My dad was Navy. He used to say "life is an education. Some lessons cost more than others" I hope all service personnel and civies can take this as a lesson well worth what it taught us. My dad would be proud of them. Thank you ❤
Here’s why Sal is one of the best sources for maritime news: he can make a quick video (while on vacation!) about the current news and his analysis is deep, thoughtful and informative. Truly a subject matter expert.
It wasn't meant to work to begin with, optics from the word go. Israel was convinced they'd be done with Hamas in a few weeks so this would counterbalance the terrible PR problem of providing them with the war msterial they were using on civilians. Senior military brass may have seen it as an opportunity for realistic training & recognition from political masters.
@@medfadlakmedfadlak2288 what’s worse, it was only for one news cycle. Now there’s not even an attempt to reflect on why/whether it was wrong to begin with. Biden has had much more important news cycles to worry about.
This wouldn't be the first time that a government agency intentionally deployed a known-to-be-weak resource to demonstrate the need for more attention & funding.
That is giving them more credit than they deserve. I think the decision was made that no boots shall touch the ground, and it all went downhill from there.
This kind of stuff scares me. As a civilian logistician and someone who wrote his thesis on military logistics ahead of ODS vs. OIF, it pains me seeing the universality of how low logistics is on the totem pole, yet how necessary it is to overall success. I hope we learn a lot of lessons from this, because someday we may need to do this in a war, and we need to have equipment that works and people who know how to do everything.
In 1968 at Camp Vayama in Thailand, the Army was using a DeLong pier at the munitions port. I actually graduated from the US Army's Transportation school at Ft Eustis harbor craft boatswains program. We trained on LCM8, LCU, Small Tugs and Large tugs.
One big point of failure was the whole "help the enemy" situation. I can bet that in any other war, attempts to supply the enemy would be similarly challenged. The logic says, defeat the enemy and subdue all resistance, then you can help the non-combatant civilian population. The enemy is still there, to this day. Smoke and mirrors, unclear goals and targets, this gets soldiers killed.
If you want to know what's going on with all things related to ships and systems, Sal is the go-to source. You won't hear anything like his analysis on the "mainstream media" who bring in "experts" to talk about issues. Thank you Sal, for putting complex issues clearly even for those who haven't been to sea in anything bigger than a ferry!!!!!
Ryan McBeth sent me here. I’d heard about JLOTS but wasn’t aware of the specifics or the constraints. Your experience with maritime and military logistics really shines through. Awesome summary!
McBeth is 1000% awesome. Though there does seem to be a different outlook between you about the place of logistics in the armed forces - where you view it at the bottom and he says that the "army is a logistics operation that happen to dabbles in combat" (paraphrasing). I'm not trying to "catch" either of you or say either is "wrong" - just interested in the difference in perspective! Also maybe you've already discussed it somewhere and I'm not just not aware. Of course also appreciate the video, which was very interesting!
Once again a situation where someone, at a high level, "gets a good idea" without a clue of how to do it. It brings to mind the axiom: "There is no task too difficult for those who don't have to do it."
I started out being mightily confused by you stating you were near Vancouver island with a lifeboat with Zaandam and Rotterdam emblazoned on it (both places in the Netherlands, just about the other side of the globe). Apparently the MS Zaandam is a cruiseship owned by the Holland America Line with home port Rotterdam. As to the video, informative as always. Thank you for keeping us updated
Hope you enjoyed some time in Metro Vancouver and checked out some things before sailing to Alaska. Either that or hit it on your way back. I'm not sure Port Metro Vancouver officials realize they have a shipping celebrity influencer rolling through. 😄
My uncle taught me the difference between a ship and a boat. You can put a boat on a ship, but you can’t put a ship on a boat… a very wise old mariner 😊🦅
I've heard that before, but never in any type of official capacity. Even the Navy didn't have an actual definition of the two. One of the ones I liked best was that it depends on if the vessel heals in or out of a turn. Bottomline, it really makes no difference.
Have and do valued you good comments on shipping matters. Thank you. Continue. Your experience adds value and weight to your videos. Enjoying your series on MSC. Fare winds and following seas.
