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What if the Ottomans had a change of heart and became pacifist in Europa Universalis 4?
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One of my editors literally got conscripted so... Yeah this video was recorded a while ago. The Ryukyu WC I mention has already been completed, but now I'm doing Baltic Crusader on stream :)
I'm sorry for the wait on this, but I'm going to make sure I release a video/week from now on.
Before you comment about state privileges, please watch the video.
Some notes i would like to make: Nobility has the strong duchies edict, which gives +2 relations and reduces liberty desire. Absolutism isnt entirely waisted since it reduces diplo annexation cost and it is hard to get as passivist. Admin ideas gives a policy with influence to further decrease annaxation cost.
I was going crazy when he got to 4/4 and I realized he hadn't taken it lol
@@kinmersha It hurt me on a spiritual level
I might be dumb but isn't there also an nobility edict that gives you no dip rep - for 15% subject liberty desire
@@orange._.persik4006 He did use that near the end of the vid, so not worth mentioning since it doesn't add new info.
@@Vincrand oh okay i probably missed that
You could've totally expanded by threatening war, bluff your way to ottoblob
that doesn't sound very pacifist of you :(
@@Quarbit but still there is no war. pacifist aggresivism
@@Quarbit thats gunboat diplomacy for you
@@Quarbit "passive aggressive"
@@Quarbit p
Next on list:
Playing tall as germany in hoi4.
Tall HoI4, now that's disgusting. The waiting game up to WWII is already boring enough as is.
@@plebisMaximus i don't think so. Though not exactly thrilling, watching your economy get better might sometimes be exciting. And the waiting game being boring? It's definitely not, setting up for war is no less nice as the war itself. Also remember that you have the 1939 start date.
@@biharek7595 "economy" mmh yes civilian factory go build build
@@MyUsersDark believe it or not, but building civs just to be able to build more civs and faster seriously turns me on.
Perfect! I love it! Looking for episode 2
episode 2?!
@@Quarbit episode 2 when?
@@Quarbit yep. Tall Prussia in Vic2 ofc
@@Quarbit you could play as Ming, you can convert tributary to vassal in 1.33 th-cam.com/video/NIe3fZ8w9g0/w-d-xo.html
@@Quarbit xD
10:50 Ottoman history according to Turkish national education system
BTW the Ryukyu WC ended in hilarious fashion, but the Twitch is super active and fun to watch!
that seemed to work better than expected
You can disable the limitation for mixed idea groups (ie you can take 5 mil ideas without taking anything else) in game setup options. It does not disable achievements.
Wait... what???
Pretty sure it does disable achievements. Ironman and achievement compatible are different.
@@valrossenOliver It doesn't. I play exclusively with the option off, and I've been getting achievements no problem.
@@justiniani.4501 interesting. I know many "game options" (not options) disable achievements so weird that this one wouldn't...
@@valrossenOliver it is there for MP more than SP, though it also hurts the AI (so no like... 5 mil group prussia, or any other "mono-idea push")
this is actually pretty dope. weren't you gonna release iraq? or did something prevent that? either way, this was entertaining lol
yeah they lost their cores lol
@@Quarbit on purpose
@@Quarbit You can't release Iraq from a Kurdish province anyway.
I know I'm five months late, but this is so much easier to do as Ming when you can turn tributaries into vassals when you max out mandate reforms
recorded before that update
16:20 I'm not sold on taking the admin free policy. To even possibly gain any benefit from this you'd have to fill out 3 idea groups, you don't even unlock the 3rd till tech 10 in about 1530. Then maybe you fill out the idea group in 1535-1550, in this game you took the reform in 1495 that's a solid 40-50 years it did nothing. Not to mention at least 2 of the unlocked policies would have to be in the admin category.
On the other hand 10% advisor costs could've helped gain more points in all 3 categories by allowing you to afford higher tier advisors, especially when stacked with other sources of reduction such as the estate privileges.
Unless I'm missing something surely the third reform is the obvious choice?
Fun video anyway keep up the good work!
I guess it also depends on if you want to spend the reform points on swapping it later or not. I usually prefer not to, so I can get the max absolutism increase faster.
