HEY EVERYONE! I just want endfield to be enjoyed by as many people as possible because as the saying goes 'the more the merrier'. I'm not advocating or trying to insinuate drama should come to this community (it's gacha, it will happen whether we like it or not but its always avoidable!) I'm simply just wanting everyone to jump in and community and streamers alike to enjoy the game at its core - drama is always between people and not the game itself, it's never that deep. NORMAL VIDEOS AND VIBES BACK TOMORROW (AK stream maybe????) LOVE YOU ALL AND TELL ME IF YOU HARD AGREE/DISAGREE, I WANT THE BEST FOR EVERYONE AND YOU MAY THINK ITS NAIVE BUT I DONT :'D If this content isn't why you subbed or follow my channel I won't be offended if you choose to unsub and join other communities, I've been a very opinionated person as long as this channel has existed and with the recent boom we had with arknights week I understand if you may have got the wrong impression - no hard feelings and take care
This is absolutely wrong saying and gatekeeping has been shown to be objectively good and absolutely necessary in many cases. Lack of gatekeeping is why things like Concord and many others happen. It is how companies like Sweet Baby Inc. got to power.
Concord was a failure because of venture capitalists not knowing what people want, that is like comparing apples to racecars dude - gatekeeping is only good for people who hate tourists (which shouldn’t be a negative word but somehow, it is) who want to enter a community that unfortunately is ruled by an iron fist, you might THINK it’s good but to throw the word ‘objective’ in there is objectively wrong.
@@MaximGacha Nope it is demonstratively correct. The current state of American comics, film industry, gaming industry - literally all of these show that I am objectively right in saying that gatekeeping is in many cases is necessary and good thing. It is necessary to make sure that things you love stay the things you love and dont change into something else.
I think if people are entering a community in good faith, then all power to them. If the intent from the get-go was never about being excited to play the game but just to stir drama, farm some views and then go back to your own group and shit all over that community then no, I don't think that kind of bad faith effort is welcome. I think people are skeptical of motives here given what's happened in the past, and I find it hard to blame them. Some kind of good-faith gesture would go a long way here, but I'm not holding my breath on that one. When I see a stream of somebody constantly calling people they don't like the r-word, that already tells me what I need to know about their character and what kind of audience they're pandering to. From what I've seen from you I genuinely think you're very excited to play Endfield, are going to do your best to give it a fair shake, and if it's as enjoyable as we're all hoping it will be, it probably can become a regular game for your stream. Seeing that you were engaged enough to do a multi-hour lore stream on a game you don't play with no expectation that anybody would even tune in I think shows goodwill, and I hope the community has been welcoming - it seems like it has been. You have to give respect to get respect. What I read out of that post was an ask to not feed the drama of people coming in just actively looking for drama, and use that energy instead to positively reinforce content creators who are fans of the game and looking to build it up rather than tear it down.
@@MaximGachathere's something that I think that's being misunderstood here... The 'Gatekeeping' going on here is not because we hate tourists, it's because of the fear of trolls and oppressive individuals sneaking in and harassing others in the community. If people want to come in to play and enjoy, then go ahead, we welcome you with open arms; but, if they start some BS, then GTFO is what I say. we like to have a friendly community and we would like for it to stay that way. With Endfield getting plenty of attention from all sorts of people, we just want to ensure that genuine and civil players, content creators, or others would be able to enjoy the game and the community without being bullied or harassed. We've heard plenty of 'horror stories' of VAs and other people being harassed due to conflicting opinions or desires in other gachas, and we don't want any of that happening here. You mentioned something about just ignoring these trolls and not giving them the time of day unless some serious stuff comes up. I fully agree with you on this one. These trolls are narcissist, deprive them of attention and they will wither. Rather than giving these trolls attention, we're better off giving the victim the attention and make sure that there fine. Cyber bullying is no joke and it is something I heavily detest, words can hurt a person just as much as physical abuse.
That's right, most people won't even give it a chance. You should play games primarily for the gameplay because story, gacha, music, etc. is just a bonus or a side thing. And gameplay can't be objective, ever. One might praise PGR to high hell and me? I despise the combat system a lot. Even DMC5 was a slugfest, tbh. But that doesn't mean the game is bad, it's just 100% not for me.
Endfield has the most powerful natural gatekeeper: factory building. I'll welcome everyone in my beloved Arknights / Hypergryph community. Yes, even Tectone. I don't like that guy, but it's 100% his rights to play any game he wants. Just like you said in the description: be nice to everyone. But if the moment comes when him and his community bring so much negativity to Endfield, i believe we're smart enough to know how to handle things.
It's understandable that some people gatekeep the "tourists" or whatever from playing AK:EF since the community has been on a good place. And much like Arknights's slow start and "boring" looking gameplay filtered out some players, I feel EF will do just the same with their base building alone So if anything, just let the game speaks itself to the players. Some might like or hate, but at the end of the day, your fun at the game is the only thing that matters
I honestly don't mind new players joining in on enfield, but It's the toxic vocal side that I will be worried about that and its content creators such as the man who will not be named. I don't want there to be drama, but I know it will happen one way or another. No gacha game is safe from it. All I hope for is that the newer players at least give enfield a chance to see if they like it and if they do great they can also check out the orginal arknights for its content even if they don't want to play it. The arknights community is very friendly and welcoming but we can't just pretend that there isn't the bad side to the community either. I've been playing the orginal arknights far too long and the rush of new players through enfield will make some of the older players such as myself either happy or worried maybe a mix of both even.
i understand the concern but we already had that in 2020, ak is basically genshin before genshin and honestly im glad that genshin released because after that migration the community is feels way better. ima chalk it up to a ptsd
Arknight has history of having horrible people in community that kinda sorta ruin arknight a bit, until genshin appears and filter out all the toxic people, then new people get into arknight and we become nicer community
If you found a nice community then preserving and gatekeeping that community to the same nice person aint that bad but people just need to make a seperate group or subreddit at that point because convincing people like this poster aint way to tackle a situation. Heck he/she even brought more negativity to the game before the CC arrived. (Im not adressing your post btw just another thing to add to the discussion) I've been a day 1 AK player and most of the time I only spent it on KyoStinV community or the lore community because those guys are cracked AF especially the CN guys. You just gotta have to pick a spot not occupy the entire room.
Honestly, I get their point. The Arknights community is very chill at the moment, and in comparison to Wuwa, it is insane. There is literally no consistent Wuwa content creator that isn't entirely centric on drama and stirring the pot. It's absolutely insufferable and reflects poorly on the game, a lot moreso than if the community was incredibly gatekeep-y. However, I do think both with how intensive the Factorio style gameplay will be and how de-emphasised the combat will be will filter most of them out anyway.
My problem is with how toxic people start joining the community and it makes it hell to interact with the game online. Looking at the EN fandom for Genshin for example, I really do not want those people to join. To elaborate on this, I enjoy the lore discussions, good and edgy memes (Looking at you Doktahposting), art and strategy sharing; But when you look at the Genshin fandom, to give the biggest example, is people harassing artists over skin tone, ships, puritanism, etc.
Yeah I would hate this community to be filled with people like that, but I think they won’t anyways because the building will bore them to death and they will leave. Same like how somehow that side of the en fandoms hasn’t played R1999 yet (even though that game is exactly what they are looking for).
Arknights generally has a great community but given Tectones history with Arknights and the Genshin communities going after its competitors its not surprising they'd be on edge 😅
Omg… The T word… I never cared about his guides. But I’ll never forgive bro for his comment on Takdes’s arknights video; implying him to jump ship over to Genshin just because it was more popular. Bro is a snake, I’m glad I blocked his channel from showing up on my Recommendations. 😊
And that’s what you should do! Out of sight out of mind, wish more people could just block and move on instead of stirring a pot and catching others in the crossfire
i took a step further and found an extension that lets me hide videos(like leaks i didnt ask for) or channels i dont want to see ever(even during search), at least while im on pc. tbh i wish there's a block channel option built in on yt.
What he really needs to do is to be honest and exit not create a reason to exit nobody really hates it if he jumps over. Well damage already done but somehow he created some kind of fetish that likes being hated by every community 😅
1 of them T word is in my (other game) discord fella does not play Arknights but tells me that what they think is definitely right I have now fully ignored him
@SoulWhiteAngel except I was talking about a Tourist (lol) we already do not talk that often so... reducing it to 0 isn't... something really damaging, or even others noticed :/
On one hand arknights community is very welcoming and enthusiastic, on the other hand lots of complete pieces of shit out here, Tectone being a prime example of a dramabaiter in the early days of arknights
and yes, the best way to deal with them is look at what they are doing, realize they are not good for the community, ignore them. Not giving them views, ad revenue, etc. is what kicks them out
I don’t think the post is gatekeeping. It’s just stating a fact. Don’t give the bad faith actors clicks. There’s a big difference between giving meaningful criticism and just bashing a game because it’s not like Genshin. Already see comments on Endfield content talking about how Arknights is ‘poor quality game’ because it’s a chibi tower defense. So I think your take is a bit off. Not saying they can’t play the game just not gonna give them engagement.
Moral of the story: Having fun out there, staying receptive and excluding toxic elements. Thanks Maxim, hope youre enjoying your stay in Ak and later Endfield.
I think the game will find it's core audience that cares about the game and not needless drama and toxicity around 6 months into the launch of Endfield. till then I will be avoiding Tectone, his fans and largely anyone that associates with him like a plague. Genuinely all he has for Arknights and it's community is irrational hate and based on how he still keeps trying to create drama, he just ain't worth giving a second chance at all.
The only CC who I wouldn't want playing overall is Tectone, as he has a pretty toxic fanbase from my experience and is generally quite bitter towards the AK community so I don't see it going well if he comes back to it. Though if he genuinely comes back and doesn't create a whole bunch of drama, good on him, I won't care either way as I don't his watch kind of content in the first place, but his track record is not good in the communities he's been in so far.
Gatekeeping a singular person is the same as gatekeeping everyone, you may think it's not as bad but do remember it takes one little thing to make something explode. I get that people don't like him as a person but they can easily move on and just live their life.
@@ImproperStandby Yeah and thats what I do. I can say I'd prefer he not be in the community, but I'm not not gonna do anything about it outside of stating my opinion. First of all cause I have nowhere the clout to do anything more then that, but second of all cause I do believe that people should be given at least 1 chance, this doesn't mean I won't be skeptical of him, just that I highly doubt it'll go well.