Either Napoleon or Frederick the Great first popularized the idea that logistics matter, and this became the saying, "An army marches on its stomach." Sadly, we keep ignoring that very basic principle.
Thanks for the rundown Professor. This thing was ill conceived from the start. Terrible to put our personnel in harm's way for this cluster of a PR stunt. They should get campaign ribbons for this at least, and other decorations as demonstrated.
@@captainwin6333indeed. This was a capability that we lost. We used to be able to do these things. But through incompetence, mismanagement, lack of care, and the rot that all of this causes, we are in our current situation. This is systemic. It's unlikely to get fixed just because of a few reports.
I still don't understand how all the so called "experts" didn't see this coming. Everyone in those MOS's, Occ Specialties, or civilian jobs, that do this for a living had to have been just totally cringing the entire time. Thinking I TOLD YOU SO! "Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk Logistics"...Omar Bradley
To my fellow army transportation members you guys did as best as you could be proud I am of you. You were set to fail but you still kicked ass. This army transportation veteran is proud of you
From go to woe, i.e. may 17 til june 28, less than 9,000 tonnes of aid went ashore. This was equivalent to ONE day's delivery by trucks pre oct 7. So our suspicions of ulterior motives seem totally justified. The red herring morphed into a white elephant.
wtf is happening in this comment section, well thanks for the information, seems this video got recommended to alot of people that have had their brains rotted by politics and cant even digest the info you provided
Good piece. Ultimately the responsibility is political. It was a window dressing exercise. Zero expectation of success on the part of the initiators from the start.
I'm actually a longshoremen from Prince Rupert B C here, both my grandfather's were longshoremen 👊😎👍.nice work, good job I love it, wish I could be there
Good video, I was at ACB-ONE for 2 years working with causeways, back then we had what was called ELCAS, elevated causeway system, basically we could drive steel pilings into the bottom and elevate the entire causeway system out of the water, designed for rough water areas.
Even at the command level, you work with the tools you have, not the tools that you would like to have. This will be a lesson for why we weren’t doing it before, long before.
When I was a Marine assigned to the USS's Peleliu's ship's company working on support equipment I would call it a boat just to annoy my coworkers. Navy guys hate hearing boat.
The US Navy generally refers to subs as boats, and the Air Wing calls the carrier a boat. I found one explanation that the difference if if the vessel heals in or out when turning. Bottomline, I have never found any concrete difference in the definition of either boat or ship.
Actually... I was saying "when does this friggin movie end?" After the movie, I swore not to countenance any production with Decaprio in it ever again.
The poor sods who had to make it work will not be acknowledged in any way that counts. Meanwhile, there will be promotions and back slapping much higher up.
thanks for taking time to make this, seems like the understanding of JLOTS capabilities and limitations was not well understood at the joint chief level.
When these assets left the states , I remarked that this was doomed to failure from the start..pontoons have a poor record of success and the Med can cut up rough. I was the beach master for the Royal Marines for three years and have watched all the failures of this sort of evolution. The staffing of this was chaotic and without a hope.
Or you, those who would maintain it would have to be Gazans... and while great at buildings underground... When it comes to infrastructure, they are 'better' at pulling it out. Rather than maintain.
I get it! It was not a crew issue. They don’t know that the civilians will see the bad decisions so they need to shape up. We look so dumb. Love to you. Hope you and your family had a good vacation. ❤❤❤❤
Unfortunately, our government hasnt learned anything, nor has the Navy or the Army. The US Mariner and their jobs are in intensive care and on a very old ventilator. In the 30's to come, US mariners will be akin to Namibian mariner numbers. We are dying as an industry.
