Reparations to me would like a flower blooming with no limitations. I’m not ashamed or afraid to feel something. A battle worth fighting and a battle worth being compensated. We keep our heart but free our mind.
This man was not trying to state the reality of what reparations need to look like. He was beating around the bush a lot with all those anecdotal stories. He didn't answer your question Dr. Joy DeGruy. We have to appreciate the scholars in our community but honestly as an elder he don't sound ready to demand what we are owed! He has a very "liberal" institutionalized perspective and approach to reprimanding White America.
Yes although he got a dose in this park..he was spared a whole lot lots of pain I myself have felt. I believe he's too soft for something so serious. Experience being the best teacher...we need to here more than just a diagnosis prognosis from "our men" of experience not just academics. (Put mildly) Just him reading about it in archives has him sputtering and studdering. Smh.
@@kimjones8824 these academic runarounds usually deflect from the reality of white man's law via the doctrine of discovery and the military savagery . we Nonwhite people refuse to train combatives of multitude of skill to replicate/execute the same means that Europeans( now self classified as White) used/use to take and secure Nonwhite people globally and the entire planet/ universe. I say universe due to them colonizing space and declaring it as the newest warzone. As for a conversation about reparations... she only needs to talk to Dr. Claude anderson on that. He's the only one that has put his own money and filed continuous lawsuits to move the issue for over 12 yes straight.
Great discussion. Not enough credit is given to both Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore igniting a national discussion about Reparations for ADOS. While the articles and books mentioned were great conversation starters within intimate circles, if honesty is being adhered to, then again, the work that Dr. William Darity, Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore have done should be acknowledged.
Drs can you have this same conversation with Dr Sandy Darity and Kirsten Mullen. We have to come out of this old thinking. I love what your dad said to you. I did this for you. We have to pass this sentiment forward.
If ADOS brought the conversation of reperations to the forefront, even to the Presidential debate stage, why weren't Antonio Moore or Yvette Carnell invited to this forum? They are doing the work above anyone.
Because they didn't do what you claim, and the government will never respond to their most vocal arguments about reparations, because they are irrelevant. No one groups speaks for all of those, who are due reparations from the U.S. we are not a nation of people nor one with any apparatus to come to a consensus that would represent the majority will of us, beyond the government setting up an election for us. Many of us would likely respond to that, if it were to happen, like Trump supporters - not believing that they loss the election. The vast majority of us have not even seriously, if at all, considered reparations. The two you mentioned don't need this forum, if this can even be called a forum. Most who spend a considerable amount of time on this issue, have their own forums. That is why there got to speak before Congress and the two you speak of did not. The others were known for having a track record and had already established relationships with members of congress around this issue.
@@americanlady738 This is an edit to my post : Because they didn't do what you claim, and the government will never respond to their most vocal arguments about reparations, because they are irrelevant. No one groups speaks for all of those, who are due reparations from the U.S.. We are not a nation of people, nor one with any apparatus that allows us to come to a consensus, that would represent the majority will of the group. To reach that kind of consensus, the government would have to set up special elections for us to vote on reparations proposals. The indigenous Americans have a governmental structure of their own, that allows them to make collective decisions, that all of their people willingly recognize and respect. This system officially represents them as a group. What form of self governance do we have? As divided as we are around isms and lifestyles, I'm not sure the government setting up special elections to determine the forms reparation will take would satisfy us. Many of us would likely respond to the results, as Trump and his supporters reacted to the recent election. Many of us would not believe the results were accurate, and or simply would not accept them. This would continue the present state of disunity among us. The vast majority of us have not even seriously, if at all, considered reparations. The two you mentioned - Carnell and Moore - don't need this forum. Most who spend a considerable amount of time on this issue, have their own forums. They got to speak before Congress and Carnell and Moore likely did not, because they have long had forums, and were known for having a track record of working on this issue, and had already established relationships with members of Congress around this issue. Instead of Carnell and Moore joining already existing efforts, they choice to do their own thing and attempt to reinvent the wheel, so to speak. Their style of presentation does not help their efforts. They create specious arguments in a tone that is obviously counter productive to their stated goals. I hope this is more understandable to you, then what I previously wrote. May I ask - what is 'family lineage therapy'?
@@siriuslyspeaking9720 that sounds like misinformation bring spouted by a jealous person. You're jealous because ADOS has advanced reperations for American Chattle Slavery further than any organization ever has. We don't need you wanting to be in the spotlight. It's not about you. ADOS is about collective uplift, not your frail attention grabbing ego.
@@RThom1000 To speak of who advanced the issue is ego tripping. If it is really about collective, that would require unity, which they acting contrary to from the start. The refusal to address legitimate criticisms speaks for itself.
Read "From Here to Equity: Reparations for Black Americans in the Twenty First Century " by William Darity and Kirsten Mullen. I was hoping for a more in depth conversation on Slavery, Jim Crow, and on going racism and discrimination reparations from the esteemed panel. I was also hoping for information on the family lineage therapy that will part of our reparations packages & policy prescriptions.
Thank you for your service. My grandfather was is the Navy when the only thing they let us do was cook and clean. I'm sure they have evolved some but not much. Please take advantage of all of the veterans benefit programs they blocked us from. So many before you earned them but couldn't use them. Stay safe.
The 400 is years are up. God is getting ready to move on our behalf and no one can stop Him. Thanks for your forums and ENLIGHTENMENT!! 👁️👁️ God bless and happy New Year to you all.
My God we are the very fabric that stabilizes the continuance of this country from shore to shore. We are the native black children of whom our black ancestors toiled and bled building this place. America owes us our inheritance. All others are capitalizing and striping our lives for their gain by still reaping the fruits of our communities for their gain and their children's gain. Give us what 8s due us!
