POLARIS MATRYX BASIC SET UP! WHAT TO CHANGE TO MAKE YOUR RIDING EXPERIENCE MORE ENJOYABLE!
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Jesse, your videos are the most thought out in the sled world, ive watched every bruno video twice, and put a lot of your information into setting up my 129" xc launch. Keep the awesome videos coming
Adam i appreciate that and thank you for watching. Have alot of good stuff coming!
This is the best explanation that I have had as of yet , I have been fumbling around but no more .
Thank you very much 😁.
Happy to help. Any questions just ask and I’ll be happy to help!
Great video I love tech talk about suspension.I am glad Bruce talked about that a sleds torsion springs can be set at different settings.I have a 2022 XcR snow checked can’t wait to set it up keep the videos coming.
More will be coming but that was the basics! congrats on the new sled and thanks for following along!
Just signed for a 2022 XCR 650 that a guy backed out of his snow check. Can't wait to pick it up later this week. Love Jesse's videos, very informative. Not a wrencher at all so need all the setup tips I can get!
This overview very well done will try some of these setting on first ride this info much appreciated
Thank you! Glad It helped and if you have any questions let me know!
I just put in light torsion springs. I have a 2020 assault and since I'm only 120 lbs with gear, the thing didn't know I was on it for godsakes....can't wait to see how it rides now. Ty for another great video!!!!
120 with gear i could definitely see needing the light torsion springs! Youll probably be much happier now! Appreciate you following along!
Gotta say thats one of the nicest color combos i seen on a sled in many years(The red/white SRX a close second)
Agreed i love this color!
Nice video and some good tips. I find a lot of guys don't mess with their suspensions which blows my mind.
Thank you! You're right many do not and thats crazy to me too. But some people just get on and ride!
As a guy who's 6'5 290lbs glad I got the UHD ones on the snow check. Love this video brosif!
Kevin i couldnt agree more with you! Very good choice! Appreciate you following along as always!
Bruce is spot on with the springs,I wound up running the Xtra h/d springs which were too stiff to get the right sag,you can actually bend the tang in the spring to get the right sag,so I now have the exact Sag and ride height I want and still have the stiffer rate springs in place!!👍👍
we used to bend the race sled springs to get it where we needed it! There is always a way to make it work but for most we like to keep it basic!
👍👍Love your new tech videos for the riders,This will give the average guy a great idea on how to help tune there sled,!!
Hi Jesse great video,I meet you last weekend at south side I was talking to Scott I was the old guy that Scott was trying to get me to help him do all the custom paint on the new sleds comings in. Anyway it was nice to meet you.
Hey David! Nice to meet you too! Scott is going to need the help thats for sure!
Damn Jesse perfect timing on this video u & I were just chatting about me buying an xc or holding out for an xcr because of suspension vs my weight. Video was really helpful in helping me realize that if necessary I can set up the suspension on the xc to conform to my riding style and weight at a fairly reasonable cost. Big thumbs up to Bruce did a great job explaining the whole concept. What does Bruce ride? Thanks again…
Yes you can! Thats what i was saying in my last comment to you is you can make the XC work great for you just need a few tweaks here and there! Last year Bruces main sled was a 650 VR1 with XCR shocks that rode so so nice!
Great video, thanks for posting.
thank you!
Great video very informative. The one are I would have liked a clearer explanation on is the limiter strap and its affect or a base line of where it should be set. Thanks again for the great info.
We will get into more intense set ups later on. We wanted to touch on a few points in this one just to get people going! Appreciate you following along!
Worked on getting my XC 850 to turn better for aggresive riding. The torrison springs I was unaware of. Good video. Looking to get some C&A skis on it too!!
start with the basics and go from there. C&A's will absoloutely help! Any questions just let me know!
Jesse. I have a 22 850 XC. I'm 175-180 lbs. What do you recommend for rear springs? I'm confused on what is stock on these.
Jesse - It would be helpful if you and Bruce could talk more about valving and why it’s done and when do you think you might wanna have it done. I know you said that there’s going to be a video when Bruce does your QS3’s so understanding why valving is done and how to know when you need it I think would be super helpful.
100% that is on the list. We will talk all about it and then show you what exactly we mean by taking the shock apart and showing the internals!
Great information. Thanks
Thank you! Hope it helps everyone start at the beginning and not jump to set up step 10 off the bat. Start basic then go!
Great video, Bruce is correct, have to get your spring rates set up first for your weight, if not your wasting your time
110%. Thats the starting point then go from there!