Multiple failures. But most of the blame belongs to the Pentagon. The Secretary on down. CJCS (not chain of command but undoubtedly involved), Regional commander and staff. Army and staff. What happened to PLANNING (not mentioned)? And most of all, who got fired?!? This is a microcosm of the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Embarrassing. Compare it to a much, much more challenging resupply mission, the Berlin Airlift. Massive tactical, operational, and strategic success against all odds. The President and NSC does not do planning and execution. They frankly don’t know scheisse. But nobody in today’s Pentagon hierarchy is in charge, accountable, and aggressive. Who got fired for Afghanistan?!? And nobody will be fired for this one, either. No accountability and oversight means incompetence, fraud, and failure. And it cannot be fixed unless and until individual humans in the chain of command are held accountable. 🇺🇸
Yes, but the women can now get tax payer abortions and the men can get tax payer money to pay for their sex change operations. Sounds like the Pentagon is doing a fabulous job at doing everything except fighting a war. 🤣
Solid facts. I had a tutor who was part of the ground distribution side of the Berlin Airlift, and hearing about it from someone who was there was impressive. I later knew a German lady who was one of the children receiving food from it, and her stories from that time were impressive.
Sorry, not understanding why you think a few sex change operations somehow caused the brass to make a bad decision to deploy this pier to a place it was designed for. Your evidence for this connection?
@@danielgreer9811 Maybe _you_ should go watch the first video he did on this; this was _not_ fit for purpose in the first place, and everyone involved knew it. There were better things, but they aren't available through the military at this time.
It was a matter of a politician deciding how to employ a capability/system. Not the competence of the guys/gals on the ground. Like me trying to tell a doctor what to do with a patient.
Welcome to the Modern Military Logistics Systems. If it needs done it get contracted. How else will those defense contractors make money? Meant to be a tad bit tongue-in-cheek but the truth hurts.
This operation was ill-conceived from the very beginning. Even superficial data from history would demonstrate that these attempts to provide supplies to/on a beach are very problematic at best. I am a Navy vet (aviation) and this is not my area of expertise, but even I believed this was more of a political demonstration than a prudent plan. It should have been obvious at the start that even moderate sea states would have been a major challenge. Moreover, the risk to the personnel were potentially very serious, and seemed to have been dismissed; it was very fortunate that there were not significant casualties. Where was the thinking on the part of the DOD in this boondoggle? Are they as indifferent or thoughtless as they seemed to be? Do we learn anything from the past? Very depressing story.
I enjoy your channel and what you have done with the JLOTS and explaining it. The LCU-2000 went through a Service life extension. The Wilson Wharf hasn't done that yet. The vessel I sailed to Israel and one other LCU had the SLEP done. The SLEP vessel towed the Wilson Warf to the Canaries. The Caterpillar engines performed outstanding. The SLEP paid off. The Soldiers kicked ass in their performance. We did not fail. We travelled across the Atlantic, established a pier and delivered over 20 million pounds of humanitarian aid. I think the one thing missing from the news, your reporting, and all the other reporting is what is the definition of success in a JLOTS mission. Were there issues, expected and unexpected? Yes. Did we overcome those? Yes. Have we seen all those issues before in training? Yes. We know how to do it, adapt to changing situations, and get the job done. Sorry if it seems a bit angry but I was there and was with the Soldiers. I will defend them. Again, I love your channel and you have done a good job reporting but I think there is more to what you are saying.
I love an ocean view cabin with an obstructed view. BTW working at the shipyard (for 40 years), we always went down to the boat, be that a submarine or aircraft carrier. Same for all the Navy crew.
. . . because, "Duh." Cargo ships carry cargoes for fucking _reasons!_ _"Why don't all those Chinese exports the U.S. imports just come by trucks on roads, it wouldn't be that hard to build a bridge across the Bering Straight!"_
Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics. If logistics truly is a low priority, that is a damning commentary on the current batch of generals and admirals.
@@Dennis-vh8tz It doesn't put you on the fast track getting a star on your shoulder. No one's paying to watch Top Gun :Maverick. The story of Pete Mitchell; C-130 pilot.
In other, but related news: the US Navy is getting far fewer Officers recruited then it wants. I can't get good info on the quality of Navy officer recruits. Reportedly, the whole US military is short about 45,000.
Well in an cultural environment that does not value traditional American values what do you expect? We are fucked in the next big one. And there will be.
