The Woman Caught in Adultery | Bible Study w/ Aquinas

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  • Today we'll begin a three part series on John 8:1-11 (The woman caught in adultery).
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    📖 Here is the text from the ESV:
    but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. Early in the morning, he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”
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  • @shbsuri
    @shbsuri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I have been watching all of them and have learned a lot from Thomas Aquinas’s commentary.

  • @leighalvarado424
    @leighalvarado424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This made me cry...."maybe it wasn't her repenting that lead her to Christ's mercy but Christ's mercy that lead to her repentance"...beautiful.

  • @JM-qs8up
    @JM-qs8up 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Please keep it up! What a great way to incorporate the great Saint’s knowledge into bite size chunks for us

  • @dianetoshferrazzano2685
    @dianetoshferrazzano2685 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yes! I’m a new convert. My husband and I Confirmed in 2020😊 I’m truly enjoying your studies.

  • @MFHessels
    @MFHessels 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really appreciate these. I listen to them and other episodes at work, and they help me keep God in mind through the day.

  • @kameelffarag
    @kameelffarag 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    You are a sincere Christian indeed. I agonise to see that precious women with the heart of motherhood can ever be comfortable to comment the most heinous offence of abortion.

  • @Mizaurdaeg
    @Mizaurdaeg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    God bless you Matt, may the Lord keep you and your family.

  • @dorianwalker1408
    @dorianwalker1408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve listened to each of your bible studies and have benefited greatly from them. Today, for the first time, I listened to this episode with my wife, who had not heard one before. When you suddenly were interrupted at 9:50 and invited those who had had abortions to say “come into me, jesus,” it hit us like a bolt from the blue, confused because it seemed unrelated but also because you were speaking to us. Your video was how the holy spirit chose to speak to us today, so I just wanted to say thank you for your work and praise God brother, I hope to see another bible study next week.

  • @stasia9904
    @stasia9904 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please continue bible studies!! I love them and they help me to reflect on my life and God’s Word & helps me understand the Bible better

  • @SterlingJames
    @SterlingJames 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Matt. Please continue to post these studies. I like your format of breaking these stories up in bits and doing a modified lectio divina on particular sentences. The substituting your sin with this woman’s sin brings things home to me and I imagine your audience too. Then you read from St. Aquinas writings to bring a perspective or clarity that further helps us sinners. God Bless and thank you.

  • @FranceNovelty
    @FranceNovelty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yes, I really appreciate these Bible studies. Very insightful. Thank you!

  • @davidapernia
    @davidapernia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really enjoying these studies! I especially like how concise they are, I think the 15-20 time frame is perfect for listening in the car, during a short period of free time, etc. Thank you for your ministry!

  • @cameronring4103
    @cameronring4103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes... Please continue these. Every Sunday I read a book in the Bible then listen to your Bible study lesson on it, it's really helpful!

  • @johnobeid67
    @johnobeid67 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    God bless and preserve you Matt. I’m just gobsmacked by how lovingly and sensitively you presented this study. I suppose you were working with great material and you are just transmitting it, but you just do it so well!

  • @VABJMJ
    @VABJMJ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is glorious! Please keep doing this!

  • @spidersoldier1039
    @spidersoldier1039 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Matt, yes these are helpful. Thank you for sharing insights from Aquinas. I realize that Aquinas had a lot to say, but if there are others that have had meaningful insights that would be a welcomed addition.

  • @lindaaitken7267
    @lindaaitken7267 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I look forward to these every week, they’re so helpful. God bless and keep up the good work!

  • @cherokeegypsy2617
    @cherokeegypsy2617 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoying these studies and hope you continue with many more to come! You are in my prayers, brother Matt, and may God bless you and yours.

  • @dylangous
    @dylangous 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love these Bible studies Matt!

  • @J.Aleksander
    @J.Aleksander 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love these studies! Aquinas is my favorite theologian and these have been so helpful. God bless you Matt!

  • @nathanlass9963
    @nathanlass9963 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, PLEASE continue doing these bible studies!! Very very helpful

  • @lukealvarado8511
    @lukealvarado8511 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love these, Matt! Don't stop!

  • @mpmatko
    @mpmatko 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great, please keep it up. Good bless!

  • @charliek2557
    @charliek2557 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    These have been excellent. my wife and I have benefitted much from the ones we listened to so far. Please keep doing them and thank you for all your hard work.

  • @davesimmons1661
    @davesimmons1661 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt please keep the Bible studies coming. Just the right time frame. I very much enjoy your point of view and the readings from Saint Thomas. Each time the scripture chosen has hit home. I love hearing scripture again for the first time.

  • @skylergroen
    @skylergroen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This helps! Keep doing them!

  • @kaimurimagu5804
    @kaimurimagu5804 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate the studies. It's a great surprise how two or three lines can be so profound when you do a commentary. Please keep doing them.

