71+ year old FUD here. Another fine educational and entertaining video. The 250-3000 (like a lot of other cartridges) has been vastly improved with modern powders and bullets. If you search you will find reloading data from reputable publications that show the 100 grain bullet can be safely pushed to 3000 fps even in the Savage 99 with the 1/14 twist. My 99 is a 1951 model with its original K4 Weaver. Shoots 1” groups at 100 yards with Remington factory ammo. As to the BOB Jack O’Connor and others considered it the perfect deer cartridge but in the early 1960’s Jack was lamenting its demise. He wrote about that in his “Complete Book of Rifles and Shotguns”. I do know one person somewhat younger than me who hunts deer with the BOB and he thinks it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don’t yet own a BOB but I have been enamored with the idea for sev😮eral years. To that end I bought an already nicely sporterized 1913 Kar. 98 Mauser 8x57 with what my well experience real gunsmith tells me is a graft line walnut stock. I got the rifle really cheap on Gunbroker because who ever built it left the original military stepped barrel on it which was in only fair condition at best, so I’m having it re-barreled to 257 Roberts. When it’s finished I will have less than $850.00 invested including the cheap scope that came on the rifle. I thought that was pretty good for a controlled round feed rifle with a action that is the perfect length for the cartridge just like that action is for 7x57. The old 722 Remington’s are a nice rifle but you can’t load the longer heavier bullets out far enough to take full advantage of case capacity. Regarding the 257 Weatherby I have a friend who shoots one. I once saw him shoot a medium size Whitetail buck at something close to 450 yards with an 87 grain bullet. I don’t know what type. One shot, grave yard dead right there. The only two Weatherby rifles I have any interest in are the 257 and 270 ( his first two designs) and that is only because of what I call geographic home town pride. I live only a few miles here in central Kansas from where Roy Weatherby grew up and have known several of his contemporaries. One gentleman from our church who was close to Roy regaled me with stories of their adventures growing up together before WWII. Sadly those those folks are all gone now. I’ll probably never have a chance to hunt with either of those rifles if I do manage to obtain either but sometimes just pride of ownership is enough reason to have something. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
I had a 24" TC encore barrel made in 256 mag. 357 mag brass necked down and loaded with 75gr vmax at 2500 fps is wildly fun. It no recoil in a rifle and is explosive on gophers and coyotes. I would love to have a marlin 1894c or ruger 77 carbine made up in 256 one day.
I hunted with a 25-06 for many years. This cartridge performs well past its “numbers” in the field at “normal” hunting ranges. As someone who has hunted extensively with a 308 prior to moving to the 25-06 I can tell you it kills deer, hogs, and antelope like proverbial lightning!!! In fact I never saw much difference in the field than my 7 mag with the exception of tissue damage. That said a 25-06 requires a 24” barrel to create its performance. That means in physical size of the rifle was no different than my 7mag. As a handloader I found I could make my 7 match the 25s performance and of course exceed it. With a good break the 7s recoil was indistinguishable from the 25. So while I have fond memories of the 25-06, it’s gone. On another note, I thought I could replace the 25 with a 6.5 CM. I found the 6.5 CM was no 25-06 on game at all!!!! Maybe the 6.5 PRC but I have the 7 so who needs it?
Just shot my Bergara premier approach 6.5 prc out to 425 yards yesterday. It has about 100 rounds through it now. Factory 130 grain terminal ascent chronograph two separate times. 3150-3180 fps. Zero 200 yards. 9 inches of drop at 425 yards. Like you said...who needs one? I have another one that I'm setting up....who needs one when you can have two.
Bought a 25-06 back in the 1980s when Browning introduced the original A bolt rifle. That was my favourite deer rifle for sure and seemed to shoot many different bullets to the same point of aim at 100 yards. In fact while testing hand loads I shot 4 different loads from 75 grain bullets to 120 grain bullets into under 1.5 inches at 100 yards . Owned many accurate rifles never had one that was so consistent?
I hear that Hornady is working on a 25 Creedmoor. That would be interesting and I am sure will have a twist rate to accommodate a heavier/higher bc bullet.
