Yeah well i actually knew about it before anyone did too. I was just doing random shit in the game and I found the canyons. The white fog scared me as a child first discovering this glitch. i cried when i saw the white void.
the site has a continuation: needforspeedtheories.boards.net/ .. although its only 1 or 2 people actually posting things anymore, everybody moved to discord
Speedyheart oh okay cool I'll check them out. I've seen some other of your carbon videos and just wanna say that your videos are the most helpful when it comes to visuals and info.
That old beta map of Palmont City looks really good. From an wide perspective, it looks like a state. Sadly they scrapped it because of the Rival Crew system and hiding/cooldown spots.
Yeah. Even though there are a lot of spots from the map that exist in the final game, it seems like that extra area was supposed to be another part of the city or just a bigger canyon.
Except its not. Its not a state. its a fake mock up for PS2 demo needs. Its just made of bits of final palmont and has never been a map. We found original concept and its identical to final Palmont in shape and design, just without final road layout.
i found the beta territory parts, also while i was in the void some time ago i found cassino town minimap routes but the city doesnt exist only routes on the map, i will make a video on soon buts its pretty hard to find them because they are scatered all over the real map and i found about 50 textures of them,i got the images of the territories, the casino town and silverton are 2 diffrent places but based on the same map design, the one i found had similarities between canyon and silverton together please respond p.s im trying to find again in the void i will try post the video in about 2-3weeks
barely EA Games and EA Canada (i think) didnt know that the old version is better than the new... the new looked like a version for nerds, i dont have a problem with nerds but i have problem with the worst kind of nerds... just saying san juan looked better and the best thing that EA Can DO is recreate the map and missions/races that were supposed to be on the beta NFS CARBON, I'd Love to check the version that were supposed to be... anyway there will not be san juan again as i imagine but its ok to have fun playing nfs
Great work Speedy :) Is it possible to collect all this lost and unused textures to create a whole new Palmont city fully remastered? I've seen Dragozool make a remastered texture of Bayview for Underground 2 though. I just want Palmont city to be as it would be originally before the devs became complete buzzkills, with San Juan back on the map and an access to the canyons without an "out of level glitch".
...It is possible to acces canyons without the "out of level glitch" - download the ExtraOptions mod, put it in your 'scripts' folder, press left shift + 1-5 in game to save your current possition, so you can teleport to it whenever you want... you'll need to get to the canyon by the "out of level" glitch to save it, tho XD
the unfinished canyon in the final game was probably what they used to create the TV ad special canyon route, they probably added some scenery to it in the distance to make the San Juan looking city and then took it off once the ad was made and forgot to remove the road
I think they should've connected San Juan to the rest of Palmont, first off, because it's detailed enough, and second, it would've expanded the extremely short career mode, even if only a little bit, I hope somebody does it someday
@@yassinhafez1337 I feel canyons long enough lol Though I'd like at least Lookout Point connected to Palmont, and the cops are fine, but it'd be better if they made a difference in Career
And main crews, I think we just need one more, to cover San Juan, I have a mod called improvement, hope they will connect San Juan and Lookout Point to Palmont someday lol
@@forests.9597 Yes I know but here me out some canyons if you play are very close to each other and they would have been freeroamable and their was a screenshot I'm the alpha of a Chrysler which looked very similar to the one in the fateful race so I guess there was more into it the only 2 canyons which are stand off are lookout point and the one where you race darius
Speedyheart KK. BTW the footage made by the hungarian newspaper called Gamestar. I don't say, that footage is unique, but I remember that Gas Station from the video :)
Don't you just wish Palmont city was a real place? I'd totally live there. But if Tri-City Bay was real that is most definitely where i'd live what about you guys? Either way this video was very good! This stuff is very interesting, may I ask how you found all this out?
+AussieGamer Style if you live in palmont where does all the food come from? also this stuff has been found out over the life of NFST. i decided to put stuff together and make a video on everything to clear up confusion. i also added some of the best and well known beta images found for comparisons :p
+sammycalizario1 well carbon was based off of the same engine as most wanted so they probably started with the exact same textures. infact i bet there was a time in development where the carbon world had the mw menus 1:!
+Speedyheart in the video there is a part saying the in the ps2 there is a duplicate of gold valley run located in the same place as the unfinished canyon (a.k.a duplicate of lookout point) can you go there in the gold valley run duplicate on the ps2 demo by using hacks?
hello brother why are they doing in NFS Carbon why these crazy easter egg for you better and they made a game of ladies help ing as meaning all games to be with easter egg
OfficialSkippy I remember when I was a kid, one of the canyon's soundtracks scared the shit outta me. I think it's because the developers purposely put so the player doesn't know or even scared to see what It'll happen when the players screws up.
