I have the Fuji X-M5 (not preproduction) and I’m using a Sirui Sniper and Sigma 18-50 f2.8. My AF is working well. Its not Sony level (I own a FX6, FX30, A7S3, A7C2) but in my opinion, it works. AF for photo works, tracking works in video and touch focus mode works without hunting. Overall, your test is not good and your opinion is proven wrong.
It's great to hear that you're having good luck with it- as I said in the video, it's possible the X-M5 I tried wasn't final. Although I am also curious how well it's working since you say it's not in the ballpark with Sony. Is it still hunting with moving subjects? Does the tracking get lost?
@ There is a delay when it comes to locking AF especially if you want your AF to be instant like when you set everything on max like a Sony but if you want that long focus pull effect, then the XM5 does that in video. No hunting or pulsing with my unit. In photo mode. The AF bites really fast. No pulsing, no hunting. And I am using third party lenses here. So buy the product first, test it and if its not up to your ballpark, then trash it. Not the other way around.
@@iamalexchua not sure if you didn't watch the whole video or what, but didn't trash it- just reported what my hands on experience was- but glad the production unit seems to be working better!
I'm waiting for this new firmware update. It will determine whether I buy the XH2s and a lens, or sell everything I own to go with something that isn't a joke.
I totally get that- like I want the XH-2 and XH-2S to compete with the other brands, Fuji cameras are so fun to use...but if you can't get images in focus reliably, that makes it less fun...let's keep our fingers crossed that Fuji does knock it out of the park with this upcoming firmware release!!
@@cheesedrinkal I hope that a7RVI thing isn't just a rumor- all they really need to do is but the RV in the new body type, maybe improve the back screen panel's resolution, and its a winner!
Did you have any issues with random restarting. Even while shooting video? Also during photo shooting while zooming. And when changing settings the lens resets. I contacted my retailer and they advised me to return it. But there is no stock anymore so i will not have a new xm5 anytime soon.
Not sure where you're located, but the production models haven't come in stock in the US yet. That said, I didn't notice any issues like you mentioned when I played with the camera- unfortunately, it sounds like you got a defective unit...
1. You would need to verify the specific firmware version of the X-M5 you tested. 2. Your test is not conclusive nor exhaustive. 3. The firmware release is still a rumor. Officially only the video AF fix us coming to X-H2, X-H2s. 4. People have also been saying that GFX has an AF performance similar to the X-mount cameras so issue is clearly software. And look, yes, Fuji should get their sh*t together and fix their subject tracking, but this can only be labeled as clickbait when your whole argument is based on a rumor.
The title of the video is 'Looks like...' not 'definitive and exhaustive test proves...' And then I think your argument is that Fuji would update older cameras and not include the improved firmware update in its newest camera, ostensibly being released within days of said firmware update? Not sure how that tracks? I can also tell you from actual, hands on experience that the GFX does not focus as fast as the latest X-series cameras- the bigger sensor means longer scan times. But for medium format, the latest GFX AF is pretty impressive, and a pretty significant jump forward from other past and current (Hassy, ahem) MF cameras.
I'm really puzzled at exactly what you were focusing on! The persons head? The box was likely moving as the scene was busy. Ironically, why would you use tracking in a test like this, when Face Eye would have been better? I tested tracking the other day on the release firmware, and while I have yet to do more extensive tests, it seems fine. I've done countless videos on this too, and simply not found this as an issue, if anything the tracking is too sticky. It can have issues with low contrast subjects too. There are issues with the AF, but I feel you really have not demonstrated enough here with a few seconds of footage, where the camera was in full auto mode (the AI here tries to guess what the scene is so affects how it focuses and performs) Really, you need to test in manual mode, state what settings you have set. I get that fuji AF needs setting up for a scene, and this to some is a problem. I'd love to borrow a Sony camera for a month to see how I get on. My ZV-1 was great for AF, but not that much different to fuji cameras! I bought an X-M5, after testing one with the fuji rep at my local camera store. I was able to demo some of the issues the AF has, but these were more when 2 faces are in the scene, and the camera locks onto the wrong one. This applies to other cameras, but some, like my Lumix S5iiX can let you select the face you wish. Essentially, I do not think what you have done here is a realistic test.
I just don’t understand the complacency Fuji puts on auto focus? They seem to care about every other thing but auto focus - fix the friggin auto focus!!!!! 🤬 They just keep pushing out products and never fixing the problem!
Don't care about having the latest autofocus, it's really overated for importance. But i do care about a company being consistent and fixing issues. Fuji isnt fixing issues for years and isn't consistent.