I have a .257 Roberts in Ruger M77. Have killed many deer, coyotes and hogs with it using g the 117 gr. Hornady Light Mangnum. When they got hard to find switched to 90 grain Sierra GK loaded with Varget. My daughter uses it now and never missed or lost a deer with that loading. Also have a Rem. 700 CDL in 25-06. Very accurate with 100 grain Speer btsps loaded with 4350. Killed 2 pronghorn in Wyoming the longest was 350 yards. Lot of deer, hogs and coyotes with it as well.
Ive seen those 117 RN dump deer and moose in their tracks first hand in 25-35 250-3000 and 2506. That bullet is just plain magic. Great SD and expansion. Punches way above its weight at respectable distances
Very interesting. Can you give me a couple of examples of situations where you've seen that bullet perform really well? Like on the moose you mentioned?
Great video/podcast the 25/06 is my favorite round I live in Northern Ontario Canada and have taken all 3 big game species here with it whitetail,black bears and even a few moose. My bullet of choice is the 100 grain barnes ttsx that i reload getting 3325 fps out of my 24" 700 bdl ss.
My favorite 25 caliber rifle cartridges are, Savage M 99 in 250-3000 Remington 700 BDL 25-06 PS. I have and enjoy both Cartridges and rifles ! I custom hand load both 👍
I purchased both the 223wssm and the 25wssm in the Browning rifles. I could not find any factory ammunition after a few years. When I did find it, I would buy it all. I still have bags of new 223wssm brass from Winchester. I never could find the 25wssm brass. I sold the 25 about 10 years ago. The factory ammunition from Winchester would split the case at the neck. I inspected and noticed that all of the factory ammunition had a small deformity in the neck, causing the problem. I called Winchester before covid and was asked to return all the ammunition so they could inspect it. I took videos and pictures and was told that, unfortunately, they were never going to produce the ammunition again. They could only give me credit for a different caliber of new brass. That is the shortest version of a 6 month back and forth between myself and Winchester.
Our current EDC is .25acp...we are well aware of it's shortcomings, but it gets carried, whereas our .45 sits in the safe (the .38s now on HD duty)...as seniors small, lightweight, low recoil are attractive features...rule #1 applies...
I think there's room for at least one more; a straight-wall .257 with a .300 rim and .298 base. Just short enough to fit in a pistol grip. A .257carbine of sorts.
Regarding the .25-45 Sharps compared to the 6.5mm Grendel, what really hurts the Sharps is that the Grendel is seeing several loads closing in on 3000fps with 90-100gr in 20"+ barrels
I was looking for a fast varmint cartridge ..in 25cal...with a longish neck...shooting 75gn ..pill with hopefully low recoil..for shooting windy nights...at fox.. 25 cal appealed as larger bore and perhaps better barrel life. I failed..there seems to be a a gap in the lineup around here. 257 bob left alot of space in case when loaded with 2208, Varget...I do like to stick with Varget... A shortened Bob AI would've been ideal...I don't like much spare room in the case. It seems almost all cartridge reviews are based around the cartridges ability to shoot a deer....rather than focus on vaeninting...fox, etc... Seems odd as alot more varminting is likely to occur than deer slaying.. Finding info on the lighter pills for varmints is tricky.. I'd like to hear about the 75gn VMAX in 25 cal... High BC Bullets in the smaller calibres .20 to 0.25...dont seem to get much attention..., the high BC 224 VMAX, 53gn being exception I ended up with a cheap early series rem700 in 243...which I bought as a donor action...that I'd shoot first.
I don't know for sure, but I think there's a good chance you'll be right with your prediction in a year or two though! Let me know when you make it the rest of the way through this episode.
I finally made it to the end! I agree with you that i think the first will be a creedmoor. Reason is I think they would have a 6 PRC before making a 25 PRC. Following that same train of thought they may also release a 25 ARC and have two ratings similar to the 6 ARC. Either way i do think something will come out next year and it'll either be an arc or creedmoor for 2025. Might be late in the year when it gets revealed so 2026 before we can actually get our hands on it.