  • @heatherhampf2007
    @heatherhampf2007 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very helpful. Keep doing them please!

  • @sharipotter6137
    @sharipotter6137 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please continue! I have learned so much - wish they were more often. The length is just right.

  • @marykatewilliams3832
    @marykatewilliams3832 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes! I love these Bible studies! Please continue!

  • @fredtrevino9201
    @fredtrevino9201 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt, this is an exceptional Bible Study and I sincerely hope that you keep it up. The focus on scripture is refreshing. The length of the video is just right.....not too long but long enough to be substantive. And the notes from Aquinas very interesting. This is something that both Catholic and Protestant can come together on. You have an excellent voice that is a gift from God. Thank you. I’ll be looking for future editions,

  • @Msc762
    @Msc762 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks Matt for taking tine sharing the word of God we love it

  • @jf4179
    @jf4179 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    These are great. Thanks Matt!

  • @christopherlowe5382
    @christopherlowe5382 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for those three videos. I defiantly subscribed. Thank you. May God bless you and your work.
    Thank you so, much 😊

  • @jacquelinedawson205
    @jacquelinedawson205 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the best bible study so far! And I love all of them! Keep up reading St. Thomas Aquinas to us please! It is so great!

  • @cindyb5065
    @cindyb5065 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Brother Matt, I will pray for you as you have touched my life deeply with your teachings. You have been instrumental in encouraging my search for knowledge in apologetics. May the Holy Spirit continue to inspire you. Many blessings and the peace and love of Jesus to you and yours.

  • @morganandinggomes8485
    @morganandinggomes8485 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've learned so much! Keep doing these videos!

  • @antoniahicks320
    @antoniahicks320 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have been thoroughly enjoying these studies. You are doing a great job encouraging me to enjoy scripture more.

  • @christopherlowe5382
    @christopherlowe5382 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    First video I’ve seen, well second, you was interviewing someone, guess that does not count.
    Impressed, and even stopped in my tracks when you became sensitive to the Holy Spirit for what ever reason, you welcomed in a confession of forgiveness during your broadcast. God is so faithful and good.
    Good use of text your using. Was happy to listen. Thank you

  • @solomon7313
    @solomon7313 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looking forward to it

  • @juliesaddler9775
    @juliesaddler9775 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please continue the Bible studies, I always get something out of them.

  • @ashwith
    @ashwith 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please do continue these Matt, I not only watch the videos, but I also take notes - almost 50 pages written so far (I counted)! I look forward to these each week.

  • @johns3video
    @johns3video 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Came here specifically to respond to your ask for feedback. I normally listen to Pints with Aquinas via podcast rather than youtube and really enjoy them. The longer format episoces 1hr+ can be hard to find time for. That said, these recent bible studies have been FANTASTIC. I really like how they are shorter so easier to make time for. The content is excellent too helping me to reflect more deeply and prayerfully on scripture. Keep up the good work!

  • @inchristworship4601
    @inchristworship4601 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this teaching.

  • @kevinhodges867
    @kevinhodges867 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please continue with these. Please!

  • @kellygay3650
    @kellygay3650 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m recently baptized- and am learning a lot from this series. Thank you

  • @ryanneclaritas
    @ryanneclaritas 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    For what it’s worth, I really enjoy these Bible studies.

  • @edbarcenas88
    @edbarcenas88 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I appreciate these videos it truly helps me.

  • @mchisam
    @mchisam 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Matt. Been listening for awhile but just wanted you to know how much your bible study(s) have meant to me. Your study on the women caught in adultery really gave me hope that there is truely “no condemnation in Christ Jesus”

  • @anthonybardsley4985
    @anthonybardsley4985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Many century's later the Catholic Church has recently learned not to confemn the sinner.. Thank God for preacher like John Wesley. Spurgeon, William booth. True holy spirit filled and lead preachers

  • @aleeshamathew8655
    @aleeshamathew8655 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    These classes are so amazing😊

  • @Pilgrimofhope7
    @Pilgrimofhope7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see more of these bible commentaries. Thank you

  • @Thestorbob
    @Thestorbob 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you, very interesting video.

  • @alexgeorge7473
    @alexgeorge7473 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please keep doing these bible studies. I actually wish they were longer.

  • @bozz284
    @bozz284 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍🏻 enjoying these.

  • @Menzobarrenza
    @Menzobarrenza 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was beneficial to me. Thank you.

  • @susiefromomaha
    @susiefromomaha 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You are doing fine with these studies. I look forward to them. I'm probably one of your oldest listeners. 65. Not quite fossilized but close. Anyway, I find your sense of humor to my liking, also. You're honest, very human and humble and that is refreshing. God bless, Matt.

  • @silviapatrascu7467
    @silviapatrascu7467 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please continue to do this videos 🙏

  • @feliciajoachim5510
    @feliciajoachim5510 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wonderful! Thank you!

