How AEW Will Turn Things Around & Close Gap on WWE | Busted Open
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2024
- After the news of AEW Dynamite's TV Ratings this week, Dave LaGreca & Tommy Dreamer have a deep discussion on when and how AEW programming could make a comeback.
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I wanted to hear Bully on this topic, boy he would've said straight up what Tommy is being cautious to talk about.
Tommy's takes are so bad.
@@peterbahi0227 he Fence rides more than Stripper
Yes, Bully is needed for this conversation
I’m so tired of this conversation. Nothings gonna change as long as guys like Dave keep glazing TK and not actually telling him what he needs to hear.
its a bummer tho. aew was detination tv for a couple years.
What u mean tell tk what he needs ??if you need to tell tk whst he needs maybe he has no business in wrestling.........
@@joselvalencI agree. But he’s no different that Vince; he’ll never give up booking power, unless you force him out
@@joselvalenc He has plenty of business in wrestling...he actually has a profitable company that gets plenty of viewership, just because it's not as big as WWE doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. You could say the same about TNA or NJPW, which are dramatically less popular numbers wise than AEW.
@@brokenkayfabe Its almost like wrestling by marks for marks burns out after a couple years
They won’t bounce back, you wanna know why? Until someone or Tony Khan on AEW admits that they need to bounce back they won’t.
Everyone there even the fans think everything is fine and dandy when it’s not!
He's already admitted it tho. And no they don't think it's fine. They have said it but they also said that he hired them to do a job and in the end they do what their boss tells them to. Same as you.
Idky, this guy expected NXT ratings to go down. WWE has spent the last several Weeks burning it into everyone's brain that NXT is moving to the CW. The fans were prepared. So prepared almost half of the AEW fanbase tuned into NXT over Dynamite.
I don't watch nxt but I was high and forgot it was on Tuesday 😂
We've had this conversation a million times over the last 2 years. When y'all gonna realize they ain't changing a damn thing 😂 they ran that ship straight into an iceberg and it's been taking on water since.
And just signed a deal with wbd and soon to be fox. Just became the second most profitable wrestling company ever. Talking about sinking ship. Women and children first.
@@randyp8849 profitable? Aew has yet to make a single dollar in profit they lose over 100 million dollars yearly just on wrestler contracts alone the all in gate of 5 million dollars only covers mone,s contract alone
A sinking ship that’s getting paid 500M+ over three years? Lay off the crayons and glue and put your helmet back on.
@@thaywood979 They are in decline according to every possible metric. Ratings, attendance, social media interest, and merchandise. Nothing is doing better now than it was in 2020.
@@sheasheagaming1660 this is quite literally inaccurate 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Everyone complaining about attendance, they’re going to new parts of the country. They haven’t been to Philly/NJ, Houston, and other big wrestling cities in almost a year.
Less than 50% of people have cable and they just got paid 500M+ from the network, so ratings clearly do not matter.
They have like 6 or 7 million followers across multiple platforms.
And you have no clue how much $ they’re bringing on merch 😂😂😂. Try to think for yourself sometime.
You really can't figure out why AEW is losing popularity? It's pretty simple to me; Vince McMahon is gone from WWE.
When AEW first started, wrestling fans were dying for something other than Vince McMahon's terrible out-of-touch booking and the toxic culture within WWE. The company was doing mass releases every other month, talent were on edge all the time because they didn't know if they'd be the next ones cut. So both the fans and the talent were excited about professional wrestling on a big stage that wasn't controlled by VKM. Then CM Punk shows up in AEW and exposes that there's been a toxic culture backstage the whole time, it was just overshadowed by WWE's toxicity. Finally, WWE was purged of it's toxicity when Vince was ousted, and fans were getting what they always wanted from WWE, so they no longer needed an alternative like AEW. Now AEW is seen as the toxic company with an out-of-touch billionaire booking terrible shows, underutilizing highly skilled talent and making fans more interested in what WWE is doing.
Brother as an example look at where the other 2 shield members are and where JonMox is.. only if he stayed.
Rollins and Reigns have already solidified their place in wrestling by golden words in bold. Punk is also having fun and enjoying being around NXT (who would've thought) Ethan Page is already on a different level so late in his career. Recently we got Giulia, Stephanie Vaquer, Delta, Motor City Machine Guns. Cody Rhodes the literal undisputed champion cutting cinematic promos (with Roman) and so many more wrestlers having fun being around WWE even the legends. Triple H, Nick Khan and Shawn Michaels are fuelling WWE with Nuclear energy.
Aew was getting alot of blind praise in the beginning fans were giving it a pass on everything it was just a matter of time that fans were going to have to take aew for what it really was underwhelming. When aew,s honeymoon phase was over alot of aew fans dropped their bias
@@mikemadsen7926 I was losing interest in AEW. Adam Page's title run was literally the most boring title run in the history of professional wrestling. CM Punk kept my eyes on the product. AEW's failure to manage the locker room and handle conflicts professionally, ultimately causing CM Punk's outbursts, made me lose interest in the company altogether.