It's so strange the first version of the game the palmont is an island but the BMW is from Rockport and big river in west of Rockport is the East River in palmont that connects from sea
theoretically none of the big changes would even be in the beta version. big changes are always pre alpha. alpha = feature complete (but with bugs) and beta is usually extremely close to the final game but with alot less bugs and mostly finished assets .
Dude can we have the images you used in your video ? Especially the ones at 3:05 ... Oh and, last thing, the background video with the "x" everywhere from the loading screen, i can download it somewehere ... ? ^w^
The tv ad canyon could possibly be the unfinished canyon which also is a replica of lookout point but without scenery. I think the developers were planning to add the scenery from the tv add, but deleted it for unknown reasons.
well I have 2 theories about the nfsc lack of quality in the ps2 1st ps3 was expected to come out earlier than 2007 so the developers thought that instead of putting all the good graphics in ps2 they should put them to the ps3 so that they can show to the gamers that they can make next gen videogames and make more money 2nd the developers were limited by the ps2 system and they had to downgrade the game because ps2 is a 2000 console and pc's back then were much more superior than ps2 because the game was made from pc's that's why at promotional material we see a huge difference of quality
The mystery city map looks like gta 5 map the big mountain = mt chilliad Fortuna,kempton and downtown = los santos Silverton = sandy shores/grand senora desert
NFS Carbon = The most mysterious NFS game ever
This game haunts me. It's a combination of Ekstrak's music with all the mystery around the game. It's just so intriguing to me.
Kinda same here
Yeah well i actually knew about it before anyone did too. I was just doing random shit in the game and I found the canyons.
The white fog scared me as a child first discovering this glitch. i cried when i saw the white void.
+night_gamer Yeah. Well I was 6 when I found the glitch. I am 16 now.
night_gamer my friend comes too from Hungary (i live in Germany) and he just moved to Munich.
Same here.
I love how this guy is still keeping the need for speed investigations alive even after nfstheories shut down.
the site has a continuation: needforspeedtheories.boards.net/ .. although its only 1 or 2 people actually posting things anymore, everybody moved to discord
Speedyheart oh okay cool I'll check them out. I've seen some other of your carbon videos and just wanna say that your videos are the most helpful when it comes to visuals and info.
@@Speedyheart привет , ты ни знаешь как устоновить логотипы противниках в игре карбон
@@СанекКлименко-с7ъ он иностранец
That old beta map of Palmont City looks really good. From an wide perspective, it looks like a state. Sadly they scrapped it because of the Rival Crew system and hiding/cooldown spots.
Yeah. Even though there are a lot of spots from the map that exist in the final game, it seems like that extra area was supposed to be another part of the city or just a bigger canyon.
StewThePrestige (Its old ik) they rushed the maps becUse of impaient fans emailing them to release it
StewThePrestige
Except its not. Its not a state. its a fake mock up for PS2 demo needs. Its just made of bits of final palmont and has never been a map.
We found original concept and its identical to final Palmont in shape and design, just without final road layout.
@@Kacpa2 I was so dumb 6 years ago
6:50 different color headlights for each car, odd.
This game was my childhood lol,i remember playing only the first quick race all day cuz i had no clue how to select any other
The yellow barriers are possibly NFS MW barrier textures used as placeholders.
Man, I really liked San Juan, wish you could free roam there.
You can free roam there, do the outside of level glitch and follow his minimal of the whol map with canyons
J u a n the horse
@@pradhanasurya8004 Danyiayoo
The first few images of the portfolio work reminded me of a DS game.
Or like a toys r us ad from the 90s to be honest LOL
i found the beta territory parts, also while i was in the void some time ago i found cassino town minimap routes but the city doesnt exist only routes on the map, i will make a video on soon buts its pretty hard to find them because they are scatered all over the real map and i found about 50 textures of them,i got the images of the territories, the casino town and silverton are 2 diffrent places but based on the same map design, the one i found had similarities between canyon and silverton together please respond
p.s im trying to find again in the void i will try post the video in about 2-3weeks
3:28 That cut location actually exists in the final game it's the same
barely EA Games and EA Canada (i think) didnt know that the old version is better than the new... the new looked like a version for nerds, i dont have a problem with nerds but i have problem with the worst kind of nerds... just saying san juan looked better and the best thing that EA Can DO is recreate the map and missions/races that were supposed to be on the beta NFS CARBON, I'd Love to check the version that were supposed to be... anyway there will not be san juan again as i imagine but its ok to have fun playing nfs
Its very nice that cbr team put san juan into a drivable place and territory, which belongs to Assassins(or sal crew)
Great work Speedy :)
Is it possible to collect all this lost and unused textures to create a whole new Palmont city fully remastered? I've seen Dragozool make a remastered texture of Bayview for Underground 2 though. I just want Palmont city to be as it would be originally before the devs became complete buzzkills, with San Juan back on the map and an access to the canyons without an "out of level glitch".
