Few people would ever go through what the apostles did. They didn't have any fame till after they were brutally murdered. Heck, most of these people can't even handle someone criticizing them when they are wrong.
If Paul called himself the least of all apostles, then these people today calling themselves 'apostles' must consider themselves greater than Paul. Which is obviously wrong.
@@debra1057. In all due respect, there are simply many of us who believe the role of "apostle" was specific to the early church. The Bible does not state that new apostles exist in the same sense as the original ones. The scriptures you are quoting were "roles" given by Christ to build the church. The passage itself does not specify whether these roles are for the past or present; however, the foundational roles of the early apostles is explained in Ephesians 2:20. The apostles today are primarily associated with the Pentecostal and charismatic movement. My position on this has nothing to do with Cory, though I believe there are far too many people using the title "apostle" to elevate themselves, and that is what I find most annoying. Peace and blessings to you. :)
I have never heard of Gino Jennings. I looked for information about him and I believe his theology is absolutely wrong. There is Ephesians 4:11-13 not Ephesians 14: 11-13 unless that was a mistake in your typing because Ephesians finishes at Ephesians 6:23. What are you talking about when you said, God took them out after he put them in. And what are you saying about stop adding to God’s word? I do not listen to Cory very often. If he has topics that I feel strongly about I will comment on them. He himself has never responded to any of my comments. Usually I think it’s because My narrative doesn’t fit what he wants to hear. Please tell me where I am adding. My Father and Grandfather were ministers and I have done my own studies outside for 60+ years.
Well the scriptures say it didn't stop. 1corinthians 12:28 God had send Apostles, preachers, pastors, prophets, teachers, gifts of healing . Now did the title of Bishop or pastor or prophet or pastors have ✋️ stop? No 👎 it didn't. If that's your interpretation. Than prophets, preachers, decons, evangelist, . There's nomore. That's under some. So u wrong.
Don't be annoyed it's a slew of doctrine that's off...they gearing up to celebrate the beloved Christmas god Tammuz who masquerades as Yeshua Hamashiach the ruach hakodesh. Heb 1:1-2 tells us how the Father speaks now... you've been told there's false apostles..now who could they be???Be blessed.
That's not true. Can't one of you find a scripture in the bible to support your statement. But, there is evidence that at least two apostles were appointed by Jesus after his ascension back to Heaven & since the bible declares Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever, I believe if He did it then, He's doing it now. According to the bible first, apostles were placed in the church. Where do you see them taken out? There is no scripture to support that the apostles are no longer being appointed & if that's the case, why are preachers still in existence? I can agree that everyone who claim to be an apostle probably is not, but until you can prove by scripture that apostles are no longer in the church, they are still right where the bible say they are.....in the church!
@@debra1057 Are you saying that I’m going to Hell? You might want to be careful with that judgment buddy. You’re also calling me ignorant. You might want to rethink that judgement as well.
@@rml5126 Believe what you will. I’m not calling you names and saying you’re wrong. I simply agree with him on this subject matter. And no where in the Bible does he say.That there will be new apostles. If it does send me the chapter and verse please. That way I can fix my thinking.
Thank you for the teaching brother Corey!!! I know of someone that is titled Apostle (female) and it never really sat well with me. I’m having a hard time believing there are still Apostles in today’s world. I do believe (now) it’s self appointed. Why do we feel the need for titles? Why can’t we be children of the Most High God?!?!?! Pastors should be called just that who teach and preach in Spirit and in Truth. God bless🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
There is no need for apostles. Everyone that boasts that they are apostles just want a special title above others. Jesus says to call no one father, rabbi, or master. The apostles helped set up the church. The question a lot of these so-called apostles should be asked is "do you believe you are something more special than the normal Christian who risk their lives to do mission work and dedicate their lives to God?"
Why would you have a hard time believing apostles exist today? Do you feel they were more necessary in that period of time than they are needed right now? Do you feel God was more concerned about people then, than He is today?
This was a blessing. For some years I was struggling with,”Who has anointed these modern day self proclaimed prophets.” You have confirmed through further scripture what I had begun to understand. May God continue to use you sir. 🙏🏾
I love the way you give hearts to those who agree with you. I think many of your so called debates are set so the people who follow you can help you look good. I do believe there are some screwed up ministries. However, there are things that are you opinion! What I would like to see is a written debate. You see debates done by people facing off is not reliable because the one with the charisma is going to win whether he or she is right or wrong. But, if is written with no name then people could decide for themselves. I think it is a much more accurate way to see what people believe. I was challenged when I was in college to find a Evolutionist to debate a Creationist Colonel. I would receive a thousand dollars if I could get one and I didn’t. But, debate with the written views. And let the listeners respond so that they’re not being guided in a certain direction and let the Holy Spirit Speak the Truth!
I disagree with anyone saying that there are No more Apostles.. Jesus said First in the Church is an Apostle.. He didn’t say Was which would be past tense.. He said First in the Church which means Now right now! At this present time until Christ comes.. I believe many people don’t understand what the scriptures are saying, think about it Jesus God Almighty had to open up the understanding of the Apostles, do we think that any of us are different! You can’t say there are no more Apostles just because you read where some Apostles seen Jesus and others didn’t! We must remember that God doesn’t change and the work that was performed then is going on Now. If we believe there are no Apostles then why do we believe there are pastors and so on? How can we take away from the book just because we don’t understand something but we go to great lengths in other parts of the Holy Scriptures to justify what We believe or Assume! It’s the same thing when it comes to Baptism, Many have been baptized Father, son and Holy Ghost, but ask yourself one question where in the scriptures did One Apostle or Evangelist, Elder Baptize that way? I read where Jesus Christ said go out baptizing in the Name of the Father, son and of the Holy Ghost! But if that’s right why did the Apostles Baptize in the Name of Jesus Christ not Father son Holy Ghost? This is what I mean leaning towards your own understanding and adding to what’s not written in the scriptures.. It’s better to just say I don’t understand it and fast and pray for the answer than to assume or guess what is being said or done! God said do not add to the word..
Men of today twist the scriptures to their own understanding. Amen brother, keep believing what’s written. The lord said he’s the same yesterday and today. He also said he will be with those apostles until the end of the world. The world didnt end as yet. We need an apostle of God to guide us, just like the lord Jesus use men to guide us out the womb of the world.
@ by this lie alone you’ll be condemned. The book of scriptures are for our learning. God said what he said to one he said to all. Also, Jesus Christ told his apostles he will be with them until the end of the world. The world didn’t end as yet. God still ordained apostle and prophets. How can the people be lead without a preacher, and how can they preach unless they be sent! Not by no Bible college, God has to ordain a leader for his sheeps. Stop reading the book of scriptures like a story book. It’s for our guidance to the holy one
@@MarkWesley-fb3on If I don’t understand what’s written then give me the Scripture that says God Almighty took the Apostles out of the Church? Men like you read without understanding then Judge men like me who have Scripture to back up what we say! If Pastors exist why not Apostles? Didn’t Jesus Christ send our 72 men two by two to Preach and we don’t know their names? My point is the work didn’t stop with the Apostles of Old it’s still going on with Apostles of this day and Age Satan would have You believe God somehow Changed! His word is his word no matter if you and others believe it or not! People are dying worldwide without Repentance, Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ and not receiving the Holy Ghost but are in the lower parts of the earth 🌍 ready for damnation! The Laborers are few and the Harvest is plenty! No scripture removed the Apostles, not one ☝️ He said as it is written I will be with you until the end of the world! They are dead now some other men had to pick up the scripture’s and continue as Apostles to do the work even until the end! I know what’s written and Believe All of it not Adding or taking away from the scriptures.. I’ve prayed and asked God Jesus Christ to open my understanding and to teach me his ways, precepts, commandments, Judgments testimonies and standards! Im Beyond sure that God has answered my prayers! I have many testimonies! Amen
I'm just a child of God and I do not need a special title or to boast about my "special-ness" These people just want the fame and special powers of the apostles without any of the hardships they face. Silly titles that I hate hearing : apostle, chosen ones, lightworkers, prophet/prophetess, or anyone who boasts about being a special rank
Following that requirement in Acts 1, Paul is not an Apostle (among the 12) that requirement was for those who saw Jesus when he went in and out among the brethren from the days of John the Baptist Jordan baptism until the day he was ascended from Olivet) By that criteria Paul doesn't qualify not even close! But Paul is an Apostle and not in the same sense as the 12
I'm asking again this question no one ever seems to address this in Ephesians 4:11 These offices are listed together. We know this by the commas. Why is it that we are saying that Apostle is no longer valid but these other offices are still in work. If you saying that office of Apostle is no longer valid then all those offices listed with Apostle are also invalid today. So please with all sincererity how is this possible? According my studies there are no clear scriptures explaining the office is no longer valid. Yes Paul did call out fake Apostles but that doesn't preclude that the office it self is no longer valid. Please address this.
Paul is not saying that the Lord is continuously GIVING apostles. He's simply making a statement of what he gave and why. You will notice the office of Pastor and of evangelist is spoken of later in the scriptures while there is no more giving of Apostles. However we take this verse, the requirements still must be met, and that is 1. Have seen and have been sent by Jesus after his resurrection, 2. They are the foundation of the Church, 3. The sings of a TRUE apostle must accompany them.
They understand with their minds, not the spirit!!! You're on point. Spiritual principles are foolishness to those who do not understand. They don't believe in generational curses, or tongues, or that believers can be demonized (not possessed)! Either way, we are all brothers and sisters in christ. Does a title disqualify you? No!!!!!
@smartchristians Well let's look at this. 1. The word "apostle" is not capitalized meaning Paul is not denoting a specific set of people or person. Neither does the hebrew or greek capitalize "apostolos" or shali' ah either in this particular passage. 2. Silence on the topic going forward does not preclude the office is invalid. 3. The list qualifications are the similarities/experiences that each held in common as appointed "Apostles" of Christ. That also does not denote that this is the only way to become an "apostle". For example some would say (not me) that Paul never met Jesus physically so how could he be an Apostle. We hold his experience on the road to Damascus as sacred/valid then invalidate and tell others who say they've had an encountered God and say they are appointed this position. One could argue there is no comfirmation by others like Paul had with Barnabus and Titus. The only thing I would argue even if they did have comfirmation most would not believe because many hold the position so highly. (Almost in a state of idoltry in my opinion) Thank you for responding. God Bless
@debra1057 The problem some people call themselves Apostles and start teaching a different doctorine from the Bible. We are told to build from the foundation of the Apostles. Therefore we should follow exactly as they instructed. For instance Apostle Paul forbids women from pastoring. Some have overruled that law by calling themselves Apostles. Giving a different foundation for people to build from.
