Thanks 1Dime and Black Red Guard! This conversation is similar to one ive been having in my head and trying to have out loud for a while! Making our theory and praxis thyme and adapting to our uh unique American culture and use of language is key for building the kind of community we need to survive Capitalism. I agree that part of the panacea for the disease of the West has to do with a refutation of colonialism that involves reclaiming indigenous values to nature as part of our family and how this relates to our community and how we organize. In some ways i think this has already begun to a very limited extent as tribal governments reobtain stewardship of public lands crucial to their people. The reintroduction of key species like buffalo beaver and wolf I see as an integral part of this healing process. Anywho good shit yall!
I actually really enjoy this conversation. I believe a coalitionary left movement makes the most sense. Especially internationally as the world proletariat is big and very diverse in thought. I also really like the part where you guys talk about indigenous global south communal living. I think that’s so important. Especially because we see a lot of right wing appeals to “nature” talking about “survival of the fittest.” In truth, our “fitness” as human beings is our communal living.
Yo I love BRG. I let me membership expire and joined again when I saw BRG joined. I’m not a Maoist but I read a lot MLM theory and would say it’s some of my favorite Marxist theory.
@@novinceinhosic3531 one of the greatest services Stalin did 4 the “capitalist world” was purging the global “revolutionary movement” to spite Trotsky & Trotskyist’s
I really enjoyed this episode, enough to comment. I like the conversation where you try to add in the autonomy of the individual in the whole communist project. It's something I've been struggling with wrapping my head around, like ideologically. I mean no one has synthesized it, not enough so that it's easily digestible for someone not that well versed in ideology/philosophy like me. Maybe that's what "western communism" would be like?
Communism is the final stage. Socialism is the economy the state ought to be ruled by until the whole world is emancipated once Socialism is a global economy, then communism can be implemented. In other words communism is considered the final stage of socialism, representing a more advanced and developed state where the means of production are completely communally owned and distributed based on need, rather than just public ownership as in the earlier socialist phase; essentially reaching a classless society with no need for a state.
I never thought dictatorship of the proletariat meant a literal dictatorship. It just means a society that operates in the interests of the proletariat.
1:12:11 'there's three stages to a Maoist people's war' he was saying so many sensible things about adapting to circumstance, then this. That pattern fits the Chinese civil war. They could go from defensive to stalemate to offensive because a) the peasants were ready to blow up b) the KMT were corrupt and useless c) they had the immediate support of the soviet union when it was very mighty. Find me that situation again. Bet you can't.
1:38:00 i don’t think there is much good evidence that socialism is much worse than capitalism at creating wealth. (mainly because there are few socialist projects to begin with) it depends on so many other factors and also how you define wealth (+ how long the time frame is you are considering)
1Dime is a bit misled in his presentation of Liberalism as the seed of slave abolition. The ancien regime of medieval Catholicism had a much harsher stance against the practice of slavery (relatively speaking)--especially in regard to Christians, but not exclusively. It is actually the advent of Liberal ideas and its accompanying "Age of Exploration" that largely reconstitutes and amplifies the European practice of slavery. In the American context, it is actually the religious fundamentalists, like WL Garrison and John Brown, who make the most serious challenges to the institution. Garrison, in particular, was fond of publicly burning copies of the US Constitution in protest of slavery--he and his peers did not see themselves as Liberals, but their enemies, such as John Calhoun, embraced the idea and saw their class of slaveowners, planters, and investors as representative of the Liberal thought.
Liberalism comes out of Christianity. You could arguably say that Christianity sowed the seeds for the abolition of slavery, yet on the other hand it was also used to justify slavery by empires. The thing is though, virtually all abolitionist movements appealed to liberal universalist principles of equality to justify their cause, even if they had to use violence to make it happen
@@1DimeRadio For sure. Both Liberalism and Christianity have been used to rhetorically justify all sorts of things. My point isn't that Christianity is necessarily some force for liberation, just that the development of liberal thought and individualism accompanies and finds its expression in an increase rather than decrease in the material coercion of people. Transatlantic slavery was in many ways a *progressive* force that would not have been as acceptable to Europeans just a couple of generations prior. In your talk with BRG (which was very good, btw), you touch upon this when you discuss the communal aspects of the old aristocratic systems. The actual ways in which that feudal system, however bad, protected against certain forms of exploitation (like chattel slavery or industrially managed labor) is an interesting counterfactual against the capitalist narrative of liberal progress. I'm not a paleoconservative or monarchist or anything like that at all, but I do take issue with certain narratives of the immutability, inevitability, or even value of the American liberal system. For a lot of people it has been fundamentally and obviously exploitative from its inception, and I don't think the majority of people ever needed it to tell them that slavery was wrong.