@@christopheraaron8299CM Punk has been a noted toxic problem everywhere he’s been but AEW is the issue? 😂😂😂
CM Punk fans are stuck in a 10 year relationship with a guy you met on TV 😂😂
Notice how Jericho and MVP are two grown men that can resolve issues on their own? What a novel concept.
@@thaywood979 Really? The last year proves that wrong. CM Punk is doing quite well in WWE now and there haven't been any disciplinary issues. CM Punk was never the problem in AEW, Tony's failure to put his jealous talent in check was. Everyone on the roster moved down a peg when Punk showed up, and a lot of the guys who were near the top of the card before his arrival didn't like it. Adam Page and Jungle Toddler are prime examples, and the EVPs definitely couldn't handle it. Wrestling is supposed to be a business, but CM Punk was right when he said AEW is not a business. There's no professionalism. If Tony had hired someone more competent than Christopher Daniels to run talent relations, we might not be having this conversation.
- Cody Rhodes leaving the company is what caused the cracks to show. He was a true leader, and he had his own vision. The Bucks had their falling out with Cody, and suddenly dirtsheets start spreading rumors on Cody and Brandi turning the fanbase against them. Victim number one
- CM Punk the biggest acquisition AEW has ever had, the attendance numbers and buy rates show that, it’s not disputable. AEW business was hot in 2022, then you start hearing all these dirtsheet rumors of how Punk got Cabana fired when he wasn’t even fired, and being difficult to work with. The Meltzers of the world reported things like this, gee I wonder where that came from?? Well Punk called them out publicly for it which wasn’t professional but sometimes you just get to a breaking point. Victim number 2
I believe the drama the Bucks started with both Cody and Punk divided their own audience and when the two of them left the company they took half the audience with them, on top of that Vince McMahon retired and I believe more fans were willing to give this new era of WWE a chance.
- Wardlow had the potential to be the top guy but they completely botched him.
- potential main eventers like Hobbs, Brian Cage and Big Bill have all jobbed out to 150lb Orange Cassidy, who I’m sorry I don’t see the appeal. Same with Jungle Boy, Wheeler Yuta and Danny Garcia the guys don’t look like they could hold their own in a real fight, they look like pre teens but Tony books them like they’re top guys.
- You always hear about backstage drama in AEW, it’s like there’s no leadership there anymore.
- Tony Khan is the biggest problem. He should stop appearing to do interviews if he’s not going to answer questions, all he does is ramble on and on and on and on about how AEW is the best wrestling company. He’s the best booker yada yada.
They have good talent. I like MJF, Swerve, Osprey and even Hangman. I think those 4 guys are stars and have something. AEW still has the vets like Jericho, Mox, Edge, Danielson and Christian. They have the roster but the above mentioned is a lot of what hurt the perception of the company.
Also their fan base… toxic, hateful trolls that live to go online and insult anyone who doesn’t praise Tony Khan and his booking. They are hurting AEW grow new fans.
why do ya'll keep saying Cody vs Bucks when both Cody and the Bucks said they have no beef??
This is Spot on, everything you said EVERYTHING. This man gets it. The product is beyond damaged.
The Cody exit was really my first time stepping back and saying "Something's not right there" then the what would become the typical "wrestler left and is bad, we here in AEW we good" stuff was another red flag. Then they got CM Punk and he further exposed cracks in the foundation. Jericho drags the shows down from what I hear, so yeah Cody and Brandi's exit was the beginning of aew being whatever it is now
@@mst0577they have remained professional with each other, but there was clearly a divide somewhere along the line. Cody stopped interacting with them or being around them much at all really. Cody wouldn’t have just left for no reason after being so instrumental in starting the company (something that Cody has expressed a little bit of resentment towards the Bucks for seemingly downplaying his role in that after he left).
Their dynamic isn’t like the Punk/Bucks one for sure, but no matter how professional Cody maintains, there’s no way everything was rainbows and sunshine.
@@hectic105 Again, Cody and the Bucks didn't say that and you have decided to create your own narrative. It's fine to have an opinion. It's just not fact. I'm not going to ignore what the wrestlers have actually said to suit my narrative.
WWE never got this type of optimism in the past.
Facts!
I went from watching all of AEW, to only PPVs over the past year, now even ppvs are struggle and feel like a chore. There is no reason to tune in the next time like there is in WWE/TNA because there is no emotional connection to a story or a character to invest in. Matches for matches sake as you said before is like calories without any nutritional value.
Alot of fans gradually faded away from aew you guys were giving aew a fair chance completely rooting for aew until it was pretty much unbearable. I always found aew to be generic in 2019 after watches those circus casino battle Royale I knew aew wouldn't last
Wait, you watch the PPVs and not the weekly episodes and complain that you’re missing the story? 😂😂😂😂
That’s like reading to the last page and saying, well that book sucked 😂😂😂😂😂
Wrestling fans are the most cynical group of lobotomized goofs in existence.
WELL, IF YOU ARE ONLY WATCHING PPV'S THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE NO CONNECTION BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT WATCHING THE STORIES.