The Lord Jesus is the foundation of the church and he sets in the church what is needed to perfect it. He is still the head over all things to the church and can appoint whomever he wills to be an apostle. As long as there is a church still here on earth which needs growth and perfecting, the Lord will provide what it needs.
Hey Corey! So, I am a continuationist and believe in the present day ministry gifts of apostles and prophets. You mentioned the greek tense of the word “gave” in verse 11 to back your argument which didn’t connect in my understanding because that same reasoning can’t be used for the other ministry gifts listed: Evangelists, Pastors/Teachers. I am also reformed in my understanding of God’s sovereignty so I am not opposed to the common reformed understanding that Pastor/Teacher are one gift. Some of my argumentation around the veracity of the continuation of apostolic ministry is that Ephesians 4 says the gifts were given to the Church WHEN Christ ascended not before. This seems to make it clear that there is a distinction between the 12 Apostles of the Lamb, who were eye witnesses of the incarnate God and had the authority to write Scripture, from the Ephesians 4 Apostles given to the Church which I believe are essential in planting churches. The word missionary, as I’m sure you are aware of, is not even in the Bible. I believe the fruit of apostolic ministry is a team of “missionaries” that plant churches that plant churches. Let me know what you think! Love you brother! -In Christ Bro Brady
Christ still calls and appoints his Apostles. He also shows himself to them in the Spirit realm, and also through dreams and visions. The Holy Spirit conveys, speaks, and brings us (mankind) information from God. God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours. We should not dictate how He works now. He is God. The natural man cannot comprehend the things of the Spirit. May God give us : wisdom, knowledge and understanding of His Word. And He is still speaking today. Blessings.
@@rosepitts5599So, how are these people deemed apostles? What are they doing that makes them an apostle? I’ve seen many people labeled as Apostles, wearing fancy robes; but I don’t see what this person is doing that makes him or her an apostle.
@@rosepitts5599God will not contradict himself. Their are no new apostles of Christ. No one alive has seen christ physically. So their can be no new apostles. Any body can say they had a dream or a vision, those can't be verified so they don't count. All of the apostles where verified by the other apostles to have seen the risen Christ. Also non of these current apostles are hated by the world, they seem to love and be loved by the world and the things of this world.
Yes, Cory! Apostles still exist. Do you know why? Because, the Church still exist. 1 Corinthians 12:28 says apostles were set in the church, where is the scripture that says they were taken out? Your opinion don't count. What does bible say? That's all that matters.
Acts 1..... is the qualifications of the disciple not the LORD or the Holy Spirit..... Note : As a matter of fact, they cast lots to choose Judas successor, which was a pagan practice.....
How Many Apostles Are Recorded Here? KJV - Revelation 21 : 14 “And The Wall Of The City Had Twelve Foundations, And In THEM The NAMES Of THE Twelve APOSTLES Of THE LAMB.” Case Closed!!!!
17:03 Amen Brother!!! Are These Modern Apostles Proven? As It Is Written KJV - 2 Corinthians 12 : 12 “TRULY The SIGNS Of An APOSTLE Were Wrought Among YOU In All Patience, IN SIGNS, And WONDERS, And MIGHTY DEEDS.” The Answer.... NOPE!
Hi Corey, this was a very good and edifying discussion. I thank the Lord for placing this on your heart to help clarify. Question: Can we have present day apostles that are sent by a church? Not apostles of Christ, but sent apostles by a church.
Based on this interpretation, who were the Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers that were appointed by Christ. Being that the Holy Spirit doesn’t speak on his authority, is not those appointed as apostles by man under the leading Holy Spirit to be considered as appointed by Christ. Acts 13:2 - while they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”… so being sent out by the Holy Spirit they went… One can’t use the argument that the Bible doesn’t mention it in the scriptures because there is a lot that the New Testament doesn’t expressly mention that Christians practice. But the fact that we are having this discussion is proof that Eph 4:13 has yet to be fulfilled😂😂
They were used for the foundation of the New Testament Church Son. There were no churches back then. The gospel had barely been published outside of that region.
@ I know they were for the foundation as Bible makes clear but that doesn’t answer the point he made by Jesus specifically giving these positions. What do you mean by there were no churches back then. Are you defining church by a building, or how Jesus defines it? If you are using Jesus definition then you have the church at the end of Acts 2, which would have started in Jerusalem. If Apostles and prophets are foundations are the foundations for the church globally, thus a one time foundation or are they regional? For example apostles and prophets for the church in Ephesus and Corinth, etc. if it is a one time thing, then todays Christianity should mirror more of what the original apostles laid out, which we could use the didache as a source oppose to a Calvin or Luther, etc? Because Calvin or Luther or any other would not be considered a foundation piece.
Corey is trying to reconcile the cessationist falsehood with the fact that the Bible clearly disagrees with his theology. That's what this teaching amounts to. If there are no more apostles according to the cessationist view, then there shouldn't be any more prophets, teachers, pastors, or evangelists either.
They don't care about that, cause they know that this argument actually nulifies the church altogether. No pastors, no teachers, nothing. It's just crazy.
If apostles are a part of the five fold ministry gifts to the church. We are out of line to try and prevent this office from operating. Now it's true enough that we have those who have abused this office. That's really the biggest concern many are saying that they are apostles and prophets but they don't have God's approval.
@@RobTheTruth What scriptures state that 'Apostles' are no longer in the church? But, there are still Pastors, Teachers, Evangelists, and Prophets? So, just the Apostle (that Jesus gave to the church - Ephesians 4:10-11) has been done away with? Makes no sense!
@@RobTheTruth The original apostles and prophets' writings are called the foundation of biblical Christianity, but Eph. 2 does NOT teach that there were to be no more apostles or prophets after them. You're reading your assumptions into the text.
Could you imagine these so-called apostles to be called up on judgment day and they would say that they were apostles of God in the 21st century binding and casting out demons or healing back pain or headaches while getting filthy rich? Compare them to pastors who faithfully shepherd their flock to obscurity or missionaries who proclaim the gospel without health insurance or retirement.
Happy Thanksgiving Corey God bless you. I watched your manifesting video and I was wondering, can you go deeper into it? Mark 11 : 23-25 Matthew 8: 1-13 I think you could help out my whole generation. I’m 32 going on 33. Thank you have a blessed day!
To be honest; can’t we be considered apostles since we also witnessed the doings of Jesus and heard His words to His apostles through the accounts of the gospels? (Isaiah 43:12) (John 15:27) Could some believers be considered apostles since they spread the message of the gospel, as Jesus was an apostle: spreading the gospel? (Eph 4:11) (Rev 18:20) (Heb 3:1)
Whether or not there are still apostles, the issue I have is with those who insist on using the title for themselves. There are men in the church who care for, and shepherd the members. They ARE pastors, because that's what they do, regardless of titles. There are teachers, by the same reasoning; because that's their gift, and that's what they do. It is foolishness to grab at, and insist on using a title. And, for me, personally, it raises suspicion. If God has put/sent you somewhere for His purposes, just obey, do the work under His guidance, and be content to be called 'brother'.
Greetings saints and friends: thanks brother Corey for sharing this content because there's so many people who claim to be an apostle & I agree with the word and as you say the qualifications are people who saw Christ Jesus or were sent: Also I disagree with one statement you said concerning Paul preached the Same gospel? They preached the kingdom gospel and Paul preached the gospel of the Grace of God Ephesians 3:1-3; Christ crucified. Primarily to the gentiles & some Jews! Always thanks for sharing brotha
You are right my brother. Jesus can speak to anyone he chooses, at anytime he chooses, anywhere he chooses and for whatever reason he chooses. And, if one gift is obsolete, then what about the others, what makes them different? We still need healings, we still endowment by the holy ghost, we still need interpretation of tongues, we still need prophesy and so on. It is clear that the teacher is in disagreement with apostleship. But he is definitely throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
All the credentials necessary for being an Apostle are listed in the Scripture.. Please don't confuse normative for narrative..Paul's encounter was narrative and he himself has already said the he is the last .. God does heal and miracles still do happen but when tested against the scripture, what we see today is not the same thing, and there is an unhealthy obsession for signs and wonders rather than holiness and obedience...
If you say God is not calling anymore Apostles cause it was a one time gift as the word says in Ephesians that He gave, past-tense, that means all the following gifts after Apostles as well don't apply too since they were given at the same time right? We can not only choose the Apostles out of the gifts and live the rest unless there's a scripture confirming or to help us clarify the theory of no more Apostles
Corey, if you continue reading, it does give a timeline when they will not exist. Until.....we come unto the unity of the faith. That hasn't happened. Until....we come unto a perfect man. That hasn't happened either.
@KCRookie well, I understand. But it goes with the Sabbath Day issue. Do we only have 9 commandments? Do we only have pastors, evangelists, and teachers? Do we just throughout a portion of God's Word? Hmmmm.
So what separates, teachers and evangelist from apostles and prophets? Are the former 2 not legitimate? If one is called to serve for Christ's sake then you can absolutely be an apostle. If you wish to argue how this calling is determined could be invalid, then fine. But we are ok with titles that I can't recall being biblical like Deacon, Bishop etc, but pulling down those using biblically given titles seems very one sided.
Hey Corey when did the appstles get reborn was it at Jesus calling them to be the twelv or in John 20 or the day of pentecost? If youbcould could you adress this aswel. Or when did they recieve the holy spirit, the new testiment says if you dont have the holy spirit you are none of his, i hope i am explaining it. Thank you
I understand the discrepancy as far as Paul not meeting the 3 pointed criteria for an apostle. Just like bishops were appointed by the elders, even though there was also a criteria for bishop. The fact is, if you're not operating in them offices, then you don't keep the title. I personally believe the office of apostle ended with the conversion of the disciples.
