the original es14 was designed by Robin Marshall (PHD in Physics) so that the drive units would mechanically roll off, to blend with each other WITHOUT the need of any cross over components. Only one cap is used to protect the tweeter. Also the drive units are integrated onto a METAL baffle for max stiffness. - - The drive units cost SEVEN times more to produce, than the drivers in the NAIM SBL speakers of the same era. The cabinet was veneered outside AND inside, and uses a metal tension rod, to tune the wall resonance to a specific freq.. ... .. now lets compare that to the modern Es14n, that has drivers that need a crossover network ( so all fine detail is now lost ) , drivers that screw into a wooden baffle , a cabinet that has standard wooden bracing. (Ive read that the drivers look like modified scan speak units) ...........so is that 40 years of ' progress ' ? looks very much the other way around to me......... the fact is, its very difficult to design drivers like Robin did, and hardly anyone else has attempted to do it since, simply because they are unable to , they lack the talent or desire , so create basic drivers like everyone else, and then correct them using large crossover networks, thus losing all the fine details and super clarity that made the ES14 reference speakers as soon as they were released, with most of the hifi press using them as a reference........ did this happen with the new Es14n ? No, its not a reference + its not ground breaking like the original was , and you could say , still is. Ive not heard the new 14n , no doubt its a fine speaker, however, is it as good as the original ? looking at its design and drivers used, complex crossover needed, wooden baffle, tells me that its extremely unlikely it will be as good, you could say impossible to be so .
my pleasure...... having said all of that, I still would like to hear the new ES14n , Im really curious to see how good it is, I like the way it looks, but again, they couldbe used a 4 legged stand, like the original ES14 , i think the open frame stands look much nicer, less bulky ( you can see through them ) and are more stable also @@hxosplus
The classic Epos speakers were certainly good for their era but by modern standards they are not so impressive. The mechanical rolloff of the originals limited output and compromised distortion. If you study Stereophile’s measurements of the original, and HiFi News’ measurements of the new 14N, the latter is clearly the better performer, at least quantitatively.
@@rotorfix they might not be so impressive on paper, but they are still amazingly clear yet powerful speakers, that you will struggle to match at anywhere near their price bracket. I believe Totem make mechanically rolled off drivers now, no xover needed, in their $6,000 stand mount speakers. Never heard those, but Im guessing they should be close to the original ES14 in clarity etc. As for the new Es14n , well have not heard anyone say they are as good as the originals , that says a lot just there.
I used to pray at the alter of minimal crossovers to the point of being a PITA. I then tried the EPOS M16i which, by Epos standards, has a more traditional crossover. The results are very impressive. I've owned ES14's in their various guises and, you can't be less than impressed, but they do tend to be lean sounding and lacking extention.I suppose that's why they were a great match for Naim's more fruity delivery. Also you need to factor in that the designer, Mr Fink, knows his stuff and was present at the birth of Epos so the brand name is in safe hands as far as i am concerned. Vorsprung durch technik.
Epos ES-14N. The N stands for 'NOT'. Because this has very little in common with the legendary ES-14. Robin Marshall's bass driver had a short voice coil sitting in a very deep magnetic gap which ensured the coil stayed in a linear magnetic field however far it was displaced, meaning very low distortion across all volume levels. The aluminium domed tweeter was very sweet sounding, using ferrofluid to couple the coil directly to the magnetic field while also providing extra cooling. These speakers could go very loud without any hint of fatigue. The entire speaker (cabinet, bass driver and tweeter) were designed as one, and are uniquely synergistic. The proof of this is the crossover - one single capacitor in series with the tweeter. A good second hand pair of original ES-14's will cost you about £400. If you can, try to get the earliest versions - without the phase plug and with the thinner bass driver surround. I am sure that these new ES-14NOT's do sound excellent - at that price they really have to. But they are, to my eyes, pug ugly. And in white? I ask you.
@rog86 Good Sir, you are quite right, I posted this comment a few times. And no, have not heard these new speakers. As I said, my problem is with the name - they are not ES-14's and should not have been called that, however they sound. I worked at Epos in the mid 80's, hand building many of those exceptional speakers. I have several pairs myself, I know them well and I know what makes them so good - none of that technology is in the ES-14N, so the name is misleading. I hope you're able to afford a pair of ES-14N's and I hope they suit you. Perhaps also drop a few quid on an ebay purchase of the originals as well, just to compare. I'd love to know which you prefer, please let me know
Funny, I have measured several original ES-14, and they all did much more distortion than the new one. The original dome was sweet-sounding? Not the ones I have here. Sorry, but this sounds more like folklore than anything else. Everybody who wants the old one can buy it second-hand. We are 40 years away from the old speaker and technology developed.
@karl-heinzfink5930 My complaint is simple - the name. These are not ES-14's. You are trading on the old, well known and revered name to sell something that is really not an ES-14, not even a close relative. I find this to be misleading.
