@@watchartsci my attempt at a joke did not work. Not meant to make you upset. A hulk is the previous generation with green bezel and green dial with a 40mm maxi case. The Kermit was the generation before that with the aluminum bezel. I have heard the model shown referred to as the cermit or Starbucks. It's all silly names to begin with
Comparing the resale value of a Rolex to other watches may not be realistic due to the significant price difference. For the price of one Submariner, you could acquire four watches of similar quality from other brands, or alternatively, you could opt for a timepiece of considerably higher quality from brands like Moser, Lyrique, Parmigiani, etc., for the equivalent cost.
Seba, the resale price (values remain constant) was only part of the point. The comparison was in terms of what you could get for roughly the same price (MSRP) in terms of "divers." The UL looked like a good match, but of course the resale price is wholly different from that of the Rolex culture, where buying used makes little sense to me because the price for a new one is the same or less than a used one. Take care, Bill
Olli, I can't believe that Breitling is that popular altogether, but it is. Had to compare GMT to GMT ... does that make more sense now? Take care, Bill
Favourite watch channel, and I look at many of the available ones. Not selling anthing is a good start. Just for the love of it. Thanks WatchartSci for all the great videos. Live long and prosper.
Hi Bill, the Sub you showed is not a “Hulk”. The Submariner you showed, its nickname is a “Cermit”. The Submariner “Hulk” which is discontinued has a green dial and bezel. There is also a Submariner “Kermit” that has also a green bezel, but an aluminum one, the “Cermit” has a ceramic bezel.
I don't know Obud. I compared the Hulk and Kermit, and the Kermit seemed to have a thinner bezel. I'm not a Rolex guy, as you know, but whatever they call that green-bezel Sub... I like it. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci The Kermit has a thin aluminum bezel, while the “Cermit” has a ceramic Cerachrome bezel, also called “ceramic Kermit”. The “Hulk” reference 116610LV has a Cerachrome bezel and a green dial. The “Cermit has also the new 41MM case, and thinner lugs.
Hi Paul, I'd be very interested in hearing your experience with the 7 Seas! Also, if you're getting a Tutima in Germany, will you be returning to the U.S. or elsewhere-can you shed the 25% VA!? Take care, Bill
I'm all about alternative brands. Tutima is a great flieger watch. I bought a Marathon JSAR dive watch, Pequignet Royale Origine dress watch, and a Bucherer Compax Annual Chronograph. I feel safer flying under the radar.
It's a very interesting watch, Tuna, in that thin dress watches generally aren't automatics; however, my Van Cleef & Arpels Pierre Arpels Heure d'Ici & Heure d'Ailleurs is the same ... thin, dress watch with a micro-rotor. Love it! Take care, Bill
@@localheroEd Swatch bought Blancpain in 1992 and started putting in silicon after 2008. In a recent ad, Blancpain was proud of the fact that all of their watches now have silicon hairsprings.😥
@@watchartsci proud isn’t the word I’d use, but my watch has decided to switch from running slow to fast which might be a result of magnets. There’s better ways than silicon though.
Hi Bill, I thought you’d take something from Ulysse Nardin’s Diver line, but the Marine isn’t bad either. In fact, the Torpilleur is a dream watch of mine. 🙂
I know Gilberto...I just like the Marine line more than the UN Diver line. The divers may have been a closer comparison, but I doubt either watches do much real diving. Take care, Bill
There are some nice LACOs that would substitute for IWC pilot watches, using the same dial annotation. Okay Japanese mechanical movement, but fine for a TOOL watch.
For the Speedmaster there are plenty of used ones at a better price using the 1861 or 861 movements, sans silicon. Great watches! Lots of manual Chrono alternatives out there. Chronograph fan here, such an interesting complication imo.
@@Lexcoaster I’ve always viewed Explorer (1 & 2) as travel watches, for adventures that don’t require a special kit. If your hand and therefore watch are due to be in contact with rocks where a gshock!
