As someone who knows nothing about cars, watching this video was absolutely fascinating. Watching Chris's brain working is a sight to behold. Much preferred this video to a changing brakes/sanding ready for paint video personally. Thanks, gents x
3:52 Chris is a wise man speaking very wise words. Extended service intervals are one of the biggest mistakes modern manufacturers have made. Interesting that Toyota have stuck with 10k/1 year across their range.
Got to love a cliffhanger! Will Josh be able to time it up with his special tool? Will it start? Have Rob and Chris got lucky? Find out very very soon, in the next one!
I love Chris's comment at the end, "...and that way you don't break his tool". Absolutely agree with that. Josh has also given his advice, so let him earn a few £ and everyone is happy.
Had a 2016 3 door Evoque as a company car. Mine was a 2 litre manual. Was a nice drive, but had plenty of dashboard lights on and off during its 3 years and 60000 miles. Great video chaps👍
Not having any experience of these engines, I reckon your diagnosis is spot on. The bolt should hold the sprocket against the camshaft, the bolt's come loose, transferring the load to the locating pin which has then sheared. The camshaft has then stopped turning but as the engine is cranked one piston is striking the open inlet valves which push the cam lobes out of the way. Another piston then strikes its inlet valves and they push the cam lobes, rotating the camshaft out of the way. I suspect either pistons 1 & 4 or pistons 2 & 3 are 'rocking' the camshaft backwards and forwards, through a relatively narrow arc and this is the rattle you're hearing under cranking. If you're lucky, it won't have bent any valves (or done any real damage to the piston crowns). So I agree, once it's properly reassembled you might well have a running, undamaged engine. At worst I reckon it could only need a couple of new valves. Good luck!
Hi Chris/Rob, Id change the inlet camshaft and have the fella time the engine up on the new cam. If the lobes have moved due to the pistons giving the valves a tickle. Then you will not be able to get the engine to run.. Cracking Good Vid as Always...Andy
Fingers crossed for you guys Love the channel!! We’ve just finished our first Copart cat S car and what a lot of fun that was thanks for the inspiration Rob and Chris
Love how you both methodically work through it, brain storming through the possibilities to determine fault, without known fault issue but a little telephone advice to solve the issue, a little bit of luck coming your way!
I'm on my 2nd evoque, love it to bits , first was 2012 but I didn't want the 2.0 ingenium engine ( warned against it buy my landrover guy )so I got in just as they were running out the 2015 dynamics at a discount ( never heard of before) original body shape but loaded with all the extras and the tried and tested 2.2 Peugeot/Ford diesel ( thrashed to death in many a transit van and still goes on and on) but this was the best bit , they ran out of 6speed auto boxes so fitted the new 9speed auto box ! So smooth and my economy 43/gallon. Love it . Just a quick tip for fun....engage sand setting, sport mode, manual paddle shift, traction off then hit the gas at the lights and watch the children still at the lights in the rear view mirror. Pretty good for a fuddyduddy diesel. Oh hang on to the wheel and don't do it for long periods ........
I really like having an in depth forensic session! That's where the real knowledge and experience shows👍 Subbing out the timing to Josh is also a good move as you explained! Hope this one works out for you👍 That sprocket bolt is probably going to need a good tightening up? A bit like the crank pulley on my 1.8 tdci Mondeo, no woodruff key, just 100nm then a 180 turn, otherwise known as "Kin Tight"!
Chris is not just a master at body and mechanical repairs, but is also extremely talented at analysis and deduction. I found this very interesting as you continue through this mystery. Thank you.
It's puzzling that Land Rover didn't fit the cam bolts with locking washers to prevent them coming undone. I'm a retired mechenic and I've rarely, if ever, seen a cam end bolt fitted without some kind of locking device. A tab washer, serrated locking washer, or some other device. This is shockingly bad engineering!
The cam sprocket is rotated counter clockwise and therefore risks undoing the retaining bolt with its right hand thread. Once the drive chain from the crank wears it provides continuous ‘kicks’ via the intermediate sprocket to the top timing chain that acts to loosen the bolt and snap the location dowel on the cam sprocket. The only sure way to have circumvented this would have been to use a retaining bolt with left hand thread and a woodruff key between cam and sprocket, basically common sense engineering.