@@Quarbit but you will get max absolutism despite changing one reform
@@Quarbit
You can also just wait till you complete all reforms to swap to the administrative free policy - it's pretty unlikely you have 2 admin policies before you finish the reforms - especially when playing like you were, your autonomy is gonna be essentially 0 in all full cores, so you will be gaining really fast progress, so you should finish all reforms around 1580 or so, and easily have 20 years of progress to swap your reform later.
@@Quarbit I mean most of the time, unless I play ultrawide, I still finish the last goverment reform before the age of absolutism. Plus you can always switch after you picked your last Reform so it really doesn't matter. The early impact of -10 advisor cost and +10 production efficiency really helps out and the cost of 100 Goverment Reform progress is just nothing.
Tech 10 is 1518
7:00 If you have the diplo gain to do this, you can integrate multiple subjects at a time but you'll have to time them to finish at the same time. If they won't, just dev in them a little bit until they finish at the same time, or very close to it.
Nobility Integration Policy would've been very useful but I'm not sure if Ottomans get it
They do
They do, I’m using it now in my WC Ottoman campaign, it's super easy for the Ottomans to diplo vassalize many different nations.
@@brandonlyon730 Is it only available when you vassal?
14:25
@@Quarbit I dont have it. I have all dlc's
who knew that Mehmed the Conqueror would actually be known as Mehmed the Diplomat
fr
You want to keep Knights as a vassal, if you annex them they just get another province from Naples and you're back to square one.
I really like playing tall. You have a massive power condensed in small areas and easy to manage empire. Honestly this build would be best for a colonial ottomans game.
Continue this series, it's great
@Quarbit Gaming
I do this exact strategy but also fullfilling Ottoman Questline. Kinda vassalized India with Influence ideas, Africa and Arabian Peninsula and eat it without AE while having borders next to Austria around 1550s.
What I like to do is upgrade Adana and put it and the other provinces of the Area in a Trade company. With one of the TC upgrades you can get a free merchant out of it, much more valuable than stating it!
“The pen is mighty than the sword”
*aight bet*
There's one other easy positive opinion modifier you can get when trying to vassalise, based on the list with Ramazan- you can use Transfer Trade Power, with max opinion boost at transfer 50% trade power. Diplomatic TTP doesn't give you a casus belli if they break it, but it's free money (with the only cost being not being able to declare war on somebody transferring to you, with zero truces for breaking it), so it's usually worth it. Steer Trade is only really useful if you've got a trade-strong nation that's going off-course from your trade network.
That's one of the ones I mention 3:23
You can also add scornfull insults to their rivals for 25+ boost in opinions to the list.
Man, this looks like soooo much fun, I NEED to try this!
don't, biggest mistake of my life
Georgia was a stateless society, they lost Georgia proper and decided to give up on government entirely
I'm trying to imagine what's going through the byzantines' heads as the decades go on. They'd think it was some kind of sick joke
Not taking the noble integration policy in this run was a very strange decision
He did
This really just went too well. I wonder how well this would sprout into a wc into absolutism.
No way you will get wc, how will you break up spain/france..?
Or china, japan india etc. Anything above 100 dev cant be diplo vassalizes
@@alexanderlipowsky6055 You'd need to make personal unions, but for that you'd have to convert to Christianity.
@@azh698 Eww christianity... lol
@@alexanderlipowsky6055 Play Coptic Ottomans for something cursed.
First time experiencing Innovativeness eh? It's a powerful drug.
I never seen playing Ottoman like this, I kinda like it
Suggestion for making it [more] fun:
Allow wars, but you may only ever take one non-core province per peace deal. Additionally, you must "fabricate a claim" IRL if you do aim to take a province.
You may always return cores, release nations, dismantle the HRE and so forth. You may not militarily vassalize anyone.
I assume Bohemia can tagswitch to Austria? If so, that might work. Influence+Admin for 45% DAR, papal legate for 10%, Bohemian Commonwealth for 15%, Austrian ideas for 15%, Noble integration for 5= 45+10+15+15+5=90% DAR. Would make parliament of interest to cap DAR.