Rolex nerd: that's not a hulk. That's a Starbucks
Okay Chong, why is it not a 'Hulk' or a 'Kermit?' Why is it a 'Starbucks?' I just like the green bezel. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci my attempt at a joke did not work. Not meant to make you upset. A hulk is the previous generation with green bezel and green dial with a 40mm maxi case. The Kermit was the generation before that with the aluminum bezel. I have heard the model shown referred to as the cermit or Starbucks. It's all silly names to begin with
@@jchong416 Not upset ... with the nick-names they have for Rolexes, Starbucks makes perfect sense. Take care, Bill
Comparing the resale value of a Rolex to other watches may not be realistic due to the significant price difference. For the price of one Submariner, you could acquire four watches of similar quality from other brands, or alternatively, you could opt for a timepiece of considerably higher quality from brands like Moser, Lyrique, Parmigiani, etc., for the equivalent cost.
Seba, the resale price (values remain constant) was only part of the point. The comparison was in terms of what you could get for roughly the same price (MSRP) in terms of "divers." The UL looked like a good match, but of course the resale price is wholly different from that of the Rolex culture, where buying used makes little sense to me because the price for a new one is the same or less than a used one. Take care, Bill
I can't believe that that specific Breitling is popular. ^^
It isn’t, only the Navitimer chronograph is popular, mostly in Germany! Germany is a Breitling country, I don’t know why.
Olli, I can't believe that Breitling is that popular altogether, but it is. Had to compare GMT to GMT ... does that make more sense now? Take care, Bill
I love the Navitimer, but my poison on choice is the Sinn 903 St II.
@@watchartsci sure Bill. It would have been dull to look only at Rolex watches.
@@ollik8192 ...couldn't agree more!
Great alternatives Bill, I think the Hanhart would be my choice to compare to the Omega :)
Definitely the Hanhart, Abdul. The Laco may be another. Take care, Bill
Stowa or Laco for the flieger or big pilot Both original manufacturers
Yes Bobbe! Laco would be another good choice. Take care, Bill
Favourite watch channel, and I look at many of the available ones. Not selling anthing is a good start. Just for the love of it. Thanks WatchartSci for all the great videos. Live long and prosper.
Thanks Duncan! 🖖 Take care, Bill
I quartz dive watch is by far more shock resistant than a mechanical one.
That's interesting Edyatzi. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, the Sub you showed is not a “Hulk”. The Submariner you showed, its nickname is a “Cermit”. The Submariner “Hulk” which is discontinued has a green dial and bezel. There is also a Submariner “Kermit” that has also a green bezel, but an aluminum one, the “Cermit” has a ceramic bezel.
He doesn’t care and neither do I. Not worth wasting the brain power on such a run of the mill timepiece.
@@MelontheyoutuberLol brain power?? Ok then. He wasn’t correct, so the OP politely corrected him. Why are you that bent out of shape? Relax.
I haven't heard "Cermit" before. I have heard of similar colorways being called "Starbucks". Silly names, all of them.
I don't know Obud. I compared the Hulk and Kermit, and the Kermit seemed to have a thinner bezel. I'm not a Rolex guy, as you know, but whatever they call that green-bezel Sub... I like it. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci The Kermit has a thin aluminum bezel, while the “Cermit” has a ceramic Cerachrome bezel, also called “ceramic Kermit”. The “Hulk” reference 116610LV has a Cerachrome bezel and a green dial. The “Cermit has also the new 41MM case, and thinner lugs.
Going to Europe in a few weeks and have my eye on a Tutima Seven Seas. Great build quality on the Tutimas I’ve handled so far.
Hi Paul, I'd be very interested in hearing your experience with the 7 Seas! Also, if you're getting a Tutima in Germany, will you be returning to the U.S. or elsewhere-can you shed the 25% VA!? Take care, Bill
I'm all about alternative brands. Tutima is a great flieger watch. I bought a Marathon JSAR dive watch, Pequignet Royale Origine dress watch, and a Bucherer Compax Annual Chronograph. I feel safer flying under the radar.