@@nicholasjacobs6605 I keep away from drama and such since it's so tiring but I will say that a lot of people still are stuck in the past when it comes to these things. Tectone maybe loud and annoying to some but he presents a nuance in the space where you or others may not like it, but if you really get down to it he's just a human and you can ignore him or just move past what happened and then try to just let bygones be bygones. It's not easy to forgive someone, it's infact the hardest to do so but forgiving someone and then moving forward shows maturity and progress that one has grown.
@@ImproperStandby Its not about forgiveness, its about not trusting his intentions. He's shown throughout his career that he joins communities, creates drama and gets kicked out (not saying its always directly his fault, but he chooses the people he talks to and is around and he takes the risk being around them). I don't care enough about Tectone to feel personally slighted by him. The problem comes from the negative impact he has on communities where he will get into drama, get backlash, then put all the blame on the community who gave him backlash with very little nuance as to why he got backlash in the first place. The worst part is that he himself understands why he got the backlash but is doing it anyway to farm clicks and engagement. Now, he might have good moments and I just haven't seen them cause I don't watch his streams and the times that I see him in my feed is when he's got himself into some kind of crap flinging contest.
@@nicholasjacobs6605 I mean if you ask me, this sort of stuff goes both ways and regardless of what happens it really is up to the CC or the viewer to be their own judge. The thng is when it comes to these things there is two different side or rather two different viewpoints, you either hate him and despise his content so you never see his other side or you're the one who watches and sees his full side and his wrath. From what I see and I haven't dug around much, a lot of people take things at face value without digging in and then seeing the other sides of the story, the main issue is that a lot of people will just refuse to look at the other viewpoints and then run with the idea that they know the full story. If someone goes up tome and says x is bad because he did this and that then I would ask for proof and then if it comes true then I will form my own views rather than go with the common sentiment. I personally like to see two sides of someone before I make the judgement that x is bad and if both sides show they they are terrible then they are terrible in my eyes. This might seem like I'm defending him but to me he seems like a perfectly normal person who is just hated by a lot and loved by a few, they think of him like a bad guy because of what they have seen and refuse to change their mind. You can absolutely hate him and I won't try to change your mind or you can absolutely glaze him, either way I think more people just need to look at the whole picture rather than what they know already. TL:DR: There's seeing half of the picture and then there's seeing the full picture.
Gate keeping is a must for beta test. The game isn't even out yet and we are talking as if Endfield is something big. What if the game is bad at the launch itself, Then the Gatekeeping doesn't make sense right then. We need people with constructive feedback who understand what the game wants to be, not what they want it for themselves. Techtone suggested during a stream that they should remove Factory building or make it build itself. This kind of feedback is not good just because he doesn't like it doesn't mean dev should scrap the elements which makes it unique. You could suggest blueprint system thats a constructive feedback. So they need to filters this kind of beta testers. People who play games like factorio,satisfactory and FF series should be prioritize over people never played games other than gaccha games.
The producer for Endfield said it in the interview that they know base building isn't for everyone but they aren't make game for EVERYONE. That statement completly shut down w/e the shit he's yapping when representing himself as "casual" player.
Yeah man, I mean like some cc or people just said like "I don't like this, remove that" like bro it is what the company want. If they they don't like it then f off. Think it back, if you remove certain aspect of AK:EF, it already going to be wuwa2. We here to make unique stuff in the game is more fun and enjoyable not to make a second genshin or wuwa whatsoever
@@kay266_x for real BETA wuwa prologue was pretty special chixia pointing gun at rover head is honestly perfect but it becomes a standard harem story that's even worse than genshin in the final release. Just because a bunch of simp don't want any real character development, like dude it's just the prologue you can have your harem stuff later just let the story flow first damn stop watching anime and start playing premium/payed console or even premium game on mobile
I think the people filtering feedback will know that feedback like this would be considered junk feedback. They probably have some kind of feedback approval system and I think in the sections where they ask what games you play, they can figure out the differences.
I would argue that gatekeeping is necessary. If we don't gatekeep the community from toxic CCs, they will gatekeep the community/the game from potential players. At the end of the day, everyone wants every other player to enjoy the game, except toxic CCs who just want to farm dramas, flame the community, etc.
I think the game will filter them out by itself just because of the game's overall gameplay or looks. And when they get filtered out and starts to make stupid drama about the game or the community, just be the chill guy and ignore them :)
Before I say anything, I would like to note that the subreddit this post was made under (r/ArknightsEndfield) is the less moderated, less "main" subreddit of the two that exist. With the other, more prominent subreddit being the one which houses the Endfield reddit community majority (r/Endfield). The larger one is supported by the r/Arknights mods. Like most things, I think that 'gatekeeping' isn't a binary black & white issue. For starters, the term 'gatekeeping' isn't necessarily clearly defined. In the same vein as 'tourists', you're likely to hear different meanings for these terms depending on who you talk too. What actions pertain to 'gatekeeping' and how it is enforced will thus be different from person to person. I do agree with you that in most circumstances, simply ignoring individuals you're not a fan of is the best course of action. Even within the current Arknights community, there are a couple individuals who grate me the wrong way, so I just unrecommended them from my content recommendations. EZ. With that being said, there could be possible exceptions. When content creators, or in other words 'influencers', go out of their way to create drama and push said drama with their communities into the discourse of others, this can sour a lot of the friendly fun we enjoy together online. In addition, having these negative groups be a part of the overall game's community could make more friendly newcomers hesitant to join anything when they come looking in from the outside. Now, would 'gatekeeping' solve this? Probably not, but it's hard to say; because again it depends on what someone means by it. At least, I don't think it's wrong, in such a situation, to condemn the actions of harassers.
I agree with you, I think my major concern is just how it looks to people completely outside of both communities looking in. I don't want "tourists" with toxic chats to scare off potentially interested players that would actually stick around and enhance the community and the game. Obviously we're not going to avoid the tourists or their chats so I think we need to focus on what we can control which is how we show up differently. Whether we engage or not hopefully people can stay calm and mature in what they say and do and maybe external viewers will see that and acknowledge it. I think ignoring is a strong strategy but if we are going to "gatekeep" how do we do it in the most professional and mature manner possible that would show up well to an external observer?
I do agree that the community should be welcoming of newcomers and ignore bad actors (for the most part). The problem is that I have seen CCs that just farm drama and profit off of hate. This led to the formation of unimaginably toxic sub communities dedicated to hate and drama, which later started mass doxxing other people. I won't name the communities as I really don't want to give anyone a bad rep since these hate groups were relatively small compare to the overall communities. However, the damage dealt was widespread. My point is, bad actors need to be kept in control. For the most part, ignoring them is effective. When something is small, you don't want to provide a platform for the bad actors and expose them to a larger audience. However, this doesn't apply when the bad actor already has a large audience. In this case, ignoring them only empowers them and makes it worse. In this case, the bad actor needs to be shut down. This makes it tricky for a relatively small community like AK since the bad actor doesn't even need that large of an audience to be very destructive. It is also important to note that that fighting against bad actors can also lead to the enabling of problematic behaviour and formation of toxic communities, so encouraging people to "fight back" is also not ideal. Overall, ignoring is good as long as the bad actor has a small platform. Otherwise, some actions should take place. However, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, since the average gacha game player probably isn't well-trained enough. I mean, humans fail to do this even when it is not about video games and about something irl that really matters. : P
I welcome new players, I mean why wouldn't you want the game to be successful? I also welcome new content creators, if they are up for it. The only real problem I have, is just a few cc who does nothing, but drama farming for the sake of views. The Arknights community is really chill these days, and I hope Endfield will be the same.
I believe all of this "tourist" stuff began when content creators started to classify Endfield as the always-baity-title of "Genshin Killer", getting the attention of the worst of the playerbase of this game. Ignoring that kind of people wouldn't work, because they're usually the kind of people that lives and breathes toxicity, that's why people are calling for some "unity" among the AK fans. AK community has the precedent of certain CC whose name begins with "T", that for a while stirred up controversy and hate within us. Now he has a bigger fanbase and became an insufferable person. Back to the need of some unity. Again, all of this is a theory of mine. Hope that you and everybody interested in AK/Endfield, and even Ex Astris, don't feel insulted or ostricized after being called a "tourist", there's a lot of fans of Arknights welcoming new people interested in Terra and now Talos-II history.
I think the term tourist is actually a good thing ahah, it shows you have an interest and you aren’t going to be entirely knowledgeable. I call myself the ak tourist because I know next to nothing but I never take it negatively and not many people have tried to use it against me - it’s all love to the level headed AK fans from me❤️
The "Tourist" term originated from the blue archive community. The pedophiles within the BA community classify people who ostricized their game "Tourists". The term is used like along time from now, especially in their discord server, then it also spread on twitter coz of the gacha dramas. (I know because I played BA for years now and the community is pretty chill 👍👍). But Im not a pedo i swear xd.
@@yogi_gs Yeah, new players are just “newbies”. Think of it like the original meaning: a child born and raised in Australia isn’t a tourist (of Australia), but an American visiting Australia for a small time (even if they might choose to stay and live there later on) is a tourist. Fandom tourists are usually people ignorant or toxic towards staple fandom culture, and them being present for a long time or being a participant of the media itself isn’t really a factor.
hmm personally I'm not sure what to think of the situation, I have been a part of arknights community for a loooong time, I "grew up" on tectone "guides" and then slowly I started realizing that they were just... false... and only recently (I believe when he was reacting to AKEF) I heard him say "AK people were mad at me for spreading missinformation when I was just sharing my opinion". and yee I guess he just gets a though, no research and yeets into internet portrayed as a fact. and I see that this is kinda the meta for gatcha content, just yeet statements everywhere and then just say "it was my opinion". second thing that bothers me is CC's pushing meta dependency onto everyone, the videos of the type "YOU ARE SPENDING YOUR PULLS WRONG" or "X CHARACTER POWERCREPT, DON'T MISS OUT ON Y CHARACTER" are just... like whyyyy? at least in AK community that mostly ends at "showcasers" and there are like two or three only, and they still make very cool high end content when the tough events come. for other people, my main example would be Volkin.. its just like, I see no passion, no effort, no nothing, its just non-stop guides for new gacha games, that are also mostly his opinions that he got after like 2 hours of grinding. with those two exaples I guess I just dont want to be dealing with those people, I dont want them to become the face of the game, I hope that AKEF will be as flexible with playstyle as AK is, because most other gatchas just... arent, people are used to just going for meta, and I dont want your average johnny come into the game have fun and then get a video saying that what he was doing was wrong, there is no place for fun, only meta matters. I guess I get this guy, but he definitely is going wayy too harsh
man, weird people are coming. The reddit post is wild when you look at it. The OP said they hate the drama farming content creators from other gacha games and doesn't want more drama in Endfield, but they ask people to attack those drama CCs. Basically, asking for drama even before the game is out. These people need to help better things to care about. And play less gacha games I guess kekw
People get way too lost in the sauce it’s kinda sad, all the CC drama is always high school level antics - people need to chill lmao it’s never that deep like just ignore it all and enjoy what you enjoy
Although the OP made a contradicting statement of "never tolerate these fools" i think his main point is to simply not give attention to them as he said "NEVER GIVE THEM CLOUT". So what do you not understand here?
