All of this is absolutely awesome! As a selfish request, if you would consider creating a divided/multi compartment tray and how best to cover that would be amazing. I'd love to create some organizers with bookbinding techniques
I just wanted to say thank you. You opened a whole new world for me. I always wanted to try bookbinding and box making. I started both some months ago thanks to your videos. And I love it. And I am always fascinated when you tell us about the historical background and sources. Thanks and greetings from Germany.
This same technique is used on modern large, heavy, premium board game boxes, to make them look extra fancy, by using thicker board, and sturdy printed paper wrappers, so that the scored and folded corners have a beveled look. With the thick boards, the bevel is much more noticeable than on the thin box you're emulating here. And it looks intentional and rather good. I was looking at some patterns from a commercial site and realized this must be how it was done, and checked by indenting that bevel with a fingernail to see it's actually hollow, with paper stretched over a void. And there I thought these were fancy, premium boxes. Your video, and more careful study of the board game boxes, fully confirms this.
You know, I'd never thought about making boxes, nor would I have assumed I'd have any interest. Found your channel for bookbinding (my absolute fav resource- thank you!) and had no idea they were related crafts. Since following you though I have a couple boxes in the works and find myself thinking of new applications not infrequently. So thanks for the new interest!
This was fun seeing how you analyzed the original box to make a new one. I also enjoy learning about box making, and once this semester is over, I will be trying out your methods.
Great job! I’ve been hoping for this exact video since I started watching your channel! Thanks for sharing this method of box replication. Please continue to include the boxes! ❤
3 years ago I made my first book thanks to you🙏 you are such a wonderful and professional inspiration and also your recommendations for sources such as Schmedt in Hamburg are absolutely fantastic - I ordered fantastic tools and beautiful marble paper. I finished my first large leather bound book yesterday and I will definitely make a box for it. Thank you so much for all your excellent and diligent tutorials , your profound knowledge and that you share it with us. Greetings from Zurich Switzerland
I'm glad you like the videos. Do you know this store www.atelier-mombelli.ch/shop There are a few hard to get item available from them. And of course one of the world's most famous bookbinding schools is in Ascona. All the best, Darryn
@@DASBookbinding Darryn, I cannot thank you enough for this recommandation. I immediately went on the homepage of Centro del bel libro and I will book a course there. THANK YOU SO SO MUCH and all my best wishes to you, Viola
@@vdc7153 Two of my teachers had significant training there with Hugo Peller, a long time a go. I hope you have a great time and learn heaps. Happy binding!
I just signed up for a course with Matthias Grimm Creating a book from start to finish and I wrote into my application, that the recommandation came from you @@DASBookbinding 🥰
Sigo cada vídeo teu e pratico cada um deles contigo. E hoje, ainda mais me satisfaz saber deste vídeo. Te agradeço por todo o trabalho exposto. Aproveito para pedir, que faças um vídeo a explicar como se faz esse tipo de livros, como essa Bíblia. I follow every video of yours and practice each one of them with you. And today, I'm even more pleased to hear about this video. I thank you for all the work shown. I would like to take this opportunity to ask that you make a video explaining how these types of books, like this Bible, are made.
Glad you like the videos. Limp binding with Yapp edges is on the list. Historically more complex than you might expect. This particular bible would be difficult to replicate by hand. But I hope to come up with something similar.
A perfectly timed video for me. I want to make a lot of trays to help organize my workshop, but was balking at the idea of cutting and gluing all the individual pieces! I've tried to follow Zeier's instructions before with less than satisfactory results. I see now what I was doing wrong, I need thinner board! Thanks Darryn!
6:03 Speaking of different traditions of bookbinding, perhaps this can be a topic for a future video: is there a “best-practice” or a tradition for an amateur bookbinder to follow when printing a book in a quarto-kind of manner? If you print four pages to a side of A3 and folding it to A5 size, for example, is there a best way of orienting the pages, or does that vary from place to place? The older cheaper un-trimmed paperback kind of books I’ve seen here in Sweden seem to always have the fold at the head, which makes sense since that leaves the tail, that the book generally will stand on, stay pretty after the reader has cut the pages. But if you trim the text block as you bind it, does the orientation matter anyway?
Darryn you mentioned that is was a bit difficult getting old books that you could analyse. Are there any particular time periods you would like books from? I sometimes come across pretty old books going really cheap (£1 for one from 1850 not long ago). I'd be more than happy to grab some and ship them over to you as a small thank you for your hard work. Just let me know periods/binding styles and I'll keep an eye out for them.