Hello Rob and Chris, great video and I have to say excellent film quality. Good shout on getting help. Thanks for taking the time to upload another video. Ged
A quick look in the cylinders with a borescope would soon show any damage to piston tops and/or valves. They are quite cheap now and there are also devices which plug into you phone which are even cheaper.
Mine's just gone. 69k miles on the clock. 7k since last service. Discovery Sport 2.0 ingenium... every JLR specialist i've spoken to say the engine is criminal. Selling in current state to a loss of £11k. Live and learn.
Totally agree with service intervals. It used to be so many thousand miles or so many months whichever came first. I apprenticed in a small workshop like yours and loved the regular trade of servicing anything from Austin A30's and Ford Anglia's to XJ6's and various eras of Rover 3.5 v8's. Should have stayed in the trade but programming computers was incredibly exciting and lucrative in the early eighties.
I’m no mechanic and yet I’m fascinated by your skills and more, your thought processes. I watch and wish I had a brain like yours. Hats off to you gents! 👏👏👏
My brother owned an Austin Metro over 30 years ago and it was a very problematic vehicle, it broke down a lot and parts were very expensive. British vehicles have a bad reputation not always deserved, I know a happy owner of a 2012 Land Rover Freelander and he is delighted with it, you should not always get carried away by the reputation of a manufacturer, I also know another owner of an Audi A5 who had countless problems with the car just bought at an official dealer, I think it's a matter of good or bad luck. Greetings from Spain, thanks for entertaining us with your work, it's great.
Cause: The pin on the camshaft sprocket has broken. See attached file for an example. Action: The issue has been fixed in production at the following VINs: • Freelander 2 / LR2 - 375956 • Evoque - 840665 A new part number is available: LR050849. These parts have a new pin material and machining changes to the camshaft sprocket body.
Great as always guys, but you’re going to have to get the second mic sorted as still missing a lot of what Chris says…….love the videos and keep ‘em coming
That's another reason why I keep watching this channel. Neither of you are scared to admit that you know what it is that you don't know and are always happy to take advice. Great video and well done lads. We will just have to wait to see what happens.👍
Amazing to me how Land Rover stay in business..... every one I've seen for sale has issues with this or problems with that, don't think I'll ever have the minerals to gamble my hard earned away on one....as nice as they are. Keep it up brave boys!
I've known a few folks with Freelanders, Evoques and these Sports and not one person has been complimentary about them as they have been constant garage lurkers.
I had a '98 Discovery Aviemore diesel in BRG. The five cylinder engine was strong, reliable and economical. It was used to haul a family of five and a caravan around Europe and never missed a beat. It is the car that I have the most fond memories of. Wish I'd kept it but hindsight is a wonderful thing!
I'd really like to see a quick 5-10 minute video explaining your backgrounds. You seem to both have a vast well of knowledge! Might be interesting for others as well. I've been watching the channel for a couple years now and always wondered where you got the skills to do all this stuff! :)
funny, chis voiced my thoughts about this, if the bolt had worked lose, then the pin snapped at start up because it was the only thing holding the sprocket in place, then the cam would be free to rotate when pushed by the followers.......... so fingers crossed..........there may be no other damage ??.......... good luck ! 👍😃
Land Rover, like Rover before them to be fair, make a great product, it's just the quality control is terrible. I was once talking to an auto electrician who worked full time at JLR snagging cars. The main fault he dealt with was self tappers through wiring looms. So yeah, that loose bolt doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Classic comment .... " Drives lovely when there going " .... Fantastic. Must be a bad sign when you praise a vehicle's reliability in month's , and at best, nearly two years.... In the ten years I had my old 1997 Toyota Rav 4 it broke down once, when the water pump collapsed and jammed the belt, but being a non interference engine it was soon back on the road, and it was that straight forward I put a new pump and belt on myself.
Good stuff gents. I’m always amazed at Chris’s knowledge and skill. A bit of a puzzler, but it’s interesting to see both of you going thru the investigation and discussing the various options. Nice video again boys.
Time was when the worst you would expect of a land Rover were a few oil leaks. Now with engines built down to a price you cant risk owning one outside of warranty unless you are feeling lucky! What a sad state of affairs!