I couldn't agree with your idea anymore. Genius! Also, where can I get this remastered version of Bayview?
...It is possible to acces canyons without the "out of level glitch" - download the ExtraOptions mod, put it in your 'scripts' folder, press left shift + 1-5 in game to save your current possition, so you can teleport to it whenever you want... you'll need to get to the canyon by the "out of level" glitch to save it, tho XD
the unfinished canyon in the final game was probably what they used to create the TV ad special canyon route, they probably added some scenery to it in the distance to make the San Juan looking city and then took it off once the ad was made and forgot to remove the road
The text moves so quick
What is the music 0:01
@@guilhermefaria8233 Ekstrak- Limited Slip
I think they should've connected San Juan to the rest of Palmont, first off, because it's detailed enough, and second, it would've expanded the extremely short career mode, even if only a little bit, I hope somebody does it someday
Well if the game was not rushed I suppose cops and canyons will be longer and we would had more than 4 main crews
@@yassinhafez1337 I feel canyons long enough lol
Though I'd like at least Lookout Point connected to Palmont, and the cops are fine, but it'd be better if they made a difference in Career
And main crews, I think we just need one more, to cover San Juan, I have a mod called improvement, hope they will connect San Juan and Lookout Point to Palmont someday lol
@@forests.9597 Yes I know but here me out some canyons if you play are very close to each other and they would have been freeroamable and their was a screenshot I'm the alpha of a Chrysler which looked very similar to the one in the fateful race so I guess there was more into it the only 2 canyons which are stand off are lookout point and the one where you race darius
@@forests.9597 But what is sad this game was made in propably 6 months and is much better than games created to this day
i think at the first time developers want to mix a new game between underground 2 and most wanted
Yep
This game Was supossed tô be underground 3
Sorry for bad english
Does anyone have a beta build of nfs carbon before the ps2 demo? And a build that has the cut map so we can see how it looked like?
I hate that the San Juan shortcut shown here is only ever used in the test drive in the final game
I have a footage about the Gas Station from a Games Convention 2006 video. I can send it to you in e-mail if you want. Maybe you find it useful :)
+jhj22 yeah sure email is kushweedganja@hotmail.com
:V (im being serious lol)
Speedyheart KK. BTW the footage made by the hungarian newspaper called Gamestar. I don't say, that footage is unique, but I remember that Gas Station from the video :)
jhj22 thanks. i look forward to getting it!
Speedyheart Expect it on tomorrow. I'm busy right now with converting it to properly good format. :/
jhj22 handbreak can convert thingss easily. just tick the web optimised box and the size is greatly reduced :p
+Speedyheart where did you get the screenshot from at 04:24?Can you make a video gameplay of the secret race in San Juan?
That's the race Salazar Street it's easy to recognize it.
I just realized none of the 3 maps matches the concept
wait the second THERES VOLCANO??
7:10 but the question it this that early volcano and casino??
7:23 the strip looks a lot bigger as well
+Devin Millar its just down to fov. its the exact same size and many details and models in the distance are the exact same
the canyon was same version?
More Carbon stuff, when?
6:46 Why does that Subaru have green headlights?
Maybe the Devs wanted to make changeable headlights
San juan- san= J U A N
Lofty height and journeyman's bane are the same road
Why was the concept map cut?
Don't you just wish Palmont city was a real place? I'd totally live there. But if Tri-City Bay was real that is most definitely where i'd live what about you guys? Either way this video was very good! This stuff is very interesting, may I ask how you found all this out?
I want to live in Fairhaven, it's such a beautiful city.
Me too :D But why do you dont like to live somewhere in Yosemite?(NFS The Run)
I wanted to live in Rockport, Gray Point is so cool!
+AussieGamer Style if you live in palmont where does all the food come from?
also this stuff has been found out over the life of NFST. i decided to put stuff together and make a video on everything to clear up confusion. i also added some of the best and well known beta images found for comparisons :p
TROY is a parody of a real-life place, somewhere in Atlanta I think.