The view from the back of the herd never changes, David. Glad to hear from a man who can make up his own mind! Take care, Bill
Given the choice of premium dress watches Bill, I would be more than happy with a Piaget Antiplano.
It's a very interesting watch, Tuna, in that thin dress watches generally aren't automatics; however, my Van Cleef & Arpels Pierre Arpels Heure d'Ici & Heure d'Ailleurs is the same ... thin, dress watch with a micro-rotor. Love it! Take care, Bill
Hey Bill, good selection as always. Calatrava has plenty of alternatives, Blancpain Villeret for me. All the best, Ed
The Villeret is a hidden beauty, Ed ... but you know it's a Swatch silicon-stuffed movement now. It once boasted an FP movement... Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci it’d be interesting to know when they went silicon. I think I’ll be safe as I’m usually looking at models from the 90’s. Regards, Ed
@@localheroEd Swatch bought Blancpain in 1992 and started putting in silicon after 2008. In a recent ad, Blancpain was proud of the fact that all of their watches now have silicon hairsprings.😥
@@watchartsci proud isn’t the word I’d use, but my watch has decided to switch from running slow to fast which might be a result of magnets. There’s better ways than silicon though.
Thanks for another informative show Bill.
The pleasure is mine Don! Take care, Bill
You are more favorite and most calming watch channel
Thank you young-looking Dorian! Perhaps I should tout my channel as a cure for insomnia! Take care, Bill
That H. Moser Heritage Dual Time is 19,900 CHF, and worth every penny! Love that one!
Me too Skwerl! I like the Heritage style, that color and the Moser movements. Take care, Bill
Hi Bill, I thought you’d take something from Ulysse Nardin’s Diver line, but the Marine isn’t bad either. In fact, the Torpilleur is a dream watch of mine. 🙂
I know Gilberto...I just like the Marine line more than the UN Diver line. The divers may have been a closer comparison, but I doubt either watches do much real diving. Take care, Bill
Piaget Polo best value. Enjoyed the stream Bill. Thank you 🥃
Same here about the Polo...sort of a calm version of the Aquanaut. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsciyes! Though the Piaget polo actually round and is a better value. Plus no silicon hairspring Bill ! 🏌🏽♂️🥃
There are some nice LACOs that would substitute for IWC pilot watches, using the same dial annotation. Okay Japanese mechanical movement, but fine for a TOOL watch.
I very much agree with that, Light. I've always liked Laco watches. Take care, Bill
My clatrava substitute is PF tonda 1950
Definitely, Ali! Take care, Bill
As always, excellent picks Dr.!
Hey Haaaaaaa! Veeeeee! Thanks man! Take care, Bill
I love your show, I always learn something- thank you! 🙏
Absolutely my pleasure Tim! Take care, Bill
Hi Bill
Thank you, always informative and educational.
Hey MB, glad you liked it man! Take care, Bill
For the Speedmaster there are plenty of used ones at a better price using the 1861 or 861 movements, sans silicon. Great watches! Lots of manual Chrono alternatives out there. Chronograph fan here, such an interesting complication imo.
Great tip Smoko! Thanks. Take care, Bill
I don´t think the Marine Torpilleur by UN is a dive watch since the hands aren't lumed, which is necessary of you're going under water. 🙂
Fair point, although there is a marine diver with lots of lume and you’re likely not buying a Sub for actual diving.
@@localheroEd Yes. Neither is anyone likely to wear an Explorer 2 when spelunking.
Lex, the Torpilleur is a guaranteed 'Desk Diver' like the Submariner. Beside, 'Torpilleur' is more fun to say than 'Diver.' Take care, Bill
@@Lexcoaster I’ve always viewed Explorer (1 & 2) as travel watches, for adventures that don’t require a special kit. If your hand and therefore watch are due to be in contact with rocks where a gshock!