I’ve been tinkering with my 19 assault for awhile now. I’ve found the front springs just aren’t long enough and you have minimal preload adjustment. So I’ve found to just run them all the way stiff. I run the woody ace 8” and clickers are med in front. Front rear shock is 2 and rear is I think 5-6. Never touched the spring. The fucker will wheelie which makes it fun and it turns quite nicely if I wanna hang off and work it
Have you ever had your shocks freshened/revalved? If you have not i would highly reccomend it as youd probably have a much different set up. Assaults are an uncoupled skid so they do wheelie nice thats for sure and with you having the fronts cranked down thats lifting the nose to begin with! Either way as long as youre having fun thats all that matters!
@@JESSEJAMES322 yea I honestly enjoy it quite a bit. I will be having them redone because I’m 240-250 full geared as well, so on the heavier side. I loosened the front springs it they ended up coming off the collar and gouging the shit out of the shock body from extending all the way out. Back to what I said then being to short for the shock IMO. I looked into the dual rate kit as well. For rear I need to double check the torsion setting. Think it’s middle
Great suspension setup info. My only comment is the snow conditions change not only by the day but sometimes by the hour, so you could make changes several times a day which ain't gonna happen. Riding partners don't want to stop waiting for me to make changes.I find a happy medium and usually keep it for the season.
And that is really the ultimate goal is to find a happy medium. But with addition of clickers which are extremely easy to use you can really change your entire sled when you stop for gas or food juts by clicking away. Obviosuly you need to find that happy medium first and then adjust from there.
@@JESSEJAMES322 Guys would get mad if I had to stop and flip sled on side to change air pressure in my Fox Floats. Lol . Nice to have newer shock technology with clickers for hi/low
Another Great video !
Thank you!! Much appreciated!
what a great video...thank you
Thank you! Thats what Bruce and i are here to do.. bring knowledge!
Good video man! I was hoping Bruce would talk about the FTS and the effects it has with adjustments.
Thank you! We will get more in depth later on. We wanted to do just basic basic stuff up front!
i would think this would part of the basic set up rather then relying on the torsion spring to do all the work. FTS and the rear scissor block does a lot for weight transfer and how it rides and corners
Good info thanks. I would love to have Bruce explain how to lesten my ski pressure and why. I have a 2021 Axys XCR 850 and love it. I ride anywhere from slightly sporty to aggressive, but I really fight the steering. Its the most ski pressure I've ever had, and it gets tiring. Should I adjust front track shock spring preload??
Yes if you want less ski pressure increase the preload on the FTS spring. Thatll will pull some weight off the skis
Didn't talk about FTS, but overall this was definitely helpful. Been hoping to get more weight to the skis
Wanted to start with basics. To get more weight to skis you can do two things. Crank on the ski springs or pull the limiter strap up one hole or half a hole
@@JESSEJAMES322 Thanks. So you would say taking the preload off of the FTS doesn't have as much of an effect as those two things?
Resubscribed. Loving the technical/setup content Jesse. There is a real lack of hands on vids regarding setup. It's a complicated beast which most find too intimidating. Looking forward future tecnical vids.
hey i appreciate that. Were trying to bring a ton of knowledge to everyone. Can i ask why you unsubscribed?
@@JESSEJAMES322 Fair question. I watched a lot of the build vids last year but didn't particularly like your riding vids. I was especially put off by the one with the 14 year old. Him riding in the dark, on a new to him machine with you a few feet off his bumper just seemed like a disaster about to happen. Im sure he was eager to please and I worried he was being pushed possibly beyond his skillset. Maybe just the dad instincts kicking in. Lost a few friends to sled accidents when i was his age. All good though. Im enjoying this years content.
That kids skill level is far above 95% of the riding level of the people out riding. That was me as a kid. I did the same thing with all my dads friends and my dad for that matter. He was in control 110% but i understand. The riding videos will be back as always but we will also be doing a lot of these videos throughout the year. Appreciate the rersponse!
A second compliment again great information what I forgot to mention will only be able to try out your suggestions if and when I get delivery of my 2022 XCR 850. Last letters as sometime will ship in Jan. My concern by the time they ship, 2 weeks delivery to Canada dealer prep will not see to possible mid Feb. This is not great situation how are you doing with your delivery Kester from Ottawa Canada
i am hoping mine shows this week. fingers crossed
Subbed...I was hoping Bruce had some insight to belt deflection adjustments...great vid tho
21 xc 850 here
Hey Trae! We’ll get there! This was just basic suspension set up. Appreciate your following along! Nice ride
Hey Jesse, thanks for sharing your knowledge! Your videos are awesome and very helpful!! I have a 2021 XC850 129” track and I’ve followed all the tips you and Bruce mentioned. Question - Do you have any suggestions to help improve inside ski lift? Ive ridden a 2018 Pro S and 2017 stock Indy and neither seem to have nearly as much ski lift as my 2021. Any suggestions are appreciated! Thanks!!
hey so inside ski lift can be tammed by a couple things. 1 add preload to your ski shocks. you only have 80 pound springs so add 1/2 inch (anything over a half inch wont change). you can go to 100 pound springs up front and also add 1/2 inch of preload (this will get the front of the sled up and some of the track off the ground) OR you can shorten your limiter strap which ive done a few videso on that ove rthe years
Awesome, I really appreciate it!