So how can you say without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus hasn’t done it again. He always raises up someone to lead the church. The offices of the church don’t stop just because you believe Jesus is no longer working the same way he did with Paul. God does not change!!! I don’t agree with 99% of these men who call themselves apostles but that doesn’t mean Jesus no longer makes apostles. Be careful because you only proved your point based on your beliefs, not the word. No where does it say in scripture that there are no more apostles! In fact Ephesians 4:11 says otherwise. The church doesn’t change just because you don’t believe. Stop letting your unbelief dictate your message to the body of Christ!
You can tell when someone is Carismatic, they fight for dear life feelings I bet you speak in tongues, slain in the spirit believe Christian can have demons, etc
Prophets were in direct contact with Father God, the Apostles walked with Christ and had the spiritual gifts. But this conversation they not ready for because they all claiming to be "called" for "sent" and some even claim "created" to be apostles and prophets or prophetess 😅 🤦🏾♀️.
Your not understanding the 5 acention gifts, your not Most High, but your speaking that Yaw did not give gifts to men! SO YOUR SAYING HE TOOK THE GIFTS BACK ? 😢😢
I get annoyed with people who think they have all the answers. This site ( Cody ) seems to act like he is some kind of theologian. There is plenty I would disagree with him but, there are some things I would agree.
I would make the argument that Barnabas was appointed to the apostleship by the Holy Spirit (Acts 13:2) as he was separated, called and in verse 4, sent by the Holy Spirit. Barnabas was also with Paul when they went to Jerusalem to consult James concerning the gospel message. And in Acts 15:12-21 He was also confirmed by the miracles he did. The scriptures do not record that he saw Christ though.
It only proves that there is at least 1 true apostle somewhere. Satan wouldn't go out of his way to counterfeit a non-existent office. Paul mentions in his letters that there were heretics calling themselves apostles even in the 1st century, but you never see cessationists bring that up in their arguments. This is not unique to our times.
@theeternalsbeliever1779 Ethiopia, Asia, and India are a few countries that have access to the original Ethiopian Ge'ez Bible and biblical artifacts from the 1st century. It's more true Apostles in other countries abroad.
Ephesians 4 - He gave…until, let’s parse the scriptures correctly. Also, as you read in Acts 1, did Paul walk with them all the time Christ was with them from John’s baptism?
I know The Bible Doesn’t Say There Aren’t anymore Gifts that he said he gave in Ephesians, so how can we use our own understanding and assume that there are no more apostles when it was Paul himself self to write that down, The Church age hasn’t come to an end clearly cause we are still here today and Christ hasn’t came back so why are there still pastors and teacher evangelists but no prophets and apostles. This goes against what the Bible actually says. I’m not here for people to tell me what the Bible is saying I can read and comprehend no where in the Bible does it says theses gifts are no more , Man came up with that idea not the Bible
Brother Corey! 11:51 & 12:06 Do You Really Believe THE APOSTLE PAUL Needed Three Years To Study? It Reads, IMMEDIATELY He Began His Commision For CHRIST. Being Anointed By The HOLY SPIRIT. Why Would He Have To Study? Makes No Sense Whatsoever! This Is Nothing More Than Man's Lying Interpretation Of GOD'S HOLY SCRIPTURES!!! With All Due Respect My Brother!
Paul states in Gal. 1:15-18 that Christ personally instructed him in Arabia for the same amount of time that He instructed the original 12 apostles. Yes, Paul needed to study because he had to unlearn the false doctrines of Orthodox Judaism like they did. Paul didn't begin preaching until Peter validated him as a true apostle.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779No dispute. During Christ's 3 years. The holy spirit wasn't given. Paul was anointed by the holy spirit. Once anointed. He had a direct relationship with God. Everywhere in scripture. Immediately means the same thing. Grace and Peace be Multiplied unto you ❤
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So you want us not to believe our lying eyes and what scripture truly say. I guess Paul was a liar and what happened to him can't happen to him one else. There a hundreds of apostles quietly doing the Lord work and not seeking fame. Just because you dont believe it doesn't make it true, stop using selective scriptures out of context.
How many of the people today who have labeled themself an Apostle is actually doing the work of the Apostles? They all were sent out by Jesus Christ to establish churches through out the lands.They traveled from city to city. Today most of the people who wear the title apostle, are just wearing fancy robes and caps. What are they doing that makes them an apostle? And by what authority are they deemed an apostle! 🤔🧐
“And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.” 1 Corinthians 12:28 KJV “And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:” Ephesians 4:11-12 KJV
Paul is not saying that the Lord is continuously GIVING apostles. He's simply making a statement of what he gave and why. You will notice the office of Pastor and of evangelist is spoken of later in the scriptures while there is no more giving of Apostles. However we take this verse, the requirements still must be met, and that is 1. Have seen and have been sent by Jesus after his resurrection, 2. They are the foundation of the Church, 3. The sings of a TRUE apostle must accompany them.
@ so out of the 12 apostles, is Paul the last one? Because I read Barnabas, James the Lord’s brother, Titus, 2 unnamed messengers, Silvanus, and Timothy were called apostles
@ also when it says the church has been built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, it’s talking about the ORIGINAL 12, with Matthias being the replacement of Judas. Paul was not a foundational apostle because he wasn’t in the original 12
"Apostle" and "tithing" are of the same misuse. They sound churchy but are obsolete after 2000 years. Offerings and "thithes" are both used collection gathering. Thitheing was for temple, offerings are for the church age. Apostles are gone after John died.
Has this been Fulfilled yet ever? Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. Jesus came to me at 7 years old, and not in a dream face to face in my grandmas church. His face was too radiant to see, but the form bodily I saw as He approached me face to face, and He spoke through the Radiance 3 things to me that I still live by til this day. I almost died after that encounter though while at a fair I flew out the ride and the ride landed on me and an Angel saved my life even that day too that I saw visibly. Now, am I saying I see Angels all the time even now, no of course not, but are they with us, yes... Sounds crazy I know. My whole Salvation and even coming to Jesus was in and of itself Supernatural, to the natural mind that is. The same voice who came to me at 7, came to me in a bar in 1998 and the Fear of The Lord gripped me that night to the core of my being this time, and in this moment He said, it's time, you can no longer be of this lifestyle nor be here amongst this any longer, but I will send you back to these people you see before you to win them to Me one day to Save their Souls. It's time to Go. That night in that Bar through an encounter with Jesus Christ I surrendered my life. When I say FEAR, I mean FEAR of The Lord that grips you to the core where I knew in this moment how real Heaven and Hell truly was and the darkness of my sin and lifestyle in which I was living would lead me to Hell had I not turned. So, in saying all of this, people say those who SEE Jesus after the 12 like Saul did, are those He has Chosen as Apostles, but I'm not a Title Person, because even greater than Title is son... So, I get the Title stuff, and people sure do love their Titles especially in the Church because that's what Validates their Identity not Christ and it Soothes their Ego not Christ. They want the Praise if the truth be told, which is dangerous. Those who love Titles can have it, GIVE ME JESUS... So, in saying all of this. Do I Believe they still remain - Yes. Just not the ones we see today, the False Ones are not Apostles at all. Do I Believe a Woman can be an Apostle - NO and that I stand on fully. Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: Revelation 2:2 Revelation 2:2 I know your industry and activities, laborious toil and trouble, and your patient endurance, and how you cannot tolerate wicked [men] and have tested and critically appraised those who call [themselves] apostles (special messengers of Christ) and yet are not, and have found them to be impostors and liars.
So wouldn’t that tell us that Peter‘s qualifications can be circumvented by God since Paul did not meet all of peters qualifications I’m just trying to understand I do not believe that there are modern-day apostles. I believe the 12 were unique, but I still would like to understand it seems as though you’re not mentioning that Peter said they must have accompanied us
The Holy Spirit is the teacher and he is the true FAITHFUL WITNESS OF YAHSHUA AND THE APOSTLES HE CHOSE SPEAKING HIS VERY WORDS JOHN 14:1-17,26- ALSO AN APOSTLE IS NOT JUST ONE THAT'S SENT BUT ALSO IS A EYE WITNESS OF YAHSHUA AND CHOSEN By him FOR INSTANT THE DISCIPLE'S MATT.10:1- John 6:70; 15:1-16- ACTS 9:1-15; 10:1- 34-40 so it definitely the Holy Spirit in those vessels preaching and teaching through those men and women Col.1:1-(26-29) 1Cor.15:1-4 and they all preached the same thing the wonderful works of( GOD)Yahweh in The face of his MESSIYAH YAHUSHUA (JESUS ) AS THIS WORLD CALL'S HIM AND THE SCRIPTURES CANNOT BE BROKEN John.10:35 2COR.5:19-AND JUST LIKE THE FATHER WAS IN THE SON THE SON IS IN THE CHOSEN ONES DOING THE PREACHING JOHN5:1-(19)- MATT.19:26-(27)-30 I PRAY WE ALL COME TO ONE COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF YAHWEH'S ETERNAL PURPOSE
Grace and Peace Saints, Please study the Holy Scriptures for yourself. Know the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior King. When you are done having discussion debates discords about all these subjects, if you aren’t born again, none of these discussions will matter. Christ will return one day for His Church, His body, His bride. The Sons of God. Whether you have a title or not. Callings or gifts. None but the righteous shall see God. Whether you agree with others doctrines or not won’t matter. Having Salvation Having your Name written in the Lamb book of life. Walking in the Assignment: Mark 16:15📖
You are spot on! Sadly, the scriptures don't say Apostles stopped existing. The truth is, who cares what you consider yourself? If you are anointed and called to preach the truth, your title doesn't matter.