There is actually one steel laminate core inductor, in a path with high resistance, so it is not of significance. Seems like it would be interesting to listen to
Τα άκουσα στον αχανή χώρο του διαπασόν στη Δάφνη και μου έπεσε το σαγόνι από την ποιότητα του ήχου. Το πρόβλημα για μένα είναι ότι 4800 για κινεζικό ηχείο είναι πολλά. Βέβαια ο ήχος που βγάζει είναι επιπέδου 7.000€ και οι Κινέζοι μπορούν να σου φτιάξουν ότι θες, ανάλογα με τις προδιαγραφές που θα ζητήσεις. Αν η τιμή ήταν στα 2500 θα πουλούσε σα ζεστό ψωμί.
@@georgek.5491 4000€ νομίζω ότι έχει. Ελάτε στην έκθεση ΗΧΟS EIKONA SHOW στις 9-10 Νοεμβρίου για να ακούσετε και τα μεγαλύτερα, τα δαπέδου www.highend.show
the original es14 was designed by Robin Marshall (PHD in Physics) so that the drive units would mechanically roll off, to blend with each other WITHOUT the need of any cross over components. Only one cap is used to protect the tweeter. Also the drive units are integrated onto a METAL baffle for max stiffness. - - The drive units cost SEVEN times more to produce, than the drivers in the NAIM SBL speakers of the same era. The cabinet was veneered outside AND inside, and uses a metal tension rod, to tune the wall resonance to a specific freq.. ... .. now lets compare that to the modern Es14n, that has drivers that need a crossover network ( so all fine detail is now lost ) , drivers that screw into a wooden baffle , a cabinet that has standard wooden bracing. (Ive read that the drivers look like modified scan speak units) ...........so is that 40 years of ' progress ' ? looks very much the other way around to me......... the fact is, its very difficult to design drivers like Robin did, and hardly anyone else has attempted to do it since, simply because they are unable to , they lack the talent or desire , so create basic drivers like everyone else, and the correct them using large crossover networks, thus losing all the fine details and super clarity that made the ES14 reference speakers as soon as they were released@@karl-heinzfink5930
the original es14 was designed by Robin Marshall (PHD in Physics) so that the drive units would mechanically roll off, to blend with each other WITHOUT the need of any cross over components. Only one cap is used to protect the tweeter. Also the drive units are integrated onto a METAL baffle for max stiffness. - - The drive units cost SEVEN times more to produce, than the drivers in the NAIM SBL speakers of the same era. The cabinet was veneered outside AND inside, and uses a metal tension rod, to tune the wall resonance to a specific freq..
... .. now lets compare that to the modern Es14n, that has drivers that need a crossover network ( so all fine detail is now lost ) , drivers that screw into a wooden baffle , a cabinet that has standard wooden bracing. (Ive read that the drivers look like modified scan speak units)
...........so is that 40 years of ' progress ' ? looks very much the other way around to me......... the fact is, its very difficult to design drivers like Robin did, and hardly anyone else has attempted to do it since, simply because they are unable to , they lack the talent or desire , so create basic drivers like everyone else, and then correct them using large crossover networks, thus losing all the fine details and super clarity that made the ES14 reference speakers as soon as they were released, with most of the hifi press using them as a reference........ did this happen with the new Es14n ? No, its not a reference + its not ground breaking like the original was , and you could say , still is.
Ive not heard the new 14n , no doubt its a fine speaker, however, is it as good as the original ? looking at its design and drivers used, complex crossover needed, wooden baffle, tells me that its extremely unlikely it will be as good, you could say impossible to be so .
Thank you for the epic comment!
my pleasure...... having said all of that, I still would like to hear the new ES14n , Im really curious to see how good it is, I like the way it looks, but again, they couldbe used a 4 legged stand, like the original ES14 , i think the open frame stands look much nicer, less bulky ( you can see through them ) and are more stable also @@hxosplus
The classic Epos speakers were certainly good for their era but by modern standards they are not so impressive. The mechanical rolloff of the originals limited output and compromised distortion. If you study Stereophile’s measurements of the original, and HiFi News’ measurements of the new 14N, the latter is clearly the better performer, at least quantitatively.
@@rotorfix they might not be so impressive on paper, but they are still amazingly clear yet powerful speakers, that you will struggle to match at anywhere near their price bracket. I believe Totem make mechanically rolled off drivers now, no xover needed, in their $6,000 stand mount speakers. Never heard those, but Im guessing they should be close to the original ES14 in clarity etc. As for the new Es14n , well have not heard anyone say they are as good as the originals , that says a lot just there.
I used to pray at the alter of minimal crossovers to the point of being a PITA. I then tried the EPOS M16i which, by Epos standards, has a more traditional crossover. The results are very impressive. I've owned ES14's in their various guises and, you can't be less than impressed, but they do tend to be lean sounding and lacking extention.I suppose that's why they were a great match for Naim's more fruity delivery.
Also you need to factor in that the designer, Mr Fink, knows his stuff and was present at the birth of Epos so the brand name is in safe hands as far as i am concerned. Vorsprung durch technik.
quality
Epos ES-14N. The N stands for 'NOT'.