Does this apply to the 22 Assault as well for the HD springs and valving? I’m about 190 and have a 22 Assault coming for the season. Great Video, need more of this out there.
Yes it does apply to them as well! Assaults are also valved a little bit stiffer then the VR1's and Xc's which in my opinion is a good thing! Working on getting more if this!
Hey Jesse, loving your videos, thanks for taking the time to keep us all informed of the good stuff. Question: I have a 850 VR1 137 (storm 1.5 track) coming soon, should I stud it? Ride lakes and trails in northern Wisconsin. I have mixed emotions about studding the track cause of what they do to my driveway!
Hey Pat! Thanks for following along. I would absolutely stud it. Not only for a performance side of things but also a safety aspect. Icy corners, Icy hills etc it makes everything safer. DOnt have to go crazy but some in better than none in my eyes!
Pat, i ride the same areas as you, i would 100% stud it. icy corners, and some steep icy hills can lead to some really bad outcomes. doesnt have to be for performance but like Jesse said, for saftey at least. My buddies all have ice rippers, and they still have issues on icy hills and corners. go 96 down the middle if you dont ride hard, and 144 if you like to get after it.
@@adamcooper3717 Thanks Adam, I just picked up my snowchecked sled yesterday but unfortunately after 13 miles the "check engine" light came on (manual says an EFI issue and not to run it) and the dealership is closed until Monday. Will probably do 96 down the middle.
@@adamcooper3717 I ride in the same area, picking up my 2022 XCR 650 later this week, planning to stud down the middle, just like the extra primarily for safety sake
@@patrickmcnamar5705 im guessing you got some bad gas, what mode did you have it in? i broke mine in on the "crap gas" mode its putting a bunch of oil in for the first 2 hours of run time so thats probably what happened, 99% sure shes fine
Great Video! Really helps speed up learning all of the in's and out's of tuning. I have a 22 VR1 850 137". I am planning on putting 96 studs down the middle (ride mostly MN and Northern WI). Aggressive riding style. What Carbides do you recommend? And what length is needed with that stud setup? I am about 190#'s with gear on, so planning on switching to the HD Springs this off season as well if that makes a difference. Keep the great content coming!
Thank you we are trying! We recommend 8 inch woodys Mavericks. They are an awesome addition to your set up!!! appreciate you following along! did you get entered in the giveaway? you could win skis, carbides, studs, hand guards and a $200 gift card to Southside!! anything purchased off 322threads.com gets you entered!
@@JESSEJAMES322 Awesome. Thanks for the quick response. Do you shim them or run navigators with them? Just picked up a 322 star hat!
Thank you! and you can do both. They will ultimately help make the sled handle the best it can
Thanks. Great tutorial again guy. Now I just Have to figure out what torsion spring is on my new Adventure. I'm thinking with me at 225ish and some gear on the tunnel I'll need to make some adjustments.
Any thoughts on that as far as torsion spring?
I'd say I'm a 4 out of 10 as far as aggressiveness. 10 being most aggressive.
i would recommend just standard HD torsion springs!
@JESSEJAMES322 thanks for taking the time. I'll look into it.
Cheers
Nice video. Subscribed 👍
Thank you! Lot of good information to catch up on!
I understand that you can run the springs on different preload settings, but I do have a question for Bruce, can you run different wire diameter springs from side to side to get a different rate, and if not, why not if it’s ok to run different preloads with the same rate springs?
you definitely can. Just like you said if you run the settings different It would be the same to just have one side with a HD spring and other with a regular spring!
What’s the weight or pounds rating on my stock VR1 torsion spring
I’m 215 wondering what’s stock and what I should move up to for the rear torsion springs
I do not have the ratings of them but there are 4 options from Poalris. Light Duty, Standard, heavy duty and extra heavy duty. I am 180 and run the heavy duty.