I think part of the problem is that with the last few updates, not only did they not fix AF, they made it worse...that said, I am keeping my fingers crossed that they have learned their lesson, will apply kaizen principles like they used to, and will improve it with future firmware improvements. Although if what I saw on the X-M5 is indeed production firmware, it seems that this upcoming firmware update is not that silver bullet sadly.
@@unalozmen526 if you mean the weird jittery thing it does when you open/close the aperture, they actually came out and said it's an issue with many of their lenses, there are only like 1-2 video forward lenses where this won't happen...
@@davidc5323 were they TH-cam shill videos? I don’t think anyone can say for sure until the new firmware update is released and the production XM-5 is widely available, but my little bit of time with that demo X-M5 was (sadly) not encouraging…it’s a real bummer bc I want to see Fuji succeed!
Ishhh Canon R autofocus was not great, so imagine this one! I have tried an XT-30ii in store and it was not great. I really wanted the look and compact form factor but to me if the autofocus is not good then I pass.
@@PatDesrochers-Photo-Video yeah, I think the hardware and software/algos are comparable to the R sadly, so imagine the gap now that Canon released the R5II and is getting closer to Sony AF (very close for photo, not quite as close for video).
Dumped my X-H2s for wildlife and birds for my old OM-1 the new firmware on that is very good. I'm wondering if the X-trans sensor isn't the problem, I'm just thinking out loud, but who knows. Sony cameras are just so awful ergonomically, but I guess I might have to give them a try again. Canon needs to allow 3rd party lenses, now.
Tested 7.1 today, you are correct good sir. It's maybe cleared up the glitches, but its not 'improved'.
@@SummersSnaps appreciate the confirmation!
I swear I would dump my a7cr as my second fun everyday camera for another fuji but God the AF is so primitive
yep, totally agree!
I have the Fuji X-M5 (not preproduction) and I’m using a Sirui Sniper and Sigma 18-50 f2.8. My AF is working well. Its not Sony level (I own a FX6, FX30, A7S3, A7C2) but in my opinion, it works. AF for photo works, tracking works in video and touch focus mode works without hunting. Overall, your test is not good and your opinion is proven wrong.
It's great to hear that you're having good luck with it- as I said in the video, it's possible the X-M5 I tried wasn't final. Although I am also curious how well it's working since you say it's not in the ballpark with Sony. Is it still hunting with moving subjects? Does the tracking get lost?
@ There is a delay when it comes to locking AF especially if you want your AF to be instant like when you set everything on max like a Sony but if you want that long focus pull effect, then the XM5 does that in video. No hunting or pulsing with my unit. In photo mode. The AF bites really fast. No pulsing, no hunting. And I am using third party lenses here. So buy the product first, test it and if its not up to your ballpark, then trash it. Not the other way around.
@@iamalexchua not sure if you didn't watch the whole video or what, but didn't trash it- just reported what my hands on experience was- but glad the production unit seems to be working better!
I'm waiting for this new firmware update. It will determine whether I buy the XH2s and a lens, or sell everything I own to go with something that isn't a joke.
why would you buy that xh2s when it's more expensive than an A7iv and the upcoming A7V that is releasing in early 2025
I totally get that- like I want the XH-2 and XH-2S to compete with the other brands, Fuji cameras are so fun to use...but if you can't get images in focus reliably, that makes it less fun...let's keep our fingers crossed that Fuji does knock it out of the park with this upcoming firmware release!!
@@cheesedrinkal I hope that a7RVI thing isn't just a rumor- all they really need to do is but the RV in the new body type, maybe improve the back screen panel's resolution, and its a winner!
@@MarcAdesso not the A7RVI, the A7V
the sensor is way suprior compared to fuji
@@cheesedrinkal do you mean the a7IV?
Did you have any issues with random restarting. Even while shooting video?
Also during photo shooting while zooming. And when changing settings the lens resets.
I contacted my retailer and they advised me to return it. But there is no stock anymore so i will not have a new xm5 anytime soon.
Not sure where you're located, but the production models haven't come in stock in the US yet. That said, I didn't notice any issues like you mentioned when I played with the camera- unfortunately, it sounds like you got a defective unit...
1. You would need to verify the specific firmware version of the X-M5 you tested.
2. Your test is not conclusive nor exhaustive.
3. The firmware release is still a rumor. Officially only the video AF fix us coming to X-H2, X-H2s.
4. People have also been saying that GFX has an AF performance similar to the X-mount cameras so issue is clearly software.
And look, yes, Fuji should get their sh*t together and fix their subject tracking, but this can only be labeled as clickbait when your whole argument is based on a rumor.
100% this.
Totally, and with only 4 seconds of shaky video proof lol.