@@thaywood979 You are the lobotomized one, the point is i stopped following weekly episodes because i saw there was no point, no payoffs, many stories starting to build up and dropped randomly, wrestlers being in a story and then without any notice gone for weeks or months without any reason given, if they focused more to build their home grown talent, instead of relying on ex-wwe 50 year old wrestlers it would have been better. I stopped watching mainly around the time MJF got injured and Punk came to WWE.
@@CosmicDreamz139 So 1. You were wrong, AEW just paid off 2 long stories and is about to end the Danielson story to start the Moxley faction story.
2. You just outed yourself as a CM Punk goof.
MJF, Darby Allin, Swerve, Hangman, Orange Cassidy, Daniel Garcia, Brit Baker, Jack Perry aren’t homegrown stars? 😂
I hope they gave you a helmet after that lobotomy.
As a WWE fan, I actually miss when AEW was doing good, 2021 era. It was so exciting to watch both shows. Now it’s just sad to watch AEW at this point
It is because there will never be another shot at an alternative product with that much money backing - but it isn't because its blowing up in the face of people, including their toxic fans, and it couldn't happen to nicer people.
Is Tommy trying not to get on the bad side of TK? He never says anything critical about AEW.
To be fair Tommy never says anything REAL. I fast-forward whenever he talks. That’s why can’t listen live whenever Tommy is on
@@Frank-ui3gh thought it was just me
@@johnnielewis4250 Tommy doesn’t say anything of importance. He rides the fence so much that he’s basically just saying words only.
@@Frank-ui3gh I can't listen to Thunder Rosa. She's not as bad as Denise, though. Denise is intolerable. I guess Busted Open needed to fill a quota.
Tommy and all the others that ignore the obvious, are the problem.
NO EXCUSE Tommy backstage & an injury in WWE & what did we get ? Punk vs Drew 😂
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You can make a few 🪙 if you recycle.
Just saying
You’re part of the problem 🤡
Lets be real CM Punk drama was the start of the decline and then the whole Devil/MJF storyline completely killed any and all momentum/interest there was. Only good thing since then has been Swerve and Page
and Toni vs Moriah.
AEW is the third most watched North American US promotion behind WWE and NXT. They have fallen off so hard it is hard to believe.
Nxt this week had a higher rating than dynamite rampage and collision combined. Aew is competing with tna at this point
@@mikemadsen7926yeah but it’s also on a channel that way more people can get
you do realize NXT is wwe right..........
Is a Promotion within a Bigger Organization. If you look at FCC Filings
Let's face reality. As long as Tony Khan is in charge AEW will NEVER turn things around he is already complacent due to the renewal on WBD. And NO they will NEVER close gap with the WWE.
Based on they wrestle dream pre show card not soon enough. Super random matches
There is nothing that AEW does that makes me say, "I have to tune in next week! I can't miss it..." Every show is the same. Almost every match is the same. They're trying to fit 100 people into each week's show. That won't work. There's no emotional investment.
Tony Khan needs to go away as far as interviews...he makes aew so hard to root for. i used to love aew before he won booker of the year and became all encompassing. Cody Rhodes original vision of for pro wrestling fans and 100% fan service is the key difference. Bucks became sad millionaire victims of cm punk who refused to work with him..
All the wrestling fans was happy and excited to see AEW But once they started taking shots at WWE everything changed.
One thing about AEW right now is no one stands out of course with the exceptions of Christian, Bryan, MJF.
Ospreay, Ricochet, Hangman, Swerve, etc. What really are their character? They are all great athletes. But they need to have more of a connection with fans.
It’s cold because it sucks !!!
Company been around for only 5 years. They're still a relatively new company. They'll be fine. I never understood the AEW hate from folks wanttlltheir downfall. I see a lot of yall amnesia has kicked in. But did yall the forget the pro wrestling we went thru when it was just ONLY WWE...and VKM was putting out bs after bs...knowing no one was gonna do anything about it? Yeah be careful with that hate. I rather deal with an AEW that's going thru growing pains, than an established company with no competition, and force feeding fans bs matches and gimmicks like VKM was doing. Again....AEW will be fine. Both companies are fine. Calm down follks.
5 years, its been downhill for the last three by signifgent margins every year, but anything critical is hate. Theres downfall and theres the delsioun that aew and wwe is anything but close any more. Aew competes with devolopmental show and is ahead of TNA with no signs of growth. Stop talking like wwe cares about what aew does anyomre
@@danielcavanagh6411huh? He spitting facts tho…Vince was creating insufferable television on a weekly basis…wwe felt like a chore…every Monday and Friday
At one point, The Acclaimed were the hottest team in wrestling. They won the belt and immediately dropped em to the Gunns. That did not make the Gunns. It cooled The Acclaimed.
Tna is being helped by wwe just like nxt y’all act like it’s strictly there own wrestlers but it’s not the only reason wwe is helping them is because he wants aew out you know that’s true triple h ain’t no different from his father in law!