@@smartchristians here in is wisdom. those that came before us could never live long enough to cover everything in the holy scriptures. every issue, every situation. this is why order has been set in the church. GOD via the Holy scriptures has ordained and setup the church. Some functions to teach, preach, administrate, govern etc. If someone believes they can cover everything in the scriptures in their lifetime, by all means attend to this novel idea. The aged women have their assignment via scripture. The aged men their function. Peter an Apostle of Jesus Christ had his assignment, and he completed it. Paul an Apostle of Jesus Christ had his assignment, and he completed it. My prayer, well one of my prayers for the Church is that we complete the original biblical assignment. Being light and salt. Having received power - the holy ghost- being a witness of and unto Jesus Christ our Lord. My aim is not to convince anyone to stop these platforms, rather to encourage the Saints, that even though healthy debate or discussion is okay, lawful, let's examine how expedient it is. My life focus is rather on spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ, for it is the Power of God unto Salvation to everyone that believes. The internet, thou a tool that can be utilized for good can also be used as a trap by the enemy. Believers, arguing, fussing, and disrespecting each other. Matt 12:37 For by thy words you will be justified, by thy words you will be condemned. Word are being recorded daily. Lord helps us to speak sound doctrine. Have our conversation seasoned with Salt. My reward won't be for how many subjects, debates or discords I participated in but rather did, I live the life like Christ and do the Work according to the Holy Word of GOD. I am most thankful and appreciate of the Lord God for allowing me to come up among true men of God. Men full of the Holy Spirit, full of the Spirit of Wisdom and knowledge and understanding. Men who taught us to study the scriptures and be strong in the Lord. I didn't have social media, I had and have daily devotional, in person bible study where questions and answers can be exchanged. Prayer service fellowship where we pray until. We learned discipline, order, structure. Thank the Lord for the good leadership he gave me through the years. I honor them as the scripture teaches. Just as one may speak and another interpret the one that spoke had a part, the one that interpret had a part. The parts together made a whole or complete. Whatever this platform you have, you shall do as you see fit. My encouragement is to the Saint to stay focus and do the Biblical assignment. Christ our Holy King is coming soon. May you do what the Lord has commissioned you to do according to the Holy Word. I pray we all meet him in joy as the believers of Jesus Christ. Shalom.
Paul speaks their are five in the body but I haven't seen an apostle that fits the description that Paul tas about But there are apostles but I have not seen one today
Here is a thought! What makes you entitled to be a preacher or teacher or evangelists? Where doe scripture say that these positions exist and are the only legitimate ones? I challenge you to explain Apollos and Barnabas as Apostles? Out of the 540 that Jesus taught after his Crucifixion how many had the qualifications of Apostles? That would blow up the 12 or 13 Apostles only I am going back through study that there is a significance for them. Jesus however, made the five fold ministry. Read Ephesians 4:7-8 Psalms (68:19), read Ephesians 3:4-5. Read 1 Corinthians 4. If Apostles and Prophets don’t exist like you say why is there biblical characteristics and ministries if Apostles and Prophets don’t exist. I think your more worried about the terminology then what the Lord says. There is understanding difference in the meaning from Hebrew or Greek or Aramaic language spoken at the time. Forgive me if I didn’t proofread for all the errors.
It is clear to me that you believe Paul had a vision of Jesus Christ, but you do not believe anyone else had or have seen a vision of Jesus Christ. It was hard for Agrippa to believe paul also. But his disbelief didn't change a thing. You! Mr corey is a modern day Agrippa.😢
Yes, that is what "apostle" basically means. An apostle is someone who God ordains into the role, trains, and then sends out to do His Work and preach what He reveals. There are no special qualifications beyond that.
What is your source that says there will be no more apostles except those that went through the full ministry of Jesus? Jesus tells us to receive someone who is a prophet “in the name of a prophet.” There is no biblical encouragement for identifying certain ones as”teachers, evangelists, and pastors” and then to identify true prophets and apostles with descriptive but controversy- avoiding phrases like:”He has an apostolic (Or prophetic)ministry.”As if the Lord has given three nouns( teacher, evangelist , pastor) and two adjectives (apostolic, prophetic)! No! Jesus to receive a prophet “in the name of a prophet.” It’s time for the Church to shake off the fear of man and return to biblical patterns. You avoided 12-16 which was Jesus reasoning for the five fold and that the apostles and prophets were to be around until the end of the New Testament Age.
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:” - Ephesians 4:11-12 KJV Question: if there aren’t any Apostles then how is the Body of Christ being edified? You’re saying that the thumb is left off. It takes the complete hand of God to perfect the saints. The Apostle is connected to the Ministry (the Hand of God) Are you saying that Prophets, Evangelist, Pastors, and Teachers only exist in today’s age? If so, the church would be incomplete and the Body of Christ would not be edified based on the scripture mentioned above.
Paul did not see Jesus. He said, Who are you lord? I am Jesus the one you are persecuting. Paul did not see Jesus before or he would have recognized him. He did not see him in the flesh because it was in a vision that no on else saw when Jesus spoke to Paul. So the requirement even the other apostles made, they chose men who had seen Jesus in the flesh. So Paul does not qualify under your terms. And it appears anyone can see Jesus in a vision or after his resurrection. So your statement is false and your requirements to be an apostle are false. No one not even those with Paul seen Jesus present himself to Paul. Only heard. So anyone could claim to have seen Jesus (could be true or not true) and claim to be an apostle and meet the requirements of being a apostle after seeing Jesus in a vision.
Wrong, per the usual on this topic. Are there frauds wearing the title today? Absolutely. However, if there are no more apostles, then Eph 4:11-13 is a lie.
There are No Apostles. Those men who call themselves Apostles today are men seeking glory. They want God's glory too! One must have seen and been selected by Christ Himself In The Flesh, in order to be an Apostle. 1Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord? 2If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 1Cor 9. I do not believe these people are even saved. They are not hooked into God. They know religion, they know church, but only to those who have been born again know they could never decide they are an Apostle. It's heresy and it condemns them to being false. The same is with these so called prophets. If any prophecy does not come true, they are to be killed according to scripture. So these people are playing church. They better get ready for the judgement. It's coming and they will all be shocked that their judgement will be Christ at the Great White Throne Judgement.
Lies. Yes there are apostles today, it is written: 1 Corinthians 12:28: "And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. Nowhere in the scriptures did God say he would stop sending his apostles. Just like he never revoked any of the other offices and gifts listed on that verse.. In fact he said he would pour out his spirit in the latter times. Cory teaches some scriptures correctly, some falsely. But he is only human. This is why we are to be constantly led by the holyspirit, not rely on our own human understanding... Humans do not choose/send apostles, the holyspirit does.. Apostles were poor, humble and rejected by the world. No wonder the world still rejects them today. And how can you tell someone anointed under unction that Christ had not appeared to them? Just because he has not appeared to you? God promised people would dream dreams and see visions. False teachers/proud teachers deny this out of pride and bitter envy because they have not been set apart, and do not believe or fathom this wonderful office from God can still exist. And since God swt apostles over the church ahead of everyone, tbey dont wanna submit to anyones apostleship. Or because they have been misguided and are too prideful of their own current intellect, and will not be reproved with the love of the truth. But James said: James 3:14 14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice."
Brother Corey, your interpretation based on the Aorist tense of the word "gave" is not conclusive, and I am not sure even appropriate , because what is true about the gift of "apostles" is also true of all the gifts mentioned in those verses. If there is no longer a gift of apostles, that would apply to the other gifts mentioned. And no one doubts that the other gifts are for today. So we have a bit of a problem.
@@richardlicata8207 no. The point is the word given isn’t continuous. And it isn’t meant to be taken as though God will give them perpetually. The other offices we see continuing ( evangelist and pastor).
Few people would ever go through what the apostles did. They didn't have any fame till after they were brutally murdered.
Heck, most of these people can't even handle someone criticizing them when they are wrong.
Preach!!
If Paul called himself the least of all apostles, then these people today calling themselves 'apostles' must consider themselves greater than Paul. Which is obviously wrong.
So true thank you 💯❤😊
I am 100% annoyed by these people who call themselves "apostle".
I get annoyed by people who just say they don’t like something but, don’t have their proof!
@@debra1057. In all due respect, there are simply many of us who believe the role of "apostle" was specific to the early church. The Bible does not state that new apostles exist in the same sense as the original ones. The scriptures you are quoting were "roles" given by Christ to build the church. The passage itself does not specify whether these roles are for the past or present; however, the foundational roles of the early apostles is explained in Ephesians 2:20. The apostles today are primarily associated with the Pentecostal and charismatic movement. My position on this has nothing to do with Cory, though I believe there are far too many people using the title "apostle" to elevate themselves, and that is what I find most annoying. Peace and blessings to you. :)
I have never heard of Gino Jennings. I looked for information about him and I believe his theology is absolutely wrong. There is Ephesians 4:11-13 not Ephesians 14: 11-13 unless that was a mistake in your typing because Ephesians finishes at Ephesians 6:23. What are you talking about when you said, God took them out after he put them in. And what are you saying about stop adding to God’s word? I do not listen to Cory very often. If he has topics that I feel strongly about I will comment on them. He himself has never responded to any of my comments. Usually I think it’s because My narrative doesn’t fit what he wants to hear. Please tell me where I am adding. My Father and Grandfather were ministers and I have done my own studies outside for 60+ years.
Well the scriptures say it didn't stop. 1corinthians 12:28 God had send Apostles, preachers, pastors, prophets, teachers, gifts of healing . Now did the title of Bishop or pastor or prophet or pastors have ✋️ stop? No 👎 it didn't. If that's your interpretation. Than prophets, preachers, decons, evangelist, . There's nomore. That's under some. So u wrong.
Don't be annoyed it's a slew of doctrine that's off...they gearing up to celebrate the beloved Christmas god Tammuz who masquerades as Yeshua Hamashiach the ruach hakodesh. Heb 1:1-2 tells us how the Father speaks now... you've been told there's false apostles..now who could they be???Be blessed.
I’ve been telling people this for years. The only apostles we have, are the ones written. These other folks are fakes. Thank you for this video.
That's not true. Can't one of you find a scripture in the bible to support your statement. But, there is evidence that at least two apostles were appointed by Jesus after his ascension back to Heaven & since the bible declares Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and today, and forever, I believe if He did it then, He's doing it now. According to the bible first, apostles were placed in the church. Where do you see them taken out? There is no scripture to support that the apostles are no longer being appointed & if that's the case, why are preachers still in existence? I can agree that everyone who claim to be an apostle probably is not, but until you can prove by scripture that apostles are no longer in the church, they are still right where the bible say they are.....in the church!
@@debra1057 😂
@@debra1057 Are you saying that I’m going to Hell? You might want to be careful with that judgment buddy. You’re also calling me ignorant. You might want to rethink that judgement as well.
@@rml5126 Believe what you will. I’m not calling you names and saying you’re wrong. I simply agree with him on this subject matter. And no where in the Bible does he say.That there will be new apostles.
If it does send me the chapter and verse please. That way I can fix my thinking.
@@debra1057 Jennings is just a man.
And now , we have the truth all layed out in scripture. To God be the glory through the Lord Jesus Christ. Appreciate you, brother Corey.