OMG! My grandfather was also in the Navy. He died in 2012 at the age of 87. I visited the USS North Carolina in 2019 for my birthday. I scoured that entire ship for one photo of any black seamen or sailor. When I found the plaquard (on the second to last level at the bottom I may add) and then found out blacks had no rank & were just servants in uniform & were restricted from specific areas of the ship, my heart broke for him & so many other black men & women who served our country. They were treated & mistreated the same away from home just as they were in the United States . . . shameful! Now I know why he never liked to speak of his time in the Navy!
@Shy Bunnie my grandfather was also a servant in the Navy. I have often reminded my children every time we see a black "first" it comes on the back of so many that had to eat crap, swallow their pride and survive. That is not to say that the first accomplishment isn't important. It is to remind everyone of the sacrifices our ancestors had to make and the hardship they endured for that first to occur.
@@ibeerollin4441 Yes! I agree we had to eat crap just to stay sane, to not give up on what was necessary to be human being in a country where we are still marginalized and devalued. As a result, I am still afraid for my people because we are still in the struggle for our humanity.
I want to see unity in all the organizations that are about reparations come to a place of implementation. I'm so excited for the talks to learn more and yet, we need to put the demand forward to the right people for results.
This is an excellent discussion. It's so nice to listen to people on the internet that speaks about Americas human development which is Critical Race injustice that have the intellectual expertise and mastery that speaks truth to the powers and Dr. Joy DeGruy is one of the very few scholars today doing that. Your work is phenomenal and greatly needed today to heel this nations psychosis. Thank YOU! Dr. Joy. I bought your book and enjoy it greatly and enjoy seeing and hearing you and your guest regularly.
I appreciate this conversation and love the way Dr. DeGruy dissects white supremacy and breaks down PTSD, but I'm tired of talking about the legitimacy of reparations, the questioning of it, and so on and so on and so on. How do we get it? Cut the check!
Greetings, Dr. Joy, Bahia, and Dr. Robinson. Finally, we are having this history that answers why and what Reparations are a must. It was never about us it wasn't working for us, It has to be restructured. Policing, military, now the fire departments the "SYSTEMS" keeping me in bondage was their origin. On this island /country called Bermuda is the statement out loud in your face, but, it is overlooked, what happened on the colony than that led to the blacks being the majority that has ruled politically for 40 years now. I have not received any assistance on this island /country as a retired aged person. It is s a colony. Thank you so very much.
As painful as it is to read the book: "The Reckoning," by Randall Robinson says most of this existing cycle of Black Malaise due to the division that Black people impose upon themselves.
@@kimjones8824 If past trauma can be passed down through genes, and is damaging, how much more damaging is the constant/continuous stress and trauma that a particular demographic of us experience everyday? Life itself is stressful and traumatic, at various times and to various levels. How we to gauge trauma's impact on us, when we all are different? Where is the serious practical therapeutic treatment for this condition, that so many want to validate? Psychotherapy seems to be the new in thing for Black people, but how can it work, when we show so many sign of being in denial and not willing to be honest with ourselves? Will it all just amount to us feeding our narcissist tendency - the need to make ourselves the center of the universe and put words to that idea? How can we witness the shift in attitude and stance among significant numbers of us, regarding the rate of homicides and assaults we commit on each other? Why does it seem that we are acting like this new stance, that us killing one another is "not a thing", when back in the 80's hip-hop had the stop the violence campaign, and no one ever said it was wrong to even talk about it in public. Prominent people who are considered leaders take this stance today, and we are not asking the questions why this change, and what does it mean? I will reply to this post with my thoughts on this whole issue, and hope Degruy or someone of her stature will begin the nationwide discussion of this puzzling phenomenon. I think some group psychological occurrence is happening here, and if we refuse to acknowledge it, we are basically gas-lighting ourselves and engaging in the same can of denial of reality that happens with much of Trumpism.
To say that Black on Black crime does not exist is like saying high blood pressure, diabetes, drug addiction, bad male/female relationships, and all the other problems we have, don't exist or don't matter, because all people experience them. The point is, that we of all people can least afford to not attend to correct things, that make our situation worst, but are things we can control. That should not be difficult to understand. Why were no Black people saying "Blacks killing one another is not a thing", when hip-hop had the stop the violence campaign or movement in the 80's? This is a 360 degree turnaround, and we are acting like this current dismissive and indifferent attitude, has always been our position. Anti-violence efforts by community members have been going on in cities like Chicago for decades. Many of us certainly see it as a problem, and have always shown active concern about it. This is gas-lighting ourselves - and denying reality. It makes a joke of the popular sayings, like keeping it real, being conscious, being woke, 100, and "facts". They all proclaim a high degree of clear thinking and honesty. To say that us killing one another is comparable to that of the general killing of people by people, living in close proximity, is like comparing apples to oranges. Most or a very significant number of the killings among us, are a systemic, predictable and centralized form of killing, by an easily identifiable demographic. This is totally different from the random/unpredictable act of crimes of passion. The nature of the killings have changed over the half century or so. Today children, women, elders, and innocent people in general, are victims in this systemic and centralized violence, and many are done in more heinous ways than before. This was not the case when homicides first became so prevalent a half century or so ago. Can anyone argue that the impact of violence does not have a greater negative impact on our communities, than it does in others? Have we forgotten the wisdom of the saying "when America catches a cold, we get pneumonia"? Some seem to be perplexed that someone would criticize them and point out that to say "no one talks about other people killing themselves, and that people kill people they live near" is a false equivalence. turmoil We constantly wail against a system of oppression, and will even talk of all manner of conspiracies against us, even ones to destroy Black boys. Many of us speak rhetorically about the near extinction of the Black male adult. With us showing all of this concern, how can we, and why do we, now express such unconcern about such a serious threat to our people's well being? This argument wouldn't stand up in a debate among middle school students, yet not only hip-hop artist say this - (acting as if they never knew of the hip-hop anti-violence movement of the 80's and the song 'Were Headed For Self Destruction') - Black intellectuals like Michael Eric Dyson, who is like a front man for hip-hop, also take this new stance. Dyson even goes so far as to say, to talk about it, "makes us look pathological". I have never seen or heard anyone White person of prominence, direct the term pathological toward Black people in public. I can't even recall ever hearing of it. Of course the same can be expressed other ways, but I've never heard it put bluntly as Dyson and some other Black people have said it. It is ironic that Dyson would say this, as he may be the author of, or at least the one person most responsible for the popularity of the concept of "respectability politics. They mistakenly apply this to this question of us killing one another. The notion that if a Black person just conducts themselves in an exemplary manner, White people will respect us and treat us fairly, is the way they define this concept. They seem to publically, categorically associate any calls from Black people to act in a respectful manner as, practicing respectability politics. I say publically because I know they demand their children to act respectfully and responsibly. In doing this, they show a lack of respect, for us in general, and the people who would benefit the most, from having a healthy regard for themselves and others particularly. They do this for what - social/political reasons? Are not all our people worthy of being expected to be held responsible for basic social standards? Is this not itself, a form of dehumanization? They say those of us who talk about the need for us to re-establish standards of behavior do so, because we are worried about how White people view us. They say "a White person don't care whether you wear a suit or have your pants down on your behind. They will still treat you like an n-word". This statement in itself is an insult. Who among us don't know that a racist don't need an excuse to hate us? The prime beneficiary of us having self respect and regard for our own lives, would be those of us who currently do not have this outlook. The rest of us would benefit secondarily. Society as a whole, would be the last to benefit from this. Doing so would directly save Black lives, and this in their minds, is secondary to what? To say that we shouldn't talk about it and to associate it with pathology, says to me that they are the ones worried about how other people see us, and that a perception of us held by others, is more important than something that will actually save lives.