Everyone is a tourist except the og launch players. ( launch player btw). It is up to the person to transition to become a community member and arknight has a welcoming fanbase, so gatekeeping wont become a problem. However, there are people who just want to join the fad and have no genuine interest in arknight. Those people are the real worry. As for tectone, he was an og and not a tourist. He is worse. There are reasons why many CCs brand off to other games and abandon arknight and only kektone has a bad rep. After what he did, he has the gall to call the AK toxic. He is one of the few CCs I actively avoid
Yep. Being a tourist itself isn’t the problem (as literally all newcomers to a community/fandom are tourists), the issue is making demands or judgements of that community/media while being a tourist (either having a low time having been in the community or being ignorant as to how the majority community works-even long-time players/viewers can be tourists if they don’t understand the fandom culture). And yeah, I wouldn’t really call Tectone a tourist either. He was involved with the fandom (to a fault), and the only reason he specifically is desired to be gatekept is because he is a toxic individual in generall for every community he has been a part of. The tourist gatekeeping is a slightly different issue being tackled.
The world would be a better place if people just ignored reddit and twitter, it’s just a cesspool with lots of weird people. I feel like that has been an established fact for years now, yet people still keep on making videos about these people like it proves something (no blame to you in that regard.) As for gatekeeping, the game gatekeeps itself by nature of having niche things such as the basebuilding, which isn’t for anyone. And regarding the CC issue, while i feel like they’re blowing things out of proportion and being overly hostile, i do understand where they’re coming from. Because you can’t block anyone on youtube, so let’s say Tectone covers Endfield and starts kicking up a bunch of drama and making videos on it, that’s the first thing you’ll see if you search Endfield. Now i don’t know about anyone else, but i just want a chill feed with nice and funny CC’s when i type in Endfield, youtube’s poor filtering system will also push these video’s into the feed for normal AK, and while it isn’t the end of the world it can be pretty annoying if you’re just looking for something fun to watch. All in all, this wouldn’t even be a discussion if youtube didn’t remove the block channel extension, so this is on youtube i guess.
I mean gatekeeping is how Blue Archive has been doing well so far, although the game does gatekeep itself. No need for the community to become toxic there.
Idk if I want to engage with a 77 upvotes reddit post tbh. They are such minority. No offense. Well anyway people are free to try. If some folks I just don't vibe it I ignore them. Easy game easy life.
I should've prefaced its a linked article from the main subreddit of AK and has a bit more noise there and I understand its a minority but I've seen the same stance echoed around twitter and ak related community stuff - thought it was worth a quick word or two - no offense taken:D
The Factorio already filtered a lot of crazy people 🤣 Wuwa is already a warning story. To be fair if this negative people play it they'll just rant and go away if ignored but still, it's gonna have an effect for better or for worse.
Mate, I'll tell you what i think, everyone has the rights to play the game, veterans or not but if someone tries to make a fuzz in this community, you bet that the ones who stay here are gonna get angry at you and shooed you away like that bald guy who keeps baiting some hate for some reason
Heyo. What you are saying about gatekeeping toxicity is the same as how we should considering this post. Those Who love the game will play it and wont have any time to spare to those toxic ppl anyway. Its Just that we have nothing else to do while waiting the official release. Personnaly as a Day one OG ak player i didnt know what to think about you. Your previous vidéos about endfield were kinda pissing me off because you were like most of the ppl out there Just comparing the game to other games. But we cant do shit about it. Until we play it ourselves we cannot properly judge. And having so much criticism regarding an on going development game can be annoying but also beneficial to help refining the game. After watching your whole week Journey exploring arknights, its story, its community. I have to say that i see you in another Light. Like my first impression as someone Who dont follow you long enough to know more about you is similar to how you got interested in endfield even after droping the OG AK. Thus i am pleasantly surprised by your development and i am pleased to see how our community is such treasure towards ppl Who get interested in the game. Anyway thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic. Lets Just wait for the bêta to drop and the final release. I wont be able to care much about online ppl once i ll have the game in my hands anyway but for the time being its always a pleasure to spend quality time with those who are as hyped in unity as us. Peace.
I'm not person who leave comment and my English is not good either but yeah whatever. I'm hard disagree,why? Because we know something if not gatekeeping become much toxic. Example look at Blue Archive community at the outside its have bad reputation but the inside not really. Like are you prefer look bad outside but good inside or look good outside but bad inside? Ofc I prefer the first, what make the community is the people inside not the outside. And the Blue Archive game still alive until now. Another example like anime who become mainstream now, yeah before weebs itself have bad reputation but the drama not a lot like now. Now anime become mainstream the bad reputation not really appear but holy shit the drama this drama that like can u just don't do anything anime related if u hate something common in anime related. I prefer the "old days" when if someone hate weebs just hate it at the outside, now if someone hate it is just destroying at the inside. That why gatekeeping is must if u don't wanna ur favorite thing destroyed from the inside, because look bad at the outside not really bad compared to become bad at the inside. I don't even know is someone understand my paragraph because my shitty English but eh.
Exactly, Blue Archive community is probably one of the best. I hate how 'modern audience' attack BA community insulting everyone who don't support they twisted believes and headcanons.
Gatekeeping is great, you just let people know what type of product it is, and why it might not be for them before they experience it themselves and potentially shit on it for no reason other than “it’s not for them”… we need more gatekeeping to protect our favourite franchises from getting too popular than how it needs to be. What’s wrong is unreasonable hate deceit, badmouthing or spreading misinformation whether it is to protect or attack someone or something, don’t get it confused with gatekeeping
The hard thing about Gate keeping the game is that outside community thinks that gatekeeping Endfeild makes the community automatically toxic making the game have a bad reputation, like how the G word and AK drama few years ago(AK was just chilling until somebody disturbed the hive lmao) making both game have quite the reputation after, just because of character design and that's also 1 of the reason why the hardcore AK players started to gatekeep so much, so hopefully when the game releases there's no drama for the sake of MY WIFE CHEN OF COURSE.
Just don't take the initial drama too seriously and enjoy the game. I haven't played that many gacha but following the scene, pretty much every new popular new title will get a fair share of drama during it's initial months. All it takes is a single magical word "genshin" on popular video of new gacha and the floodgates are open. It made me feel bad for Genshin players. At least for other gacha, once the initial drama ends, they are fine for the most part. But for genshin, it's new war every time new hype gacha comes out.
Here are my Endfield prediction and takes on what will happen in the future - Arknights audience are most likely chill and welcoming (just ignore the twitter audience we don't count that) and they will most unlikely welcome Tectone as an Endfield creator (well I mean every gacha community hates him sooo its not gonna be new) - if Endfield is slightly improved version of technical test, like for the honeymoon phase then the gameplay might be 40% action/story finishing and 60% satisfacory then later in endgame we can focus on farming and lastly industry optimization - I heard that the first up to the end of techincal test the story campaign is kinda bad and almost boring (WHICH IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO ARKNIGHTS TOO LIKE CHAPTER 7-8 WHERE THE REAL DEAL HAPPEN)i if they keep it that way then the lore enjoyers might not get into the game for the long time unless Hypergriph will do the same thing like they did in Arknights. - follow up into the lore, I hope they drastically change the beta story direction so more poeple can get into. - My prediction in the future that endfield audience may have lower count than Genshin/HSR and wuwa audience volume after the honeymoon phase because satisfactory genre is not for general audience UNLESS they change how the endgame goes (I'm honestly fine with this) - (prediction) Surtr and angelina will be the first meta 😂😂😂 and the meme "just surtr it" will rise again - If there's a Contingency Contract Event in endfield, this will be the horror for the cozy players but a happiest moments for the dark soul enjoyers 🤣 feel free to disagree with my takes because I only type this without doing research or browsing TBH thanks!
I don't think either side is completely wrong in this argument. On one side, gatekeeping is in no way acceptable as it hinders the game's overall growth due to less players being there who could potentially support the game financially. On the other hand, just because any problematic ccs can be ignored individually it does not necessarily mean they won't cause just as much/even more damage to the game as the gatekeepers. When they are drama farming they can push whatever narrative that suites it which can lead to people who are not part of the community/never played the game to see the game as toxic or see the community as toxic overall instead of the minority which can lead to a lot of potential players not joining because of those reasons whether they are true or not. Personally, I don't care who comes in to play so long as they are open minded and willing to enjoy at least some aspects of the game and I'm willing to hear any genuine criticism of the game but I personally am not going to engage with any ccs that are farming drama and would recommend that others in the community do the same and instead spread more productive engagement to any new ccs/players so that the community looks great overall to anyone willing to check it out while denying drama ccs from getting any content to milk out of the community by simply not engaging so that they either stop drama farming or simply leave the community
I personally really want new people to enter the AK community casue you know, the more the merrier, but i know this will come with some bad people, especially some from the hoyoverse community since they're the ones that make drama the most like the Natlan drama where they said that hoyoverse wasn't representing that culture right because the characters were too white (it's funny cause AK having a shit ton of racism in Lore has almost zero racism in the community) or the recent one where they said they changed a character personality but they just didn't read the story or similar things plus they're also kinda weird. Anyways as the comments say, AK already has a filter that being the base building, the gameplay not being super flashi, not being an open world game and the characters barely being sexualized. Drama will happen anyways cause no recent gacha is safe from it but i think and i hope it won't be that big, i believe the most part of it will be due to CC's form that one community that will compare, say it's slow, say its a genshin copy and things like that. Gatekeeping isn't the way to go, just ignore the bad people and don't give them the attention they want and they will eventually go and seek attention somewhere else
Thank you youtube algo for showing me a video to a game i never played, but sure. Hello from Blue Archive gambling community. The game that "gatekeeps itself" (it kinda doesn't) If you don't seek infoguides on reddit, don't use it. Don't take anything they say on anything - ANYTHING - opinion-based. Unless it's "how to beat %boss% at %difficulty%, never use reddit. So, to begin with, what is called "tourism"? Well, it's not "unskilled players going into the game". These get all the help they ask for. "Tourists that need to be gatekept" are essentially the "Johnny Somali" of gacha. People who come into the game, more often then not not even playing it ("oh i just like certain characters"), and those that actively seek to tone down, censor and call out the fanbase as certain type of criminals for liking anime waifus. And by "actively seek" i mean up to doxxing and gameending threats. These people fail to bond with the MC. To these people, it's not a "literally me frfr", it's anywhere from "fat incel chud" to adobe's favourite file format (.pdf) These people are not your friends, they seek to destroy everything you stand for and love. Don't negotiate with them. tldr: "tourists" have malicious intent, gatekeep on sight. "Noobs" aren't tourists. Neutrally curious people aren't tourists.