Hi guys, it's great to see you cracking on with the engine diagnosis on this range rover Evoque. I don't have I don't have a scooby what you are on about with valves up and down opening and closed but
The first brand new car I ever owned was a facelift range rover vogue 'L' reg 1994. I have to be honest and say it spent most of its first 12months back with Landrover having repairs. There wasn't one part that wasn't touched by some fault or other, and can understand the comments by others that probably have suffered the same fate. However, the next six years were relatively trouble free motoring. Interesting to watch about these latest models, and love Chris's new purchase.
Really enjoyed the video , I love listening to Chris talking his way through all the possibility scenarios as to what might of happened. Really hope you guys get lucky with this one.
There’s a saying in Australia: “if you want to drive into the bush, take a Land Rover. If you want to be able to drive out of the bush, take a Toyota Land Cruiser!”
@@darrenwilson8042 we have three landcruisers , one has 400,000 miles on it , it starts on half a turn and is a daily driver , 3.5 ton on the hook and you don’t know it’s there ..it is the finest 4x4 ever built ..
Very true. Of course the vehicle in the video is a Range Rover and apart from the Darien Gap expedition is probably best left in Chelsea or Wilmslow. As always chaps, a superb video.
Kia having massive issues at min with Sportage models, just at our site we have 20 customers 2022 cars recovered in as non runners and trashed engines! There are dozens more at many other dealers up and down the country!
I think what I like the most about your channel is how in sync you two seem to be, you are more like Brothers than workmates. Good luck guys...Great channel!
Hollow Cams with press on lobes becoming common place on some engines now. Some see them as a sort of 'sacrificial anode' in that the lobe movement stops heavy damage elsewhere. Not always the case but certainly in most cases. You guys mentioned the Berlingo with press on lobes. This is a common fault when the belt goes or water pump seizes. At least two lobes will have moved out of position. I'm also aware of slight lobe movement on higher mileage Berlingo models (80 - 100 thousand miles) resulting in poor performance. New set of cams and it's back to full power. Most people prefer replacing with a steel cam where possible.
Cheers Rob & Chris I am a devoted Land Rover fan BUT now I will never buy a Range Rover sport. I think I will stick to a Disco lol. I hope the Landy survives and lives to drive another day after timing. Just love listening to Chris explaining why the engine failed and the plan with the welding rods was fantastic. Thanks again for a very informative video Rob & Chris. Tom
I know a fella who has done more that 10 of these and the main problem is the upper timing chains stretches and puts the cam out of sync leading to your problem
@@zvzz1543 Between 41,000 and 61,000. However, 2 of them to mates who went on to run both to more than 100,000 miles. The only issue was a recall for a fuel rail o ring on 2 of them. I do hear horror stories from other people though so don’t doubt when they go wrong it’s painful on the credit card. I
Thanks for the update, hopefully it's just a few parts and away it goes. If that was me working on that now you know whats happened I'd put an inspection camera down the plug holes and see if there are any marks on the piston tops where the valves hit and you should be able to figure out the cam lobes moving, and put a new cam in before it goes anywhere to be timed if nothing else is wrong it's got to have that anyway by the sounds of it. If somebodys saying 20 engines chances are it's right over a big enough dealership, i could find 20 Dodges or fords with the known engine problems within 3 hours of here in classified adds. I also know this spring John Deere had 252 machines needing new computers that were back ordered with no confirmed shipping date. My customer was number 252 and they told him that right from the dealership, I was listening in on the call with the guy when they told him his tractor was a 180k lawn ornament for a while without it. Take care guys.
When you turned it over, the cam didn't move. So i think the lobes have moved to a position where all valves can be closed. If it was rocking backwards and forwards like Chris said, you should have seen it do that when you cranked it.
I find amazing that they don’t build these modern cars without solid camshafts. What is the reason to have a tube and separate lobes. Is it for cheapness? Or another reason ? Opinions please, seems a recipe for failure. What other modern cars are like this ?
So you have a Range Rover with a blown engine and a Reliant Ant which needs a body.... Here comes the RAnt Rover! Rangeys have never been as reliable as people somehow think they should be. A bloke called Toyoda recognised this but I don't know what happened to him.
Interesting. Now the head is off it is worth changing the cam anyway, any lobe movement could be really minor and just leave a weak valve seal after rebuild?