Thank you for the teaching brother Corey!!! I know of someone that is titled Apostle (female) and it never really sat well with me. I’m having a hard time believing there are still Apostles in today’s world. I do believe (now) it’s self appointed. Why do we feel the need for titles? Why can’t we be children of the Most High God?!?!?! Pastors should be called just that who teach and preach in Spirit and in Truth. God bless🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
@@vanessadobbins6885 why do you have a hard time? Did God take away apostles out of the church or did man do that?
There is no need for apostles. Everyone that boasts that they are apostles just want a special title above others.
Jesus says to call no one father, rabbi, or master.
The apostles helped set up the church. The question a lot of these so-called apostles should be asked is "do you believe you are something more special than the normal Christian who risk their lives to do mission work and dedicate their lives to God?"
@@cowel8734 quick question, who’s the 12th apostle?
Jesus called 12 apostles... was even one a woman? I Timothy 2:12-15
Why would you have a hard time believing apostles exist today? Do you feel they were more necessary in that period of time than they are needed right now? Do you feel God was more concerned about people then, than He is today?
Amen thank you Abba for the TRUTH to be taught !! Praying every listener receives the Word spoken in Jesus name amen 🙏😊😊 Thank you brother Corey
Great video my brotha, this is something I haven’t really studied in depth. Really good breakdown! 💯🙏🏾💪🏾
@@DerronDorsey he’s taking out some parts of scripture as well
@@user-xt8jg5fq4nAmen! I wonder would he be willing to do a biblical and scriptural debate???
New sub past couple weeks. Thank you for your teachings. We need more teachers who speak and teach the full word of God
Some may be mentally ill. But most are just liars.
@@debra1057did you not read her statement? SOME may be mentally ill.
The scripture never say that the Lord stop calling Apostles so many should not assume and say that
@@darrenjohnson2912 Rightttttttttt
This was a blessing. For some years I was struggling with,”Who has anointed these modern day self proclaimed prophets.” You have confirmed through further scripture what I had begun to understand. May God continue to use you sir. 🙏🏾
Now people… don’t just say he’s wrong… if you disagree please bring Scripture. Thank you 😊
Revelation 22:17 😊, and how will the spirit work? For someone to come?
@@jonathanmcclinton8730seems everyone is a apostle then
I love the way you give hearts to those who agree with you. I think many of your so called debates are set so the people who follow you can help you look good. I do believe there are some screwed up ministries. However, there are things that are you opinion! What I would like to see is a written debate. You see debates done by people facing off is not reliable because the one with the charisma is going to win whether he or she is right or wrong. But, if is written with no name then people could decide for themselves. I think it is a much more accurate way to see what people believe. I was challenged when I was in college to find a Evolutionist to debate a Creationist Colonel. I would receive a thousand dollars if I could get one and I didn’t. But, debate with the written views. And let the listeners respond so that they’re not being guided in a certain direction and let the Holy Spirit Speak the Truth!
I disagree with anyone saying that there are No more Apostles.. Jesus said First in the Church is an Apostle.. He didn’t say Was which would be past tense.. He said First in the Church which means Now right now! At this present time until Christ comes.. I believe many people don’t understand what the scriptures are saying, think about it Jesus God Almighty had to open up the understanding of the Apostles, do we think that any of us are different! You can’t say there are no more Apostles just because you read where some Apostles seen Jesus and others didn’t! We must remember that God doesn’t change and the work that was performed then is going on Now. If we believe there are no Apostles then why do we believe there are pastors and so on? How can we take away from the book just because we don’t understand something but we go to great lengths in other parts of the Holy Scriptures to justify what We believe or Assume! It’s the same thing when it comes to Baptism, Many have been baptized Father, son and Holy Ghost, but ask yourself one question where in the scriptures did One Apostle or Evangelist, Elder Baptize that way? I read where Jesus Christ said go out baptizing in the Name of the Father, son and of the Holy Ghost! But if that’s right why did the Apostles Baptize in the Name of Jesus Christ not Father son Holy Ghost? This is what I mean leaning towards your own understanding and adding to what’s not written in the scriptures.. It’s better to just say I don’t understand it and fast and pray for the answer than to assume or guess what is being said or done! God said do not add to the word..
@@vancerobinson2787 great response
Men of today twist the scriptures to their own understanding. Amen brother, keep believing what’s written. The lord said he’s the same yesterday and today. He also said he will be with those apostles until the end of the world. The world didnt end as yet. We need an apostle of God to guide us, just like the lord Jesus use men to guide us out the womb of the world.
You just don't understand the scriptures Son. THERE ARE NO MORE APOSTLES PERIOD!!
@ by this lie alone you’ll be condemned. The book of scriptures are for our learning. God said what he said to one he said to all. Also, Jesus Christ told his apostles he will be with them until the end of the world. The world didn’t end as yet. God still ordained apostle and prophets. How can the people be lead without a preacher, and how can they preach unless they be sent! Not by no Bible college, God has to ordain a leader for his sheeps. Stop reading the book of scriptures like a story book. It’s for our guidance to the holy one
@@MarkWesley-fb3on If I don’t understand what’s written then give me the Scripture that says God Almighty took the Apostles out of the Church? Men like you read without understanding then Judge men like me who have Scripture to back up what we say! If Pastors exist why not Apostles? Didn’t Jesus Christ send our 72 men two by two to Preach and we don’t know their names? My point is the work didn’t stop with the Apostles of Old it’s still going on with Apostles of this day and Age Satan would have You believe God somehow Changed! His word is his word no matter if you and others believe it or not! People are dying worldwide without Repentance, Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ and not receiving the Holy Ghost but are in the lower parts of the earth 🌍 ready for damnation! The Laborers are few and the Harvest is plenty! No scripture removed the Apostles, not one ☝️ He said as it is written I will be with you until the end of the world! They are dead now some other men had to pick up the scripture’s and continue as Apostles to do the work even until the end! I know what’s written and Believe All of it not Adding or taking away from the scriptures.. I’ve prayed and asked God Jesus Christ to open my understanding and to teach me his ways, precepts, commandments, Judgments testimonies and standards! Im Beyond sure that God has answered my prayers! I have many testimonies! Amen
I'm just a child of God and I do not need a special title or to boast about my "special-ness"
These people just want the fame and special powers of the apostles without any of the hardships they face.
Silly titles that I hate hearing : apostle, chosen ones, lightworkers, prophet/prophetess, or anyone who boasts about being a special rank
No you are not an apostle (not even close). There are specific requirements and the Bible explains them well. I’m sure Cory will discuss this.
Where in the Bible does it say no more apostles
Where in the bible does it say no more virgin birth or no more Christs?!😡@@user-xt8jg5fq4n
@@user-xt8jg5fq4nWhy did the Lord choose only 12 apostles?!😡
@@user-xt8jg5fq4nwho were chosen after them?
Following that requirement in Acts 1, Paul is not an Apostle (among the 12) that requirement was for those who saw Jesus when he went in and out among the brethren from the days of John the Baptist Jordan baptism until the day he was ascended from Olivet) By that criteria Paul doesn't qualify not even close! But Paul is an Apostle and not in the same sense as the 12
I'm asking again this question no one ever seems to address this in Ephesians 4:11 These offices are listed together. We know this by the commas. Why is it that we are saying that Apostle is no longer valid but these other offices are still in work. If you saying that office of Apostle is no longer valid then all those offices listed with Apostle are also invalid today. So please with all sincererity how is this possible? According my studies there are no clear scriptures explaining the office is no longer valid. Yes Paul did call out fake Apostles but that doesn't preclude that the office it self is no longer valid. Please address this.
Paul is not saying that the Lord is continuously GIVING apostles. He's simply making a statement of what he gave and why. You will notice the office of Pastor and of evangelist is spoken of later in the scriptures while there is no more giving of Apostles. However we take this verse, the requirements still must be met, and that is 1. Have seen and have been sent by Jesus after his resurrection, 2. They are the foundation of the Church, 3. The sings of a TRUE apostle must accompany them.
No more,
They understand with their minds, not the spirit!!! You're on point. Spiritual principles are foolishness to those who do not understand. They don't believe in generational curses, or tongues, or that believers can be demonized (not possessed)! Either way, we are all brothers and sisters in christ. Does a title disqualify you? No!!!!!
The original text of scripture is without commas, numbers, ect.. we added these things.
@smartchristians Well let's look at this.
1. The word "apostle" is not capitalized meaning Paul is not denoting a specific set of people or person. Neither does the hebrew or greek capitalize "apostolos" or shali' ah either in this particular passage.
2. Silence on the topic going forward does not preclude the office is invalid.
3. The list qualifications are the similarities/experiences that each held in common as appointed "Apostles" of Christ. That also does not denote that this is the only way to become an "apostle". For example some would say (not me) that Paul never met Jesus physically so how could he be an Apostle. We hold his experience on the road to Damascus as sacred/valid then invalidate and tell others who say they've had an encountered God and say they are appointed this position. One could argue there is no comfirmation by others like Paul had with Barnabus and Titus. The only thing I would argue even if they did have comfirmation most would not believe because many hold the position so highly. (Almost in a state of idoltry in my opinion)
Thank you for responding. God Bless
Amen! Spot on, as always. Keep doing God’s work. 🙏🏽
Excellent video brother, thank you.
If the risen Christ has not appeared to someone today, they are NOT an Apostle! The Man will also have the Gift’s of an Apostle!
Thank you brother for sharing, I studied this topic and whatever you're saying is biblically correct.
@debra1057 The problem some people call themselves Apostles and start teaching a different doctorine from the Bible. We are told to build from the foundation of the Apostles. Therefore we should follow exactly as they instructed.
For instance Apostle Paul forbids women from pastoring. Some have overruled that law by calling themselves Apostles. Giving a different foundation for people to build from.
Love this brotha 💯
The Lord Jesus is the foundation of the church and he sets in the church what is needed to perfect it. He is still the head over all things to the church and can appoint whomever he wills to be an apostle. As long as there is a church still here on earth which needs growth and perfecting, the Lord will provide what it needs.