Up to you whether you allow the hungary+poland PUs or have to do it the hard way.
the vassalization acceptance takes into account whether you have their cores, but not your vassals. feeding candars cores to trebizond would have been a way to vassalize them faster
You can give an edict to the nobility that raises liberty desire but completely removes the -3 diplo rep upon annexation. Very useful for runs like the Shogun, or this one
He uses it
This is so fucking funny. The fact that Byzantium and Karaman just straight up exist for another 100 years is so awesome, and the countries that get super strong because you just sit there and not block their expansion (Poland and Russia)
Well there's also another peaceful way of expanding. Peaceful colonization.
peace is not an option in 1.33
That economic negative modifier when trying to ally or vassalize a smaller country than you is pure bs. Like in this instance, how does it make sense any other smaller country thinks it has a better economy than their giant neighbour that has way way more dev than them ?
They neighbour only has fish and they have oil?
This is very easy as Great Britain, done it a few times - yes, I'm unemployed.
Only problem is Hugh O'Neill's rebellion can sometimes fire and if you don't fight that you'd lose Ireland. With the Wars of the Roses you just let them win.
this campaign would make more sense with ming, considering you can turn your tributaries into vassals.
it was recorded before that update
Most of my campaigns are kinda like this, and the worst is that being pacifist is even not by a bit my goal
Honestly this seems chill as hell. You should of done Parliament cause you basically formed the Ottoman Federation lol
you can give provinces with core of tag you want to vassalize to someone else besides the future to be vassal, like one of your other vassals
As a native Turk I should say, your pronunciation at 10:30 was on point.
3:12 Did you forget the +15 from Offer Subsidies?
Watching later, looks like you didn’t
That's it. My soul embraced absolute peace
This might actually be a faster expansion route vs conquest because you don't need to wait for the ae to tick down
I would have to strongly disagree. A mix of the two, maybe.
AE is just a number, especially as the ottomans
18:04. why is Georgia a stateless society
I wish I knew
27:25 why havent you annexed karaman yet?
Naxos doesn't have a core in your province so you could help them win the war against Byzantium by giving them money and vassalize them.
An absolute brain anyurisms of tanralism to watch ! Gotta love it 😂
It's my first time watching Nicolas Cage play eu4
i'm honestly surprised you didn't get Humanist Ideas for this challenge, figured it would help a lot
lmao
@@Quarbit am i wrong? lol
@@thatponybro6940Oh I thought you were joking. I didn't conquer anything, so I had no unrest + based dhimmi.
Only some unrest revoking autonomy but not much
@@Quarbit i figured since you were prolly getting like Orthodox and Catholic vassals, that Humanist Ideas would help with the whole religious difference thing, i'm by no means an EU4 expect as all of my knowledge comes from people like you and Chewy, and my occasional trip to the wiki
@@thatponybro6940 I see. The dhimmi have privileges that fix religious unity and tolerance
I feel like this challenge would be really interesting as a Christian nation because of personal unions
It's sad for me to see you be so unhappy doing what you're doing. For the sake of your life, please try and enjoy it more. I've lost a friend recently and I really wouldn't like you to share a similar fate. Life can be beautiful, it's only our attitude and actions that make it hard to enjoy. I really hope you're able to find inner joy within you after some changes to your life. You're pefect as you are now. Don't make it so hard for yourself.
Theres a better way to do this, Austria where you only war for enforce PU, return core, release, nation, imperial ban, and expand empire
This video was amazing!
13:20 "These guys are hopeless"
As a Hungarian I feel the same after our previous election
You can take over like half the world as ashikaga with no war
Honestly I would like to see you finish this until 1820,you can still release Iraq :)
I checked, and I could not
For Ming or Mameluks it might be pretty good option. At least u would have some colonization going on. Still boring but gives some progres while all the waiting,
Where can I find the Ryukyu World Conquest stream? I can only find like a few clips of it on your twitch.
Same thing with Hungary?
Anyone tried already?
Tall isn't boring. Just make some marches. Have fun propping up certain nations that never get a proper chance.
Hey, if you don't mind, do you have any tips.for Genoa? I found it hard Castile, France and Naples always allied with each others.
the ending was the best XD
I’m sure you could’ve threatened war to get provinces, it’s technically not going to war
that's not very peaceful though
Why are the Ottomans the big "bad" guys? I guess it is a meme about biases.
ottomans have OP national ideas, a strong start, the best early game units, and virtually no regional competitors. They also hold a strong trade node and usually take quantity, making them almost unstoppable in the late game for average players
@@Quarbit I guess that's why they are like the final boss, but calling them bad doesn't sit well with me.