Thank you for understanding and knowing what tourists really are! (Also, /) from a fellow brony! We didn’t ever have to gatekeep because our interest was too niche back then to even draw outsiders in very much, and our community really was something beautiful.)
Great video. Been loving your content. I understand your opinion of just ignore but i think the reddit post is referring to those uber toxic people that sometimes (not so subtly) target other creators. But also regarding big streamers that jump from game to game, while doing so they leave some people that still play the game so its not an issue, but a boon of a creator player base. I think the main issue will be the horrible exceptions that may be brought, but you can always kill with kindness. Stay well
6:10 Gatekeeping and being welcoming are not mutually exclusive things. Blue Archive is welcoming while also having the best gatekeeping community, and their fandom thrives and isn’t assaulted by tourists because of it. I don’t want Endfield to harbor the Hoyoverse fanbase and destroy it on the inside. The gameplay isn’t as much of a gatekeep as people here think it is (Tectone still played Arknights after all even if his stage clears were stolen from CN players). As long as people like him are outside of Endfield and choose to trash it, then we can then choose to ignore or meme on him and others mocking the game (like the Goldenglow “oversexualized” tweeter). But we shouldn’t allow invasions because it can poison and dismantle an entire community. We have living proof with the animememes subreddit and active proof with Hoyoverse game communities. I’d rather have the community of Arknights we have now, welcoming to newbies like Clay and Lucina while choosing to block out negative individuals like Ren.
Endfield has an innate Filter, but there can be a good part of community that will gatekeep and will gatekeep hard. But our community have gained a bias to being bad. But i agree we should ignoring. We may lost some new players bcuz content creators is influencer. But the truth always shows up if want to try the game, go ahead an try.
Nah, we cool, pretty they sure they'll show themselves out the door the moment they understand that we literally have Factorio as one of the main aspects of the game and FF/Xenoblade combat that most of them haven't played as those aren't exactly "Free". Pretty smart of HG to make something that looks like accessible to these people only for the devs to place stuffs that they're not willing to sit down and learn at all.
There will be a lot of content creators trying Arknights Endfield because it's new and has modern graphics and mechanics. However, most of them will be gone in a month anyway. As much as people drama farm they also farm new games for views. I agree with the sentiment of "the best way to react to people you don't like is to just ignore them and move on with your life". Hate watching toxic or dramatic content creators just gives them what they want. Likewise, engaging with trolls online just gives them what they want. I will try to engage with people with different opinions or ideas than me online but the second I realize that they're just ignoring everything I say apart from cherry picking whatever weakness they can attempt to attack in order to "beat" me, I just block them. Sadly that is probably the most common occurrence and you can pretty quickly tell when someone didn't actually read what you wrote and just fixated on 1 sentence, phrase, or word.
I don't think gatekeeping exist in Endfield because the game itself will filter the player like AK did, I bet on it release Endfield will be flooded by new players & CCs but many will quit in few weeks which understandable but one thing AK community hate the most is content drama (specifically the bad one), you can hate the game & shit talk it but create & farm drama or calling other fandom to attack the community is big no.
God....the reddit side.... I wish we could ignore them. Reddit is the most toxic for any community. *sigh* Yes dont gatekeep. Let anyone play. If you dont like who they are dont watch.
Reddit is always inviting of toxicity which SUCKS, but it's the main point of the video that these people don't represent the good and level headed people within the community:D
It's not only reddit, TH-cam too, but yes, reddit is the most I must say... However... The bait as TH-cam daily user.... Is almost unbearable like that one time when there is a certain upload...
@@MaximGacha considering the build up, we might want to see how things turn out, perhaps at mid January on the test, or when the final product comes out
I don't think you can "gatekeep" a free game tho? traditionally newcomers would be unsure to pay for a new game title or not, so they look into the game's community and gatekeeping happens there, but for a free game it's just way easier to just try it out
Fr though I think people should just reset now especially the people in reddit like bro its not that deep. Also kind of shocked that the poster is not even a AK player lol. No hate to him but I was expecting someone who does.
its not a must to play the original arknights, Endfield is based in the future by a gap so big you can go in blind - if you like lore and little nods and references it might help to look up 'terrastorian' and watch his videos:D
No, Endfield's gameplay is more like Xenoblade/FF/Factorio rather than TD Also, the timeline is set about 900 years after the current year 1101 of Terra, so like 90% of the OG casts is probably dead maybe except for the Sarkaz, Beast Lords or fragments/avatars of the Feranmuts
The "Modern Audience" are braindead people that don't buy and play games, but they want feel included and force their own ideology everywhere. Basically SJW activist, game journalist that aren't actually gamers. They will attack everyone who don't support their headcanons and mindless opinions, but when somebody talk back they will say "I am victim of ... (homophobia, transfobia, racism, mysoginism and so on)". This kind of people is exactly what destroy AAA games industry, forcing DEI and ESG.
The "Modern Audience" are braindead people that don't buy and play games, but they want feel included and force their own ideology everywhere. Basically SJW activist, game journalist that aren't actually gamers. They will attack everyone who don't support their headcanons and mindless opinions, but when somebody talk back they will say "I am victim of ...". This kind of people is exactly what destroy AAA games industry, forcing DEI and ESG.
The "Modern Audience" are people that don't buy and play games, but they want feel included and force their own ideology everywhere. Basically activist, game journalist that aren't actually gamers. They will attack everyone who don't support their headcanons and mindless opinions, but when somebody talkback they will say "I am victim of ...". (TH-cam remove my previous comment for violating "rules" 🖕)
Completely agree with everything said in this video. I've been playing arknights since pretty much the beginning and I think all of the gatekeeping is dumb. I hope endfield brings more people into the community as a fan of arknights. I started watching you as well recently because of your arknights reactions. Glad to have you interested as well. Let's all have fun and play arknights together.
As an Arknights Vet I get the idea of gatekeeping, but it’s scary to think these tactics are being considered. Personally I want to give people a chance but if they are trouble it is honestly best not to even engage anyone troublesome. I’d like it to be all good times but some of this stuff is inevitable so I’m just hoping everyone sorta regulates themselves.
As Agent K sad in MiD 1 "A Person Is Smart. People Are Dumb, Panicky, Dangerous Animals And You Know It.". I think many didnt even know why the snowball started in the first place. But now? Confirmation bias of many in the comynity and Tectons own behavior lead us to this state of things)
*Gatekeep* 1st you need a PC powerful enough to even attempt to play. That 32GB alone will he the horror for the mass, and the laughing soud of hardware manufacturer echo through the bank's hall. *Arknight: Endfield. The next Crysis!*
gatekeep? are you insulting the players by thinking that they will just believe on content creator and decide from there if they want to play or not to play a game? you underestimate people. ofcourse they will play regardless if other people says its bad because its subjective. this video is full of shit.
HEY EVERYONE!
I just want endfield to be enjoyed by as many people as possible because as the saying goes 'the more the merrier'. I'm not advocating or trying to insinuate drama should come to this community (it's gacha, it will happen whether we like it or not but its always avoidable!) I'm simply just wanting everyone to jump in and community and streamers alike to enjoy the game at its core - drama is always between people and not the game itself, it's never that deep.
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If this content isn't why you subbed or follow my channel I won't be offended if you choose to unsub and join other communities, I've been a very opinionated person as long as this channel has existed and with the recent boom we had with arknights week I understand if you may have got the wrong impression - no hard feelings and take care
This is absolutely wrong saying and gatekeeping has been shown to be objectively good and absolutely necessary in many cases. Lack of gatekeeping is why things like Concord and many others happen. It is how companies like Sweet Baby Inc. got to power.
Concord was a failure because of venture capitalists not knowing what people want, that is like comparing apples to racecars dude - gatekeeping is only good for people who hate tourists (which shouldn’t be a negative word but somehow, it is) who want to enter a community that unfortunately is ruled by an iron fist, you might THINK it’s good but to throw the word ‘objective’ in there is objectively wrong.
@@MaximGacha Nope it is demonstratively correct. The current state of American comics, film industry, gaming industry - literally all of these show that I am objectively right in saying that gatekeeping is in many cases is necessary and good thing. It is necessary to make sure that things you love stay the things you love and dont change into something else.
I think if people are entering a community in good faith, then all power to them. If the intent from the get-go was never about being excited to play the game but just to stir drama, farm some views and then go back to your own group and shit all over that community then no, I don't think that kind of bad faith effort is welcome. I think people are skeptical of motives here given what's happened in the past, and I find it hard to blame them. Some kind of good-faith gesture would go a long way here, but I'm not holding my breath on that one. When I see a stream of somebody constantly calling people they don't like the r-word, that already tells me what I need to know about their character and what kind of audience they're pandering to.
From what I've seen from you I genuinely think you're very excited to play Endfield, are going to do your best to give it a fair shake, and if it's as enjoyable as we're all hoping it will be, it probably can become a regular game for your stream. Seeing that you were engaged enough to do a multi-hour lore stream on a game you don't play with no expectation that anybody would even tune in I think shows goodwill, and I hope the community has been welcoming - it seems like it has been. You have to give respect to get respect.
What I read out of that post was an ask to not feed the drama of people coming in just actively looking for drama, and use that energy instead to positively reinforce content creators who are fans of the game and looking to build it up rather than tear it down.
@@MaximGachathere's something that I think that's being misunderstood here... The 'Gatekeeping' going on here is not because we hate tourists, it's because of the fear of trolls and oppressive individuals sneaking in and harassing others in the community. If people want to come in to play and enjoy, then go ahead, we welcome you with open arms; but, if they start some BS, then GTFO is what I say.
we like to have a friendly community and we would like for it to stay that way. With Endfield getting plenty of attention from all sorts of people, we just want to ensure that genuine and civil players, content creators, or others would be able to enjoy the game and the community without being bullied or harassed. We've heard plenty of 'horror stories' of VAs and other people being harassed due to conflicting opinions or desires in other gachas, and we don't want any of that happening here.