Yah shalom meshpaca💜 in our elders tongue. They also got our families wealth, starting in 1500 the Spanish Inquisition. Then they came to our mainland and took control of all our land, while lying and saying we are from Africa. I love Africa, however this is my peoples land!
I listened to the podcast "Black History Year," I was surprised at how many groups have researched and taken charge of making a case for reparations. Dr. William Darity makes a dynamic show of the research and a profound legal stance.
It has been ongoing, contrary to some late to the issue may think or say. DeGruy praised Coates on hi 2014 Atlantic article, but he wrote that article because it was already being talked about. Obama had to address the issue during his 2008 presidential campaign. The issue had been dealt with respectfully up until recently. People are making it more complex that what it is, and it was already complex since it was not dealt with when it should have been.
Appreciative of this conversation. Wondering what this conversation would be today since the reparations conversation has progressed socially & legislatively
This was a "feel good" enjoyable conversation which I enjoyed with very little info or insight about implementing a regime for reparations imo. Dr Degruy and daughter usually "bring it" a good bit better.
Great conversation! I thank your Dad, Dr. Joy, for giving you the baton to finish the race. Dr. Robinson, I'm a NY'er and in the South for almost 20 years and I'm glad my accent has never left me. LOL!! Thank you all so much for your hearts in the matter of our people.
🤚🏾I don't think it should be solely based on individual needs. Because its a specific and universal debt owed.the CEO Bob Johnson needs to receive as much as OG Bobby Johnson. Along with policies, trusts etc. Its a necessity to ensure our wholeness in America 🇺🇸.
Wow... This system was never built for us..., so it must be taken apart and we have to be inserted in the system in order for it to work for US...Beaming
I believe that first we must receive the reparations into the black owned institutions. Banks, real estate, education, church to be accountable for dispensaries. Family leadership per household will go through classes to help them learn how to create wealth. Families across the board should receive a base amount for initial payment of half million, then annual payments of half million. Maybe, it will come close to what they owe us. Hopefully, the blacks can pull themselves up from their own boot straps because then they will be able to buy some boots.
At 31:40 Degruy says her parents told her "she had to be twice as good to get to fair". I believe the most common form of this old saying is that "we have to be twice as good to get ahead". I extend that logic to add that we have to be twice as good to ourselves, considering we are so despised and hated. The Compensatory Code.... that Neeley Fuller Jr. created, and that he and the late Dr. Francis Cress Welshing and he advocated we use to counter the impact of systemic racism, is consistent with this old adage. Part of it mentions how we should view and treat ourselves and each other. It seems apparent that when we stopped valuing this way of thinking and viewing our situation, progress began to drastically decline. Although vices like alcoholism and drug addiction were around prior to this decline, they were confined to a very small minority, as in drug addiction, or was never celebrated and normalized, as in drinking alcohol. There was always a counter stance to excessive alcohol consumption and certainly drug use period. That counter stance began to decline with the advent of Blaxploitations movies, or at least they signaled the decline of this counter stance. The pimp, hustle, gangster, drug dealer, hood, thug, whore, etc. started to become normalized, and legitimized in Black culture. The Black Church, which was the moral compass of our people, began to be supplanted, by youth/popular culture. Youth/pop culture began to take over western culture, not long after the advent of the Industrial Revolution. As another adage goes, anything that negatively impacts America, will doubly, if not more, negatively impact us. This is true for youth/pop culture. Today hip-hop is the face of Black culture. The Civil Rights movement along with the Church, use to be what represented us the most. Even non-Christians would use the standards of the Church to regulate their own actions. This erosion of standards has culminated in this new stance that everyone seems to be ignoring. There has been a 360 degree shift in how we view us killing one another. Where in the 80's hip-hop had the stop the violence movement or campaign, today many, even in hip-hop say Black on Black crime, which really speaks mostly to the killing and physical assaulting of one another, is "not a thing". No one said this prior to recently, and now we are acting as if, this has always been our stance. Why is this happening? Why does it seem I'm the only one asking for an explanation, at least, for this shift? Why does it not deserve as much scrutiny as discussions like the n-word and who we are, and what we should call ourselves, or even the attention given to the 'bad-messaging-phrase', "defund the police"? This is denial of reality and much like Trumpism. The Degruys among us should be the ones leading the discussion of what this shift means. It speaks to a state of mind that we need understanding of. If they don't do it, who will? Who is better qualified to do it? We need focused well thought-out, and coordinated discussion, planning, and actions. The present haphazard approach is no different than what we have been doing over the last half century or more. This is anything but a reset, and making sure things don't remain the same. How can we not go back, if we are not doing the necessary and basic things needed to move forward? How long will we continue to ignore a reasonable arguments? What does it say about us? How long do we think we can hide from reason? How long do we think we can continue to live in denial of what we know we have to do and change to improve the lot of us as a group, before we have a true reckoning forced upon us? We still don't get. I hate to imagine what it might take to make us acknowledge the truth and what is right.