@@user-ex3lo7pk9j these "traditional american values" only exclude people from joining Check out the treatment of black americans during ww1 If you are refering to these "traditional american values"(racism) then dont expect anyone exept the poorest to join
1. It never mattered if it worked. 2. They did something so to them it looked good. 3. Some government contractor made a lot of money so who gives a rats whisker.
Every military that fails to understand and fails to implement logistics fails. It is as real as gravity, and for them to not recognize the absolute indispensable nature of logistics is criminal negligence. There is no environment of conflict or logistics does not play an overwhelmingly, divisive and decisive role. When you outrun your supplies, you stop running in fact you start movingbackwards. This is foolish for the military to not place logistics just behind war fighters.
This isn't military logistics, it was supposed to be humanitarian aid. There has been no issues getting military supplies to Israel. The US is extremely competent at logistics when they want to be.
🚨There is some background noise during parts of the video that was unavoidable.🚨
Appreciate the video while you're on vacation, thanks Sal!
Nice ship you're on, from Holland enjoy your holiday.
@@HarryBeeksma
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Myself, I like background noise; it is like being there, Sal. No problem.
If I don't hear engine and sea noise I think you're on a sound-stage.
it failed due to pier pressure.
zing 😂
Too funny. Need something funny for a change.
Groan.
my dads old ancient motor yacht was named that, I guess because he was a cop
Wahhh wahhh wahhh wahhhhhhahhh lol
Waves? In the ocean? Inconceivable!
My dad was Navy. He used to say "life is an education. Some lessons cost more than others" I hope all service personnel and civies can take this as a lesson well worth what it taught us. My dad would be proud of them. Thank you ❤
Here’s why Sal is one of the best sources for maritime news: he can make a quick video (while on vacation!) about the current news and his analysis is deep, thoughtful and informative. Truly a subject matter expert.
My guess is military personnel told civilians it would not work but civilians said do it for optics
It wasn't meant to work to begin with, optics from the word go. Israel was convinced they'd be done with Hamas in a few weeks so this would counterbalance the terrible PR problem of providing them with the war msterial they were using on civilians. Senior military brass may have seen it as an opportunity for realistic training & recognition from political masters.
The mission was political and never intended to provide humanitarian aid.
agree!
@@medfadlakmedfadlak2288 exactly
@@medfadlakmedfadlak2288 It was all about optics and PR.
@@medfadlakmedfadlak2288 what’s worse, it was only for one news cycle. Now there’s not even an attempt to reflect on why/whether it was wrong to begin with. Biden has had much more important news cycles to worry about.
It can be both. They are not mutually exclusive goals.
Good job, Sal.
A wonderfully informative 'pier reviewed' analysis 🤣
Nice!
This wouldn't be the first time that a government agency intentionally deployed a known-to-be-weak resource to demonstrate the need for more attention & funding.
That is giving them more credit than they deserve.
I think the decision was made that no boots shall touch the ground, and it all went downhill from there.
Mulberry harbours on the Normandy D-Day 6th June 1944 Operation Overlord worked fine.
Federal Government, "We don't need something that works. This is a photo-op."
Sal, you made that point before they stuck that pier out there. You did it in a gentlemanly way you pointed it out this pier was not a good choice.
This kind of stuff scares me. As a civilian logistician and someone who wrote his thesis on military logistics ahead of ODS vs. OIF, it pains me seeing the universality of how low logistics is on the totem pole, yet how necessary it is to overall success. I hope we learn a lot of lessons from this, because someday we may need to do this in a war, and we need to have equipment that works and people who know how to do everything.
It’s hilarious that YT isn't showing likes on this video. They really think we don’t know what's up.
I think someone named Sal may have mentioned a month or so ago, that this was likely to fail since it was not designed for this.
Sounds like a great guy!
about that long ago, also was reported it kept being watched and shot at daily
In 1968 at Camp Vayama in Thailand, the Army was using a DeLong pier at the munitions port.
I actually graduated from the US Army's Transportation school at Ft Eustis harbor craft boatswains program. We trained on LCM8, LCU, Small Tugs and Large tugs.
Again we look like idiots, thank you for addressing this.