You mentioned something about just ignoring these trolls and not giving them the time of day unless some serious stuff comes up. I fully agree with you on this one. These trolls are narcissist, deprive them of attention and they will wither. Rather than giving these trolls attention, we're better off giving the victim the attention and make sure that there fine. Cyber bullying is no joke and it is something I heavily detest, words can hurt a person just as much as physical abuse.
Endfield already has an automatic gatekeeping by not being a super flashy action hack n slash gacha overworld game
That's right, most people won't even give it a chance. You should play games primarily for the gameplay because story, gacha, music, etc. is just a bonus or a side thing. And gameplay can't be objective, ever. One might praise PGR to high hell and me? I despise the combat system a lot. Even DMC5 was a slugfest, tbh. But that doesn't mean the game is bad, it's just 100% not for me.
Are there any drama content creators in the Factorio/Dyson Sphere community then? /s
This made me giggle lmao thank you🫡 never thought of it like that:)
@@kent1686 Not really, more like people didn't like the director for Factorio being so based (He's Czech, it's a requirement to be based).
The factory comes equipped with industrial grade filters.
Endfield has the most powerful natural gatekeeper: factory building.
I'll welcome everyone in my beloved Arknights / Hypergryph community. Yes, even Tectone. I don't like that guy, but it's 100% his rights to play any game he wants.
Just like you said in the description: be nice to everyone.
But if the moment comes when him and his community bring so much negativity to Endfield, i believe we're smart enough to know how to handle things.
this is a great point of view to have, respect
It's understandable that some people gatekeep the "tourists" or whatever from playing AK:EF since the community has been on a good place. And much like Arknights's slow start and "boring" looking gameplay filtered out some players, I feel EF will do just the same with their base building alone
So if anything, just let the game speaks itself to the players. Some might like or hate, but at the end of the day, your fun at the game is the only thing that matters
THANK YOU!!! Other peoples opinions shouldn’t sway anyone individual enjoyment, it’s something I never understood when it comes to gacha communities:(
@MaximGacha People just want to be special nowadays, man. It is what it is
I honestly don't mind new players joining in on enfield, but It's the toxic vocal side that I will be worried about that and its content creators such as the man who will not be named. I don't want there to be drama, but I know it will happen one way or another. No gacha game is safe from it.
All I hope for is that the newer players at least give enfield a chance to see if they like it and if they do great they can also check out the orginal arknights for its content even if they don't want to play it.
The arknights community is very friendly and welcoming but we can't just pretend that there isn't the bad side to the community either.
I've been playing the orginal arknights far too long and the rush of new players through enfield will make some of the older players such as myself either happy or worried maybe a mix of both even.
i understand the concern but we already had that in 2020, ak is basically genshin before genshin and honestly im glad that genshin released because after that migration the community is feels way better. ima chalk it up to a ptsd
Arknight has history of having horrible people in community that kinda sorta ruin arknight a bit, until genshin appears and filter out all the toxic people, then new people get into arknight and we become nicer community
If you found a nice community then preserving and gatekeeping that community to the same nice person aint that bad but people just need to make a seperate group or subreddit at that point because convincing people like this poster aint way to tackle a situation. Heck he/she even brought more negativity to the game before the CC arrived. (Im not adressing your post btw just another thing to add to the discussion)
I've been a day 1 AK player and most of the time I only spent it on KyoStinV community or the lore community because those guys are cracked AF especially the CN guys. You just gotta have to pick a spot not occupy the entire room.
@@wood5241 I do agree, I don't think gatekeeping games is a good thing
@@syamelkiller5804Ironically tectone bring all the toxic player to genshin .
@@wood5241 I mean of people like Kektone came back to a community clearly he hates then it is just
Honestly, I get their point. The Arknights community is very chill at the moment, and in comparison to Wuwa, it is insane. There is literally no consistent Wuwa content creator that isn't entirely centric on drama and stirring the pot. It's absolutely insufferable and reflects poorly on the game, a lot moreso than if the community was incredibly gatekeep-y. However, I do think both with how intensive the Factorio style gameplay will be and how de-emphasised the combat will be will filter most of them out anyway.
My problem is with how toxic people start joining the community and it makes it hell to interact with the game online.
Looking at the EN fandom for Genshin for example, I really do not want those people to join.
To elaborate on this, I enjoy the lore discussions, good and edgy memes (Looking at you Doktahposting), art and strategy sharing; But when you look at the Genshin fandom, to give the biggest example, is people harassing artists over skin tone, ships, puritanism, etc.
Yeah I would hate this community to be filled with people like that, but I think they won’t anyways because the building will bore them to death and they will leave. Same like how somehow that side of the en fandoms hasn’t played R1999 yet (even though that game is exactly what they are looking for).
Arknights generally has a great community but given Tectones history with Arknights and the Genshin communities going after its competitors its not surprising they'd be on edge 😅
Omg… The T word…
I never cared about his guides.
But I’ll never forgive bro for his comment on Takdes’s arknights video; implying him to jump ship over to Genshin just because it was more popular.
Bro is a snake, I’m glad I blocked his channel from showing up on my Recommendations. 😊
And that’s what you should do! Out of sight out of mind, wish more people could just block and move on instead of stirring a pot and catching others in the crossfire
i took a step further and found an extension that lets me hide videos(like leaks i didnt ask for) or channels i dont want to see ever(even during search), at least while im on pc. tbh i wish there's a block channel option built in on yt.
What he really needs to do is to be honest and exit not create a reason to exit nobody really hates it if he jumps over. Well damage already done but somehow he created some kind of fetish that likes being hated by every community 😅
Let's ignore him to oblivion
The attention and baits he garners isn't worth the notice.
just call them (Tectone) by name
Just Let bygones be bygones
Its been years
1 of them T word is in my (other game) discord
fella does not play Arknights but tells me that what they think is definitely right
I have now fully ignored him
just call them (Tectone) by name
Just Let bygones be bygones
Its been years its fine to ignore them though nothing wrong with that
@SoulWhiteAngel except I was talking about a Tourist (lol)
we already do not talk that often so... reducing it to 0 isn't... something really damaging, or even others noticed :/
@chaos_aurelius oh well thats fair. Most just associate it to tectone
@@SoulWhiteAngel fair, though we also have another T-name in TwilledL
@chaos_aurelius sounds familiar
I mean, we dont even need to gatekeep AK: END in first place, the base building gonna do it by itself
To be fair, the gameplay will gatekeep itself.
Loving the factory building aspect though so count many of us in!
We don't care about who gonna play Endfields
We just want the T-word to never resurface upon Arknights community ever again
Tectone?
On one hand arknights community is very welcoming and enthusiastic, on the other hand lots of complete pieces of shit out here, Tectone being a prime example of a dramabaiter in the early days of arknights
and yes, the best way to deal with them is look at what they are doing, realize they are not good for the community, ignore them. Not giving them views, ad revenue, etc. is what kicks them out
I don’t think the post is gatekeeping. It’s just stating a fact. Don’t give the bad faith actors clicks. There’s a big difference between giving meaningful criticism and just bashing a game because it’s not like Genshin.
Already see comments on Endfield content talking about how Arknights is ‘poor quality game’ because it’s a chibi tower defense.
So I think your take is a bit off. Not saying they can’t play the game just not gonna give them engagement.
Moral of the story: Having fun out there, staying receptive and excluding toxic elements. Thanks Maxim, hope youre enjoying your stay in Ak and later Endfield.
Thank you! Living the Ak change of things on my channel and just wanted to keep things positive:D
I think the game will find it's core audience that cares about the game and not needless drama and toxicity around 6 months into the launch of Endfield.
till then I will be avoiding Tectone, his fans and largely anyone that associates with him like a plague. Genuinely all he has for Arknights and it's community is irrational hate and based on how he still keeps trying to create drama, he just ain't worth giving a second chance at all.
The only CC who I wouldn't want playing overall is Tectone, as he has a pretty toxic fanbase from my experience and is generally quite bitter towards the AK community so I don't see it going well if he comes back to it. Though if he genuinely comes back and doesn't create a whole bunch of drama, good on him, I won't care either way as I don't his watch kind of content in the first place, but his track record is not good in the communities he's been in so far.
Gatekeeping a singular person is the same as gatekeeping everyone, you may think it's not as bad but do remember it takes one little thing to make something explode.
I get that people don't like him as a person but they can easily move on and just live their life.
@@ImproperStandby Yeah and thats what I do. I can say I'd prefer he not be in the community, but I'm not not gonna do anything about it outside of stating my opinion. First of all cause I have nowhere the clout to do anything more then that, but second of all cause I do believe that people should be given at least 1 chance, this doesn't mean I won't be skeptical of him, just that I highly doubt it'll go well.
@@nicholasjacobs6605 I keep away from drama and such since it's so tiring but I will say that a lot of people still are stuck in the past when it comes to these things. Tectone maybe loud and annoying to some but he presents a nuance in the space where you or others may not like it, but if you really get down to it he's just a human and you can ignore him or just move past what happened and then try to just let bygones be bygones.
It's not easy to forgive someone, it's infact the hardest to do so but forgiving someone and then moving forward shows maturity and progress that one has grown.
@@ImproperStandby Its not about forgiveness, its about not trusting his intentions. He's shown throughout his career that he joins communities, creates drama and gets kicked out (not saying its always directly his fault, but he chooses the people he talks to and is around and he takes the risk being around them). I don't care enough about Tectone to feel personally slighted by him. The problem comes from the negative impact he has on communities where he will get into drama, get backlash, then put all the blame on the community who gave him backlash with very little nuance as to why he got backlash in the first place. The worst part is that he himself understands why he got the backlash but is doing it anyway to farm clicks and engagement. Now, he might have good moments and I just haven't seen them cause I don't watch his streams and the times that I see him in my feed is when he's got himself into some kind of crap flinging contest.
@@nicholasjacobs6605 I mean if you ask me, this sort of stuff goes both ways and regardless of what happens it really is up to the CC or the viewer to be their own judge.
The thng is when it comes to these things there is two different side or rather two different viewpoints, you either hate him and despise his content so you never see his other side or you're the one who watches and sees his full side and his wrath.