Jaguar/land Rover products look like nothing else on the road and have more presence(ts) than Santa. They just need to bring reliability up a cog (pardon the pun) and they will have the market cornered.
Another Great Video Gents - I like these ones…….the mechanical interrogation work…….an the electrical ones too……as well as all the body work….. They’re all good news basically…… Still my favourite tele…….👍
The 2.2 TDi engine is the only reliable Jaguar diesel engine. Stay away from the 2.0ltr, the 2,7 and 3.0 ltr versions. Failed DPF regenerations plague the 2.7 and 3.o ltrs which put diesel fuel into the sump causing the big end and main bearing to seize and spin around inside the con rod and mains shell housing.
Apparently there are problems with the hardening of the balancer shaft on some of these JLR engines. Possibly subject to a factory recall, check the recall databases to veryfy if an engine is affected.
I wouldn’t put it back together completely. Time it up then compression test it. Give you an idea if you have any bent valves before you bolt it all together. Nice vid thanks for sharing 👍🏼
You know what guys, we was looking for an Evoque for 6mth or so, looking at the forums it totally put us off, issue after issue after issue, a lot of hassle for the kudos of a L.R badge, look nice but hellfire the hassles they suffer is not acceptable IMO.
Loved the video. As an LR owner, I'm always interested in the inner workings of these beasts. I have an LR2 2008, and our mechanic here, who only does Land Rovers, tells me he's never replaced the Volvo engine inner car model, and that they go for about 400K. Not so with the other versions, including the Ingenium, apparently.
Chris is the voice of reason, the sensible friend everyone should have...
There's a lot to be said about Chris' calm, methodical thinking. Great seeing the full insight into how you're both going about this fix. 👍
As someone who knows nothing about cars, watching this video was absolutely fascinating. Watching Chris's brain working is a sight to behold. Much preferred this video to a changing brakes/sanding ready for paint video personally. Thanks, gents x
3:52 Chris is a wise man speaking very wise words. Extended service intervals are one of the biggest mistakes modern manufacturers have made. Interesting that Toyota have stuck with 10k/1 year across their range.
Got to love a cliffhanger! Will Josh be able to time it up with his special tool? Will it start? Have Rob and Chris got lucky? Find out very very soon, in the next one!
I love to watch the way you guys function together, the way you work and do a brainstorming. You are a fantastic team! Keep up the good work!
I love Chris's comment at the end, "...and that way you don't break his tool". Absolutely agree with that. Josh has also given his advice, so let him earn a few £ and everyone is happy.
Had a 2016 3 door Evoque as a company car. Mine was a 2 litre manual. Was a nice drive, but had plenty of dashboard lights on and off during its 3 years and 60000 miles. Great video chaps👍
As always love the Sherlock Holmes piece where Rob & Chris work through what's gone wrong and how to put it right. Best car channel on TH-cam.👍👍👍
My Mrs loves range rover. I always say at least you will be comfy waiting for recovery.
Love them or hate them once you've had a Landy you'll want another 👍. Look forward to seeing it start after it's timed.
loving Chris showing the real side of himself! He has grown in confidence in these videos. You both make a great team. Great channel ! My fave!
Not having any experience of these engines, I reckon your diagnosis is spot on. The bolt should hold the sprocket against the camshaft, the bolt's come loose, transferring the load to the locating pin which has then sheared. The camshaft has then stopped turning but as the engine is cranked one piston is striking the open inlet valves which push the cam lobes out of the way. Another piston then strikes its inlet valves and they push the cam lobes, rotating the camshaft out of the way. I suspect either pistons 1 & 4 or pistons 2 & 3 are 'rocking' the camshaft backwards and forwards, through a relatively narrow arc and this is the rattle you're hearing under cranking. If you're lucky, it won't have bent any valves (or done any real damage to the piston crowns). So I agree, once it's properly reassembled you might well have a running, undamaged engine. At worst I reckon it could only need a couple of new valves. Good luck!
Chris thought process is priceless. Its like he talking out loud and going through possible issues..... still one of the greatests channels.....
He's a very bright guy in his understated , ruminative way.
Great one this, looking forward to the next installment. LR haters are always gonna hate, especially the ones who have never even owned one👍
Love listening to you two "thinking out loud" as you diagnose the issues, it gives such a great insight into the thought process of a mechanic.