Hey Corey! So, I am a continuationist and believe in the present day ministry gifts of apostles and prophets. You mentioned the greek tense of the word “gave” in verse 11 to back your argument which didn’t connect in my understanding because that same reasoning can’t be used for the other ministry gifts listed: Evangelists, Pastors/Teachers. I am also reformed in my understanding of God’s sovereignty so I am not opposed to the common reformed understanding that Pastor/Teacher are one gift.
Some of my argumentation around the veracity of the continuation of apostolic ministry is that Ephesians 4 says the gifts were given to the Church WHEN Christ ascended not before. This seems to make it clear that there is a distinction between the 12 Apostles of the Lamb, who were eye witnesses of the incarnate God and had the authority to write Scripture, from the Ephesians 4 Apostles given to the Church which I believe are essential in planting churches. The word missionary, as I’m sure you are aware of, is not even in the Bible. I believe the fruit of apostolic ministry is a team of “missionaries” that plant churches that plant churches. Let me know what you think! Love you brother!
-In Christ
Bro Brady
Christ still calls and appoints his Apostles. He also shows himself to them in the Spirit realm, and also through dreams and visions. The Holy Spirit conveys, speaks, and brings us (mankind) information from God. God's ways and thoughts are higher than ours. We should not dictate how He works now. He is God. The natural man cannot comprehend the things of the Spirit. May God give us : wisdom, knowledge and understanding of His Word. And He is still speaking today. Blessings.
@@rosepitts5599So, how are these people deemed apostles? What are they doing that makes them an apostle? I’ve seen many people labeled as Apostles, wearing fancy robes; but I don’t see what this person is doing that makes him or her an apostle.
@@rosepitts5599God will not contradict himself. Their are no new apostles of Christ. No one alive has seen christ physically. So their can be no new apostles.
Any body can say they had a dream or a vision, those can't be verified so they don't count. All of the apostles where verified by the other apostles to have seen the risen Christ. Also non of these current apostles are hated by the world, they seem to love and be loved by the world and the things of this world.
@@zeroch1ll150 Amen
Yes, Cory! Apostles still exist. Do you know why? Because, the Church still exist. 1 Corinthians 12:28 says apostles were set in the church, where is the scripture that says they were taken out? Your opinion don't count. What does bible say? That's all that matters.
Acts 1..... is the qualifications of the disciple not the LORD or the Holy Spirit..... Note : As a matter of fact, they cast lots to choose Judas successor, which was a pagan practice.....
Thank you for telling the truth and I know for a fact that you are
Great video Corey. Very informative.
How Many Apostles Are Recorded Here? KJV - Revelation 21 : 14 “And The Wall Of
The City Had Twelve Foundations, And In THEM The NAMES Of THE Twelve APOSTLES
Of THE LAMB.” Case Closed!!!!
17:03 Amen Brother!!! Are These Modern Apostles Proven? As It Is Written
KJV - 2 Corinthians 12 : 12 “TRULY The SIGNS Of An APOSTLE Were Wrought Among
YOU In All Patience, IN SIGNS, And WONDERS, And MIGHTY DEEDS.” The Answer.... NOPE!
Hi Corey, this was a very good and edifying discussion.
I thank the Lord for placing this on your heart to help clarify.
Question:
Can we have present day apostles that are sent by a church? Not apostles of Christ, but sent apostles by a church.
Based on this interpretation, who were the Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers that were appointed by Christ. Being that the Holy Spirit doesn’t speak on his authority, is not those appointed as apostles by man under the leading Holy Spirit to be considered as appointed by Christ.
Acts 13:2 - while they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.”… so being sent out by the Holy Spirit they went…
One can’t use the argument that the Bible doesn’t mention it in the scriptures because there is a lot that the New Testament doesn’t expressly mention that Christians practice. But the fact that we are having this discussion is proof that Eph 4:13 has yet to be fulfilled😂😂
They were used for the foundation of the New Testament Church Son. There were no churches back then. The gospel had barely been published outside of that region.
@ I know they were for the foundation as Bible makes clear but that doesn’t answer the point he made by Jesus specifically giving these positions. What do you mean by there were no churches back then. Are you defining church by a building, or how Jesus defines it? If you are using Jesus definition then you have the church at the end of Acts 2, which would have started in Jerusalem. If Apostles and prophets are foundations are the foundations for the church globally, thus a one time foundation or are they regional? For example apostles and prophets for the church in Ephesus and Corinth, etc. if it is a one time thing, then todays Christianity should mirror more of what the original apostles laid out, which we could use the didache as a source oppose to a Calvin or Luther, etc? Because Calvin or Luther or any other would not be considered a foundation piece.
🤔...so there are no prohpets, teachers, evangelist, then... there is a list there. Why focus on Apostles only? Forgive me, if I don't understand.
Valid?
Corey is trying to reconcile the cessationist falsehood with the fact that the Bible clearly disagrees with his theology. That's what this teaching amounts to. If there are no more apostles according to the cessationist view, then there shouldn't be any more prophets, teachers, pastors, or evangelists either.
They don't care about that, cause they know that this argument actually nulifies the church altogether. No pastors, no teachers, nothing. It's just crazy.
Was Stephen An Apostle? As It Is Written! KJV - Acts 6 : 8 “And Stephen, FULL Of FAITH
And POWER, Did GREAT WONDERS And MIRACLES Among THE PEOPLE.”
@@jonathanmcclinton8730 Amen! God Given!
If you don't mind can you tell me what is the name of the software your using showing the Greek and Hebrew words on your screen to my right,,?
Thank you Apostle Corey. 😊
If apostles are a part of the five fold ministry gifts to the church. We are out of line to try and prevent this office from operating. Now it's true enough that we have those who have abused this office. That's really the biggest concern many are saying that they are apostles and prophets but they don't have God's approval.
The apostles and prophets are the foundation. There are no more
@@RobTheTruth so who are the foundational prophets and apostles?
I’m tired of reformed theology
@@RobTheTruth What scriptures state that 'Apostles' are no longer in the church? But, there are still Pastors, Teachers, Evangelists, and Prophets? So, just the Apostle (that Jesus gave to the church - Ephesians 4:10-11) has been done away with? Makes no sense!
@@RobTheTruth The original apostles and prophets' writings are called the foundation of biblical Christianity, but Eph. 2 does NOT teach that there were to be no more apostles or prophets after them. You're reading your assumptions into the text.
Could you imagine these so-called apostles to be called up on judgment day and they would say that they were apostles of God in the 21st century binding and casting out demons or healing back pain or headaches while getting filthy rich? Compare them to pastors who faithfully shepherd their flock to obscurity or missionaries who proclaim the gospel without health insurance or retirement.
Happy Thanksgiving Corey God bless you. I watched your manifesting video and I was wondering, can you go deeper into it? Mark 11 : 23-25 Matthew 8: 1-13 I think you could help out my whole generation. I’m 32 going on 33. Thank you have a blessed day!
To be honest; can’t we be considered apostles since we also witnessed the doings of Jesus and heard His words to His apostles through the accounts of the gospels? (Isaiah 43:12) (John 15:27)
Could some believers be considered apostles since they spread the message of the gospel, as Jesus was an apostle: spreading the gospel? (Eph 4:11) (Rev 18:20) (Heb 3:1)
Great bible study.
Whether or not there are still apostles, the issue I have is with those who insist on using the title for themselves. There are men in the church who care for, and shepherd the members. They ARE pastors, because that's what they do, regardless of titles. There are teachers, by the same reasoning; because that's their gift, and that's what they do.
It is foolishness to grab at, and insist on using a title. And, for me, personally, it raises suspicion.
If God has put/sent you somewhere for His purposes, just obey, do the work under His guidance, and be content to be called 'brother'.
Amen and AMEN!!!!!
Greetings saints and friends: thanks brother Corey for sharing this content because there's so many people who claim to be an apostle & I agree with the word and as you say the qualifications are people who saw Christ Jesus or were sent: Also I disagree with one statement you said concerning Paul preached the Same gospel? They preached the kingdom gospel and Paul preached the gospel of the Grace of God Ephesians 3:1-3; Christ crucified. Primarily to the gentiles & some Jews! Always thanks for sharing brotha
Paul saw Christ in a VISION which happens to this day.
You are right my brother. Jesus can speak to anyone he chooses, at anytime he chooses, anywhere he chooses and for whatever reason he chooses. And, if one gift is obsolete, then what about the others, what makes them different? We still need healings, we still endowment by the holy ghost, we still need interpretation of tongues, we still need prophesy and so on. It is clear that the teacher is in disagreement with apostleship. But he is definitely throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
All the credentials necessary for being an Apostle are listed in the Scripture..
Please don't confuse normative for narrative..Paul's encounter was narrative and he himself has already said the he is the last ..
God does heal and miracles still do happen but when tested against the scripture, what we see today is not the same thing, and there is an unhealthy obsession for signs and wonders rather than holiness and obedience...
@@terrencehall7264Apostleship is not a gift.
Thank you brother.
Idk why calling yourself an apostle is so important I was always confused about this topic because I didn’t get what the big deal was.
So if God's word is still relevant today does not Jesus still call men or send men ..
If you say God is not calling anymore Apostles cause it was a one time gift as the word says in Ephesians that He gave, past-tense, that means all the following gifts after Apostles as well don't apply too since they were given at the same time right? We can not only choose the Apostles out of the gifts and live the rest unless there's a scripture confirming or to help us clarify the theory of no more Apostles
Corey, if you continue reading, it does give a timeline when they will not exist. Until.....we come unto the unity of the faith. That hasn't happened. Until....we come unto a perfect man. That hasn't happened either.
Amen! I wonder would he do a biblical and scriptural debate???
Most won’t deal with this argument. They must quit moving the goalpost
@KCRookie well, I understand. But it goes with the Sabbath Day issue. Do we only have 9 commandments? Do we only have pastors, evangelists, and teachers? Do we just throughout a portion of God's Word? Hmmmm.
So what separates, teachers and evangelist from apostles and prophets? Are the former 2 not legitimate?
If one is called to serve for Christ's sake then you can absolutely be an apostle.
If you wish to argue how this calling is determined could be invalid, then fine. But we are ok with titles that I can't recall being biblical like Deacon, Bishop etc, but pulling down those using biblically given titles seems very one sided.
@@cerrengriffith4852 I believe they are still in operation today.