Great info. What if a person did all that but still have a bit too hard steering? What would you suggest to fix it?
hard as is too much effort or does not steer well
@@JESSEJAMES322 too much effort
increase the prelaod on the front track spring. so the coil spring in the front of the rear suspension
Can Bruce provide detail info on front shock spring adjustment. He said to compress spring 1/4 to 3/8". But from what, factory setting? Is there a specific starting point? Also what setting for front skid shock as I know this plays big factor in ski pressure.
No compressing the spring that much would be from no preload. So running the adjuster all the way off and then tightening until it taks the slack out of the spring. Then measure 1/4-3/8 from there. Hard to explain through messaging. front track shock we will have another video on but for now we wanted to start with untimate basics
@@JESSEJAMES322 . I fully understand. Just wanted to make sure. Can't wait for for suspension info. Great content.
Thank you! Appreciate you follwowng along!
Hey Jesse! Do you run ice scratchers? Maybe a tutorial of those? I'm going to get some but I've been waiting to see if you were gonna do a vid on this subject..pray for snow !!!
I do not run them but alot of guys do. best ones ive seen are the RSI Racing ones. Use BONADUCE2022 at checkout and save some $$$
I put the ski Doo ones on my VR1 since Polaris really doesn’t offer them, they work excellent, dropped my coolant temps down dramatically in icy conditions, slight tweaking is required to make them work, there is a you tube video out of Canada called Crazy Canucks that shows them installing them
th-cam.com/video/LKCxHW7o9io/w-d-xo.html
Check out the skidoo/spi rail mounted ones. You can get a mounting block from one rig designs so you don't need to drill any holes. That's the set up I'm going with on my VR1
@@paulmollise1856 I did the same but made separate bracket instead of using my suspension tabs,that spring can definitely hit your dog bones they move side to side and I didn't like how they looked when they were in the Tuck away brackets so I made completely removable,1 wing nut and I remove the whole assembly in a couple of turns!!Have great season hopefully we won't need these scratchers this year 😂😂
Iam 160 ponds give her take . What setting should my blockes be. And my springs seem to sag idont wjy they do thatcwas fine thenfirst year my shocks r good to .
probably on the highest setting even though youre only 160
Hey Jesse, I’ve got a 22 xcr 850 136 I bought slightly used. Not quite sure to be honest where the shocks are sitting setup wise. The rear spring is stock and is on the medium setting, previous owner studded the track with 144 studs. I put on a set of c&a xcs skis with. The 9 inch shapers. I weigh around 190-200. Any recommendations on starting points here? I thought I saw somewhere that the 22s came stock with the hd rear torsion spring but I didn’t know for sure
the 22's did not have the HD torsion springs so i would highly recommend them for you. I would go througha nd set all your clickers ate certain spot and then go from there, put all the preload in the front ski springs
@@JESSEJAMES322 thank you sir, hd springs will be ordered tomorrow!
I have a new to me 650 xc that i have not ridden .I suspect it has the stock springs for M/Y 2021.I trail ride and not aggressively . do you suspect ill need to re-spring .I will check the sag when i get ot in my garage to go over it really well pre season
how much do you weigh? That is the one thing I need to know
@@JESSEJAMES322 230 is ready to ride .Thanks
I would definitely recommend the HD springs in the rear
I’m 225lbs. On a 2021 XCR 850 129”. Should I go HD springs or extra HD springs?
I would say just the standard HD. If you are a super aggressive rider id say XHD but we normally dont recommend them until 260+
Hey Jesse,
I have a question similar to the one below. I ordered sno checked a 22 VR1 Boost either a 137, and the cobra track w/ 1.3 lug. Do you know if it will come with a standard spring in the rear? I’m 160, so I’m considering the HD springs. I’m just north of you in NH.
The boost VR1 will be coming with the standard springs. The HD for your weight really depends on how hard you ride. if you're always riding hard i would say go for them! if not then they might be a little stiff
@@JESSEJAMES322
Thanks man, we usually ride pretty good. Like you said, the season is short. I think I’ll go for it and try them on low- med
yea give them a shot! i really dont think youll be dissapointed in the decisioN!
I have a 2022 VR1 850 137 with 1.5 storm and 1.75 studds 96. I weigh 220, average to occasionally aggressive rider. How would you recommend setting it up? I also have 6 in carbides on. Thank you.
Hey Larry so we really went over evything needed to know in the video. Basic is you definitely need HD springs probably set on medium. CLickers set in the middle. Then ride and go from there. Can probably add some preload in the front ski springs
@@JESSEJAMES322 thank you and I appreciate the quick response.