The title of the video is 'Looks like...' not 'definitive and exhaustive test proves...' And then I think your argument is that Fuji would update older cameras and not include the improved firmware update in its newest camera, ostensibly being released within days of said firmware update? Not sure how that tracks?
I can also tell you from actual, hands on experience that the GFX does not focus as fast as the latest X-series cameras- the bigger sensor means longer scan times. But for medium format, the latest GFX AF is pretty impressive, and a pretty significant jump forward from other past and current (Hassy, ahem) MF cameras.
fuji fanboys already making excuses for bad AF
@@cheesedrinkal you clearly did not read my full comment.
I'm really puzzled at exactly what you were focusing on! The persons head? The box was likely moving as the scene was busy. Ironically, why would you use tracking in a test like this, when Face Eye would have been better? I tested tracking the other day on the release firmware, and while I have yet to do more extensive tests, it seems fine.
I've done countless videos on this too, and simply not found this as an issue, if anything the tracking is too sticky. It can have issues with low contrast subjects too.
There are issues with the AF, but I feel you really have not demonstrated enough here with a few seconds of footage, where the camera was in full auto mode (the AI here tries to guess what the scene is so affects how it focuses and performs)
Really, you need to test in manual mode, state what settings you have set. I get that fuji AF needs setting up for a scene, and this to some is a problem. I'd love to borrow a Sony camera for a month to see how I get on. My ZV-1 was great for AF, but not that much different to fuji cameras!
I bought an X-M5, after testing one with the fuji rep at my local camera store. I was able to demo some of the issues the AF has, but these were more when 2 faces are in the scene, and the camera locks onto the wrong one. This applies to other cameras, but some, like my Lumix S5iiX can let you select the face you wish.
Essentially, I do not think what you have done here is a realistic test.
"If".
I just don’t understand the complacency Fuji puts on auto focus? They seem to care about every other thing but auto focus - fix the friggin auto focus!!!!! 🤬
They just keep pushing out products and never fixing the problem!
Great question man. It's a shame really. Even lumix has better AF now.
@@simon359 yeah, I agree- it seems like they put out 3 videos a week, and none talk about their AF!
Don't care about having the latest autofocus, it's really overated for importance. But i do care about a company being consistent and fixing issues. Fuji isnt fixing issues for years and isn't consistent.
Well said!
They are consistent at not fixing autofocus 😢😂
@@vladimirganzar6844 hahahaha
Fuji does not fix issues period.
I think part of the problem is that with the last few updates, not only did they not fix AF, they made it worse...that said, I am keeping my fingers crossed that they have learned their lesson, will apply kaizen principles like they used to, and will improve it with future firmware improvements. Although if what I saw on the X-M5 is indeed production firmware, it seems that this upcoming firmware update is not that silver bullet sadly.
@ not just AF issues. Exposure ramping issue for example. It exist since xt3 and it seems it will forever.
@@unalozmen526 if you mean the weird jittery thing it does when you open/close the aperture, they actually came out and said it's an issue with many of their lenses, there are only like 1-2 video forward lenses where this won't happen...
??? What the .. I watched many videos and they said it was fixed.
@@davidc5323 were they TH-cam shill videos? I don’t think anyone can say for sure until the new firmware update is released and the production XM-5 is widely available, but my little bit of time with that demo X-M5 was (sadly) not encouraging…it’s a real bummer bc I want to see Fuji succeed!
they lie bro
@@djkidii yes, TH-cam makes it hard to tell who is telling the truth, and who is paid to spin the truth sometimes...
@@MarcAdesso i sold week ago xh2s and af on single is ok but on afc is terrile
@ yep, esp. for video…
Ishhh Canon R autofocus was not great, so imagine this one! I have tried an XT-30ii in store and it was not great. I really wanted the look and compact form factor but to me if the autofocus is not good then I pass.
@@PatDesrochers-Photo-Video yeah, I think the hardware and software/algos are comparable to the R sadly, so imagine the gap now that Canon released the R5II and is getting closer to Sony AF (very close for photo, not quite as close for video).
Dumped my X-H2s for wildlife and birds for my old OM-1 the new firmware on that is very good. I'm wondering if the X-trans sensor isn't the problem, I'm just thinking out loud, but who knows. Sony cameras are just so awful ergonomically, but I guess I might have to give them a try again. Canon needs to allow 3rd party lenses, now.
Yeah, if the issue is hardware, I tend to think it's more likely than it would be the X processor rather than the stacked sensor of the X-H2S.
More moaning. Thumbs down. Get a better camera, this one is cheap as chips. Pay the money, get a pro camera.