Reparations are not based on need, not based on income at all. That thought comes from a perceived division, this is a part of mind control. The longer we accept those reasons for division, the further away we get from an agreement. When you become content that the few that slipped through a cesspool of complacency covers Black achievements. Sleeping: in crime, jails, drugs, and blithe, that sleeping is portrayed in the poppy field in the wizard of oz. Your guest seems so torn apart on the inside, he can hardly get his words out.
As always I leatn and enjoy the show. I am a senior and am Not familiar with those sites mentioned but would like to get a be the Healing tshirt, please advise. Can you put a link on youtube? thanks!
Funneling money into schools for the community IS great as PART of reparations. HOWEVER, what about older adults no longer in schools, and what about CHILDREN of parents whom were CHEATED out of their properties (via heritage)
Right now, this is the time for all of those forerunners who have done the work for all these generations to come to a resolution to present the final draft today. Make that knowledge public, show the research papers before this time of explosive change ends. The people who have experienced the impact of the horrific disgrace of enslavement have to come to an agreement. It appears that we do not have the intelligence to defend ourselves or make a congruent document thesis statement about our human rights which we all will benefit from having. While others have achieved that in their constitution.
I love Dr Joy degruy but this guy she bought on does not know what he's talking about. This conversation would have been so much better if Antonio Moore or Yvette Carnell or William Sandy Darity was included in the conversation. This was a missed opportunity. Too much frivolous rambling and beating around the bush. I'm still waiting on him to answer the question
@@antp1900 Because they would run the risk of alienating their little intellectual click.. I don't think people realize how much push back MLK and other civil rights got from most other ADOS (and the intellectual class) before he was slain.
Reparations must be fulfilled by the US Government for slavery & all the badges & incidents of slavery. The debt is from 1776-PRESENT owed to ALL AMERICAN FREEDMEN (descendants of persons enslaved in the USA)
#CutTheCheck and give me separation. You cannot have my 💘 anymore. Not saying I'll carry the same hate you have for me. Too much a burden. Free to go whole in the 🌎. No more chances to kill me legally. NO MORE GENOCIDAL HOMOCIDAL FRIENDS AND AQUAINTANCES.
I think because we were originally dependent upon by this country to build it, we cannot ask anyone but ourselves to lead, build and govern this sick country back to health. We possess the cures and the solutions, but because WS systems are put in place to present the false belief of a superior enemy, our enemies are very dull and weak when it comes to solving problems. So we have to bee a part of the hierarchy of the solutions to how and what is needed for reparations to work. Ask Harriet Tubman...😉she found a way!
If one of the goals or by products of reparation is, in many people's mind, to eliminate the economic gap among races, then how is that going to be achieved if it is true that ninety-eight or so percent of the wealth is owned by two or so percent of the people, and nothing is done to get the majority of the wealth out of so few of the people's hands"? The same money gotten from reparations, if all else remains the same, will be used to pay back the money we gave ourselves, out of our tax dollars. How long will it take any wealth reparations might represent to find its way back to the owners of most of the nation's wealth? We are not being realistic about this issue, if we think reparations will make that big of a difference in our lives. Some of us are in a better position and better prepared to make the most of what it does offer, but many are not. I would argue too many are not.
There are still some words that I see some are still in fear of saying, not this particular platform per se but the discussion has been going around, cash reparations, not through section 8 not to welfare and not college finance, these are things that are not cash reparations, we want to see them take responsibility more likely than anything, but just in case there is fear to say the cash part added to reparations. Here I will said it for you, cash reparations! cash reparations! cash reparations! Economical resources that are tangible also, the money would mean well for us bcuz we can build our thriving black communities that was once bombed,, 33 black thriving communities were bomb, Tulsa Oklahoma is a popular one, but like she said for a long time we couldn't even say the word racism, but that word I think people fear saying is Cash reparations, being compensated correctly we talking at least 200,000 payments monthly until we hit 5 million or either one lump sum of 5 million per individual for each black person over the age of 18 for the 46 million blacks in America. But I am very comfortable with saying cash reparation.
Reparations to me would like a flower blooming with no limitations. I’m not ashamed or afraid to feel something. A battle worth fighting and a battle worth being compensated. We keep our heart but free our mind.
This man was not trying to state the reality of what reparations need to look like. He was beating around the bush a lot with all those anecdotal stories. He didn't answer your question Dr. Joy DeGruy. We have to appreciate the scholars in our community but honestly as an elder he don't sound ready to demand what we are owed! He has a very "liberal" institutionalized perspective and approach to reprimanding White America.
Yes although he got a dose in this park..he was spared a whole lot lots of pain I myself have felt. I believe he's too soft for something so serious. Experience being the best teacher...we need to here more than just a diagnosis prognosis from "our men" of experience not just academics. (Put mildly)
Just him reading about it in archives has him sputtering and studdering. Smh.
@@kimjones8824 these academic runarounds usually deflect from the reality of white man's law via the doctrine of discovery and the military savagery . we Nonwhite people refuse to train combatives of multitude of skill to replicate/execute the same means that Europeans( now self classified as White) used/use to take and secure Nonwhite people globally and the entire planet/ universe. I say universe due to them colonizing space and declaring it as the newest warzone. As for a conversation about reparations... she only needs to talk to Dr. Claude anderson on that. He's the only one that has put his own money and filed continuous lawsuits to move the issue for over 12 yes straight.