25 caliber is very underrated. 257 WBY is my personal favorite. 257 WBY has been very easy to load for. Some of my loads 92 gr Hammer @ 3875 FPS .3inch groups 101 gr Barnes LRX @ 3814 FPS Right around 1 MOA. 110 gr Accubond @ 3500 FPS .5 inch gropus 135 gr Berger @ 3150 FPS with .9 inch groups (Only reason my rifle shoots this bullet is due to my high elevation)
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog I've only used the 135 gr Hybrid Target for steel and paper. I'm on the ragged edge of having it work in my 1in10 twist 257 Weatherby. It will not work at lower elevation or at below freezing temperatures at my elevation. I developed the load at 5100 feet. I have taken it out to 800 yards with a lot of success, that was at 6900 feet. th-cam.com/users/shortsscRnmXrISfo?si=8GgTHgysEqKqf4Bw
If I had to guess, I'd say we're going to see some further development of the 25 caliber world in the next few years and I'll bet we'll see new cartridges, new bullets, and new rifles along those lines. Moving a little farther into the future, I think this will also breathe new life into the bore diameter and spur additional development of rifles in existing 25 caliber cartridges, like the 25-06. We'll just have to see what the future holds though!
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71+ year old FUD here. Another fine educational and entertaining video. The 250-3000 (like a lot of other cartridges) has been vastly improved with modern powders and bullets. If you search you will find reloading data from reputable publications that show the 100 grain bullet can be safely pushed to 3000 fps even in the Savage 99 with the 1/14 twist. My 99 is a 1951 model with its original K4 Weaver. Shoots 1” groups at 100 yards with Remington factory ammo.
As to the BOB Jack O’Connor and others considered it the perfect deer cartridge but in the early 1960’s Jack was lamenting its demise. He wrote about that in his “Complete Book of Rifles and Shotguns”. I do know one person somewhat younger than me who hunts deer with the BOB and he thinks it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don’t yet own a BOB but I have been enamored with the idea for sev😮eral years. To that end I bought an already nicely sporterized 1913 Kar. 98 Mauser 8x57 with what my well experience real gunsmith tells me is a graft line walnut stock. I got the rifle really cheap on Gunbroker because who ever built it left the original military stepped barrel on it which was in only fair condition at best, so I’m having it re-barreled to 257 Roberts. When it’s finished I will have less than $850.00 invested including the cheap scope that came on the rifle. I thought that was pretty good for a controlled round feed rifle with a action that is the perfect length for the cartridge just like that action is for 7x57. The old 722 Remington’s are a nice rifle but you can’t load the longer heavier bullets out far enough to take full advantage of case capacity.
Regarding the 257 Weatherby I have a friend who shoots one. I once saw him shoot a medium size Whitetail buck at something close to 450 yards with an 87 grain bullet. I don’t know what type. One shot, grave yard dead right there. The only two Weatherby rifles I have any interest in are the 257 and 270 ( his first two designs) and that is only because of what I call geographic home town pride. I live only a few miles here in central Kansas from where Roy Weatherby grew up and have known several of his contemporaries. One gentleman from our church who was close to Roy regaled me with stories of their adventures growing up together before WWII. Sadly those those folks are all gone now. I’ll probably never have a chance to hunt with either of those rifles if I do manage to obtain either but sometimes just pride of ownership is enough reason to have something. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
I had a 24" TC encore barrel made in 256 mag. 357 mag brass necked down and loaded with 75gr vmax at 2500 fps is wildly fun. It no recoil in a rifle and is explosive on gophers and coyotes. I would love to have a marlin 1894c or ruger 77 carbine made up in 256 one day.
That's really cool. I've only talked to a handful of guys who have a 256 Win Mag, but they all had great thing to say about it.
I hunted with a 25-06 for many years. This cartridge performs well past its “numbers” in the field at “normal” hunting ranges. As someone who has hunted extensively with a 308 prior to moving to the 25-06 I can tell you it kills deer, hogs, and antelope like proverbial lightning!!! In fact I never saw much difference in the field than my 7 mag with the exception of tissue damage. That said a 25-06 requires a 24” barrel to create its performance. That means in physical size of the rifle was no different than my 7mag. As a handloader I found I could make my 7 match the 25s performance and of course exceed it. With a good break the 7s recoil was indistinguishable from the 25. So while I have fond memories of the 25-06, it’s gone. On another note, I thought I could replace the 25 with a 6.5 CM. I found the 6.5 CM was no 25-06 on game at all!!!! Maybe the 6.5 PRC but I have the 7 so who needs it?