From what I see and I haven't dug around much, a lot of people take things at face value without digging in and then seeing the other sides of the story, the main issue is that a lot of people will just refuse to look at the other viewpoints and then run with the idea that they know the full story.
If someone goes up tome and says x is bad because he did this and that then I would ask for proof and then if it comes true then I will form my own views rather than go with the common sentiment. I personally like to see two sides of someone before I make the judgement that x is bad and if both sides show they they are terrible then they are terrible in my eyes.
This might seem like I'm defending him but to me he seems like a perfectly normal person who is just hated by a lot and loved by a few, they think of him like a bad guy because of what they have seen and refuse to change their mind. You can absolutely hate him and I won't try to change your mind or you can absolutely glaze him, either way I think more people just need to look at the whole picture rather than what they know already.
TL:DR: There's seeing half of the picture and then there's seeing the full picture.
I bet it’s that one guy specifically everyone should know about that got basically banished from Arknights
Gate keeping is a must for beta test.
The game isn't even out yet and we are talking as if Endfield is something big. What if the game is bad at the launch itself, Then the Gatekeeping doesn't make sense right then.
We need people with constructive feedback who understand what the game wants to be, not what they want it for themselves. Techtone suggested during a stream that they should remove Factory building or make it build itself. This kind of feedback is not good just because he doesn't like it doesn't mean dev should scrap the elements which makes it unique. You could suggest blueprint system thats a constructive feedback. So they need to filters this kind of beta testers.
People who play games like factorio,satisfactory and FF series should be prioritize over people never played games other than gaccha games.
The producer for Endfield said it in the interview that they know base building isn't for everyone but they aren't make game for EVERYONE.
That statement completly shut down w/e the shit he's yapping when representing himself as "casual" player.
Yeah man, I mean like some cc or people just said like "I don't like this, remove that" like bro it is what the company want. If they they don't like it then f off. Think it back, if you remove certain aspect of AK:EF, it already going to be wuwa2. We here to make unique stuff in the game is more fun and enjoyable not to make a second genshin or wuwa whatsoever
@@kay266_x for real BETA wuwa prologue was pretty special chixia pointing gun at rover head is honestly perfect but it becomes a standard harem story that's even worse than genshin in the final release. Just because a bunch of simp don't want any real character development, like dude it's just the prologue you can have your harem stuff later just let the story flow first damn stop watching anime and start playing premium/payed console or even premium game on mobile
I think the people filtering feedback will know that feedback like this would be considered junk feedback. They probably have some kind of feedback approval system and I think in the sections where they ask what games you play, they can figure out the differences.
let's just have fun, ignore the bad things embrace the goo things
*GOO?! YOU MEAN DILONGOO?!?!?!!??!?*
Open the gate, Laurent will one day return by this path.
The return of god king Laurent will soon happen, but hasnt laurent began to like ak before they faded to the realm of shadow
Only tectone that ak community hate, that person gonna shit on ak no matter what happens
I would argue that gatekeeping is necessary. If we don't gatekeep the community from toxic CCs, they will gatekeep the community/the game from potential players. At the end of the day, everyone wants every other player to enjoy the game, except toxic CCs who just want to farm dramas, flame the community, etc.
I think the game will filter them out by itself just because of the game's overall gameplay or looks. And when they get filtered out and starts to make stupid drama about the game or the community, just be the chill guy and ignore them :)
Before I say anything, I would like to note that the subreddit this post was made under (r/ArknightsEndfield) is the less moderated, less "main" subreddit of the two that exist. With the other, more prominent subreddit being the one which houses the Endfield reddit community majority (r/Endfield). The larger one is supported by the r/Arknights mods.
Like most things, I think that 'gatekeeping' isn't a binary black & white issue. For starters, the term 'gatekeeping' isn't necessarily clearly defined. In the same vein as 'tourists', you're likely to hear different meanings for these terms depending on who you talk too. What actions pertain to 'gatekeeping' and how it is enforced will thus be different from person to person. I do agree with you that in most circumstances, simply ignoring individuals you're not a fan of is the best course of action. Even within the current Arknights community, there are a couple individuals who grate me the wrong way, so I just unrecommended them from my content recommendations. EZ.
With that being said, there could be possible exceptions. When content creators, or in other words 'influencers', go out of their way to create drama and push said drama with their communities into the discourse of others, this can sour a lot of the friendly fun we enjoy together online. In addition, having these negative groups be a part of the overall game's community could make more friendly newcomers hesitant to join anything when they come looking in from the outside. Now, would 'gatekeeping' solve this? Probably not, but it's hard to say; because again it depends on what someone means by it. At least, I don't think it's wrong, in such a situation, to condemn the actions of harassers.
I agree with you, I think my major concern is just how it looks to people completely outside of both communities looking in. I don't want "tourists" with toxic chats to scare off potentially interested players that would actually stick around and enhance the community and the game.
Obviously we're not going to avoid the tourists or their chats so I think we need to focus on what we can control which is how we show up differently. Whether we engage or not hopefully people can stay calm and mature in what they say and do and maybe external viewers will see that and acknowledge it.
I think ignoring is a strong strategy but if we are going to "gatekeep" how do we do it in the most professional and mature manner possible that would show up well to an external observer?
Definitely an agree. Gatekeeping isn't the way to go, but somehow the community tries to stop toxicity by being toxic...
Hypocrisy in gacha is like finding out life exists on earth ehehe
Gatekeeping isn’t toxic, it is valuable to keep a game fanbase healthy. It’s what keeps Blue Archive healthy while Hoyoverse fans suffer.
I do agree that the community should be welcoming of newcomers and ignore bad actors (for the most part). The problem is that I have seen CCs that just farm drama and profit off of hate. This led to the formation of unimaginably toxic sub communities dedicated to hate and drama, which later started mass doxxing other people. I won't name the communities as I really don't want to give anyone a bad rep since these hate groups were relatively small compare to the overall communities. However, the damage dealt was widespread.
My point is, bad actors need to be kept in control. For the most part, ignoring them is effective. When something is small, you don't want to provide a platform for the bad actors and expose them to a larger audience. However, this doesn't apply when the bad actor already has a large audience. In this case, ignoring them only empowers them and makes it worse. In this case, the bad actor needs to be shut down. This makes it tricky for a relatively small community like AK since the bad actor doesn't even need that large of an audience to be very destructive.
It is also important to note that that fighting against bad actors can also lead to the enabling of problematic behaviour and formation of toxic communities, so encouraging people to "fight back" is also not ideal.
Overall, ignoring is good as long as the bad actor has a small platform. Otherwise, some actions should take place. However, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, since the average gacha game player probably isn't well-trained enough. I mean, humans fail to do this even when it is not about video games and about something irl that really matters. : P
Maybe Except Bald Guy
Just ignore him.
He will use the drama for his own content so better just ignore him.
@@yogi_gs this
him and the idiots will keep being idiots but people keep engaging when all they need to do is not
@@yogi_gs The best thing? He didnt even hide it) Hes prety much farming rageposts\videos and wery open about it)
I welcome new players, I mean why wouldn't you want the game to be successful? I also welcome new content creators, if they are up for it. The only real problem I have, is just a few cc who does nothing, but drama farming for the sake of views. The Arknights community is really chill these days, and I hope Endfield will be the same.
I believe all of this "tourist" stuff began when content creators started to classify Endfield as the always-baity-title of "Genshin Killer", getting the attention of the worst of the playerbase of this game. Ignoring that kind of people wouldn't work, because they're usually the kind of people that lives and breathes toxicity, that's why people are calling for some "unity" among the AK fans.
AK community has the precedent of certain CC whose name begins with "T", that for a while stirred up controversy and hate within us. Now he has a bigger fanbase and became an insufferable person. Back to the need of some unity. Again, all of this is a theory of mine.
Hope that you and everybody interested in AK/Endfield, and even Ex Astris, don't feel insulted or ostricized after being called a "tourist", there's a lot of fans of Arknights welcoming new people interested in Terra and now Talos-II history.
I think the term tourist is actually a good thing ahah, it shows you have an interest and you aren’t going to be entirely knowledgeable. I call myself the ak tourist because I know next to nothing but I never take it negatively and not many people have tried to use it against me - it’s all love to the level headed AK fans from me❤️
The "Tourist" term originated from the blue archive community. The pedophiles within the BA community classify people who ostricized their game "Tourists". The term is used like along time from now, especially in their discord server, then it also spread on twitter coz of the gacha dramas. (I know because I played BA for years now and the community is pretty chill 👍👍). But Im not a pedo i swear xd.
just call them (Tectone) by name
Just Let bygones be bygones
Its been years
@@MaximGachatourist actually bad term for people who get in into community and (usually )create drama and hate.
@@yogi_gs Yeah, new players are just “newbies”. Think of it like the original meaning: a child born and raised in Australia isn’t a tourist (of Australia), but an American visiting Australia for a small time (even if they might choose to stay and live there later on) is a tourist. Fandom tourists are usually people ignorant or toxic towards staple fandom culture, and them being present for a long time or being a participant of the media itself isn’t really a factor.
hmm personally I'm not sure what to think of the situation, I have been a part of arknights community for a loooong time, I "grew up" on tectone "guides" and then slowly I started realizing that they were just... false... and only recently (I believe when he was reacting to AKEF) I heard him say "AK people were mad at me for spreading missinformation when I was just sharing my opinion".
and yee I guess he just gets a though, no research and yeets into internet portrayed as a fact. and I see that this is kinda the meta for gatcha content, just yeet statements everywhere and then just say "it was my opinion".
second thing that bothers me is CC's pushing meta dependency onto everyone, the videos of the type "YOU ARE SPENDING YOUR PULLS WRONG" or "X CHARACTER POWERCREPT, DON'T MISS OUT ON Y CHARACTER" are just... like whyyyy? at least in AK community that mostly ends at "showcasers" and there are like two or three only, and they still make very cool high end content when the tough events come. for other people, my main example would be Volkin.. its just like, I see no passion, no effort, no nothing, its just non-stop guides for new gacha games, that are also mostly his opinions that he got after like 2 hours of grinding.
with those two exaples I guess I just dont want to be dealing with those people, I dont want them to become the face of the game, I hope that AKEF will be as flexible with playstyle as AK is, because most other gatchas just... arent, people are used to just going for meta, and I dont want your average johnny come into the game have fun and then get a video saying that what he was doing was wrong, there is no place for fun, only meta matters.
I guess I get this guy, but he definitely is going wayy too harsh
man, weird people are coming. The reddit post is wild when you look at it. The OP said they hate the drama farming content creators from other gacha games and doesn't want more drama in Endfield, but they ask people to attack those drama CCs. Basically, asking for drama even before the game is out.