@@tomvallejo2438 you just said it right there.. WWE actually HELPED TNA whereas AEW took their top title, buried a 3rd of the main event, then have Kenny drop the title to ANOTHER AEW guy.. AEW wanted to destroy them while WWE is getting praised for helping BECAUSE you goofs chose to try to bury them
They'll rebound when the powers that be realize they don't know everything, but that will never happen, so they'll never rebound.
I’m a father of 2. I don’t have time to consume all wrestling because there’s soo much it feels like a chore. Due to this I tend to stick with 1 promotion and keep up with the rest. (Also I’m in the U.K. so watching some promotions is expensive or difficult.)
3 years ago I would watch AEW and keep up with WWE, so I knew what was going on when I watch the Big 4. I’d even watch some TNA and NJPW, which I hadn’t done in years. That shifted about 18 months ago. I now watch WWE and keep up with everything else and watch TNA mainly through YT.
AEWs cannibalism has left little to nothing of NJPW and ROH has been wasted by them. I can’t be bothered to watch their PPVs cause most of the matches are the same with differently skilled talent or they do things for shock factor.
Massive respect to you guys, and i believe aew needs to make storylines where audience wouldnt dare to miss then it wont matter what day of the week it is.. ..
I want aew to succeed bt these days i am afraid for them
I still think AEW hasn't recovered from WillyO and the Grind promo and the handling of Punk. WWE fans, for the most part, checked out there and then. I hope AEW can find its footing again. TK might have to start praising WWE for their success, tho, and I doubt that will happen.
You think that grind promo with Oceanspray was that damaging?
@Milwaukhehe I still mock him for it 😆. He should be known as the Grinder and start dancing with Daniel Garcia. Unfortunately, it was at a time when H was viewed as the savior of WWE, so I do think it was fairly damaging
I do think the way TK handled Punk, Britt, and some former WWE talents was a morale killer for AEW.
People love Keith Lee, he's sitting at home. People love Malachi Black, he's rarely on Dynamite or doing anything important, people love Edge, he's at home injured, Adam Cole, been gone for a year injured, Kenny Omega, a year injured, all this WWE talent comes over and don't get used after a big debut which pisses viewers off
@@ChaseSchleich Keith has continuous back issues - that's not TK's fault. I am baffled by Malachi and HoB bookng and have been for years.
Are the DVR views included in this because I DVR everything and I watched AEW live then watched NXT afterwards as I think most do weather you watch NXT live then AEW on DVR. I love all wrestling by the way I’m not a tribalistic person when it comes to wrestling companies because that’s literally stupid.
There no turning things around with AEW as long as tony is head of creative and booking they are slowly dying from the inside. NXT was more compelling this week than all 3 krapy aew shows. I'm already done with aew it's just random matches thrown together Tony style wrestling reflects on what Dave Meltzer likes no proper story and no long term booking.
Let's face it, TK is a fantasy matchmaker and not a booker. He has a complete and utter inability to book long term. If he's happy with his mark army and not growing his business it will never change.
The storylines stinks and I'm sorry 165lb Darby fighting Brody is ridiculous and trying to take it seriously? I can't 😂😂
What a dumb argument! Rey Mysterio has beaten much bigger guys millions of times. If this was real fighting, Matt Riddle would have gone undefeated in WWE.
You did with Rey Mysterio vs The Big show, Rey Mysterio vs Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio vs Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio vs Kane....He is 5 foot 5 and 170lbs...I get Rey Mysterio is more bulker and buffer, and all around better performer, more charismatic, better promos....oh wait I'm wrong Rey Mysterio is more believable and realistic looking compared to Darby Allen o0ps I mean Allin.
😂😂
Brody King should be AEW Champ and in a big fued with Wardlow right about now.
Was spike dudley 600 pounds 🤣
@@PeteRox12 No he wouldn't, not even, the Samoans would never down from him and would never fear him...They are not scared of shit, they would fight any MMA fighter if they have too.
They are legitimately dangerous animals especially the Islanders...even MMA fighters would tell you they are dangerous and feared and they would never try to F with them out of respect.
Plus if Brock Lesnar, Bobby Lashley, Wanted to take him apart they would do it with ease....Matt Riddle Hasn't fought in a Octagon in a decade...he isn't as superior anymore...the guy is almost 40 years old.
Unless he gets back in MMA and dominates ...we will never know what his level of fighting is now.
You also have NCAA Amature wrestlers, Olympians in WWE right now too.
Will osprey is one of the best wrestlers I’ve ever seen but I generally don’t care what anyone says his promo skills and mic skills are so horrible and cringey it’s hard to connect with him as a wrestler in my opinion
Aew ppvs are fire 🔥. If your a wwe fan and don’t respect the PPV quality your just a hater.
There is no faster way to kill your argument than by using the word "hater"
I think TNA is gonna get closer to WWE then AEW in the next 2yrs if they don't screw it up managerial or financially internally.
I honestly think AEW has felt unimportant since CM Punk left. He truly did make AEW stand out.
I like the space shuttle. If I bought one, I couldn’t fly it to space, despite studying the history of space flights.
Tell me what will motivate TK to change?