What was your favorite load for your 25-06 back when you had it?
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog Every load I tried worked great but I was partial to the 117 grain.
Just shot my Bergara premier approach 6.5 prc out to 425 yards yesterday. It has about 100 rounds through it now. Factory 130 grain terminal ascent chronograph two separate times. 3150-3180 fps. Zero 200 yards. 9 inches of drop at 425 yards. Like you said...who needs one? I have another one that I'm setting up....who needs one when you can have two.
I have a 256 win mag, 25-35, 250 savage, 25-06, and 257 Weatherby. All are great cartridges
Bought a 25-06 back in the 1980s when Browning introduced the original A bolt rifle. That was my favourite deer rifle for sure and seemed to shoot many different bullets to the same point of aim at 100 yards. In fact while testing hand loads I shot 4 different loads from 75 grain bullets to 120 grain bullets into under 1.5 inches at 100 yards . Owned many accurate rifles never had one that was so consistent?
I hope you still have that rifle!
I hear that Hornady is working on a 25 Creedmoor. That would be interesting and I am sure will have a twist rate to accommodate a heavier/higher bc bullet.
I have a .257 Roberts in Ruger M77. Have killed many deer, coyotes and hogs with it using g the 117 gr. Hornady Light Mangnum. When they got hard to find switched to 90 grain Sierra GK loaded with Varget. My daughter uses it now and never missed or lost a deer with that loading. Also have a Rem. 700 CDL in 25-06. Very accurate with 100 grain Speer btsps loaded with 4350. Killed 2 pronghorn in Wyoming the longest was 350 yards. Lot of deer, hogs and coyotes with it as well.
Very interesting, thanks!
Ive seen those 117 RN dump deer and moose in their tracks first hand in 25-35 250-3000 and 2506. That bullet is just plain magic. Great SD and expansion. Punches way above its weight at respectable distances
Very interesting. Can you give me a couple of examples of situations where you've seen that bullet perform really well? Like on the moose you mentioned?
Great video. It’s obvious how much work you put into it. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for watching!
Great video/podcast the 25/06 is my favorite round I live in Northern Ontario Canada and have taken all 3 big game species here with it whitetail,black bears and even a few moose. My bullet of choice is the 100 grain barnes ttsx that i reload getting 3325 fps out of my 24" 700 bdl ss.
Glad you enjoyed it! I'll bet that 100gr TTSX worked great on deer, bear and moose!
I've been waiting for this one. Thank you. .25-06 Remington is one of my favorites. Thanks.👊🏾🪖🇺🇸✝️
Glad you enjoyed it!
My favorite 25 caliber rifle cartridges are,
Savage M 99 in 250-3000
Remington 700 BDL 25-06
PS. I have and enjoy both Cartridges and rifles !
I custom hand load both 👍
Awesome! How much hunting have you done with them? And what are your pet loads for each?
I purchased both the 223wssm and the 25wssm in the Browning rifles. I could not find any factory ammunition after a few years. When I did find it, I would buy it all. I still have bags of new 223wssm brass from Winchester. I never could find the 25wssm brass. I sold the 25 about 10 years ago. The factory ammunition from Winchester would split the case at the neck. I inspected and noticed that all of the factory ammunition had a small deformity in the neck, causing the problem. I called Winchester before covid and was asked to return all the ammunition so they could inspect it. I took videos and pictures and was told that, unfortunately, they were never going to produce the ammunition again. They could only give me credit for a different caliber of new brass. That is the shortest version of a 6 month back and forth between myself and Winchester.
Oh jeez, what a mess. Sorry you had to deal with that! You still have the 223 WSSM rifle?
Great video.
Thanks!
Our current EDC is .25acp...we are well aware of it's shortcomings, but it gets carried, whereas our .45 sits in the safe (the .38s now on HD duty)...as seniors small, lightweight, low recoil are attractive features...rule #1 applies...
Yes indeed. That little 25 ACP you have on you should the need arise is much more valuable than your 38, 9mm, 40, or 45 ACP you left at home...
I find several of these interesting, but really have only considered buying a 257 weatherby. If you’re gonna go overbore, go overboard.