These people need to help better things to care about. And play less gacha games I guess kekw
People get way too lost in the sauce it’s kinda sad, all the CC drama is always high school level antics - people need to chill lmao it’s never that deep like just ignore it all and enjoy what you enjoy
reddit is crazy
Although the OP made a contradicting statement of "never tolerate these fools" i think his main point is to simply not give attention to them as he said "NEVER GIVE THEM CLOUT". So what do you not understand here?
Should you gatekeep Endfield?
Short answer: No
Long answer: No, just ignore the bad ones. The hivemind always win
Everyone is a tourist except the og launch players. ( launch player btw). It is up to the person to transition to become a community member and arknight has a welcoming fanbase, so gatekeeping wont become a problem. However, there are people who just want to join the fad and have no genuine interest in arknight. Those people are the real worry.
As for tectone, he was an og and not a tourist. He is worse. There are reasons why many CCs brand off to other games and abandon arknight and only kektone has a bad rep. After what he did, he has the gall to call the AK toxic. He is one of the few CCs I actively avoid
Yep. Being a tourist itself isn’t the problem (as literally all newcomers to a community/fandom are tourists), the issue is making demands or judgements of that community/media while being a tourist (either having a low time having been in the community or being ignorant as to how the majority community works-even long-time players/viewers can be tourists if they don’t understand the fandom culture).
And yeah, I wouldn’t really call Tectone a tourist either. He was involved with the fandom (to a fault), and the only reason he specifically is desired to be gatekept is because he is a toxic individual in generall for every community he has been a part of. The tourist gatekeeping is a slightly different issue being tackled.
The world would be a better place if people just ignored reddit and twitter, it’s just a cesspool with lots of weird people. I feel like that has been an established fact for years now, yet people still keep on making videos about these people like it proves something (no blame to you in that regard.)
As for gatekeeping, the game gatekeeps itself by nature of having niche things such as the basebuilding, which isn’t for anyone. And regarding the CC issue, while i feel like they’re blowing things out of proportion and being overly hostile, i do understand where they’re coming from. Because you can’t block anyone on youtube, so let’s say Tectone covers Endfield and starts kicking up a bunch of drama and making videos on it, that’s the first thing you’ll see if you search Endfield. Now i don’t know about anyone else, but i just want a chill feed with nice and funny CC’s when i type in Endfield, youtube’s poor filtering system will also push these video’s into the feed for normal AK, and while it isn’t the end of the world it can be pretty annoying if you’re just looking for something fun to watch. All in all, this wouldn’t even be a discussion if youtube didn’t remove the block channel extension, so this is on youtube i guess.
Agreed, just let everyone expirience the game, i mean... it's "free" game after all.
also, Yvonne? Would
YVONNE MY GOATTTTT
Let’s keep this positivity:D
I just want to play the game I really don’t care for the whole gate keeping thing let’s just all have fun playing the game.
WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOUU❤️
I mean gatekeeping is how Blue Archive has been doing well so far, although the game does gatekeep itself. No need for the community to become toxic there.
Idk if I want to engage with a 77 upvotes reddit post tbh. They are such minority. No offense.
Well anyway people are free to try. If some folks I just don't vibe it I ignore them. Easy game easy life.
I should've prefaced its a linked article from the main subreddit of AK and has a bit more noise there and I understand its a minority but I've seen the same stance echoed around twitter and ak related community stuff - thought it was worth a quick word or two - no offense taken:D
The only way to gatekeep is hopefully endfield keeps u 100% in the dark if u never played the 1st game.
The Factorio already filtered a lot of crazy people 🤣 Wuwa is already a warning story. To be fair if this negative people play it they'll just rant and go away if ignored but still, it's gonna have an effect for better or for worse.
Mate, I'll tell you what i think, everyone has the rights to play the game, veterans or not but if someone tries to make a fuzz in this community, you bet that the ones who stay here are gonna get angry at you and shooed you away like that bald guy who keeps baiting some hate for some reason
I don't want Tectone to play Endfield, his mere presence invites drama, which the AK community can do without.
Better just to ignore him.
Because he tipe person who will use drama for his own advantage and profit.
I love the fact that most of the AK community already know the particular person they're taking about
Heyo. What you are saying about gatekeeping toxicity is the same as how we should considering this post. Those Who love the game will play it and wont have any time to spare to those toxic ppl anyway. Its Just that we have nothing else to do while waiting the official release.
Personnaly as a Day one OG ak player i didnt know what to think about you. Your previous vidéos about endfield were kinda pissing me off because you were like most of the ppl out there Just comparing the game to other games. But we cant do shit about it. Until we play it ourselves we cannot properly judge. And having so much criticism regarding an on going development game can be annoying but also beneficial to help refining the game.
After watching your whole week Journey exploring arknights, its story, its community. I have to say that i see you in another Light. Like my first impression as someone Who dont follow you long enough to know more about you is similar to how you got interested in endfield even after droping the OG AK.
Thus i am pleasantly surprised by your development and i am pleased to see how our community is such treasure towards ppl Who get interested in the game.
Anyway thanks for sharing your thoughts on this topic. Lets Just wait for the bêta to drop and the final release. I wont be able to care much about online ppl once i ll have the game in my hands anyway but for the time being its always a pleasure to spend quality time with those who are as hyped in unity as us.
Peace.
+1 sub btw 😂
I'm not person who leave comment and my English is not good either but yeah whatever.
I'm hard disagree,why? Because we know something if not gatekeeping become much toxic. Example look at Blue Archive community at the outside its have bad reputation but the inside not really. Like are you prefer look bad outside but good inside or look good outside but bad inside? Ofc I prefer the first, what make the community is the people inside not the outside. And the Blue Archive game still alive until now.
Another example like anime who become mainstream now, yeah before weebs itself have bad reputation but the drama not a lot like now. Now anime become mainstream the bad reputation not really appear but holy shit the drama this drama that like can u just don't do anything anime related if u hate something common in anime related. I prefer the "old days" when if someone hate weebs just hate it at the outside, now if someone hate it is just destroying at the inside.
That why gatekeeping is must if u don't wanna ur favorite thing destroyed from the inside, because look bad at the outside not really bad compared to become bad at the inside.
I don't even know is someone understand my paragraph because my shitty English but eh.
Exactly, Blue Archive community is probably one of the best. I hate how 'modern audience' attack BA community insulting everyone who don't support they twisted believes and headcanons.
Hard agree. I disagree with him calling gatekeeping “toxic”. It’s a healthy thing to keep out damaging individuals.
I feel as though there is no win-win situation in this.
Gatekeeping is great, you just let people know what type of product it is, and why it might not be for them before they experience it themselves and potentially shit on it for no reason other than “it’s not for them”… we need more gatekeeping to protect our favourite franchises from getting too popular than how it needs to be. What’s wrong is unreasonable hate deceit, badmouthing or spreading misinformation whether it is to protect or attack someone or something, don’t get it confused with gatekeeping
Looks like We are going to ruin their game.
By playing the game and having fun.
The hard thing about Gate keeping the game is that outside community thinks that gatekeeping Endfeild makes the community automatically toxic making the game have a bad reputation, like how the G word and AK drama few years ago(AK was just chilling until somebody disturbed the hive lmao) making both game have quite the reputation after, just because of character design and that's also 1 of the reason why the hardcore AK players started to gatekeep so much, so hopefully when the game releases there's no drama for the sake of MY WIFE CHEN OF COURSE.
I'll say this, I'll never watch tectone play arknights
😂 I will wait taecton will make vid of this maybe
I can definitely see the factory filter out the toxic players
Just don't take the initial drama too seriously and enjoy the game.
I haven't played that many gacha but following the scene, pretty much every new popular new title will get a fair share of drama during it's initial months. All it takes is a single magical word "genshin" on popular video of new gacha and the floodgates are open.
It made me feel bad for Genshin players. At least for other gacha, once the initial drama ends, they are fine for the most part. But for genshin, it's new war every time new hype gacha comes out.
Enfield has already gatekeeped itself by having that complex base system that most casual players might turn off
Here are my Endfield prediction and takes on what will happen in the future
- Arknights audience are most likely chill and welcoming (just ignore the twitter audience we don't count that) and they will most unlikely welcome Tectone as an Endfield creator (well I mean every gacha community hates him sooo its not gonna be new)
- if Endfield is slightly improved version of technical test, like for the honeymoon phase then the gameplay might be 40% action/story finishing and 60% satisfacory then later in endgame we can focus on farming and lastly industry optimization
- I heard that the first up to the end of techincal test the story campaign is kinda bad and almost boring (WHICH IS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO ARKNIGHTS TOO LIKE CHAPTER 7-8 WHERE THE REAL DEAL HAPPEN)i if they keep it that way then the lore enjoyers might not get into the game for the long time unless Hypergriph will do the same thing like they did in Arknights.
- follow up into the lore, I hope they drastically change the beta story direction so more poeple can get into.
- My prediction in the future that endfield audience may have lower count than Genshin/HSR and wuwa audience volume after the honeymoon phase because satisfactory genre is not for general audience UNLESS they change how the endgame goes (I'm honestly fine with this)
- (prediction) Surtr and angelina will be the first meta 😂😂😂 and the meme "just surtr it" will rise again
- If there's a Contingency Contract Event in endfield, this will be the horror for the cozy players but a happiest moments for the dark soul enjoyers 🤣
feel free to disagree with my takes because I only type this without doing research or browsing TBH thanks!
I don't think either side is completely wrong in this argument. On one side, gatekeeping is in no way acceptable as it hinders the game's overall growth due to less players being there who could potentially support the game financially. On the other hand, just because any problematic ccs can be ignored individually it does not necessarily mean they won't cause just as much/even more damage to the game as the gatekeepers. When they are drama farming they can push whatever narrative that suites it which can lead to people who are not part of the community/never played the game to see the game as toxic or see the community as toxic overall instead of the minority which can lead to a lot of potential players not joining because of those reasons whether they are true or not. Personally, I don't care who comes in to play so long as they are open minded and willing to enjoy at least some aspects of the game and I'm willing to hear any genuine criticism of the game but I personally am not going to engage with any ccs that are farming drama and would recommend that others in the community do the same and instead spread more productive engagement to any new ccs/players so that the community looks great overall to anyone willing to check it out while denying drama ccs from getting any content to milk out of the community by simply not engaging so that they either stop drama farming or simply leave the community
well that factory building is the gatekeep since gacha game cc love brainless game mechanic.