Cut the CHECK/LAND/HEALTHCARE This so called historian was definitely not the man for this!
the term “people of color” does not belong in a conversation about reparations. cmon guys. please be serious.
Facts!!!!!
Exactly, that was super annoying!
@@viflower3502 Black Americans descendants of slavery.
American Freedmen
@@MichaelJordan-hb5kk wrong again. not all freedman were descendants of slavery. do your homework
CUT THAT CHECK ADOS
Great discussion.
Not enough credit is given to both Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore igniting a national discussion about Reparations for ADOS.
While the articles and books mentioned were great conversation starters within intimate circles, if honesty is being adhered to, then again, the work that Dr. William Darity, Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore have done should be acknowledged.
FACTS!
Where is Yvette Carnel and Antonio Moore contributing in this conversation..?
Drs can you have this same conversation with Dr Sandy Darity and Kirsten Mullen. We have to come out of this old thinking. I love what your dad said to you. I did this for you. We have to pass this sentiment forward.
If ADOS brought the conversation of reperations to the forefront, even to the Presidential debate stage, why weren't Antonio Moore or Yvette Carnell invited to this forum? They are doing the work above anyone.
Because they didn't do what you claim, and the government will never respond to their most vocal arguments about reparations, because they are irrelevant. No one groups speaks for all of those, who are due reparations from the U.S. we are not a nation of people nor one with any apparatus to come to a consensus that would represent the majority will of us, beyond the government setting up an election for us. Many of us would likely respond to that, if it were to happen, like Trump supporters - not believing that they loss the election. The vast majority of us have not even seriously, if at all, considered reparations. The two you mentioned don't need this forum, if this can even be called a forum. Most who spend a considerable amount of time on this issue, have their own forums. That is why there got to speak before Congress and the two you speak of did not. The others were known for having a track record and had already established relationships with members of congress around this issue.
@@siriuslyspeaking9720 Huh?
@@americanlady738 This is an edit to my post : Because they didn't do what you claim, and the government will never respond to their most vocal arguments about reparations, because they are irrelevant. No one groups speaks for all of those, who are due reparations from the U.S.. We are not a nation of people, nor one with any apparatus that allows us to come to a consensus, that would represent the majority will of the group. To reach that kind of consensus, the government would have to set up special elections for us to vote on reparations proposals. The indigenous Americans have a governmental structure of their own, that allows them to make collective decisions, that all of their people willingly recognize and respect. This system officially represents them as a group. What form of self governance do we have? As divided as we are around isms and lifestyles, I'm not sure the government setting up special elections to determine the forms reparation will take would satisfy us. Many of us would likely respond to the results, as Trump and his supporters reacted to the recent election. Many of us would not believe the results were accurate, and or simply would not accept them. This would continue the present state of disunity among us. The vast majority of us have not even seriously, if at all, considered reparations. The two you mentioned - Carnell and Moore - don't need this forum. Most who spend a considerable amount of time on this issue, have their own forums. They got to speak before Congress and Carnell and Moore likely did not, because they have long had forums, and were known for having a track record of working on this issue, and had already established relationships with members of Congress around this issue. Instead of Carnell and Moore joining already existing efforts, they choice to do their own thing and attempt to reinvent the wheel, so to speak. Their style of presentation does not help their efforts. They create specious arguments in a tone that is obviously counter productive to their stated goals. I hope this is more understandable to you, then what I previously wrote. May I ask - what is 'family lineage therapy'?
@@siriuslyspeaking9720 that sounds like misinformation bring spouted by a jealous person. You're jealous because ADOS has advanced reperations for American Chattle Slavery further than any organization ever has. We don't need you wanting to be in the spotlight. It's not about you. ADOS is about collective uplift, not your frail attention grabbing ego.
@@RThom1000 To speak of who advanced the issue is ego tripping. If it is really about collective, that would require unity, which they acting contrary to from the start. The refusal to address legitimate criticisms speaks for itself.
Read "From Here to Equity: Reparations for Black Americans in the Twenty First Century " by William Darity and Kirsten Mullen. I was hoping for a more in depth conversation on Slavery, Jim Crow, and on going racism and discrimination reparations from the esteemed panel. I was also hoping for information on the family lineage therapy that will part of our reparations packages & policy prescriptions.
These people act like they have wealth of white people, you people are dilirous
My Navy experience was a struggle, but I knew I had to endure for myself and my family. Thank God he allowed me to make it.
Thank you for your service. My grandfather was is the Navy when the only thing they let us do was cook and clean. I'm sure they have evolved some but not much. Please take advantage of all of the veterans benefit programs they blocked us from. So many before you earned them but couldn't use them. Stay safe.
@@ibeerollin4441Thank you, and will do.
Im surprise people do not mention Antonio Moore and Yvette Carnell when speaking about reparations more. ADOS is leading the reparations conversation.
I concur.
The 400 is years are up. God is getting ready to move on our behalf and no one can stop Him. Thanks for your forums and ENLIGHTENMENT!! 👁️👁️
God bless and happy New Year to you all.
I believe he has started!
My God we are the very fabric that stabilizes the continuance of this country from shore to shore. We are the native black children of whom our black ancestors toiled and bled building this place. America owes us our inheritance. All others are capitalizing and striping our lives for their gain by still reaping the fruits of our communities for their gain and their children's gain. Give us what 8s due us!
Amen..110% This Christian nation is about answer for its hypocrisy with Christianity and the US Constitution.
A level of exhaustion for African Americans. So poetically spoken. Love you sister🙏
OMG! My grandfather was also in the Navy. He died in 2012 at the age of 87. I visited the USS North Carolina in 2019 for my birthday. I scoured that entire ship for one photo of any black seamen or sailor. When I found the plaquard (on the second to last level at the bottom I may add) and then found out blacks had no rank & were just servants in uniform & were restricted from specific areas of the ship, my heart broke for him & so many other black men & women who served our country. They were treated & mistreated the same away from home just as they were in the United States . . . shameful! Now I know why he never liked to speak of his time in the Navy!