Hey Corey when did the appstles get reborn was it at Jesus calling them to be the twelv or in John 20 or the day of pentecost? If youbcould could you adress this aswel. Or when did they recieve the holy spirit, the new testiment says if you dont have the holy spirit you are none of his, i hope i am explaining it. Thank you
I understand the discrepancy as far as Paul not meeting the 3 pointed criteria for an apostle. Just like bishops were appointed by the elders, even though there was also a criteria for bishop. The fact is, if you're not operating in them offices, then you don't keep the title. I personally believe the office of apostle ended with the conversion of the disciples.
I love this one. In their expensive suits calling themselves apostles. Where is the suffering for the name of HaMashiach?
So how can you say without a shadow of a doubt that Jesus hasn’t done it again. He always raises up someone to lead the church. The offices of the church don’t stop just because you believe Jesus is no longer working the same way he did with Paul. God does not change!!! I don’t agree with 99% of these men who call themselves apostles but that doesn’t mean Jesus no longer makes apostles. Be careful because you only proved your point based on your beliefs, not the word. No where does it say in scripture that there are no more apostles! In fact Ephesians 4:11 says otherwise. The church doesn’t change just because you don’t believe. Stop letting your unbelief dictate your message to the body of Christ!
God does not change, how he deals with man does there was an Old Testament, now there’s a New Testament
You can tell when someone is Carismatic, they fight for dear life feelings I bet you speak in tongues, slain in the spirit believe Christian can have demons, etc
Spot on!!!
@@RenardGarzaro no actually I don’t…. But defending scripture is a must!!
Prophets were in direct contact with Father God, the Apostles walked with Christ and had the spiritual gifts. But this conversation they not ready for because they all claiming to be "called" for "sent" and some even claim "created" to be apostles and prophets or prophetess 😅 🤦🏾♀️.
Amazing thank you!!!
QUESTION are you being disrespectful if you refuse to address someone as apostle Smith?
Your not understanding the 5 acention gifts, your not Most High, but your speaking that Yaw did not give gifts to men! SO YOUR SAYING HE TOOK THE GIFTS BACK ? 😢😢
On the other hand, your use of Acts 2 is a better application and more definitive about what an "apostle" is, i.e., a true New Testament apostle.
I get annoyed with people who think they have all the answers. This site ( Cody ) seems to act like he is some kind of theologian. There is plenty I would disagree with him but, there are some things I would agree.
I would make the argument that Barnabas was appointed to the apostleship by the Holy Spirit (Acts 13:2) as he was separated, called and in verse 4, sent by the Holy Spirit. Barnabas was also with Paul when they went to Jerusalem to consult James concerning the gospel message. And in Acts 15:12-21 He was also confirmed by the miracles he did. The scriptures do not record that he saw Christ though.
It's too many self proclaimed or man approved false Apostles. A true Apostle must be sent by God and Yahusha Christ, with sound doctrine.
@debra1057 I agree, he's a modern day Apostle. 🙏🏾
It only proves that there is at least 1 true apostle somewhere. Satan wouldn't go out of his way to counterfeit a non-existent office. Paul mentions in his letters that there were heretics calling themselves apostles even in the 1st century, but you never see cessationists bring that up in their arguments. This is not unique to our times.
@theeternalsbeliever1779 Ethiopia, Asia, and India are a few countries that have access to the original Ethiopian Ge'ez Bible and biblical artifacts from the 1st century. It's more true Apostles in other countries abroad.
Ephesians 4 - He gave…until, let’s parse the scriptures correctly. Also, as you read in Acts 1, did Paul walk with them all the time Christ was with them from John’s baptism?
I know The Bible Doesn’t Say There Aren’t anymore Gifts that he said he gave in Ephesians, so how can we use our own understanding and assume that there are no more apostles when it was Paul himself self to write that down, The Church age hasn’t come to an end clearly cause we are still here today and Christ hasn’t came back so why are there still pastors and teacher evangelists but no prophets and apostles. This goes against what the Bible actually says. I’m not here for people to tell me what the Bible is saying I can read and comprehend no where in the Bible does it says theses gifts are no more , Man came up with that idea not the Bible
By this logic does that mean that no one today has any of the other gifts?
Brother Corey! 11:51 & 12:06 Do You Really Believe THE APOSTLE PAUL
Needed Three Years To Study? It Reads, IMMEDIATELY He Began His Commision For
CHRIST. Being Anointed By The HOLY SPIRIT. Why Would He Have To Study? Makes No
Sense Whatsoever! This Is Nothing More Than Man's Lying Interpretation Of GOD'S HOLY
SCRIPTURES!!! With All Due Respect My Brother!
Paul states in Gal. 1:15-18 that Christ personally instructed him in Arabia for the same amount of time that He instructed the original 12 apostles. Yes, Paul needed to study because he had to unlearn the false doctrines of Orthodox Judaism like they did. Paul didn't begin preaching until Peter validated him as a true apostle.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779No dispute. During Christ's 3 years. The holy spirit wasn't given. Paul was anointed by the holy spirit. Once anointed. He had a direct relationship with God. Everywhere in scripture. Immediately means the same thing. Grace and Peace be Multiplied unto you ❤
These fakes like to power grab with titles. Thanks for another great teaching.
We will need an explanation of ACTS 14:14
The middle class needs more help for real. Those in the lower middle class , earning a $100, 000 a month can't qualify for even a one bedroom unit from NHT!!!
So you want us not to believe our lying eyes and what scripture truly say. I guess Paul was a liar and what happened to him can't happen to him one else. There a hundreds of apostles quietly doing the Lord work and not seeking fame. Just because you dont believe it doesn't make it true, stop using selective scriptures out of context.
How many of the people today who have labeled themself an Apostle is actually doing the work of the Apostles? They all were sent out by Jesus Christ to establish churches through out the lands.They traveled from city to city. Today most of the people who wear the title apostle, are just wearing fancy robes and caps. What are they doing that makes them an apostle? And by what authority are they deemed an apostle! 🤔🧐
Barnabas was sent by Christ through the Holy Spirit in the book of Acts.
“And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.”
1 Corinthians 12:28 KJV
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:”
Ephesians 4:11-12 KJV
Paul is not saying that the Lord is continuously GIVING apostles. He's simply making a statement of what he gave and why. You will notice the office of Pastor and of evangelist is spoken of later in the scriptures while there is no more giving of Apostles. However we take this verse, the requirements still must be met, and that is 1. Have seen and have been sent by Jesus after his resurrection, 2. They are the foundation of the Church, 3. The sings of a TRUE apostle must accompany them.
@ so out of the 12 apostles, is Paul the last one? Because I read Barnabas, James the Lord’s brother, Titus, 2 unnamed messengers, Silvanus, and Timothy were called apostles
@ also when it says the church has been built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets, it’s talking about the ORIGINAL 12, with Matthias being the replacement of Judas. Paul was not a foundational apostle because he wasn’t in the original 12
So By his reasoning, then there is, Firstly - No More Apostles, Secondly - No More Prophets, Thirdly - No More Teachers etc
Amen! I wonder would he do a biblical and scriptural debate???
"Apostle" and "tithing" are of the same misuse.
They sound churchy but are obsolete after 2000 years. Offerings and "thithes" are both used collection gathering. Thitheing was for temple, offerings are for the church age. Apostles are gone after John died.
Amen
Amen
Has this been Fulfilled yet ever? Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ.
Jesus came to me at 7 years old, and not in a dream face to face in my grandmas church. His face was too radiant to see, but the form bodily I saw as He approached me face to face, and He spoke through the Radiance 3 things to me that I still live by til this day. I almost died after that encounter though while at a fair I flew out the ride and the ride landed on me and an Angel saved my life even that day too that I saw visibly. Now, am I saying I see Angels all the time even now, no of course not, but are they with us, yes... Sounds crazy I know. My whole Salvation and even coming to Jesus was in and of itself Supernatural, to the natural mind that is. The same voice who came to me at 7, came to me in a bar in 1998 and the Fear of The Lord gripped me that night to the core of my being this time, and in this moment He said, it's time, you can no longer be of this lifestyle nor be here amongst this any longer, but I will send you back to these people you see before you to win them to Me one day to Save their Souls. It's time to Go. That night in that Bar through an encounter with Jesus Christ I surrendered my life. When I say FEAR, I mean FEAR of The Lord that grips you to the core where I knew in this moment how real Heaven and Hell truly was and the darkness of my sin and lifestyle in which I was living would lead me to Hell had I not turned. So, in saying all of this, people say those who SEE Jesus after the 12 like Saul did, are those He has Chosen as Apostles, but I'm not a Title Person, because even greater than Title is son... So, I get the Title stuff, and people sure do love their Titles especially in the Church because that's what Validates their Identity not Christ and it Soothes their Ego not Christ. They want the Praise if the truth be told, which is dangerous. Those who love Titles can have it, GIVE ME JESUS... So, in saying all of this. Do I Believe they still remain - Yes. Just not the ones we see today, the False Ones are not Apostles at all. Do I Believe a Woman can be an Apostle - NO and that I stand on fully.
Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Revelation 2:2 Revelation 2:2 I know your industry and activities, laborious toil and trouble, and your patient endurance, and how you cannot tolerate wicked [men] and have tested and critically appraised those who call [themselves] apostles (special messengers of Christ) and yet are not, and have found them to be impostors and liars.
Yeah dude ….something is really WRONG with you!!
@@sanjoserock1 Righteous duuuude.. hey dude hilarious 😂
Most of the ones that call themselves Apostles are self-serving and title-seeking.