Hi Chris/Rob, Id change the inlet camshaft and have the fella time the engine up on the new cam. If the lobes have moved due to the pistons giving the valves a tickle. Then you will not be able to get the engine to run.. Cracking Good Vid as Always...Andy
Fingers crossed for you guys
Love the channel!!
We’ve just finished our first Copart cat S car and what a lot of fun that was
thanks for the inspiration Rob and Chris
Chris hit the nail on the heed
Service them for the sake of 50 / 60 notes change the oil and filters
Chris is absolutely bang on about regular servicing. Look after a car and it will look after you.
Love how you both methodically work through it, brain storming through the possibilities to determine fault, without known fault issue but a little telephone advice to solve the issue, a little bit of luck coming your way!
Miles better now Chris has overcome his camera shyness.....great content
I'm on my 2nd evoque, love it to bits , first was 2012 but I didn't want the 2.0 ingenium engine ( warned against it buy my landrover guy )so I got in just as they were running out the 2015 dynamics at a discount ( never heard of before) original body shape but loaded with all the extras and the tried and tested 2.2 Peugeot/Ford diesel ( thrashed to death in many a transit van and still goes on and on) but this was the best bit , they ran out of 6speed auto boxes so fitted the new 9speed auto box ! So smooth and my economy 43/gallon. Love it . Just a quick tip for fun....engage sand setting, sport mode, manual paddle shift, traction off then hit the gas at the lights and watch the children still at the lights in the rear view mirror. Pretty good for a fuddyduddy diesel. Oh hang on to the wheel and don't do it for long periods ........
I really like having an in depth forensic session! That's where the real knowledge and experience shows👍
Subbing out the timing to Josh is also a good move as you explained!
Hope this one works out for you👍
That sprocket bolt is probably going to need a good tightening up? A bit like the crank pulley on my 1.8 tdci Mondeo, no woodruff key, just 100nm then a 180 turn, otherwise known as "Kin Tight"!
Chris is not just a master at body and mechanical repairs, but is also extremely talented at analysis and deduction. I found this very interesting as you continue through this mystery.
Thank you.
It's puzzling that Land Rover didn't fit the cam bolts with locking washers to prevent them coming undone. I'm a retired mechenic and I've rarely, if ever, seen a cam end bolt fitted without some kind of locking device. A tab washer, serrated locking washer, or some other device. This is shockingly bad engineering!
This is purposely bad engineering. They want these to fail.
What a joke. Im not even a mechanic to understand that. What a joke brand
The cam sprocket is rotated counter clockwise and therefore risks undoing the retaining bolt with its right hand thread. Once the drive chain from the crank wears it provides continuous ‘kicks’ via the intermediate sprocket to the top timing chain that acts to loosen the bolt and snap the location dowel on the cam sprocket. The only sure way to have circumvented this would have been to use a retaining bolt with left hand thread and a woodruff key between cam and sprocket, basically common sense engineering.
Hello Rob and Chris, great video and I have to say excellent film quality.
Good shout on getting help.
Thanks for taking the time to upload another video. Ged
Great stuff gentlemen. Looking forward to microphones!
11:05 The cam wouldn't rock about like that if there wasn't any damage. I suspect a couple of spun cam lobes.
A quick look in the cylinders with a borescope would soon show any damage to piston tops and/or valves. They are quite cheap now and there are also devices which plug into you phone which are even cheaper.
That's got to be worrying for owners knowing it's a common event. Blow that!
Interesting vid.
Genuinely surprised that there hasn't been a massive lawsuit against JLR for the Ingenium engine
Mine's just gone. 69k miles on the clock. 7k since last service. Discovery Sport 2.0 ingenium... every JLR specialist i've spoken to say the engine is criminal. Selling in current state to a loss of £11k. Live and learn.
Totally agree with service intervals. It used to be so many thousand miles or so many months whichever came first. I apprenticed in a small workshop like yours and loved the regular trade of servicing anything from Austin A30's and Ford Anglia's to XJ6's and various eras of Rover 3.5 v8's. Should have stayed in the trade but programming computers was incredibly exciting and lucrative in the early eighties.