You know Mao wasn't a maoist and maoism isn't the dominant trend of Marxism in China right? Maoism is a trend mostly seen in the west nowadays and certain pockets of the third world.
Oh woops i was tryna replay to another comment but somehow this ended up as it's own comment. It wasn't directed at the video, sorr avout that lmao@1DimeRadio
Sure but in early hip-hop social commentary is almost as important as the throw your hands up party aspect. Just one example - Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five did party music but a lot of their tracks talk about serious issues, eg The Message.
@20:00 is this guy serious? Liked a pro-Cap movie, failed calculus, Molotov cocktails are cool? He's performative and a coward. I was hoping for some interesting perspective. I'll pretend he is just trolling and leave it at that. Success. He trolled me. Well done.
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Thanks 1Dime and Black Red Guard! This conversation is similar to one ive been having in my head and trying to have out loud for a while! Making our theory and praxis thyme and adapting to our uh unique American culture and use of language is key for building the kind of community we need to survive Capitalism. I agree that part of the panacea for the disease of the West has to do with a refutation of colonialism that involves reclaiming indigenous values to nature as part of our family and how this relates to our community and how we organize. In some ways i think this has already begun to a very limited extent as tribal governments reobtain stewardship of public lands crucial to their people. The reintroduction of key species like buffalo beaver and wolf I see as an integral part of this healing process. Anywho good shit yall!
I actually really enjoy this conversation. I believe a coalitionary left movement makes the most sense. Especially internationally as the world proletariat is big and very diverse in thought.
I also really like the part where you guys talk about indigenous global south communal living. I think that’s so important. Especially because we see a lot of right wing appeals to “nature” talking about “survival of the fittest.” In truth, our “fitness” as human beings is our communal living.
Haven't listened yet but keep up the good work! Warm greetings from Socialist Party Netherlands!
Yo I love BRG. I let me membership expire and joined again when I saw BRG joined. I’m not a Maoist but I read a lot MLM theory and would say it’s some of my favorite Marxist theory.
The whole Stalin vs Trotsky debate ended when the pickaxe was on Trotsky's head.
that's called having the bruden of proof over your head.
@@novinceinhosic3531 one of the greatest services Stalin did 4 the “capitalist world” was purging the global “revolutionary movement” to spite Trotsky & Trotskyist’s
Really enjoyed this.
I really like black red guard, smart guy, well read and funny! So glad you had him on!
I really enjoyed this episode, enough to comment.
I like the conversation where you try to add in the autonomy of the individual in the whole communist project. It's something I've been struggling with wrapping my head around, like ideologically.
I mean no one has synthesized it, not enough so that it's easily digestible for someone not that well versed in ideology/philosophy like me.
Maybe that's what "western communism" would be like?
Communism is the final stage. Socialism is the economy the state ought to be ruled by until the whole world is emancipated once Socialism is a global economy, then communism can be implemented.
In other words communism is considered the final stage of socialism, representing a more advanced and developed state where the means of production are completely communally owned and distributed based on need, rather than just public ownership as in the earlier socialist phase; essentially reaching a classless society with no need for a state.
Oh good, it's back up.
I never thought dictatorship of the proletariat meant a literal dictatorship. It just means a society that operates in the interests of the proletariat.
Saw BRG on Twitter. Thanks for confirming that he is not a serious person.
1:23:53 “Mao did that a lot” is basically saying Mao himself had revisionist tendencies.
1:12:11 'there's three stages to a Maoist people's war' he was saying so many sensible things about adapting to circumstance, then this.
That pattern fits the Chinese civil war. They could go from defensive to stalemate to offensive because a) the peasants were ready to blow up b) the KMT were corrupt and useless c) they had the immediate support of the soviet union when it was very mighty.