I’m in agreement with you, but wouldn’t that seem to disqualify Paul Paul had not accompanied them previously
Apostle Paul was the last
@philw9787 agrreed but he did not meets the requirenents laid out by peter. And it the one they chose by saud requirements was never heard from
@@philw9787 he wasn’t the last. That’s nowhere in the Bible
So wouldn’t that tell us that Peter‘s qualifications can be circumvented by God since Paul did not meet all of peters qualifications I’m just trying to understand I do not believe that there are modern-day apostles. I believe the 12 were unique, but I still would like to understand it seems as though you’re not mentioning that Peter said they must have accompanied us
The Holy Spirit is the teacher and he is the true FAITHFUL WITNESS OF YAHSHUA AND THE APOSTLES HE CHOSE SPEAKING HIS VERY WORDS JOHN 14:1-17,26- ALSO AN APOSTLE IS NOT JUST ONE THAT'S SENT BUT ALSO IS A EYE WITNESS OF YAHSHUA AND CHOSEN By him FOR INSTANT THE DISCIPLE'S MATT.10:1- John 6:70; 15:1-16- ACTS 9:1-15; 10:1- 34-40 so it definitely the Holy Spirit in those vessels preaching and teaching through those men and women Col.1:1-(26-29) 1Cor.15:1-4 and they all preached the same thing the wonderful works of( GOD)Yahweh in The face of his MESSIYAH YAHUSHUA (JESUS ) AS THIS WORLD CALL'S HIM AND THE SCRIPTURES CANNOT BE BROKEN John.10:35 2COR.5:19-AND JUST LIKE THE FATHER WAS IN THE SON THE SON IS IN THE CHOSEN ONES DOING THE PREACHING JOHN5:1-(19)- MATT.19:26-(27)-30 I PRAY WE ALL COME TO ONE COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF YAHWEH'S ETERNAL PURPOSE
Barnabas, Paul, James the Lord’s brother, Titus, 2 unnamed, Silvanus, Timothy were apostles, so what are you talking about?
Mary saw Jesus resurrection
😂😂😂😂, please don’t let Gino hear you!!!!!!!!!
Grace and Peace Saints,
Please study the Holy Scriptures for yourself.
Know the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior King.
When you are done having discussion debates discords about all these subjects, if you aren’t born again, none of these discussions will matter.
Christ will return one day for His Church, His body, His bride.
The Sons of God.
Whether you have a title or not. Callings or gifts.
None but the righteous shall see God.
Whether you agree with others doctrines or not won’t matter.
Having Salvation
Having your Name written in the Lamb book of life.
Walking in the Assignment:
Mark 16:15📖
Should we not cover everything in the Bible?
You are spot on! Sadly, the scriptures don't say Apostles stopped existing. The truth is, who cares what you consider yourself? If you are anointed and called to preach the truth, your title doesn't matter.
@@smartchristians here in is wisdom. those that came before us could never live long enough to cover everything in the holy scriptures. every issue, every situation. this is why order has been set in the church. GOD via the Holy scriptures has ordained and setup the church. Some functions to teach, preach, administrate, govern etc. If someone believes they can cover everything in the scriptures in their lifetime, by all means attend to this novel idea. The aged women have their assignment via scripture. The aged men their function. Peter an Apostle of Jesus Christ had his assignment, and he completed it. Paul an Apostle of Jesus Christ had his assignment, and he completed it.
My prayer, well one of my prayers for the Church is that we complete the original biblical assignment. Being light and salt. Having received power - the holy ghost- being a witness of and unto Jesus Christ our Lord.
My aim is not to convince anyone to stop these platforms, rather to encourage the Saints, that even though healthy debate or discussion is okay, lawful, let's examine how expedient it is. My life focus is rather on spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ, for it is the Power of God unto Salvation to everyone that believes.
The internet, thou a tool that can be utilized for good can also be used as a trap by the enemy. Believers, arguing, fussing, and disrespecting each other.
Matt 12:37
For by thy words you will be justified, by thy words you will be condemned.
Word are being recorded daily. Lord helps us to speak sound doctrine. Have our conversation seasoned with Salt.
My reward won't be for how many subjects, debates or discords I participated in but rather did, I live the life like Christ and do the Work according to the Holy Word of GOD.
I am most thankful and appreciate of the Lord God for allowing me to come up among true men of God.
Men full of the Holy Spirit, full of the Spirit of Wisdom and knowledge and understanding.
Men who taught us to study the scriptures and be strong in the Lord. I didn't have social media, I had and have daily devotional, in person bible study where questions and answers can be exchanged. Prayer service fellowship where we pray until.
We learned discipline, order, structure.
Thank the Lord for the good leadership he gave me through the years. I honor them as the scripture teaches.
Just as one may speak and another interpret the one that spoke had a part, the one that interpret had a part.
The parts together made a whole or complete.
Whatever this platform you have, you shall do as you see fit.
My encouragement is to the Saint to stay focus and do the Biblical assignment.
Christ our Holy King is coming soon.
May you do what the Lord has commissioned you to do according to the Holy Word.
I pray we all meet him in joy as the believers of Jesus Christ.
Shalom.
So my question is that true for the Pastor? Pastor was only for that time or all the five fold. Is that what you are saying?
My other questions is what Bible do you use KJV?
Paul speaks their are
five in the body but I haven't seen an apostle that fits the description that Paul tas about
But there are apostles but I have not seen one today
They ARE apostles, just FALSE apostles. So, yes they are apostles.
Here is a thought! What makes you entitled to be a preacher or teacher or evangelists? Where doe scripture say that these positions exist and are the only legitimate ones? I challenge you to explain Apollos and Barnabas as Apostles? Out of the 540 that Jesus taught after his Crucifixion how many had the qualifications of Apostles? That would blow up the 12 or 13 Apostles only I am going back through study that there is a significance for them. Jesus however, made the five fold ministry. Read Ephesians 4:7-8 Psalms (68:19), read Ephesians 3:4-5. Read 1 Corinthians 4. If Apostles and Prophets don’t exist like you say why is there biblical characteristics and ministries if Apostles and Prophets don’t exist. I think your more worried about the terminology then what the Lord says. There is understanding difference in the meaning from Hebrew or Greek or Aramaic language spoken at the time. Forgive me if I didn’t proofread for all the errors.
It is clear to me that you believe Paul had a vision of Jesus Christ, but you do not believe anyone else had or have seen a vision of Jesus Christ. It was hard for Agrippa to believe paul also. But his disbelief didn't change a thing. You! Mr corey is a modern day Agrippa.😢
I thought APOSTLE meant one that is sent?
Yes, that is what "apostle" basically means. An apostle is someone who God ordains into the role, trains, and then sends out to do His Work and preach what He reveals. There are no special qualifications beyond that.
What is your source that says there will be no more apostles except those that went through the full ministry of Jesus? Jesus tells us to receive someone who is a prophet “in the name of a prophet.” There is no biblical encouragement for identifying certain ones as”teachers, evangelists, and pastors” and then to identify true prophets and apostles with descriptive but controversy- avoiding phrases like:”He has an apostolic (Or prophetic)ministry.”As if the Lord has given three nouns( teacher, evangelist , pastor) and two adjectives (apostolic, prophetic)! No! Jesus to receive a prophet “in the name of a prophet.” It’s time for the Church to shake off the fear of man and return to biblical patterns. You avoided 12-16 which was Jesus reasoning for the five fold and that the apostles and prophets were to be around until the end of the New Testament Age.
I have been telling people this for years there is no such thing as a modern-day apostle
“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:”
- Ephesians 4:11-12 KJV
Question: if there aren’t any Apostles then how is the Body of Christ being edified? You’re saying that the thumb is left off. It takes the complete hand of God to perfect the saints. The Apostle is connected to the Ministry (the Hand of God)
Are you saying that Prophets, Evangelist, Pastors, and Teachers only exist in today’s age? If so, the church would be incomplete and the Body of Christ would not be edified based on the scripture mentioned above.
Hey Corey the foundation of the church is not the apostle it is the Lord Jesus
Amen! I wonder would he do a biblical and scriptural debate???
Paul did not see Jesus. He said, Who are you lord? I am Jesus the one you are persecuting. Paul did not see Jesus before or he would have recognized him. He did not see him in the flesh because it was in a vision that no on else saw when Jesus spoke to Paul. So the requirement even the other apostles made, they chose men who had seen Jesus in the flesh. So Paul does not qualify under your terms. And it appears anyone can see Jesus in a vision or after his resurrection. So your statement is false and your requirements to be an apostle are false. No one not even those with Paul seen Jesus present himself to Paul. Only heard. So anyone could claim to have seen Jesus (could be true or not true) and claim to be an apostle and meet the requirements of being a apostle after seeing Jesus in a vision.
thank u
Short Answer....No
Wrong, per the usual on this topic. Are there frauds wearing the title today? Absolutely. However, if there are no more apostles, then Eph 4:11-13 is a lie.
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Every Apostle is sent of Christ, not the Church, the Church doesn't have the authority to call and send someone under the title Apostle.
There are No Apostles. Those men who call themselves Apostles today are men seeking glory. They want God's glory too! One must have seen and been selected by Christ Himself In The Flesh, in order to be an Apostle. 1Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are not you my workmanship in the Lord? 2If to others I am not an apostle, at least I am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 1Cor 9. I do not believe these people are even saved. They are not hooked into God. They know religion, they know church, but only to those who have been born again know they could never decide they are an Apostle. It's heresy and it condemns them to being false. The same is with these so called prophets. If any prophecy does not come true, they are to be killed according to scripture. So these people are playing church. They better get ready for the judgement. It's coming and they will all be shocked that their judgement will be Christ at the Great White Throne Judgement.
Lies. Yes there are apostles today, it is written:
1 Corinthians 12:28: "And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.
Nowhere in the scriptures did God say he would stop sending his apostles. Just like he never revoked any of the other offices and gifts listed on that verse.. In fact he said he would pour out his spirit in the latter times. Cory teaches some scriptures correctly, some falsely. But he is only human. This is why we are to be constantly led by the holyspirit, not rely on our own human understanding... Humans do not choose/send apostles, the holyspirit does.. Apostles were poor, humble and rejected by the world. No wonder the world still rejects them today. And how can you tell someone anointed under unction that Christ had not appeared to them? Just because he has not appeared to you? God promised people would dream dreams and see visions.
False teachers/proud teachers deny this out of pride and bitter envy because they have not been set apart, and do not believe or fathom this wonderful office from God can still exist. And since God swt apostles over the church ahead of everyone, tbey dont wanna submit to anyones apostleship. Or because they have been misguided and are too prideful of their own current intellect, and will not be reproved with the love of the truth. But James said:
James 3:14
14But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. 16For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice."
Brother Corey, your interpretation based on the Aorist tense of the word "gave" is not conclusive, and I am not sure even appropriate , because what is true about the gift of "apostles" is also true of all the gifts mentioned in those verses. If there is no longer a gift of apostles, that would apply to the other gifts mentioned. And no one doubts that the other gifts are for today. So we have a bit of a problem.
@@richardlicata8207 no. The point is the word given isn’t continuous. And it isn’t meant to be taken as though God will give them perpetually. The other offices we see continuing ( evangelist and pastor).