I’m no mechanic and yet I’m fascinated by your skills and more, your thought processes. I watch and wish I had a brain like yours. Hats off to you gents! 👏👏👏
My brother owned an Austin Metro over 30 years ago and it was a very problematic vehicle, it broke down a lot and parts were very expensive. British vehicles have a bad reputation not always deserved, I know a happy owner of a 2012 Land Rover Freelander and he is delighted with it, you should not always get carried away by the reputation of a manufacturer, I also know another owner of an Audi A5 who had countless problems with the car just bought at an official dealer, I think it's a matter of good or bad luck. Greetings from Spain, thanks for entertaining us with your work, it's great.
Bang on Chris, these extended service intervals, load of tosh. I change oil and filter at 10,000 miles max. You do 6000 miles, even better
Rob do you have an inspection scope ? Can you peek into the cylinders and see if there’s any damage to the top of the piston(s)
Guys epic channel... honestly JLR have earned their reputation. Wouldn't have one outside despite how lovely they are to drive and sit in .
Cause: The pin on the camshaft sprocket has broken. See attached file for an example.
Action: The issue has been fixed in production at the following VINs:
• Freelander 2 / LR2 - 375956
• Evoque - 840665
A new part number is available: LR050849. These parts have a new pin material and machining changes to the camshaft sprocket body.
Interesting. Looking forward to the next one.
We used Series Land Rovers in the army. They got absolutely hammered and came back for more. Now LR engines are made by Cadbury.
Cadbury was carved up and is now Polish .... and tastes unlike Cadbury's.
Cadbury,large on packaging small on contents..
Brilliant to see you both working together to figure it out. Great partnership and teamwork. All the best.
Great as always guys, but you’re going to have to get the second mic sorted as still missing a lot of what Chris says…….love the videos and keep ‘em coming
That's another reason why I keep watching this channel. Neither of you are scared to admit that you know what it is that you don't know and are always happy to take advice.
Great video and well done lads. We will just have to wait to see what happens.👍
Amazing to me how Land Rover stay in business..... every one I've seen for sale has issues with this or problems with that, don't think I'll ever have the minerals to gamble my hard earned away on one....as nice as they are. Keep it up brave boys!
I've known a few folks with Freelanders, Evoques and these Sports and not one person has been complimentary about them as they have been constant garage lurkers.
I had a '98 Discovery Aviemore diesel in BRG. The five cylinder engine was strong, reliable and economical. It was used to haul a family of five and a caravan around Europe and never missed a beat.
It is the car that I have the most fond memories of. Wish I'd kept it but hindsight is a wonderful thing!
I'd really like to see a quick 5-10 minute video explaining your backgrounds. You seem to both have a vast well of knowledge! Might be interesting for others as well. I've been watching the channel for a couple years now and always wondered where you got the skills to do all this stuff! :)
Yes I would to love to see that.. 🙂
Intriguing, will look forward, as always to the next chapter.👍
funny, chis voiced my thoughts about this, if the bolt had worked lose, then the pin snapped at start up because it was the only thing holding the sprocket in place, then the cam would be free to rotate when pushed by the followers.......... so fingers crossed..........there may be no other damage ??.......... good luck ! 👍😃
has to be said, its a poor design...... if it had been keyed it would continue to turn even with a loose bolt ?🤔
Really interesting looking forward to seeing the outcome
Your never going to have this problem with your Ant Chris, or a Viva.
Thanks
Land Rover, like Rover before them to be fair, make a great product, it's just the quality control is terrible. I was once talking to an auto electrician who worked full time at JLR snagging cars. The main fault he dealt with was self tappers through wiring looms. So yeah, that loose bolt doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
An enjoyable watch. Thanks for sharing.
Classic comment .... " Drives lovely when there going " .... Fantastic.
Must be a bad sign when you praise a vehicle's reliability in month's , and at best, nearly two years.... In the ten years I had my old 1997 Toyota Rav 4 it broke down once, when the water pump collapsed and jammed the belt, but being a non interference engine it was soon back on the road, and it was that straight forward I put a new pump and belt on myself.
Good stuff gents. I’m always amazed at Chris’s knowledge and skill.
A bit of a puzzler, but it’s interesting to see both of you going thru the investigation and discussing the various options.
Nice video again boys.
Time was when the worst you would expect of a land Rover were a few oil leaks. Now with engines built down to a price you cant risk owning one outside of warranty unless you are feeling lucky! What a sad state of affairs!