My Oxford Reference Bible looks exactly like this one, but has a slip case instead of the two-part box. It seems to be constructed by exactly the same method, but without the lining (the inside is just grey board). I suppose they still make these the same way? They seem to have made a 3 sided box like you do here, then added the second large side as a separate piece, but I can't see any traces of how it was attached.
Usually with a strip of paper along the outside seam. It is normally visible as a bump under the covering material. I have a slipcase like this which I will replicate eventually. But I feel everyone is getting sick of boxes. I better get back to books soon:)
@@DASBookbinding the bump is really almost invisible - I think it's there, but I had to wait for daylight, at a grazing angle, to see it. The texture of the cover paper hides it quite well.
Thank you for your thorough videos. Have you thought of making videos on leather Bible binding? I have rebound some in leather using Diego Caloca Jr’s book, “How to Rebind a Bible from Start to Finish” as a guide.
I have, and I have been researching it for years. I don't think Diego's book reflects how the English examples I love are made. I think he has started with similar American bibles and then added some features he likes. All this is fine and his bibles are very nice. But I would like to do something closer to historical examples. It is time consuming doing this type of research, and then doing practice models, so it might be a year or more before I get there. I also don't want to copy what Diego does in his book as I think this would be an infringement on his IP and I try and be careful to do anything that would negatively impact other binders businesses.
Could a CT or similar x-ray-based setup be used to examine historic books without deconstruction or requiring a damaged original? It might not be cheap, but there are electronics companies that do CT for quality-control. Or a medical center whose radiology department has a research CT where time could be found (especially if there's a radiologist who is a book-binding enthusiast.)
Yes, some of the very famous books have been scanned. Not worth it for the books I'm looking at. If I had more time and money I could find damaged copies of most of the styles of books I'm interested in. But old books are a limited non-renewable resource and one day.... Also, those scans are really hard to understand:)
You sir, are a good man. Thank you for all you do!
All of this is absolutely awesome!
As a selfish request, if you would consider creating a divided/multi compartment tray and how best to cover that would be amazing. I'd love to create some organizers with bookbinding techniques
I just wanted to say thank you. You opened a whole new world for me. I always wanted to try bookbinding and box making. I started both some months ago thanks to your videos. And I love it. And I am always fascinated when you tell us about the historical background and sources. Thanks and greetings from Germany.
This same technique is used on modern large, heavy, premium board game boxes, to make them look extra fancy, by using thicker board, and sturdy printed paper wrappers, so that the scored and folded corners have a beveled look. With the thick boards, the bevel is much more noticeable than on the thin box you're emulating here. And it looks intentional and rather good. I was looking at some patterns from a commercial site and realized this must be how it was done, and checked by indenting that bevel with a fingernail to see it's actually hollow, with paper stretched over a void. And there I thought these were fancy, premium boxes. Your video, and more careful study of the board game boxes, fully confirms this.
very fitting for today, God bless!
You know, I'd never thought about making boxes, nor would I have assumed I'd have any interest. Found your channel for bookbinding (my absolute fav resource- thank you!) and had no idea they were related crafts. Since following you though I have a couple boxes in the works and find myself thinking of new applications not infrequently. So thanks for the new interest!
This was fun seeing how you analyzed the original box to make a new one. I also enjoy learning about box making, and once this semester is over, I will be trying out your methods.
Great job! I’ve been hoping for this exact video since I started watching your channel! Thanks for sharing this method of box replication. Please continue to include the boxes! ❤
In the past Oxford was amazing. 100% quality and perfect design.
3 years ago I made my first book thanks to you🙏 you are such a wonderful and professional inspiration and also your recommendations for sources such as Schmedt in Hamburg are absolutely fantastic - I ordered fantastic tools and beautiful marble paper. I finished my first large leather bound book yesterday and I will definitely make a box for it. Thank you so much for all your excellent and diligent tutorials , your profound knowledge and that you share it with us. Greetings from Zurich Switzerland
I'm glad you like the videos. Do you know this store
www.atelier-mombelli.ch/shop
There are a few hard to get item available from them.
And of course one of the world's most famous bookbinding schools is in Ascona.
All the best,
Darryn
@@DASBookbinding Darryn, I cannot thank you enough for this recommandation. I immediately went on the homepage of Centro del bel libro and I will book a course there. THANK YOU SO SO MUCH and all my best wishes to you, Viola
@@vdc7153 Two of my teachers had significant training there with Hugo Peller, a long time a go. I hope you have a great time and learn heaps. Happy binding!