That's one way to do it!
Very cool. Thanks for sharing!
You bet!
I think there's room for at least one more; a straight-wall .257 with a .300 rim and .298 base. Just short enough to fit in a pistol grip. A .257carbine of sorts.
Good Job
Thanks!
Regarding the .25-45 Sharps compared to the 6.5mm Grendel, what really hurts the Sharps is that the Grendel is seeing several loads closing in on 3000fps with 90-100gr in 20"+ barrels
True
No, I sold it 6 months ago. I do still have reloading dies that I have never used. 😅
I was looking for a fast varmint cartridge ..in 25cal...with a longish neck...shooting 75gn ..pill with hopefully low recoil..for shooting windy nights...at fox..
25 cal appealed as larger bore and perhaps better barrel life.
I failed..there seems to be a a gap in the lineup around here.
257 bob left alot of space in case when loaded with 2208, Varget...I do like to stick with Varget...
A shortened Bob AI would've been ideal...I don't like much spare room in the case.
It seems almost all cartridge reviews are based around the cartridges ability to shoot a deer....rather than focus on vaeninting...fox, etc...
Seems odd as alot more varminting is likely to occur than deer slaying..
Finding info on the lighter pills for varmints is tricky..
I'd like to hear about the 75gn VMAX in 25 cal...
High BC Bullets in the smaller calibres .20 to 0.25...dont seem to get much attention..., the high BC 224 VMAX, 53gn being exception
I ended up with a cheap early series rem700 in 243...which I bought as a donor action...that I'd shoot first.
Don't be surprised if the 25 Creedmoor cartridge I'm predicting comes out in the next few years and scratches that itch for you...
the 25 wsm looks funny
Yes, those really short, fat cartridges like the 25 WSSM are unusual looking. Sometimes they don't feed great either
I want a 25-35.
You can probably find a used Model 1894 in that chambering floating around out there without too much trouble...
Gonna need to update this next year when we get either 25 creedmoor or 25 PRC 😂
Did you watch all the way to the end with my prediction?
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog i had not yet! I am listening while at work right now 😂 I'm guessing I'll be retracting my comment haha
I don't know for sure, but I think there's a good chance you'll be right with your prediction in a year or two though! Let me know when you make it the rest of the way through this episode.
I finally made it to the end! I agree with you that i think the first will be a creedmoor. Reason is I think they would have a 6 PRC before making a 25 PRC. Following that same train of thought they may also release a 25 ARC and have two ratings similar to the 6 ARC. Either way i do think something will come out next year and it'll either be an arc or creedmoor for 2025. Might be late in the year when it gets revealed so 2026 before we can actually get our hands on it.
Horizon Firearms is already working with the 25 CM.
25 caliber is very underrated. 257 WBY is my personal favorite. 257 WBY has been very easy to load for. Some of my loads
92 gr Hammer @ 3875 FPS .3inch groups
101 gr Barnes LRX @ 3814 FPS Right around 1 MOA.
110 gr Accubond @ 3500 FPS .5 inch gropus
135 gr Berger @ 3150 FPS with .9 inch groups (Only reason my rifle shoots this bullet is due to my high elevation)
Very interesting, thanks for the comment! How does that 135gr Berger Hybrid Target perform for you? Have you shot anything other than paper with it?
@@Thebiggamehuntingblog I've only used the 135 gr Hybrid Target for steel and paper. I'm on the ragged edge of having it work in my 1in10 twist 257 Weatherby. It will not work at lower elevation or at below freezing temperatures at my elevation. I developed the load at 5100 feet. I have taken it out to 800 yards with a lot of success, that was at 6900 feet. th-cam.com/users/shortsscRnmXrISfo?si=8GgTHgysEqKqf4Bw
And, I don't care : )
Said the baby browning !
I'd buy a 25 caliber rifle if they came out with something different.
If I had to guess, I'd say we're going to see some further development of the 25 caliber world in the next few years and I'll bet we'll see new cartridges, new bullets, and new rifles along those lines. Moving a little farther into the future, I think this will also breathe new life into the bore diameter and spur additional development of rifles in existing 25 caliber cartridges, like the 25-06. We'll just have to see what the future holds though!