One big point of failure was the whole "help the enemy" situation. I can bet that in any other war, attempts to supply the enemy would be similarly challenged. The logic says, defeat the enemy and subdue all resistance, then you can help the non-combatant civilian population. The enemy is still there, to this day. Smoke and mirrors, unclear goals and targets, this gets soldiers killed.
Yes sir. Biden and Harris and the Biden regime are evil
This TH-cam channel is educational, entertaining, and factual, offering humor at times and overall excellent content.
Sometimes the objective is to say that you are doing something as opposed to actually achieving something. (Maybe it wasn’t a failure.)
If you want to know what's going on with all things related to ships and systems, Sal is the go-to source. You won't hear anything like his analysis on the "mainstream media" who bring in "experts" to talk about issues. Thank you Sal, for putting complex issues clearly even for those who haven't been to sea in anything bigger than a ferry!!!!!
I'm surprised they thought it would work without breakwaters
They knew it wouldn't work. The entire operation was for political optics.
Good, old-fashioned SNAFU. Some things never change.
Ryan McBeth sent me here. I’d heard about JLOTS but wasn’t aware of the specifics or the constraints. Your experience with maritime and military logistics really shines through. Awesome summary!
McBeth is 1000% awesome. Though there does seem to be a different outlook between you about the place of logistics in the armed forces - where you view it at the bottom and he says that the "army is a logistics operation that happen to dabbles in combat" (paraphrasing).
I'm not trying to "catch" either of you or say either is "wrong" - just interested in the difference in perspective! Also maybe you've already discussed it somewhere and I'm not just not aware.
Of course also appreciate the video, which was very interesting!
So the whole Gaza pier thing was an exercise in futility, and it was obvious from the get-go to management. I feel for the crews.
Once again a situation where someone, at a high level, "gets a good idea" without a clue of how to do it. It brings to mind the axiom: "There is no task too difficult for those who don't have to do it."
Sal, love your work, thanks for calling out the Pentagon and congress for their role in our failures.
I started out being mightily confused by you stating you were near Vancouver island with a lifeboat with Zaandam and Rotterdam emblazoned on it (both places in the Netherlands, just about the other side of the globe). Apparently the MS Zaandam is a cruiseship owned by the Holland America Line with home port Rotterdam.
As to the video, informative as always. Thank you for keeping us updated
Hope you enjoyed some time in Metro Vancouver and checked out some things before sailing to Alaska. Either that or hit it on your way back.
I'm not sure Port Metro Vancouver officials realize they have a shipping celebrity influencer rolling through. 😄
It failed because it was a stupid idea.
My uncle taught me the difference between a ship and a boat. You can put a boat on a ship, but you can’t put a ship on a boat… a very wise old mariner 😊🦅
"You can ship a boat, but you can't boat a ship." :)
Unless you're on the Great Lakes, where there are 1000 foot long boats.
I've heard that before, but never in any type of official capacity. Even the Navy didn't have an actual definition of the two. One of the ones I liked best was that it depends on if the vessel heals in or out of a turn.
Bottomline, it really makes no difference.
Have and do valued you good comments on shipping matters. Thank you. Continue. Your experience adds value and weight to your videos. Enjoying your series on MSC. Fare winds and following seas.
Either Napoleon or Frederick the Great first popularized the idea that logistics matter, and this became the saying, "An army marches on its stomach." Sadly, we keep ignoring that very basic principle.
This mission was assembled ad hoc and it shows concerning weaknesses. The US was trying to help, but.... Thanks Sal.😊
The amount of taxpayer money wasted on these ridiculous schemes is infuriating.
This saddens my inner Seabee
Very informative as usual . Thanks!
I want the truth! You can't handle the truth! Son, your State department is writing checks your Defense department can't cash.
As an israely, i never anderstude why thy didnt use Ahdod port.
I guess because it is located in Israel and therefore does not offer the perspective of being the harbour of a future independent Palestinian state
"I'm here from the government and I'm here to help ".
Oh don't worry, you'll hear that soon when TrumpPolice come to confiscate your computer because you watch p*rn!😂 (gotta c*nsor for jootoob, sorry!)