@Shy Bunnie my grandfather was also a servant in the Navy. I have often reminded my children every time we see a black "first" it comes on the back of so many that had to eat crap, swallow their pride and survive. That is not to say that the first accomplishment isn't important. It is to remind everyone of the sacrifices our ancestors had to make and the hardship they endured for that first to occur.
@@ibeerollin4441 Yes! I agree we had to eat crap just to stay sane, to not give up on what was necessary to be human being in a country where we are still marginalized and devalued. As a result, I am still afraid for my people because we are still in the struggle for our humanity.
My heart goes to them,our ppl deserve so much for all the abuse America is responsible for😥😔😰😢😡
I want to see unity in all the organizations that are about reparations come to a place of implementation.
I'm so excited for the talks to learn more and yet, we need to put the demand forward to the right people for results.
This is an excellent discussion. It's so nice to listen to people on the internet that speaks about Americas human development which is Critical Race injustice that have the intellectual expertise and mastery that speaks truth to the powers and Dr. Joy DeGruy is one of the very few scholars today doing that. Your work is phenomenal and greatly needed today to heel this nations psychosis. Thank YOU! Dr. Joy. I bought your book and enjoy it greatly and enjoy seeing and hearing you and your guest regularly.
I appreciate this conversation and love the way Dr. DeGruy dissects white supremacy and breaks down PTSD, but I'm tired of talking about the legitimacy of reparations, the questioning of it, and so on and so on and so on. How do we get it? Cut the check!
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Greetings, Dr. Joy, Bahia, and Dr. Robinson. Finally, we are having this history that answers why and what Reparations are a must. It was never about us it wasn't working for us, It has to be restructured. Policing, military, now the fire departments the "SYSTEMS" keeping me in bondage was their origin. On this island /country called Bermuda is the statement out loud in your face, but, it is overlooked, what happened on the colony than that led to the blacks being the majority that has ruled politically for 40 years now. I have not received any assistance on this island /country as a retired aged person. It is s a colony. Thank you so very much.
Have you inquired how Caricom - reparations for the British West Indies, will reach individuals like yourself?
I would have graffiti: "This POS mentality will die a cruel death"
As painful as it is to read the book: "The Reckoning," by Randall Robinson says most of this existing cycle of Black Malaise due to the division that Black people impose upon themselves.
Yes its programmed/ingrained since childhood. Damages of the mental of non cohesion due to Willie Lynch.
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@@kimjones8824 If past trauma can be passed down through genes, and is damaging, how much more damaging is the constant/continuous stress and trauma that a particular demographic of us experience everyday? Life itself is stressful and traumatic, at various times and to various levels. How we to gauge trauma's impact on us, when we all are different? Where is the serious practical therapeutic treatment for this condition, that so many want to validate? Psychotherapy seems to be the new in thing for Black people, but how can it work, when we show so many sign of being in denial and not willing to be honest with ourselves? Will it all just amount to us feeding our narcissist tendency - the need to make ourselves the center of the universe and put words to that idea?
How can we witness the shift in attitude and stance among significant numbers of us, regarding the rate of homicides and assaults we commit on each other? Why does it seem that we are acting like this new stance, that us killing one another is "not a thing", when back in the 80's hip-hop had the stop the violence campaign, and no one ever said it was wrong to even talk about it in public.
Prominent people who are considered leaders take this stance today, and we are not asking the questions why this change, and what does it mean? I will reply to this post with my thoughts on this whole issue, and hope Degruy or someone of her stature will begin the nationwide discussion of this puzzling phenomenon. I think some group psychological occurrence is happening here, and if we refuse to acknowledge it, we are basically gas-lighting ourselves and engaging in the same can of denial of reality that happens with much of Trumpism.
To say that Black on Black crime does not exist is like saying high blood pressure, diabetes, drug addiction, bad male/female relationships, and all the other problems we have, don't exist or don't matter, because all people experience them. The point is, that we of all people can least afford to not attend to correct things, that make our situation worst, but are things we can control. That should not be difficult to understand. Why were no Black people saying "Blacks killing one another is not a thing", when hip-hop had the stop the violence campaign or movement in the 80's? This is a 360 degree turnaround, and we are acting like this current dismissive and indifferent attitude, has always been our position.
Anti-violence efforts by community members have been going on in cities like Chicago for decades. Many of us certainly see it as a problem, and have always shown active concern about it. This is gas-lighting ourselves - and denying reality. It makes a joke of the popular sayings, like keeping it real, being conscious, being woke, 100, and "facts". They all proclaim a high degree of clear thinking and honesty. To say that us killing one another is comparable to that of the general killing of people by people, living in close proximity, is like comparing apples to oranges. Most or a very significant number of the killings among us, are a systemic, predictable and centralized form of killing, by an easily identifiable demographic. This is totally different from the random/unpredictable act of crimes of passion.
The nature of the killings have changed over the half century or so. Today children, women, elders, and innocent people in general, are victims in this systemic and centralized violence, and many are done in more heinous ways than before. This was not the case when homicides first became so prevalent a half century or so ago. Can anyone argue that the impact of violence does not have a greater negative impact on our communities, than it does in others? Have we forgotten the wisdom of the saying "when America catches a cold, we get pneumonia"? Some seem to be perplexed that someone would criticize them and point out that to say "no one talks about other people killing themselves, and that people kill people they live near" is a false equivalence.
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We constantly wail against a system of oppression, and will even talk of all manner of conspiracies against us, even ones to destroy Black boys. Many of us speak rhetorically about the near extinction of the Black male adult. With us showing all of this concern, how can we, and why do we, now express such unconcern about such a serious threat to our people's well being?