At 05:38 that dam seems to be a road to the canyon. Any thoughts?
that area is in the final game wdym
it's palmont highway
Does anyone know the name of the dev who took these pics? We can try and contact them for beta info
i already did years ago lol
you are amazing
5:20 song name?
looks like in the beta nfs carbon the race events had same texture as in nfsmw
+sammycalizario1 well carbon was based off of the same engine as most wanted so they probably started with the exact same textures. infact i bet there was a time in development where the carbon world had the mw menus 1:!
i dont know if im right or not but the beta nfs carbon also had menu sounds from most wanted
sammycalizario1 probably did
+Speedyheart in the video there is a part saying the in the ps2 there is a duplicate of gold valley run located in the same place as the unfinished canyon (a.k.a duplicate of lookout point)
can you go there in the gold valley run duplicate on the ps2 demo by using hacks?
+sammycalizario1 it's just the minimap. but minimap textures are generated by the road splines. so it was there 100%
song name?
Excuse me but, what is the santafe city?
+Felipe Calderón santafe is the internal name of sanjuan. its also the real life name of the area it is based on
+Speedyheart Thx =)
San Juan is the in game name for it
Santa Fe is the name of the real life city it's based on in New Mexico.
juan :v
I've been to san juan 20 Times
hello brother why are they doing in NFS Carbon why these crazy easter egg for you better and they made a game of ladies help ing as meaning all games to be with easter egg
Cool
I THOUGHT SAN JUAN IS SAUDI ARABIA??? (childhood ruined)
+JapandrifterHD san juan is obviously not real and all a dream
+gangsta7501 it was a joke Lmao
Hi
+DJ Thanos hi
:3
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am i the only one who finds these videos kinda creepy?
Luis Chiscop Nope.
no
Luis Chiscop how is it creepy?
cuz this video has that creepy atmosphere and all those facts about the maps and early games are bit scary xd i dunno why but i feel like that too
OfficialSkippy I remember when I was a kid, one of the canyon's soundtracks scared the shit outta me. I think it's because the developers purposely put so the player doesn't know or even scared to see what It'll happen when the players screws up.
2:46 Where did you find that screenshot?
It's so strange the first version of the game the palmont is an island but the BMW is from Rockport and big river in west of Rockport is the East River in palmont that connects from sea
Who likes the Beta Version way more than the Final Version?
theoretically none of the big changes would even be in the beta version. big changes are always pre alpha. alpha = feature complete (but with bugs) and beta is usually extremely close to the final game but with alot less bugs and mostly finished assets .
Mystery city looks like the GTA 5's map the big unnamed mountain might be mount chilliad in GTA 5
NFSC came out in 2006 while GTA V came out in 2013 so nah
The beta screenshot in 6:48 has the best light effects of the cars.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but at 7:26, in the final game, isn't that where Darius's city race starts?
Maybe in the beta, you would race the four bosses in the city and canyon, and then there was a separate boss race for Darius that was triggered there.
+Car Is Life its the rival race start texture from nfsmw i think
Dude can we have the images you used in your video ?
Especially the ones at 3:05 ...
Oh and, last thing, the background video with the "x" everywhere from the loading screen, i can download it somewehere ... ? ^w^
The tv ad canyon could possibly be the unfinished canyon which also is a replica of lookout point but without scenery. I think the developers were planning to add the scenery from the tv add, but deleted it for unknown reasons.
The concept map is better
To be honest, EVERYTHING concept is better
6:10 its not journeyman's bane,its lookout point
In San Juan is missing gas station in final version 😢😢😢
well I have 2 theories about the nfsc lack of quality in the ps2
1st ps3 was expected to come out earlier than 2007 so the developers thought that instead of putting all the good graphics in ps2 they should put them to the ps3 so that they can show to the gamers that they can make next gen videogames and make more money
2nd the developers were limited by the ps2 system and they had to downgrade the game because ps2 is a 2000 console and pc's back then were much more superior than ps2 because the game was made from pc's that's why at promotional material we see a huge difference of quality
+Gta V or maybe its because the ps2 only has 32 MB RDRAM.
you cant really fit much in 32 mb
+Speedyheart that's what I mean they were limited by the ps2 system
The mystery city map looks like gta 5 map the big mountain = mt chilliad
Fortuna,kempton and downtown = los santos
Silverton = sandy shores/grand senora desert
Is that the Philippines because in the Philippines NCR San Juan is a place and where i studied
zamn
You should have a look at the nfs world map..
jezz nfs is more mysterieus than i tought
Especially Carbon
2:10 song name?
I cant fucking read that fast
yes... its an old video and it is slightly too fast.