Because this has very little in common with the legendary ES-14. Robin Marshall's bass driver had a short voice coil sitting in a very deep magnetic gap which ensured the coil stayed in a linear magnetic field however far it was displaced, meaning very low distortion across all volume levels. The aluminium domed tweeter was very sweet sounding, using ferrofluid to couple the coil directly to the magnetic field while also providing extra cooling. These speakers could go very loud without any hint of fatigue. The entire speaker (cabinet, bass driver and tweeter) were designed as one, and are uniquely synergistic. The proof of this is the crossover - one single capacitor in series with the tweeter.
A good second hand pair of original ES-14's will cost you about £400. If you can, try to get the earliest versions - without the phase plug and with the thinner bass driver surround.
I am sure that these new ES-14NOT's do sound excellent - at that price they really have to. But they are, to my eyes, pug ugly. And in white? I ask you.
This comment Copy and pasted from another vid .....what do you have against these?, and you've not even heard them....🙈
@rog86
Good Sir, you are quite right, I posted this comment a few times. And no, have not heard these new speakers. As I said, my problem is with the name - they are not ES-14's and should not have been called that, however they sound.
I worked at Epos in the mid 80's, hand building many of those exceptional speakers. I have several pairs myself, I know them well and I know what makes them so good - none of that technology is in the ES-14N, so the name is misleading.
I hope you're able to afford a pair of ES-14N's and I hope they suit you. Perhaps also drop a few quid on an ebay purchase of the originals as well, just to compare. I'd love to know which you prefer, please let me know
@@bruceaitken1918 You have serious issues
Funny, I have measured several original ES-14, and they all did much more distortion than the new one. The original dome was sweet-sounding? Not the ones I have here. Sorry, but this sounds more like folklore than anything else. Everybody who wants the old one can buy it second-hand. We are 40 years away from the old speaker and technology developed.
@karl-heinzfink5930
My complaint is simple - the name. These are not ES-14's. You are trading on the old, well known and revered name to sell something that is really not an ES-14, not even a close relative. I find this to be misleading.
There is actually one steel laminate core inductor, in a path with high resistance, so it is not of significance.
Seems like it would be interesting to listen to
Nice, how does it sound? Compared to others at this range?
It's a Karl-Heinz Fink design, so it sounds good, especially with a tube amp.
@@hxosplusi have to disagree this Loudapeakers match better with some warmer AB Amplifuers
Hej, czy są wartę zakupu? Proszę o podpowiedź czy są dobre? Dzięki
The review is here. Use Google translate hxosplus.gr/reviews/loudspeakers/epos-es14n-review-test/
@@hxosplus so much money and folded in china??? I missed it!!!
Nie
Τα άκουσα στον αχανή χώρο του διαπασόν στη Δάφνη και μου έπεσε το σαγόνι από την ποιότητα του ήχου. Το πρόβλημα για μένα είναι ότι 4800 για κινεζικό ηχείο είναι πολλά. Βέβαια ο ήχος που βγάζει είναι επιπέδου 7.000€ και οι Κινέζοι μπορούν να σου φτιάξουν ότι θες, ανάλογα με τις προδιαγραφές που θα ζητήσεις. Αν η τιμή ήταν στα 2500 θα πουλούσε σα ζεστό ψωμί.
@@georgek.5491 4000€ νομίζω ότι έχει. Ελάτε στην έκθεση ΗΧΟS EIKONA SHOW στις 9-10 Νοεμβρίου για να ακούσετε και τα μεγαλύτερα, τα δαπέδου www.highend.show
Made in PRC...
Too expensive, the original ES14 probably sounds better ;) and only costed me $150
😂
How do you know? Imagination, magic crystal ball? Just wondering....it's 40 years later and CD was just invented when the original was introduced.
the original es14 was designed by Robin Marshall (PHD in Physics) so that the drive units would mechanically roll off, to blend with each other WITHOUT the need of any cross over components. Only one cap is used to protect the tweeter. Also the drive units are integrated onto a METAL baffle for max stiffness. - - The drive units cost SEVEN times more to produce, than the drivers in the NAIM SBL speakers of the same era. The cabinet was veneered outside AND inside, and uses a metal tension rod, to tune the wall resonance to a specific freq..
... .. now lets compare that to the modern Es14n, that has drivers that need a crossover network ( so all fine detail is now lost ) , drivers that screw into a wooden baffle , a cabinet that has standard wooden bracing. (Ive read that the drivers look like modified scan speak units)
...........so is that 40 years of ' progress ' ? looks very much the other way around to me......... the fact is, its very difficult to design drivers like Robin did, and hardly anyone else has attempted to do it since, simply because they are unable to , they lack the talent or desire , so create basic drivers like everyone else, and the correct them using large crossover networks, thus losing all the fine details and super clarity that made the ES14 reference speakers as soon as they were released@@karl-heinzfink5930