If the shows are on the same night, I'm watching WWE every time... For me it's because of TK... And AEW has signed some of my favorite wrestlers... I just can't give Tony my viewership cuz some of the shit he has said!!!
Dave explaining that he doesn’t understand network television makes me question why I listen to this show.
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100% Dave also was positive that Jordynne Grace was gonna be Roxy for the NXT women's title on an NXT PLE 🤣🤣🤣
Right? I think everyone expected NXT to beat AEW in the ratings.
But the 870k+ vs 320k shocked me.
I feel like Shad Khan is going to have to tell Tony things are going to change, or I'm pulling the plug.
AEW has to worry about the NBA for one more season AEW was hot at first because there were wrestlers many had only heard about now on a major TV network. They did some things WWE did not do. The WWE had some rough years at the end of the Vince run. Great matches are awesome, but people stay for long term consistent storylines. WWE social media presence is so far above AEW. I see video posts on Facebook while Raw is still on.
How will AEW close the gap with WWE? They persevere and grow their audience. Simple. Tend to their own business. Last week, 300K of their cable TV audience didn't watch on Tuesday. The folks saying that These fans watched NXT instead are demonstrably wrong (sorry podcasters). Dynamite and NXT only went "head to head" for an hr. During that hour, NXT's audience didn't decrease too much from its first hour. And AEW? Their audience didn't INCREASE too much (maybe 20-30K) after NXT ended. You don't need a Stats degree to know that there wasn't a large shared audience. Last year, on Tuesday, 250K of AEW's audience didn't tune in. This week, on Tuesday, about 300K of their audience didn't tune in. Tommy Dreamer is always the voice of reason, and I love when they have him on. PHUKK Bubba.
execpt they are not growing. They may have a consist number, but thats because they already burned off all the not die hard fans. They have no compitetion yet we keep seeing oh 800k is good, oh 700k is good. It keeps going down and people ar enot ocming back
@@danielcavanagh6411 Excellent point, but "be more like WWE:" is not the answer to every promotion's issues. WWE has fans and is giving them what they want. AEW needs to give ITS fans what WE want (I am proudly one of them). It will grow slowly, but it will grow nonetheless.
Mjf is doing a movie man
I just feel like tony remids me of dixie carter bringing in hogan and bischoff and told the talent work with them then that was the beginning of the end...as hot as swerve and hangman were THAT was the match we needed to see at all in...
AEW is a rushed booking very few to no long term booking. And the long term they do have Noone cares about. also swerve got hot then they beat the hell out of him and ruined his buzz. pushing tiny jungle boy who does look to be a heal. Underdog baby face is his potential
I think the answer is when WWE's momentum slows. AEW's show quality/ booking actually has not declined like many say.
Also, just securing a TV deal (and potentially more with Shockwave) is the opposite of declining.
It’s like y’all guys on this podcast y’all know how it really is but y’all just don’t want to say anything about wwe are they paying for y’all’s podcast to !
AEW can course-correct if:
1) They stop using Jericho, period. He has go away heat with fans. Tony, his friends, whoever, need to sit him down and tell him to go away and come back and do something different because this nonsense changing his gimmick every month and being cringe isn't working.
2) They need to stop throwing away matches on Dynamite. Television is used to build intrigue to your PPVs. That's where your stories happen. Goldberg-Hogan being given away on free TV was a monumental mistake by WCW. They need to save matches to actually make them special. No one is going to remember throw away matches on Dynamite if every Dynamite is a car crash 5-star indy spot-fest. No one cares about the flips.
3) They need to stop having these car crash matches all the time, because their talent is too banged up. They, as of writing, have 26 wrestlers out with injuries.
4) Tony needs to grow a set, and actually release some of the talent. He isn't using them and they just sit around doing nothing for long stints of time while Tony goes and signs someone else new. The people he wants to keep, he actually needs to use. He has three television shows and there's wrestlers who don't appear on any of them. Actually divide the roster up and set it up so you have storylines going on every program so it's worth watching. No one watches Collision or Rampage (assuming it's going away) because the matches never mattered. He can't afford for that to be the case with Shockwave. Put all your main talent on Dynamite since it still has the most eyes. Put all the underneath guys on Collision and Shockwave and give them something to do and use everyone.
Dave named all the wrestlers TK cooled off with the quickness. Warlow, MJF, Thunder, and The Acclaimed. TK put them all on ice or off TV. That's your booker of the year... I want AEW to work out. I am rooting for TK, but he needs help from the great wrestling minds around him. It's definitely possible for him to turn it around.
A public passing of the book is Tony Kahn's only hope to get eyes back on. Fans are smart enough.
Massive Ls for Ospreay and MJF choosing to double down on AEW those guys should be in WWE right now lighting the wresting world on fire
If mjf left aew it would be the death of the company
Did the wwe change for the better after the new generation? Yes, and they became the hottest product with the attitude era. WWE has been in this same spot as AEW.
I do think Dave is being a bit dramatic though lol This year has been great for AEW minus Title Tuesday. Some of his criticism is fair, but also, let's not forget history. MJF no showed a ppv that was supposed to be Wardlows big moment. Brit and Rosa didn't get along. Punk made a fool out of tony and AEW. These are things that no one could predict would happen that stopped momentum for the company and certain wrestlers.