The 'bad' is from the perspective of when you play as any of its neighbours and need to consider the Ottoman threat when planning your game.
I think you're taking it too much to heart.
I think if you change your relationship stance to hostile your vassal shouldnt give them acces :)
I never considered that. Interesting, however I was allied with them
i said to social streamers ages ago if he could do a challenge where he can only expand thru diplomacy or if people attack him.. he can only gain land from helping allies in wars or peaceful diplomacy or when attacked... so u could never have an army save money - go full economy getting rich cos ud never spend money on military until war came & then u use mercenaries..
Well, I think Laith is the wrong person to ask to expand peacefully. He often starts the most insane wars and gets himself into a coalition regularly... But it works for him and that's why I love his playstyle.
@@whaleofdarkness they need to make the game better for doing things in a peaceful way.. more useful options to win economically.. or maybe stealing stuff with spies... destroying enemies buildings or something... economic strangulation thing is the game is a bit boring if not warring... if they made more things to do whilst not at war, we wouldnt just be playing the same way all the time.. trying to conquer the world gets tiresome after a while... there should be more goals to work towards... just like civ with space race, or conquer world or other types of victory.. also they seriously need to improve rebel stuff cos i find dealing with them a tedious chore.. is there a mod to make it better? you just cant find the provinces they will spawn in when a big nation with those tiny pink lines why cant they make a button that moves the map to where the rebels will spawn so i dont have to keep typing the province name? ive rarely gotten past 1650 cos i get bored with dealing with them.. it becomes like a boring job that im not even getting paid to do
@@tigrecito48 Yeah, absolutely. The problem isn't that playing tall is all that bad, the problem is that playing tall is really boring.
The version I am playing doesn't let me peacefully vassalize anyone who is from a different religion. When did this change?
just booted up a game as ottomans, vassalized albania and epirus by 1448.
version 1.37.2, it is working the same as always
You maybe couldve funneled a nation at war with byz so much gold and supported rebells in byzantium at the same time so that they win and therefore vassalize the holder of constantinople xD
I like this video because your voice is very soothing
well, it's a very original way to play the game at least
Magnificent. A true genius
Awesome different ways to play. heheheheh.No stress. No rebels.lol
Kamata? What's Kamata?
Is it bad that this is (almost) how I usually play?
i guess threaten war isn really in line with being a pacifist but you would not go to war..
All bark and no bite strategy lol
Ah yes, perfectly intended gameplay
Tbh.. this could be improved by a bit, and the comments i read said everything i could think of. So... when Part 2? This Video was quite relaxing to watch. I dont care if you are going insane. ;p
The Mamluks would have been WAY better for this idea.
24:45 when you’re annexing Morea Serbia is not annexed yet, but you annexed them earlier in the video. Video editing error?
Ok yea I see the year jumped back to 1535 from 1550
How did you get AI to return core province? I cant find the button anywhere
can we please get the fucking 50k subs i want that rome video
why not just reduce de dev of the province you are about to give to your potential next vassal?
How about colonizing?
Thanks man. I won't try it.
Worse than I ever could have imagined
good :)
now do it with ulm
why dont you make a quick math and annex vassals same time so you dont need to wait for 5 years
rare tax reform
Hunting pirates doesn't sound very pacifist of you
we don't kill them, just give them a stern talking to
What about threaten war interaction tho? It isn't like you are declaring a war or anything...
doesn't sound very pacifist of you
Why didn't you use the privilege that disables the diplo rep penalty?.
Oh
You forgot to release iraq like you said
sometimes it be like that
Why would you go for eco ideas when adm will give you 20% annexation reduction?
more points spent on developing than integrating
That's not the way you playing the ottomans
it's the better way
shouldve played a christian, just PU as much as possible
I dont know who is more bored. You or us watching :D
me. this video took 9 hours to record.
@@Quarbit sorry to hear that. Thank you for the nice content anyway :)
its historical actually
strong duchies ffs