Unfortunately bought a zr 6000 for my first sled although its plenty for me. Likes to push in corners and can’t seem to get it right for anything. Tried stiffer torsion spring setting and removed some preload from front skid. I was told to remove preload from front shocks as well to increase ski pressure and that sounds backwards to me. Any chance I could get a 1-2-3 of adjustments I can make to fix this issue. I understand there’s a lot that goes into this but at least if I KNEW what adjustments in what order I could figure out what else I need to do with the individual components based on results. Sure appreciate the vids but too much conflicting information. Ive got 500 miles of experience so knowing who to listen to can be confusing at times. Y’all seem to have your shit together!!!
i am not overly familair with that sled at all but removing preload from the skis reduces ski pressure so that is in fact backwards. I would add preload to the ski springs and try that. carbides and skis are a huge factor into turning as well. may need some more aggressive carbides
@@JESSEJAMES322 Just ordered some C&A’s with nine” shapers.Thank you for that! And talked to your shop for necessary adjustments. I am an old fat fart need all the help I can get! HahaThanks for the response!
they will absolutely help!! always happy to help!
So a skinny guy at 175 lbs needs to change the rear spring to get it to handle. So if a skinny 175 lb guy needs the heavy duty spring would the extra heavy duty spring be stiff enough for a fat 250 lb guy?
We are not saying you NEED them but we are recommending them. We feel as the factory springs really are too soft all around. is the 250 pound guy a super hard rider?
On the rear torsion is there a certain sag that we should be looking for?
Not according to Bruce no. More of less by how you feel
@@JESSEJAMES322 awesome.thanks this was a great video
3" is known as a good goal for sag. Also you may want to pick torsion springs that get you to 3" on close to the lowest setting. That way you can adjust higher if you load the tunnel with a fuel caddy, storage, etc. or if/when the tunnel packs with ice/snow throughout the day.
I so wish we could hang out and setup my sled.. I know it's not setup right...
Depends on where you are! Regardless send me a message on facebook/instagram and ill help as much as i can!
@@JESSEJAMES322 I'm 60 miles west of Albany. I believe your in New Jersey. I don't know if Facebook account, will look for it! Ty for reply back in the least. Appreciate greatly. Makes me feel kind of important...don't get that much so ty....
i try and get back to everyone. I try my best to do so but yea either way shoot me a message!
Ordered 23 Indy VR1 850 137. since cat is sleeping at the wheel it’s time to jump ship and join the poo boys
youll be very happy with that decision! Any questions along the way let me know!
Is that a Triumph Rocket 3? Bruce ride that?
not sure what it is. and im sure they sold it. they are a Triumph dealer
Anyone have part number for heavy duty springs and would the be the same for 19 xc
Rear Torsion Spring Kit - 129/137 - Heavy Duty
Item # 2884974
@@JESSEJAMES322 thanks, just came across your channel a few weeks ago awesome content on the sled stuff very informative can’t wait to see the build of your xcr this year
Looking to order a pair of painted mirrors from you guys that I saw you offered in a different video last year. Please provide contact and ordering information please.
Please call SouthSide Sales and service. Tell them I sent you and the at your want mirrors painted!
@@JESSEJAMES322 Phone number or website please. I don't know what town or city they are located in ?
I weigh 230, am I pre set at M or H?
all what you like. There is no set setting. Do you have the HD torsion springs?
No they are the standard ones that came with the 2019 Axys 129 Indy 800
so for starters i would recommend going to the heavier springs. The stock springs are too soft for your weight (in our opinion). Im 180 and run the heavier springs
Sorry the I pad is in my wife’s name my name is David
does installing a stiffer rear spring still hold true for someone like me at 150lbs (plus 15 lbs of saddle bag gear?) i like to long haul / packed for an overnight ,twiggy fires and hot dogs trailside, so i'm always carrying a stuffed saddle bag
im debating on indy xc 137 or the uncoupled switchback xc144. i dont need the 7s or the better shocks. i pretty much am on all large open run trails but may find myself in canada during a good winter and wondering if i will be disappointed on the 137
the 144 prob has more room for gear...
I dont think you would be a candidate for the HD. I think youll be ok with the standard springs. Especially on an assault due to the valving being stiffer in them
thanks. also great content and def good interviews with bruce. short season indeed. on another note, can we see you share your mic since he is a soft speaker?
i dont use a mic actually im just loud haha. we are working on it! i appreciate you following along!
@@JESSEJAMES322 no worries. you have some good content. things like the accessories, tips, opinions etc keep it up, we're liking the info. on another note, can we see you do a segment on landowner respect. trail etiquette? it seems we have more riders that need a reminder that we are here because of 1 thing, landowner permission. keep up the good work :)
did one last year with the president of our local snowmobile club. Should do another one though!