AEW is also only 5 years old. Should we be that worried because of one night on a Tuesday in a venue that they've never been to before? No, the punk situation was more serious than this.
Vince was the one thing that held WWE back from where it could have gone. He no longer there.... Things have been mostly fixed with WWE from 6-7 years ago. And the fans that left for AEW when it started have now mostly returned.😂😂😂😂
AEW served it's purpose, WWE is back to being good if not better than good.
So David after you cash your most recent AEW PAYCHECK, don't ask what they can do to "turn it around" ask when is WWE going to buy AEW.
What AEW needs is for Big Vinnie Mac to come back to WWE creative.
AEW was hot initially because it was the new, hot thing, and it was "big enough" to compete with WWE. But like with most "new hot things", the newness wears off and it becomes just another thing. And most times when you have to choose between two things, you're gonna choose what you're most comfortable with. Of course there are hardcore fans of AEW, but when hardcore wrestling fans have to choose, they choose WWE. AEW is, in my opinion, still a great product but it will never replace WWE to most fans.
Dave Dave Dave, there is only one thing for AEW to do and that is to sell to WWE... WWE is far to ahead and they are not stopping anytime soon. #aewisdone
unlike many people i am not gonna sit down here and act like i'm above and beyond knowledgeable folks in the field and say AEW is trash or storylines suck etc etc. nothing that AEW is doing right now are things that wrestling hasn't done before. AEW storylines have in fact gotten a lot better compared to last year as we're seeing more long term bookings
however what i think really happening is simple : WWE is the hotter product at this moment and time. no matter what AEW does right now WWE is the bigger product and will overshadow it while its hot. the same way AEW was doing it to WWE when AEW was hot. Vince no longer being in WWE doesn't mean anything to me. this is Triple H's era honeymoon phase and once this is over then we will see what is going to happen for real.
AEW is still very important for the world of wrestling , its the link between American Wrestling and Mexican/Japanese wrestling and as such it is bringing a lot of eyes towards a lot of talent. (Stephanie Vaquer being one of them , Ethan Page being NXT champion being another , etc etc) so people going out there wishing for the company to die just because they like WWE is ridiculous to me.
AEW has issues. but neither are company breaking level of bad and i've been watching this company since its creation. i am very critical of bad things when i see it as i was with WWE for years , but AEW hasn't reached that level for me. its a different kind of product
Its cope that Aew is why Stephanie Vaquer is in wwe right now
@@Milwaukhehe its not cope and its 1000% factual that AEW is why Stephanie got the eyes and the offer from WWE. that was not a coincidence that they did that right after her match at Forbidden Door.
cope is denying this just because you like the other promotion more.
If you love your partner, and they ask if these pants make them look fat, don't be afraid to be honest. Journalists are afraid to tell AEW they're getting fat.
The only way for AEW to bounce back is for TK to fully step down from all of his roles in AEW. Outside of his money he offers AEW nothing.
The gap is an ever widening gulf for two simple reasons
1.wwe is a bigger and better oiled machine than its ever been since the early 2000’s
Their comeback story as a company alone brings eyes to the product, let alone their content
2. They currently have a very strong structure in terms of booking, storytelling, in ring work (their wrestlers make shit count unlike aew) fan access and interaction
And a bonus 3
I mean they are nearly a century ahead of aew if you count the Vince snr era
Would love to see what tna could do if they got on a decent channel in usa/uk
Tna is hot because of wwe partnership
It's been 5 years now and haven't come close.
Thats one hell of an optimistic title
AEW closing the gap with WWE is like saying Dollar General (AEW) wants to compete with Amazon (WWE). Tony Khan is the problem! He is and always will be the problem. AEW will never have the attendance they once had when CM Punk was around because they don’t make stars.
Never. It’ll keep getting emptier and emptier 😂
I disagree that things will be good if Wrestledream is a grand slam.
We KNOW it will be good. One of AEW's biggest strengths is that the wrestling is entertaining on the big days.
The week to week shows are what's really dragging it down. A PPV can be kind of a dud when the connecting threads pull it back up.
I see the only way AEW pulls it back up is have strong, consistent story work for a months. Dream matches won't cut it because Ospreay V Ricochet & Danielson V Okada on the same night couldn't cut it
Why would a move to broadcast decline ratings lol it's always been the opposite
Less people have cable
No building of storylines, storylines that when they actually start to build are suddenly dropped with no explanation (Statlander as an example), and too many matches that have no meaning. They would be better served using a few more skits/ promos, and a few less Jericho segments. Split the RoH brand away from AEW completely, and consolidate some of the lesser belts. More focus on the women’s division and the tag team division. Those helped separate them from WWE in the past, and can again if done right.
Very very cold is crazy when after every ppv everyone says “omg this was a quality show”. So figure that out lagreca.