This argument wouldn't stand up in a debate among middle school students, yet not only hip-hop artist say this - (acting as if they never knew of the hip-hop anti-violence movement of the 80's and the song 'Were Headed For Self Destruction') - Black intellectuals like Michael Eric Dyson, who is like a front man for hip-hop, also take this new stance. Dyson even goes so far as to say, to talk about it, "makes us look pathological". I have never seen or heard anyone White person of prominence, direct the term pathological toward Black people in public. I can't even recall ever hearing of it. Of course the same can be expressed other ways, but I've never heard it put bluntly as Dyson and some other Black people have said it.
It is ironic that Dyson would say this, as he may be the author of, or at least the one person most responsible for the popularity of the concept of "respectability politics. They mistakenly apply this to this question of us killing one another. The notion that if a Black person just conducts themselves in an exemplary manner, White people will respect us and treat us fairly, is the way they define this concept. They seem to publically, categorically associate any calls from Black people to act in a respectful manner as, practicing respectability politics. I say publically because I know they demand their children to act respectfully and responsibly. In doing this, they show a lack of respect, for us in general, and the people who would benefit the most, from having a healthy regard for themselves and others particularly. They do this for what - social/political reasons? Are not all our people worthy of being expected to be held responsible for basic social standards? Is this not itself, a form of dehumanization?
They say those of us who talk about the need for us to re-establish standards of behavior do so, because we are worried about how White people view us. They say "a White person don't care whether you wear a suit or have your pants down on your behind. They will still treat you like an n-word". This statement in itself is an insult. Who among us don't know that a racist don't need an excuse to hate us? The prime beneficiary of us having self respect and regard for our own lives, would be those of us who currently do not have this outlook. The rest of us would benefit secondarily. Society as a whole, would be the last to benefit from this. Doing so would directly save Black lives, and this in their minds, is secondary to what? To say that we shouldn't talk about it and to associate it with pathology, says to me that they are the ones worried about how other people see us, and that a perception of us held by others, is more important than something that will actually save lives.
@@kimjones8824 ..and then it became entrenched in the culture to such a point, became the culture.
Yah shalom meshpaca💜 in our elders tongue.
They also got our families wealth, starting in 1500 the Spanish Inquisition. Then they came to our mainland and took control of all our land, while lying and saying we are from Africa. I love Africa, however this is my peoples land!
I love your work, very informative and inspiring..... thank you
I listened to the podcast "Black History Year," I was surprised at how many groups have researched and taken charge of making a case for reparations. Dr. William Darity makes a dynamic show of the research and a profound legal stance.
It has been ongoing, contrary to some late to the issue may think or say. DeGruy praised Coates on hi 2014 Atlantic article, but he wrote that article because it was already being talked about. Obama had to address the issue during his 2008 presidential campaign. The issue had been dealt with respectfully up until recently. People are making it more complex that what it is, and it was already complex since it was not dealt with when it should have been.
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Appreciative of this conversation. Wondering what this conversation would be today since the reparations conversation has progressed socially & legislatively
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Love y’all !! Powerful content
This was a "feel good" enjoyable conversation which I enjoyed with very little info or insight about implementing a regime for reparations imo. Dr Degruy and daughter usually "bring it" a good bit better.
Great conversation! I thank your Dad, Dr. Joy, for giving you the baton to finish the race. Dr. Robinson, I'm a NY'er and in the South for almost 20 years and I'm glad my accent has never left me. LOL!! Thank you all so much for your hearts in the matter of our people.
Loved loved loved this one. Dr Robinson was a joy.
🤚🏾I don't think it should be solely based on individual needs. Because its a specific and universal debt owed.the CEO Bob Johnson needs to receive as much as OG Bobby Johnson. Along with policies, trusts etc. Its a necessity to ensure our wholeness in America 🇺🇸.
Wow... This system was never built for us..., so it must be taken apart and we have to be inserted in the system in order for it to work for US...Beaming
You people are professional people, and you people need to talk to sandie Darity
Bahia, that example you used of the Twilight Zone, Beauty Is In The Eye Of The Beholder, is perfect. That's how I felt growing up in this country. 😅😂
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I believe that first we must receive the reparations into the black owned institutions. Banks, real estate, education, church to be accountable for dispensaries. Family leadership per household will go through classes to help them learn how to create wealth. Families across the board should receive a base amount for initial payment of half million, then annual payments of half million. Maybe, it will come close to what they owe us. Hopefully, the blacks can pull themselves up from their own boot straps because then they will be able to buy some boots.
At 31:40 Degruy says her parents told her "she had to be twice as good to get to fair". I believe the most common form of this old saying is that "we have to be twice as good to get ahead". I extend that logic to add that we have to be twice as good to ourselves, considering we are so despised and hated. The Compensatory Code.... that Neeley Fuller Jr. created, and that he and the late Dr. Francis Cress Welshing and he advocated we use to counter the impact of systemic racism, is consistent with this old adage. Part of it mentions how we should view and treat ourselves and each other. It seems apparent that when we stopped valuing this way of thinking and viewing our situation, progress began to drastically decline. Although vices like alcoholism and drug addiction were around prior to this decline, they were confined to a very small minority, as in drug addiction, or was never celebrated and normalized, as in drinking alcohol. There was always a counter stance to excessive alcohol consumption and certainly drug use period. That counter stance began to decline with the advent of Blaxploitations movies, or at least they signaled the decline of this counter stance. The pimp, hustle, gangster, drug dealer, hood, thug, whore, etc. started to become normalized, and legitimized in Black culture. The Black Church, which was the moral compass of our people, began to be supplanted, by youth/popular culture. Youth/pop culture began to take over western culture, not long after the advent of the Industrial Revolution. As another adage goes, anything that negatively impacts America, will doubly, if not more, negatively impact us. This is true for youth/pop culture. Today hip-hop is the face of Black culture. The Civil Rights movement along with the Church, use to be what represented us the most. Even non-Christians would use the standards of the Church to regulate their own actions. This erosion of standards has culminated in this new stance that everyone seems to be ignoring. There has been a 360 degree shift in how we view us killing one another. Where in the 80's hip-hop had the stop the violence movement or campaign, today many, even in hip-hop say Black on Black crime, which really speaks mostly to the killing and physical assaulting of one another, is "not a thing". No one said this prior to recently, and now we are acting as if, this has always been our stance. Why is this happening? Why does it seem I'm the only one asking for an explanation, at least, for this shift? Why does it not deserve as much scrutiny as discussions like the n-word and who we are, and what we should call ourselves, or even the attention given to the 'bad-messaging-phrase', "defund the police"? This is denial of reality and much like Trumpism. The Degruys among us should be the ones leading the discussion of what this shift means. It speaks to a state of mind that we need understanding of. If they don't do it, who will? Who is better qualified to do it? We need focused well thought-out, and coordinated discussion, planning, and actions. The present haphazard approach is no different than what we have been doing over the last half century or more. This is anything but a reset, and making sure things don't remain the same. How can we not go back, if we are not doing the necessary and basic things needed to move forward? How long will we continue to ignore a reasonable arguments? What does it say about us? How long do we think we can hide from reason? How long do we think we can continue to live in denial of what we know we have to do and change to improve the lot of us as a group, before we have a true reckoning forced upon us? We still don't get. I hate to imagine what it might take to make us acknowledge the truth and what is right.