Find me that situation again. Bet you can't.
1:38:00 i don’t think there is much good evidence that socialism is much worse than capitalism at creating wealth. (mainly because there are few socialist projects to begin with)
it depends on so many other factors and also how you define wealth (+ how long the time frame is you are considering)
1Dime is a bit misled in his presentation of Liberalism as the seed of slave abolition. The ancien regime of medieval Catholicism had a much harsher stance against the practice of slavery (relatively speaking)--especially in regard to Christians, but not exclusively.
It is actually the advent of Liberal ideas and its accompanying "Age of Exploration" that largely reconstitutes and amplifies the European practice of slavery.
In the American context, it is actually the religious fundamentalists, like WL Garrison and John Brown, who make the most serious challenges to the institution. Garrison, in particular, was fond of publicly burning copies of the US Constitution in protest of slavery--he and his peers did not see themselves as Liberals, but their enemies, such as John Calhoun, embraced the idea and saw their class of slaveowners, planters, and investors as representative of the Liberal thought.
Liberalism comes out of Christianity. You could arguably say that Christianity sowed the seeds for the abolition of slavery, yet on the other hand it was also used to justify slavery by empires. The thing is though, virtually all abolitionist movements appealed to liberal universalist principles of equality to justify their cause, even if they had to use violence to make it happen
@@1DimeRadio For sure. Both Liberalism and Christianity have been used to rhetorically justify all sorts of things. My point isn't that Christianity is necessarily some force for liberation, just that the development of liberal thought and individualism accompanies and finds its expression in an increase rather than decrease in the material coercion of people. Transatlantic slavery was in many ways a *progressive* force that would not have been as acceptable to Europeans just a couple of generations prior.
In your talk with BRG (which was very good, btw), you touch upon this when you discuss the communal aspects of the old aristocratic systems. The actual ways in which that feudal system, however bad, protected against certain forms of exploitation (like chattel slavery or industrially managed labor) is an interesting counterfactual against the capitalist narrative of liberal progress.
I'm not a paleoconservative or monarchist or anything like that at all, but I do take issue with certain narratives of the immutability, inevitability, or even value of the American liberal system. For a lot of people it has been fundamentally and obviously exploitative from its inception, and I don't think the majority of people ever needed it to tell them that slavery was wrong.
isn't this the guy from Dr. Phil? You know the one who blew up a swing set?
You know Mao wasn't a maoist and maoism isn't the dominant trend of Marxism in China right? Maoism is a trend mostly seen in the west nowadays and certain pockets of the third world.
Ya I'm well aware. We mention this later on in the conversation
Oh woops i was tryna replay to another comment but somehow this ended up as it's own comment. It wasn't directed at the video, sorr avout that lmao@1DimeRadio
1:29:19 'autonomous region that black people have set up'. Eh? OK, didn't expect that. Is that all black people or just proletarians?
Mao was cool guy
1:17:40 I am way out of my comfort zone but didn't hip-hop start as party music? Cool Herc was a dj, not an agitator.
Sure but in early hip-hop social commentary is almost as important as the throw your hands up party aspect. Just one example - Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five did party music but a lot of their tracks talk about serious issues, eg The Message.
@basstrip73 thanks for the reply! Like I said, way - way! - outside my comfort zone...
32:00 Mao was 'helping peasants put out their crops'? I am willing to bet good money he didn't do it for long. Not a fan of physical labour.
@20:00 is this guy serious? Liked a pro-Cap movie, failed calculus, Molotov cocktails are cool? He's performative and a coward. I was hoping for some interesting perspective. I'll pretend he is just trolling and leave it at that. Success. He trolled me. Well done.
Communism is when you pass calculus and don't enjoy things
I actually never took calculus lmao
trocky>Stalin (???)
unsub.
if you came to this channel to hear anything positive about stalin you're in the wrong place (and i'm someone who do have more favorable view of him)
The whole Stalin vs Trotsky debate ended when the pickaxe was on Trotsky's head.
@@ristekostadinov2820 i was subscribed for some reason, and just clicked to see what a maoist has to say, and as expected, decent policy, shit history
If you think the Stalin period was a high point of socialist history then you are a fantastic moron
@@1DimeRadio read a book radlib.