Hi guys, it's great to see you cracking on with the engine diagnosis on this range rover Evoque.
I don't have I don't have a scooby what you are on about with valves up and down opening and closed but
Love these kinds of videos. So interesting. Great content guys 👌🏻
The first brand new car I ever owned was a facelift range rover vogue 'L' reg 1994. I have to be honest and say it spent most of its first 12months back with Landrover having repairs. There wasn't one part that wasn't touched by some fault or other, and can understand the comments by others that probably have suffered the same fate. However, the next six years were relatively trouble free motoring. Interesting to watch about these latest models, and love Chris's new purchase.
If you need any technical information let me know, I work for JLR (tech) can also get you cost price parts if needed
Really enjoyed the video , I love listening to Chris talking his way through all the possibility scenarios as to what might of happened. Really hope you guys get lucky with this one.
There’s a saying in Australia: “if you want to drive into the bush, take a Land Rover. If you want to be able to drive out of the bush, take a Toyota Land Cruiser!”
Yeah - I have heard a variation on that - if you want to go into the bush drive a land rover if you intend coming back as well drive a toyota
@@darrenwilson8042 we have three landcruisers , one has 400,000 miles on it , it starts on half a turn and is a daily driver , 3.5 ton on the hook and you don’t know it’s there ..it is the finest 4x4 ever built ..
Yep thats correct :)
Lol
Very true. Of course the vehicle in the video is a Range Rover and apart from the Darien Gap expedition is probably best left in Chelsea or Wilmslow. As always chaps, a superb video.
A great video Rob and Chris
Kia having massive issues at min with Sportage models, just at our site we have 20 customers 2022 cars recovered in as non runners and trashed engines! There are dozens more at many other dealers up and down the country!
Great Diagnostics. Looking forward to the fix. See you both in the next one. 👍👍
Is the dowel not a shear pin i.e. a mechanical fuse that breaks and protects other components against breakage.
I think what I like the most about your channel is how in sync you two seem to be, you are more like Brothers than workmates. Good luck guys...Great channel!
Rob buy Chris a mic ......I can never here him..... great content by the way.
He’s got one
I found this video very informative, I work in the motor trade and you still learn something new everyday. Thanks for the videos. 👍
Need to get those new microphones set up! Difficult to hear Chris when he is any distance away! Please!
Hollow Cams with press on lobes becoming common place on some engines now. Some see them as a sort of 'sacrificial anode' in that the lobe movement stops heavy damage elsewhere. Not always the case but certainly in most cases. You guys mentioned the Berlingo with press on lobes. This is a common fault when the belt goes or water pump seizes. At least two lobes will have moved out of position. I'm also aware of slight lobe movement on higher mileage Berlingo models (80 - 100 thousand miles) resulting in poor performance. New set of cams and it's back to full power. Most people prefer replacing with a steel cam where possible.
Just assume the cam lobes have moved, and stick a new camshaft in while it's apart?
Cheers Rob & Chris I am a devoted Land Rover fan BUT now I will never buy a Range Rover sport. I think I will stick to a Disco lol. I hope the Landy survives and lives to drive another day after timing. Just love listening to Chris explaining why the engine failed and the plan with the welding rods was fantastic. Thanks again for a very informative video Rob & Chris. Tom
I know a fella who has done more that 10 of these and the main problem is the upper timing chains stretches and puts the cam out of sync leading to your problem
Exactly the main problem, well put.
Guys, this is a masterclass in collaborative problem solving, a joy to watch. Many thanks.
Owned four. Never a problem. Changed the oil every 7500 miles. Maintenance is everything.
after what mileage did you sell them?
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Between 41,000 and 61,000. However, 2 of them to mates who went on to run both to more than 100,000 miles. The only issue was a recall for a fuel rail o ring on 2 of them. I do hear horror stories from other people though so don’t doubt when they go wrong it’s painful on the credit card. I
Oil changes are not stopping that cam bolt from coming loose. Threadlocker at assembly might tho.