Reparations are not based on need, not based on income at all. That thought comes from a perceived division, this is a part of mind control. The longer we accept those reasons for division, the further away we get from an agreement. When you become content that the few that slipped through a cesspool of complacency covers Black achievements. Sleeping: in crime, jails, drugs, and blithe, that sleeping is portrayed in the poppy field in the wizard of oz. Your guest seems so torn apart on the inside, he can hardly get his words out.
As always I leatn and enjoy the show. I am a senior and am Not familiar with those sites mentioned but would like to get a be the Healing tshirt, please advise. Can you put a link on youtube? thanks!
Funneling money into schools for the community IS great as PART of reparations. HOWEVER, what about older adults no longer in schools, and what about CHILDREN of parents whom were CHEATED out of their properties (via heritage)
It's also the responsibility of the school's Principal to apply for Title 1 funds
Would you speak on our network
Right now, this is the time for all of those forerunners who have done the work for all these generations to come to a resolution to present the final draft today. Make that knowledge public, show the research papers before this time of explosive change ends. The people who have experienced the impact of the horrific disgrace of enslavement have to come to an agreement. It appears that we do not have the intelligence to defend ourselves or make a congruent document thesis statement about our human rights which we all will benefit from having. While others have achieved that in their constitution.
I love Dr Joy degruy but this guy she bought on does not know what he's talking about. This conversation would have been so much better if Antonio Moore or Yvette Carnell or William Sandy Darity was included in the conversation. This was a missed opportunity. Too much frivolous rambling and beating around the bush. I'm still waiting on him to answer the question
That would be the DREAM TEAM.
Why are these people scared of having a real discussion with Dr.Darity or Yvette and Tone talk
@@antp1900 Because they would run the risk of alienating their little intellectual click.. I don't think people realize how much push back MLK and other civil rights got from most other ADOS (and the intellectual class) before he was slain.
@@antp1900 I think parallax jit it on the head. We're blacklisted. When you doing real work you get internal and external attacks.
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80s baby I say I have never felt like quit America nor God.
Yeah Bruh, I'm from Buffalo...You got that New York Accent...lol
Reparations must be fulfilled by the US Government for slavery & all the badges & incidents of slavery. The debt is from 1776-PRESENT owed to ALL AMERICAN FREEDMEN (descendants of persons enslaved in the USA)
Defunding the police 🤔who would address rapist? Serial killers? Molesters? Defunding really doesn’t make sense does it!
#CutTheCheck and give me separation. You cannot have my 💘 anymore.
Not saying I'll carry the same hate you have for me. Too much a burden.
Free to go whole in the 🌎. No more chances to kill me legally.
NO MORE GENOCIDAL HOMOCIDAL FRIENDS AND AQUAINTANCES.
I think because we were originally dependent upon by this country to build it, we cannot ask anyone but ourselves to lead, build and govern this sick country back to health. We possess the cures and the solutions, but because WS systems are put in place to present the false belief of a superior enemy, our enemies are very dull and weak when it comes to solving problems. So we have to bee a part of the hierarchy of the solutions to how and what is needed for reparations to work. Ask Harriet Tubman...😉she found a way!
If one of the goals or by products of reparation is, in many people's mind, to eliminate the economic gap among races, then how is that going to be achieved if it is true that ninety-eight or so percent of the wealth is owned by two or so percent of the people, and nothing is done to get the majority of the wealth out of so few of the people's hands"? The same money gotten from reparations, if all else remains the same, will be used to pay back the money we gave ourselves, out of our tax dollars. How long will it take any wealth reparations might represent to find its way back to the owners of most of the nation's wealth? We are not being realistic about this issue, if we think reparations will make that big of a difference in our lives. Some of us are in a better position and better prepared to make the most of what it does offer, but many are not. I would argue too many are not.
There are still some words that I see some are still in fear of saying, not this particular platform per se but the discussion has been going around, cash reparations, not through section 8 not to welfare and not college finance, these are things that are not cash reparations, we want to see them take responsibility more likely than anything, but just in case there is fear to say the cash part added to reparations. Here I will said it for you, cash reparations! cash reparations! cash reparations! Economical resources that are tangible also, the money would mean well for us bcuz we can build our thriving black communities that was once bombed,, 33 black thriving communities were bomb, Tulsa Oklahoma is a popular one, but like she said for a long time we couldn't even say the word racism, but that word I think people fear saying is Cash reparations, being compensated correctly we talking at least 200,000 payments monthly until we hit 5 million or either one lump sum of 5 million per individual for each black person over the age of 18 for the 46 million blacks in America. But I am very comfortable with saying cash reparation.
I can't listen to this conversation its so called , class Baseblackness
No repararations, if you do get them I should get the land that was stolen from us Mexicans!