Brilliant analysis from Dave on biggest problems in aew
I feel like when AEW launched we the wrestling fans were tired of WWE’s current product. Main roster shows weren’t great. Anything we loved in NXT were destroyed once they got called up. So AEW being new and fresh was pretty cool. Now they’ve done the same. Same wrestlers, same story’s. Great wrestling I may add, but the overall product isn’t hitting. I feel like they’re a great alternative but they have to make the product look and feel different again. Go to venues that no one uses, have that underground vibe.
Really Dave you don't know why???Tony Khan is the problem get the balls and say it
Tommy has nothing to add to any conversation. He just rambles, Bully needed to be on this video.
Thank you guys for having this convo and having it calmly and with hope. I can ignore this week because of the move to Tues and travel issues. AEW has been super spotty for at least 2 years now. I don't expect perfect every time but I'm a day 1 fan. I cannot deny that the booking is confusing. Why is HoB still barely midcard??? They should have been running Collision since Punk left. They also had that challenge where they would do any type of stipulation the other team wanted. No one took them up on it. What a lazy, disappointing (and, frankly, very telling) move that was of AEW.
Why is the likes of Athena still on RoH? In a year they haven't been able to find ANYTHING to do with Starks or Wardlow?? Hook is good but I'm not seeing enough growth to warrant the constant screen time we get from him - do the ratings spike during his segments or something? Why is the takeover by The Young Bucks so flat?? They barely hinted at being evil. They could have done so much more with that.
All this talent, 5 hrs of tv time a week, and we still see the same folks and then random matches with no thru-line at all. They HAVE to learn to do more than 1 engaging storyline at a time. That they have nothing lined up for Moriah, post-Toni is such a bad look.
We also need to talk about the presentation of these wrestlers. Most of the look like they just walked off the street - Mox and Danielson can get away with it. The rest of the wrestlers need to put some work into it. It should speak to your gimmick and personality.
I y_had a dream that cody rhodes died in a motorcycle crash, but it was just a dream...aew rebounding? thats another dream 😂😂😂
Well every company has its flaws, back in the late 2010’s, WWE showed its flaws via Vince McMahon’s out-of-touch booking strategies. But NOW, looking at a lot of underwhelming storylines and where some talent who should be in a better position than they are now, that is one of AEW’s flaws in addition to the talent support and morale backstage recently documented, thus fan support and tv ratings get affected negatively. WWE may have a bit of its flaws even with Paul “Triple H” in charge, but politics aside, its clear as day between WWE and AEW who’s winning the ratings battle, which one has gained more fans lately and which one has produced more compelling storylines.
There never gonna close any gap with WWE...they didn't When they started in 2019 because even back then WWE was way ahead.
No gap. Just stagnant and there honey moon is over now.
There never gonna close any gap with WWE...they didn't When they started in 2019 because even back then WWE was way ahead.
No gap. Just stagnant and there honey moon is over now...plus WWE is going through a new Golden Era boom period right now, and they now have the top biggest draws and stars in all of pro wrestling...it's like trying to compete with them in The Attitude Era & The Rock "N" Wrestling Era...it's in possible now because WWE is killing it right now in Ratings, social media, Streaming, Facebook, Twitter/X, TH-cam, Instagram, LIKES, hits, Viewership, revenue, Breaking livegate records, selling out every week in record numbers, making millions hands and feet, Stars have been made, stars are now mainstream, attendance is at all time high...they rule streaming....they are breaking records everywhere they go... there Pay-Per-View/Special events are selling out months before, and breaking attendance records...Just imagine when they decide to Go to Wimbley Stadium they will surpass anything AEW ever did in attendance, including grossing more...I mean they did in 1992 with 83,000 but people forget that right... WWE will shatter all of them including their 1992 SummerSlam attendance and gate records. If WWE really decided to do a Pay-Per-View at Wimbley Stadium nOw they will shatter anyone's previous records, and gross higher then anything that Country has seen breaking any records...it's too easy for WWE.
They are on top of the world right now. You will never see another WCW Monday night war again... nobody will ever see those days again people need to move with that unrealistic fantasy and move with the times and stop living in the past.
Eric Bischoff remands the only man who defeated WWE and Vince McMahon head to head in a real ratings war for 2 years straight....the likes of that will never happen again.
WWE is too powerful nowadays, they are not at the brink of going out of business, they are not dying ratings wise, they are not losing sponsors, and losing top mega draw stars, they are making new Mega stars...it was easy for Ted Turner to come in and dominate when Vince McMahon and WWE were suffering financially and almost going out of business losing almost everything, including resources, they had to start from scratch well Ted Turner brought out his billions and he owned 4 network's, he paid wrestlers guaranteed contracts with days off, and creative control over their careers, plus more money....they had bigger budget more money ..back then...Not anymore, they are not in that situation and haven't been since 1998.... they have more money then anytime of it's existence...they are making more money then any Era.
If Roman Reigns, Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, Seth Rollins all decided to leave to AEW all at once then you'll see some significant change...but that won't ever happen.
The WWE wrestlers that leave WWE for AEW were never big draws and never put butts in seats never broke merch records...they are not needle movers.