Thanks for the rundown Professor. This thing was ill conceived from the start. Terrible to put our personnel in harm's way for this cluster of a PR stunt. They should get campaign ribbons for this at least, and other decorations as demonstrated.
Those in charge set up their team for failure. It is sad to see good people working hard with lead weights around their legs...😢
The positives of the deployment are the lessons learned that can result in better techniques for the future and needs for more resources.
I can't believe you've bought the US BS.
@@captainwin6333indeed. This was a capability that we lost. We used to be able to do these things. But through incompetence, mismanagement, lack of care, and the rot that all of this causes, we are in our current situation.
This is systemic. It's unlikely to get fixed just because of a few reports.
@@justhecukewhat about the ability of the US government to demand that Israel lets benough food aid into Gaza?
I still don't understand how all the so called "experts" didn't see this coming. Everyone in those MOS's, Occ Specialties, or civilian jobs, that do this for a living had to have been just totally cringing the entire time. Thinking I TOLD YOU SO!
"Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk Logistics"...Omar Bradley
The US Military preaches mission command, what they practice is the 8000 mile screwdriver.
To my fellow army transportation members you guys did as best as you could be proud I am of you. You were set to fail but you still kicked ass. This army transportation veteran is proud of you
these kinds of failures can be very helpful if the lessons learned get identified and implemented. that's a big "if" though.
From go to woe, i.e. may 17 til june 28, less than 9,000 tonnes of aid went ashore. This was equivalent to ONE day's delivery by trucks pre oct 7.
So our suspicions of ulterior motives seem totally justified. The red herring morphed into a white elephant.
Hm. Sounds like the President ordered a hot-potato be delivered and the Pentagon spent a bunch of time tossing it around.
wtf is happening in this comment section, well thanks for the information, seems this video got recommended to alot of people that have had their brains rotted by politics and cant even digest the info you provided
Good piece. Ultimately the responsibility is political. It was a window dressing exercise. Zero expectation of success on the part of the initiators from the start.
It was mean't to be a gesture to appease outrage in the Muslim community. A bit of footage a pic and job done.
This disaster sounded more like a publicity stunt instead of realstic mission
I'm actually a longshoremen from Prince Rupert B C here, both my grandfather's were longshoremen 👊😎👍.nice work, good job I love it, wish I could be there
This was such a hasty decision that was made for political pressure. It was reactionary, and wasn’t really given thought.
Military experts I’m sure knew it was a joke but were afraid to speak up worried about rank and pensions. Abject failure.
Good video, I was at ACB-ONE for 2 years working with causeways, back then we had what was called ELCAS, elevated causeway system, basically we could drive steel pilings into the bottom and elevate the entire causeway system out of the water, designed for rough water areas.
Even at the command level, you work with the tools you have, not the tools that you would like to have. This will be a lesson for why we weren’t doing it before, long before.
My first impression was that's a dumb idea... My final opinion now, still a dumb idea.
Where i live in Europe a 3 foot wave is considered a mere ripple on the surface of the water.
It is.
When I was a Marine assigned to the USS's Peleliu's ship's company working on support equipment I would call it a boat just to annoy my coworkers. Navy guys hate hearing boat.
Have heard carriers called "boats" by aircrew all the time.
It's a boat. Period.
Every us navy vessel and every merchant vessel i have ever sailed on was a "boat", from the Ranger to the flat bottom LST they were all boats.
The US Navy generally refers to subs as boats, and the Air Wing calls the carrier a boat. I found one explanation that the difference if if the vessel heals in or out when turning.
Bottomline, I have never found any concrete difference in the definition of either boat or ship.
The Pentagon has a trillion dollar budget, and wastes a third of it.
What is your point?
@@Chicago-Gem This was just another waste.
Thanks Sal for another very informative video. Wishing you the best for the rest of your "boat" ride, and a safe trip home. 😊
After seeing the movie "Titanic" all the women were saying, "Oh, Leo. Oh, Kate." and all the men were saying, "Wow, what a boat!"
Actually... I was saying "when does this friggin movie end?" After the movie, I swore not to countenance any production with Decaprio in it ever again.