I personally really want new people to enter the AK community casue you know, the more the merrier, but i know this will come with some bad people, especially some from the hoyoverse community since they're the ones that make drama the most like the Natlan drama where they said that hoyoverse wasn't representing that culture right because the characters were too white (it's funny cause AK having a shit ton of racism in Lore has almost zero racism in the community) or the recent one where they said they changed a character personality but they just didn't read the story or similar things plus they're also kinda weird.
Anyways as the comments say, AK already has a filter that being the base building, the gameplay not being super flashi, not being an open world game and the characters barely being sexualized.
Drama will happen anyways cause no recent gacha is safe from it but i think and i hope it won't be that big, i believe the most part of it will be due to CC's form that one community that will compare, say it's slow, say its a genshin copy and things like that.
Gatekeeping isn't the way to go, just ignore the bad people and don't give them the attention they want and they will eventually go and seek attention somewhere else
everyone is welcome to play. what we hate most is bring Drama into community. oh your game suck EOS soon, farm drama , g killer. pls stop that
Thank you youtube algo for showing me a video to a game i never played, but sure.
Hello from Blue Archive gambling community. The game that "gatekeeps itself" (it kinda doesn't)
If you don't seek infoguides on reddit, don't use it. Don't take anything they say on anything - ANYTHING - opinion-based. Unless it's "how to beat %boss% at %difficulty%, never use reddit.
So, to begin with, what is called "tourism"? Well, it's not "unskilled players going into the game". These get all the help they ask for.
"Tourists that need to be gatekept" are essentially the "Johnny Somali" of gacha. People who come into the game, more often then not not even playing it ("oh i just like certain characters"), and those that actively seek to tone down, censor and call out the fanbase as certain type of criminals for liking anime waifus. And by "actively seek" i mean up to doxxing and gameending threats.
These people fail to bond with the MC. To these people, it's not a "literally me frfr", it's anywhere from "fat incel chud" to adobe's favourite file format (.pdf)
These people are not your friends, they seek to destroy everything you stand for and love. Don't negotiate with them.
tldr: "tourists" have malicious intent, gatekeep on sight. "Noobs" aren't tourists. Neutrally curious people aren't tourists.
Thank you for understanding and knowing what tourists really are!
(Also, /) from a fellow brony! We didn’t ever have to gatekeep because our interest was too niche back then to even draw outsiders in very much, and our community really was something beautiful.)
I will just ignore the community. Problem solved
Great video. Been loving your content. I understand your opinion of just ignore but i think the reddit post is referring to those uber toxic people that sometimes (not so subtly) target other creators. But also regarding big streamers that jump from game to game, while doing so they leave some people that still play the game so its not an issue, but a boon of a creator player base.
I think the main issue will be the horrible exceptions that may be brought, but you can always kill with kindness.
Stay well
6:10 Gatekeeping and being welcoming are not mutually exclusive things. Blue Archive is welcoming while also having the best gatekeeping community, and their fandom thrives and isn’t assaulted by tourists because of it. I don’t want Endfield to harbor the Hoyoverse fanbase and destroy it on the inside. The gameplay isn’t as much of a gatekeep as people here think it is (Tectone still played Arknights after all even if his stage clears were stolen from CN players). As long as people like him are outside of Endfield and choose to trash it, then we can then choose to ignore or meme on him and others mocking the game (like the Goldenglow “oversexualized” tweeter). But we shouldn’t allow invasions because it can poison and dismantle an entire community. We have living proof with the animememes subreddit and active proof with Hoyoverse game communities. I’d rather have the community of Arknights we have now, welcoming to newbies like Clay and Lucina while choosing to block out negative individuals like Ren.
Endfield has an innate Filter, but there can be a good part of community that will gatekeep and will gatekeep hard.
But our community have gained a bias to being bad.
But i agree we should ignoring.
We may lost some new players bcuz content creators is influencer. But the truth always shows up if want to try the game, go ahead an try.
Nah, we cool, pretty they sure they'll show themselves out the door the moment they understand that we literally have Factorio as one of the main aspects of the game and FF/Xenoblade combat that most of them haven't played as those aren't exactly "Free".
Pretty smart of HG to make something that looks like accessible to these people only for the devs to place stuffs that they're not willing to sit down and learn at all.
There will be a lot of content creators trying Arknights Endfield because it's new and has modern graphics and mechanics. However, most of them will be gone in a month anyway. As much as people drama farm they also farm new games for views.
I agree with the sentiment of "the best way to react to people you don't like is to just ignore them and move on with your life". Hate watching toxic or dramatic content creators just gives them what they want. Likewise, engaging with trolls online just gives them what they want.
I will try to engage with people with different opinions or ideas than me online but the second I realize that they're just ignoring everything I say apart from cherry picking whatever weakness they can attempt to attack in order to "beat" me, I just block them. Sadly that is probably the most common occurrence and you can pretty quickly tell when someone didn't actually read what you wrote and just fixated on 1 sentence, phrase, or word.
I don't think gatekeeping exist in Endfield because the game itself will filter the player like AK did, I bet on it release Endfield will be flooded by new players & CCs but many will quit in few weeks which understandable but one thing AK community hate the most is content drama (specifically the bad one), you can hate the game & shit talk it but create & farm drama or calling other fandom to attack the community is big no.
God....the reddit side....
I wish we could ignore them.
Reddit is the most toxic for any community.
*sigh*
Yes dont gatekeep.
Let anyone play.
If you dont like who they are dont watch.
Reddit is always inviting of toxicity which SUCKS, but it's the main point of the video that these people don't represent the good and level headed people within the community:D
@MaximGacha yea. Wish more thought like you
It's not only reddit, TH-cam too, but yes, reddit is the most I must say...
However... The bait as TH-cam daily user.... Is almost unbearable like that one time when there is a certain upload...
we will have our time dont worry about it:"D
@@MaximGacha considering the build up, we might want to see how things turn out, perhaps at mid January on the test, or when the final product comes out
ok but what if gatekeep everyone but me so i can get in test ty
what a great video , im really upset that most gacha games are now known as like bad community because of ppl like these gate keeping and stuff
appreciate you, we just focus on our own things and we will be fine:D
It’s the opposite, the bad communities are the ones that _don’t_ gatekeep, which is why Blue Archive is so strong to this day.
I don't think you can "gatekeep" a free game tho?
traditionally newcomers would be unsure to pay for a new game title or not, so they look into the game's community and gatekeeping happens there,
but for a free game it's just way easier to just try it out
Fr though I think people should just reset now especially the people in reddit like bro its not that deep. Also kind of shocked that the poster is not even a AK player lol. No hate to him but I was expecting someone who does.
It’s always the non gamers who gatekeep the games lmao, definitely not a 100% of the time scenario but still it’s a lil funny
I too wanted to gate keep arknights endfield tbh. The community is already good enough, by gaining more popularity it will eventually became toxic.
I know its probably in the video but do i need to play Arkknights... I suck at Tower Def honestly
Well no
The OG are from different time and planet so its not really necessary
But for the the easter egg and the lore? Just watch TH-cam
its not a must to play the original arknights, Endfield is based in the future by a gap so big you can go in blind - if you like lore and little nods and references it might help to look up 'terrastorian' and watch his videos:D
No, Endfield's gameplay is more like Xenoblade/FF/Factorio rather than TD
Also, the timeline is set about 900 years after the current year 1101 of Terra, so like 90% of the OG casts is probably dead maybe except for the Sarkaz, Beast Lords or fragments/avatars of the Feranmuts
game needs to actually come out first but I highly doubt it'll be a sequel in that aspect despite how the vision of AK is endfield in a way
Real gamer = yes
Rainbow(fake)gamer? = NO
Wdym by that?
The "Modern Audience" are braindead people that don't buy and play games, but they want feel included and force their own ideology everywhere. Basically SJW activist, game journalist that aren't actually gamers. They will attack everyone who don't support their headcanons and mindless opinions, but when somebody talk back they will say "I am victim of ... (homophobia, transfobia, racism, mysoginism and so on)". This kind of people is exactly what destroy AAA games industry, forcing DEI and ESG.
That says more about you than about about other people dude.
The "Modern Audience" are braindead people that don't buy and play games, but they want feel included and force their own ideology everywhere. Basically SJW activist, game journalist that aren't actually gamers. They will attack everyone who don't support their headcanons and mindless opinions, but when somebody talk back they will say "I am victim of ...". This kind of people is exactly what destroy AAA games industry, forcing DEI and ESG.
The "Modern Audience" are people that don't buy and play games, but they want feel included and force their own ideology everywhere. Basically activist, game journalist that aren't actually gamers. They will attack everyone who don't support their headcanons and mindless opinions, but when somebody talkback they will say "I am victim of ...".
(TH-cam remove my previous comment for violating "rules" 🖕)
Completely agree with everything said in this video. I've been playing arknights since pretty much the beginning and I think all of the gatekeeping is dumb. I hope endfield brings more people into the community as a fan of arknights. I started watching you as well recently because of your arknights reactions. Glad to have you interested as well. Let's all have fun and play arknights together.
Appreciate you:)
As an Arknights Vet I get the idea of gatekeeping, but it’s scary to think these tactics are being considered.
Personally I want to give people a chance but if they are trouble it is honestly best not to even engage anyone troublesome. I’d like it to be all good times but some of this stuff is inevitable so I’m just hoping everyone sorta regulates themselves.
Yeah i agree
Good take dude
the post is probably talking about someone like Tectone, they just hate him for no reason.
like him or hate him - if the devs dont decide who gets to play something why should the players? It's so silly:P
@MaximGacha i don't get the hate train as well, some people just blindly follows it. it's sad
As Agent K sad in MiD 1 "A Person Is Smart. People Are Dumb, Panicky, Dangerous Animals And You Know It.". I think many didnt even know why the snowball started in the first place. But now? Confirmation bias of many in the comynity and Tectons own behavior lead us to this state of things)
*Gatekeep*
1st you need a PC powerful enough to even attempt to play. That 32GB alone will he the horror for the mass, and the laughing soud of hardware manufacturer echo through the bank's hall.
*Arknight: Endfield. The next Crysis!*
You shall not pass!
sry to said but i hope arknight gatekeep the hoyotards community
no
gatekeep? are you insulting the players by thinking that they will just believe on content creator and decide from there if they want to play or not to play a game? you underestimate people. ofcourse they will play regardless if other people says its bad because its subjective. this video is full of shit.