Whip the caps off and make sure the cam hasn’t snapped and it’s just friction turning the two halves
great video -- the RR's are the original marmite thing -- love em or hate em
Thanks for the update, hopefully it's just a few parts and away it goes. If that was me working on that now you know whats happened I'd put an inspection camera down the plug holes and see if there are any marks on the piston tops where the valves hit and you should be able to figure out the cam lobes moving, and put a new cam in before it goes anywhere to be timed if nothing else is wrong it's got to have that anyway by the sounds of it. If somebodys saying 20 engines chances are it's right over a big enough dealership, i could find 20 Dodges or fords with the known engine problems within 3 hours of here in classified adds. I also know this spring John Deere had 252 machines needing new computers that were back ordered with no confirmed shipping date. My customer was number 252 and they told him that right from the dealership, I was listening in on the call with the guy when they told him his tractor was a 180k lawn ornament for a while without it. Take care guys.
The only way to buy an Evoque is one with the PSA 2.2 HDI engine
Exactly.
Very well explained,on assembly I would put a dash of thread lock on the bolt or a spring washer"
In my opinion and owner experience anything with Rover in the name i have avoided for years, is it a snob value?
Mind-boggling evoke !!
Guys got to say you both took the common sense approach!! Hope it runs for you !!
Yet again fantastic video!!
Love the videos but..... I definitely think you need to get chris a bluetooth mic we cant here what he is saying. Keep up the good work guys.
When you turned it over, the cam didn't move. So i think the lobes have moved to a position where all valves can be closed. If it was rocking backwards and forwards like Chris said, you should have seen it do that when you cranked it.
I find amazing that they don’t build these modern cars without solid camshafts. What is the reason to have a tube and separate lobes.
Is it for cheapness? Or another reason ? Opinions please, seems a recipe for failure. What other modern cars are like this ?
I was loving the wafflin on about servicing, good points and I'd like to hear more of what you're both thinking.
So you have a Range Rover with a blown engine and a Reliant Ant which needs a body.... Here comes the RAnt Rover! Rangeys have never been as reliable as people somehow think they should be. A bloke called Toyoda recognised this but I don't know what happened to him.
Interesting. Now the head is off it is worth changing the cam anyway, any lobe movement could be really minor and just leave a weak valve seal after rebuild?
Jaguar/land Rover products look like nothing else on the road and have more presence(ts) than Santa. They just need to bring reliability up a cog (pardon the pun) and they will have the market cornered.
Another Great Video Gents -
I like these ones…….the mechanical interrogation work…….an the electrical ones too……as well as all the body work…..
They’re all good news basically……
Still my favourite tele…….👍
My dad had the 2.2 diesel auto new in 2013, he never had any issues in it in the 4 years he had it and did about 40k miles
The 2.2 TDi engine is the only reliable Jaguar diesel engine. Stay away from the 2.0ltr, the 2,7 and 3.0 ltr versions. Failed DPF regenerations plague the 2.7 and 3.o ltrs which put diesel fuel into the sump causing the big end and main bearing to seize and spin around inside the con rod and mains shell housing.
The 2.2 is a Ford engine 👍😂
Brilliant Guys. Can't wait to see the outcome. Fingers crossed.
See the issue with fuel oil dilution i highlighted in the comments to the last video. Balencer shafts wear prematurely so worth checking 👍
My Evoque had balance shaft issues at 10k miles under warranty.
Apparently there are problems with the hardening of the balancer shaft on some of these JLR engines. Possibly subject to a factory recall, check the recall databases to veryfy if an engine is affected.
I wouldn’t put it back together completely. Time it up then compression test it. Give you an idea if you have any bent valves before you bolt it all together. Nice vid thanks for sharing 👍🏼
You know what guys, we was looking for an Evoque for 6mth or so, looking at the forums it totally put us off, issue after issue after issue, a lot of hassle for the kudos of a L.R badge, look nice but hellfire the hassles they suffer is not acceptable IMO.
My family is a JLR family and they are all crap, defenders, RR, jaguar. Get a Ford or jap 4x4 instead lol
Great work by you two on the Range Rover waiting for the next video.
Bore scope check for half moons on top the pistons. ?
Loved the video. As an LR owner, I'm always interested in the inner workings of these beasts. I have an LR2 2008, and our mechanic here, who only does Land Rovers, tells me he's never replaced the Volvo engine inner car model, and that they go for about 400K. Not so with the other versions, including the Ingenium, apparently.