The poor sods who had to make it work will not be acknowledged in any way that counts. Meanwhile, there will be promotions and back slapping much higher up.
Thanks Sal, for this evaluation of this Gaza Pier Project!
thanks for taking time to make this, seems like the understanding of JLOTS capabilities and limitations was not well understood at the joint chief level.
@ 6:30 looks like no-one taught proper rigging to keep the load level.
💁🏽♂️ being in logistics is not the fast track to a O-7 🌟......This was a White House West Wing run operation from start to fail.😣
I agree with your opinion 🤠
You even predicted a “failure “ of this operation - and you were correct 👍🏽
When these assets left the states , I remarked that this was doomed to failure from the start..pontoons have a poor record of success and the Med can cut up rough. I was the beach master for the Royal Marines for three years and have watched all the failures of this sort of evolution. The staffing of this was chaotic and without a hope.
Sal’s got his swim trunks. He’s got his flippy floppies. He’s on a boat.
you like comedy? KillTony monday night live shows
Nice to see Hank alive and well
@@L0dG Better Call Sal!
Or you, those who would maintain it would have to be Gazans...
and while great at buildings underground... When it comes to infrastructure, they are 'better' at pulling it out. Rather than maintain.
It failed because it was a stupid idea, a 60 million dollar talking point
@@sgs1262 what do you mean 60 million? We are well into the hundreds of millions.
I get it! It was not a crew issue. They don’t know that the civilians will see the bad decisions so they need to shape up. We look so dumb. Love to you. Hope you and your family had a good vacation. ❤❤❤❤
Sal, you are a very bright and seasoned guy. A pleasure to understand events with your guidance.
Unfortunately, our government hasnt learned anything, nor has the Navy or the Army. The US Mariner and their jobs are in intensive care and on a very old ventilator. In the 30's to come, US mariners will be akin to Namibian mariner numbers. We are dying as an industry.
Multiple failures. But most of the blame belongs to the Pentagon. The Secretary on down. CJCS (not chain of command but undoubtedly involved), Regional commander and staff. Army and staff. What happened to PLANNING (not mentioned)? And most of all, who got fired?!? This is a microcosm of the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan. Embarrassing. Compare it to a much, much more challenging resupply mission, the Berlin Airlift. Massive tactical, operational, and strategic success against all odds. The President and NSC does not do planning and execution. They frankly don’t know scheisse. But nobody in today’s Pentagon hierarchy is in charge, accountable, and aggressive. Who got fired for Afghanistan?!? And nobody will be fired for this one, either. No accountability and oversight means incompetence, fraud, and failure. And it cannot be fixed unless and until individual humans in the chain of command are held accountable. 🇺🇸
Yes, but the women can now get tax payer abortions and the men can get tax payer money to pay for their sex change operations. Sounds like the Pentagon is doing a fabulous job at doing everything except fighting a war. 🤣
Solid facts.
I had a tutor who was part of the ground distribution side of the Berlin Airlift, and hearing about it from someone who was there was impressive. I later knew a German lady who was one of the children receiving food from it, and her stories from that time were impressive.
Sorry, not understanding why you think a few sex change operations somehow caused the brass to make a bad decision to deploy this pier to a place it was designed for. Your evidence for this connection?
@@danielgreer9811 Maybe _you_ should go watch the first video he did on this; this was _not_ fit for purpose in the first place, and everyone involved knew it. There were better things, but they aren't available through the military at this time.
Surpised at this result, all my life i've always considered the Americans to be undisputed masters of good logistics.
It was a matter of a politician deciding how to employ a capability/system. Not the competence of the guys/gals on the ground. Like me trying to tell a doctor what to do with a patient.
Great analysis. Thanks Sal!
Welcome to the Modern Military Logistics Systems. If it needs done it get contracted. How else will those defense contractors make money? Meant to be a tad bit tongue-in-cheek but the truth hurts.
