanatical zealot
I believe the empire should have recycled sepratist droids into imperial droid armies for the stormtroopers
The Magnaguards were so awesome in live action. I’ll never forget in revenge of the sith when obi-wan chopped off one’s head and it continued to fight!
Nice video bud love the channel
To bed? I don't want to imagine that...
Droids: *can be disabled by EMPs*
Royal guards: I have no such weakness
6:35
>Extreme beyond human skill
>gets clapped by Ezra Bridger
>gets beaten by Lando and his cat Dark Jedi twins in mere seconds
To be fair, Royal Guards aren’t force sensitive
Ah yes, the helicopter robots from republic commandos
8:48: Ah, the legendary Carnor Jax.
I bet that Palpatine loved having a few living autonomous people absolutely subservient to him around at all times. The practical manifestation of power, the dominance over bodies and minds of others - the high of the Dark Side.
Royal Guards in secret language: “i didnt vote for this ball sack bitch”
Palpatine:
Are you 100% sure there’s not at least a couple of Magna Guards lurking under those red cloaks?
Living organisms have intuition and can be augmented by the force.
I imagine that grievous being a basically a cyborg training a droid would be a plug and play scenario the emperor is a clever man with a foresight so many moves ahead of the curve no one could see what was coming remember when the emperor arrived on Mustafa and rescued vader he knelt down and reached towards his head i believe not in concern but using the force to check for brain damage so he could have another grevious a more programmable pawn vader learnt to conceal his feelings just like his new master
It would make sense for Palpatine to not use the Magnaguards if he wanted Grevious (and as a result the Magnaguards) to be the symbol associated with separatism, I mean, you wouldn’t use the same thing you swore to destroy, right?
I agree with these points, but the first one I thought of was from a public image standpoint. That it would look bad if the man who defeated the Separatists and brought peace, now had the same bodyguards as Grievous. Since most Imperial citizens would remember he and his guards as evil mass murderers and oppressors.
Slicer may could have gotten into a magnaguards programming. And put his shuttle into a wall or another ship.
royal guards need a movie
If I remember correctly, Imperial Royal Guards were so dangerous that multiple of them being in one place even made VADER nervous.
The Imperial Royal Guard. When mindless robots aren't loyal enough.
Let’s not forget the droids hadn’t been design by Lucas
Palatine could use mind tricks on the guards while he couldn't control droids. That's probably one of the biggest reasons
Makes me wonder what would happen if Supreme Leader Snoke was a former Royal Guard instead of the jar baby story we got.
Palpatine thought that people would be reminded of the separatists and compare the empire to them
Geetsly do you think you can do lore of commando droids? Since you barely ever hear about them.
I really want to see a few MgnaGuards versus a few Royal Guards.
Laughs in custodian guard
Off-Universe Explanation: The budget and technology wasn't available at the time.
Short answer: you go back to the 80s and build a frickin magnaguard
If I remember correctly, the was book about Vader and Palpatine on ryloth. And a royal guard stood against Vader ready to fight him till Palpatine told him to stand down.
I believe those IG-100 series were much, much stronger than sort of organic guard only rivalled by very talented force users and those with plot armour. They were also the best pilots one could potentially wish for due to their extreme reflexes.
That being said, their very high production cost was their downfall.
Royal guards were indeed chosen among the clones themselves which means they're cheaper and insanely zealous while a droid is a droid.
Palpatine himself was a fairly paranoid person, he would have never trusted his life into the hands of a machine that could potentially out match him given they always worked in squads.
Human guards were probably more suitable to him since he could easily kill a possible defector with his force abilities.
I always felt that the empire should have stocked a decent supply of droidikas, B-s, Vulture and hyena droids, basically in any outpost, but especially smaller ones, say 50 or so troopers, not counting scientists and techs, you set aside. Couple mid sized rooms for droid storage, so if the outpost came under a serious attack, with a single press of a button the outpost could have add a couple dozen droidikas, 50-100 B-2 or commando droids, and a dozen of so fighters and bombers to target the attacking forces.
Everybody's chilling till you find the magnaguard in republic commando
Because:
"No Droids allowed!"
now THIS is something
I'm surprised they weren't used to support purge troopers and inquisitors after order 66
Wait reputation more then droidicas right?
I’m drawing a lot of similarities between the Royal guards and the Custodes
Eh...some. but Custodes are like Royal guards dialed up to 11. I dont wanna be that "Warhammer is always better" guy but Custodes are top tier even in Warhammer. The Royal guards tend to get manhandled by vader all the time whereas Custodians are halfway between astartes and Primarchs. Pretty much the ultimate warriors, and unlike astartes Custodians actually had resistance to psychic warp hacks
Another thing to consider, is that they didn't want to deal with animating them, or building suits.
“Just as effective in combat as the droid general himself.”
I like and respect the droids, but if that were true, the war would have ended a lot sooner with Grievous’ demise.