I just signed up for a course with Matthias Grimm Creating a book from start to finish and I wrote into my application, that the recommandation came from you @@DASBookbinding 🥰
The insight into how you go about analysing the structure/construction method and materials was interesting - thanks Darryn
Seems like that bible has quite a history! Nice work, as always
Your recent venture into tray making and boxes of all kinds is really enjoyable and great!
Sigo cada vídeo teu e pratico cada um deles contigo. E hoje, ainda mais me satisfaz saber deste vídeo. Te agradeço por todo o trabalho exposto.
Aproveito para pedir, que faças um vídeo a explicar como se faz esse tipo de livros, como essa Bíblia.
I follow every video of yours and practice each one of them with you. And today, I'm even more pleased to hear about this video. I thank you for all the work shown.
I would like to take this opportunity to ask that you make a video explaining how these types of books, like this Bible, are made.
Glad you like the videos. Limp binding with Yapp edges is on the list. Historically more complex than you might expect. This particular bible would be difficult to replicate by hand. But I hope to come up with something similar.
A perfectly timed video for me. I want to make a lot of trays to help organize my workshop, but was balking at the idea of cutting and gluing all the individual pieces! I've tried to follow Zeier's instructions before with less than satisfactory results. I see now what I was doing wrong, I need thinner board! Thanks Darryn!
Thank you. Another great and educational video
Wow! Lovely. I once perused a New Oxford Bible that was of similar size and similar box at the chapel in my college town. It was so beautifully made.
6:03 Speaking of different traditions of bookbinding, perhaps this can be a topic for a future video: is there a “best-practice” or a tradition for an amateur bookbinder to follow when printing a book in a quarto-kind of manner? If you print four pages to a side of A3 and folding it to A5 size, for example, is there a best way of orienting the pages, or does that vary from place to place? The older cheaper un-trimmed paperback kind of books I’ve seen here in Sweden seem to always have the fold at the head, which makes sense since that leaves the tail, that the book generally will stand on, stay pretty after the reader has cut the pages. But if you trim the text block as you bind it, does the orientation matter anyway?
That is so interesting !!!
Vielen Dank...🙂
Gerne
Darryn you mentioned that is was a bit difficult getting old books that you could analyse. Are there any particular time periods you would like books from? I sometimes come across pretty old books going really cheap (£1 for one from 1850 not long ago). I'd be more than happy to grab some and ship them over to you as a small thank you for your hard work. Just let me know periods/binding styles and I'll keep an eye out for them.
How did you cut the thumb notches?
I was thinking just a punch hit with a hammer.
I’ll show this in the next video but it is just a big 20mm leather hole punch.
@@DASBookbinding Thank you!
My Oxford Reference Bible looks exactly like this one, but has a slip case instead of the two-part box. It seems to be constructed by exactly the same method, but without the lining (the inside is just grey board). I suppose they still make these the same way? They seem to have made a 3 sided box like you do here, then added the second large side as a separate piece, but I can't see any traces of how it was attached.
Usually with a strip of paper along the outside seam. It is normally visible as a bump under the covering material. I have a slipcase like this which I will replicate eventually. But I feel everyone is getting sick of boxes. I better get back to books soon:)
@@DASBookbinding the bump is really almost invisible - I think it's there, but I had to wait for daylight, at a grazing angle, to see it. The texture of the cover paper hides it quite well.
Thank you for your thorough videos. Have you thought of making videos on leather Bible binding? I have rebound some in leather using Diego Caloca Jr’s book, “How to Rebind a Bible from Start to Finish” as a guide.
I have, and I have been researching it for years. I don't think Diego's book reflects how the English examples I love are made. I think he has started with similar American bibles and then added some features he likes. All this is fine and his bibles are very nice. But I would like to do something closer to historical examples. It is time consuming doing this type of research, and then doing practice models, so it might be a year or more before I get there. I also don't want to copy what Diego does in his book as I think this would be an infringement on his IP and I try and be careful to do anything that would negatively impact other binders businesses.
@@DASBookbinding Thanks for your reply. I look forward to seeing your take on it.
Could a CT or similar x-ray-based setup be used to examine historic books without deconstruction or requiring a damaged original? It might not be cheap, but there are electronics companies that do CT for quality-control. Or a medical center whose radiology department has a research CT where time could be found (especially if there's a radiologist who is a book-binding enthusiast.)
Yes, some of the very famous books have been scanned. Not worth it for the books I'm looking at. If I had more time and money I could find damaged copies of most of the styles of books I'm interested in. But old books are a limited non-renewable resource and one day.... Also, those scans are really hard to understand:)