This operation was ill-conceived from the very beginning. Even superficial data from history would demonstrate that these attempts to provide supplies to/on a beach are very problematic at best. I am a Navy vet (aviation) and this is not my area of expertise, but even I believed this was more of a political demonstration than a prudent plan. It should have been obvious at the start that even moderate sea states would have been a major challenge. Moreover, the risk to the personnel were potentially very serious, and seemed to have been dismissed; it was very fortunate that there were not significant casualties. Where was the thinking on the part of the DOD in this boondoggle? Are they as indifferent or thoughtless as they seemed to be? Do we learn anything from the past? Very depressing story.
Love your vids & info...Bon voyage & enjoy the buffets 🍸& family
WW2 during the invasion they built two artificial harbors with piers. They did not just build a pier.
I bet all the generals will get another ribbon out this. There will be no lessons learned.
I wonder if polit itians have any shares in the company that provided the pier. Sounds like a lot of money was spent for the usual reason.
The people making these decisions. Don’t make good decisions.
I enjoy your channel and what you have done with the JLOTS and explaining it. The LCU-2000 went through a Service life extension. The Wilson Wharf hasn't done that yet. The vessel I sailed to Israel and one other LCU had the SLEP done. The SLEP vessel towed the Wilson Warf to the Canaries. The Caterpillar engines performed outstanding. The SLEP paid off. The Soldiers kicked ass in their performance. We did not fail. We travelled across the Atlantic, established a pier and delivered over 20 million pounds of humanitarian aid. I think the one thing missing from the news, your reporting, and all the other reporting is what is the definition of success in a JLOTS mission. Were there issues, expected and unexpected? Yes. Did we overcome those? Yes. Have we seen all those issues before in training? Yes. We know how to do it, adapt to changing situations, and get the job done. Sorry if it seems a bit angry but I was there and was with the Soldiers. I will defend them. Again, I love your channel and you have done a good job reporting but I think there is more to what you are saying.
I love an ocean view cabin with an obstructed view.
BTW working at the shipyard (for 40 years), we always went down to the boat, be that a submarine or aircraft carrier. Same for all the Navy crew.
Decay + stupidity = FAILURE
X DEI
Why build a floating pier when you have roads?
Roads from where? Egypt? Well, they have their own problems with Hamas. From Israel? Well they have their own issues with Hamas.
. . . because, "Duh."
Cargo ships carry cargoes for fucking _reasons!_
_"Why don't all those Chinese exports the U.S. imports just come by trucks on roads, it wouldn't be that hard to build a bridge across the Bering Straight!"_
The pier failed because Brandon and Kamala were involved.
Brandon who ? And what the fuck does the VP have to do with a military operation like that?
My captain is on that same boat with you. It wild that you’re there at the same time.
On today's episode of What's going on with shipping: Sal, the 🐐, still on a boat, ehhh.
Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics. If logistics truly is a low priority, that is a damning commentary on the current batch of generals and admirals.
@@Dennis-vh8tz It doesn't put you on the fast track getting a star on your shoulder. No one's paying to watch Top Gun :Maverick. The story of Pete Mitchell; C-130 pilot.
They are all accredited experts in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion however…
Seabees were not involved.
In other, but related news: the US Navy is getting far fewer Officers recruited then it wants. I can't get good info on the quality of Navy officer recruits. Reportedly, the whole US military is short about 45,000.
Well in an cultural environment that does not value traditional American values what do you expect? We are fucked in the next big one. And there will be.
@@user-ex3lo7pk9j these "traditional american values" only exclude people from joining
Check out the treatment of black americans during ww1
If you are refering to these "traditional american values"(racism) then dont expect anyone exept the poorest to join
1. It never mattered if it worked. 2. They did something so to them it looked good. 3. Some government contractor made a lot of money so who gives a rats whisker.
Every military that fails to understand and fails to implement logistics fails. It is as real as gravity, and for them to not recognize the absolute indispensable nature of logistics is criminal negligence. There is no environment of conflict or logistics does not play an overwhelmingly, divisive and decisive role. When you outrun your supplies, you stop running in fact you start movingbackwards. This is foolish for the military to not place logistics just behind war fighters.
This isn't military logistics, it was supposed to be humanitarian aid. There has been no issues getting military supplies to Israel. The US is extremely competent at logistics when they want to be.
It's why King Herod built Caesaria.