Plus WWE knows how to tell real long term storytelling and get Causel fans invested week by week episodic television...WWE now is watched by all Demographics including 18-30 Demo...they are now watched by Causel fans which you need to have ratings...they are the true masses.
Only catering to your small obscure Mark loyal audiences will only keep your product stagnant and it will never grow...you need to cater to everyone and stop catering to IWC they never move the needle...it becomes, repetitive, redundant, and tired.
The reason pro wrestling got the 3 Golden Era's of pro wrestling like The Rock "N" Wrestling Era, The Attitude Era, and now with the Renaissance Cinema Era is because of the Causel fans watching, Lapsed fans watching again...they are the ones that make pro wrestling mainstream and popular again. Unfortunately for the smart Marks they never help ratings go up they are always gonna be the loyal watchers regardless of pro wrestlings popularity....But Causel fans turn pro wrestling into a pop culture Phenomena and make ratings go all the way and they are the ones that need to be invested.
Plus Causel fans are always interested and more invested in long term storytelling and character builds, promos, charisma, believability, realism, the pro wrestlers need to be larger than life and believable.
They made quite a few mistakes in booking. Brilliant storyline with Rosa vs Virtuosa Deonna Purrazzo and Tony vs Mariah was and is brilliant. But there a few problems. Especially after all in and all out. But I think there are changes to come and Mox and his story will be the main focus
Everyone is busy patting AEW on the back for media roghts deal, but they cant address their attendance problem. Ratings doesn't matter to them and will even less once things are simulcast Max. But the attendance is one thing that will always be glaring.
The crowd was Quitet half the time Saturday
Let’s stop comparing it and just observe wrestling as a whole independent of the industry. We crave for new shit then be like “the new shit isn’t as good as the old shit” fucking fickle! Especially it be on episode and everyone hits red alert
Some of Saturday was great Some was just ok I was there
It's happening right now.
For as big as this show is, they always leave out context in favour of the instant gratification response. Busted Open is big enough to focus less on SEO topics that rage bait and stoke the flames of tribalism. The last half dozen uploads prove that. Wrestling has a common baseline when it comes to a ring, opponents and a story. But you still have to adjust the way you watch every company. Ebbs and flows. Carry on.
I genuinely hope AEW does fix things but with TK running things I cant see it happening. WWE is on fire and AEW can sell 2k tickets. Its sad what it has become but unless they admit there are issues and attempt to correct it they will never get better bc they are not trying to change. TK keeps saying that everything is fine. Clearly it wont change.
Tony Khan books for the sickos. Tells you all you need to know.
It was really really bad for AEW to lose Cody and Punk because early on it seemed the company was built for them... now they've lost Kenny Omega due to health problems and we see MJF only every so often... AEW needs to strengthen their lower roster and establish their flagship competitors all over again so it seems like they're in a bit of a scramble
Cody helped Tony put together the shows, and now he doesn't. That's what happened in the last 3-4 years, Dave.
It’s because WWE got better after Vince left and majority of the people can only consume a certain amount of wrestling content. They’re now watching the WWE while die hard wrestling fans will still watch both AEW and WWE or a small percentage watch only AEW
MJF is a future legend
It’s never going to rebound 😂it’s just slowly going to continue to die until either Tony gives up or his father is sick of losing money.
Bro, it's easy:
1. New booker: TK can't book. He lacks logic and sense. He books to himself and his friends but not for the big audience. Not only focusing on a niche. He needs to book to every wrestling fan out there.
2. New marketing team: The merch is boring and awful. TK himself remembers on social media the matches of the show two days before at least. That's not his job. Use a team that makes that work.
3. Push younger talent: Enough of Moxley. Enough of Jericho. Push talent that needs to be pushed. Not OC. Not Perry. Not Yuta. People that qualifies for TV and that have a lot of personality because charisma sells more than a banger of a match.
4. Fire everyone that doesn't want to learn or improve: If he has a lot of talent that have a massive ego and refuse to listen to the old guard, fire them. They need to listen to people that knows the business. People that have worked in the wrestling business. On TV. Not on indys. HHH has a lot of people that knows the business while TK listens to everyone (At least 30 people). That's insane. 10 and that's a lot.
Aew been feeling like a wish version of wwe lately hasn't been all that great
Dave if you really care about AEW, Grow a set and admit Tony has to either change his way of booking or hire someone who knows how to and be truthful with him about it.
It won’t change, AEW getting a new WBD deal justified Tony’s horrible booking in his eyes. I swear I only hear AEW talk on busted open. I just can’t watch, it’s a boring product. AEW has zero culture impact. Nobody cares about this professional indie wrestling promotion.
I would say give it few months this could be the beginning of them really hurting if they don't make some changes
It's sad to know that there is another wrestling company out there that's grinding and doing what they're supposed to do and people don't want a company like that they would rather a billionaire just buy a company and put money behind it and push it down our eyes I'm going to always be a TNA fan till the day I die TNA is the best company
If Bryan Danielson loses the title, I don't think Bryan will retire, depending on how Bryan loses the title.
Please be more vague
@@GDavis49 Interference, cheating