  • @sandro-eliesaad9541
    @sandro-eliesaad9541 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Hey Matt! Could you please mention from where were you reading Aquinas' teachings? Much appreciation :) ~a subscriber

    • @evansmith2018
      @evansmith2018 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think he is reading from Aquinas' commentary on John. Also, Matt is taking a tech sabbath this month, so I doubt he will respond for a while.

    • @sandro-eliesaad9541
      @sandro-eliesaad9541 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@evansmith2018 yes, I searched for it and indeed there is a book named as you mentioned.. Thanks!

  • @heberherrera8050
    @heberherrera8050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    They’re perfect please do more God bless you

  • @jeaninemarielewakowski5974
    @jeaninemarielewakowski5974 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bless you, for doing
    this Bible Study!
    Please keep doing
    it!
    This is very special
    to me.
    You truly love, our
    Lord Jesus, & our
    Catholic Faith!
    Thank You for that,
    & for the readings,
    of St. Thomas
    Aquinas!🎵🕭🎻🎼

  • @Jason1460V
    @Jason1460V 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic and keep it up

  • @sarahbartsch3275
    @sarahbartsch3275 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Matt, I love these and I think you are doing a great work. I appreciate your insights and those of Aquinas. Sometimes, though, Aquinas makes a statement that you are unprepared to unpack and I wish that you were. I know you want to keep it fresh and that is why you don't heavily prepare these. Maybe you could insert a supplimental clip with a more thorough explanation for those tricky passages. Again, I really appreciate all that you do and that your and your wife's ministries have done for me personally. God bless.

  • @jtaylor50
    @jtaylor50 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really great! Are you using the word on fire bible for this, and what do you think of it after having it for a while?

  • @ramirezramirez4204
    @ramirezramirez4204 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    New and have subscribed ❤️

  • @austinrucker3853
    @austinrucker3853 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I enjoy the bible studies.

  • @christopherlowe5382
    @christopherlowe5382 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry, I forgot to mention to ask, what particular Thomas Aquinas commentary are using, please.
    I am a beginning theology student.
    The commentary you used for Thomas Aquinas has a lot of good material - such detail. You gave his work so much credit. I would like to read this particular commentary, please.

  • @chrislindeman4424
    @chrislindeman4424 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, first off I love the content. As a college student these are so easy for me to spend my extra time doing instead of social media. One question...
    At 10:50 you were talking about the truth genteelness and justice of Jesus and referenced psalm 44:5. I looked it up and was a little confused how it fit. Maybe I went to the wrong place. Could anyone explain this for me?

  • @InfantGerald
    @InfantGerald 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Listening to on 3/22/21

  • @Aw00o
    @Aw00o 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice

  • @ednaperez5653
    @ednaperez5653 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please continue reading the Bible. (My Name is Daniel) and I find this refreshing. I think we would evangelize a lot better with Protestants if they actually saw more of this; that Catholics actually read the Bible and spend time in God's word, striving to live a holy life to grow closer to Jesus. I find this more appealing to the heart, then the constant arguing over Doctrine and Dogma with Protestants. As a cradle Catholic myself that left and went to a Protestant church for several years, only to return to the Catholic faith by the grace of God. I find this more beneficial enabling us to grow in holiness and this is way more helpful in growing closer to Jesus. The arguing over Doctrine and Dogma is useful sometimes and helped me return to the Catholic faith but now I find that too much of it just helps me grow into a Pharisee. (I have to admit I find myself sounding like a Pharisee to much and then I have to check my heart) I think as Catholic after the Protestant Reformation we got so defensive trying to prove to everyone that we are God's original Church that somewhere along the line that's all we ever talk about. We need more TH-cam channels like yours with Catholics reading the Bible and trying to grow in holiness. So please, I beg you continue to read the Bible continue to show how we can live the faith. Help us grow in holiness. ( I do admit I do appreciate learning about Doctrine and Dogma, but It is almost impossible to find a Catholic TH-cam channel that reads the Bible and talks about how we can apply our faith in real life.) Usually I have to go to Protestant TH-cam channels to find that. And unfortunately some times they teach errors, so that's why it's so important that we have more Catholic TH-camrs reading the word of God and helping us apply it in our day-to-day lives. So even if you only get one view a week please continue to do this because it's a huge need for Catholics looking for this content online. And hopefully it'll help more Catholics to open up their Bibles because God's word strengthens us. I also hope and pray that this more videos like this (reading Gods word and trying to grow in holiness with a longing and love for God and the love of the Holy Spirit burning in our hearts) will help Muslims and people of other Faith's to come to know that the Bible is truly God's word and that he established a church a Holy Roman Catholic Church. God bless you for doing this. God bless you and your family. Continue to be the salt of the earth and a light in the Darkness. God bless you

  • @jeaninemarielewakowski5974
    @jeaninemarielewakowski5974 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeanine Faith
    Marie Fitzpatrick-
    Lewakowski- From
    comment!

  • @josephjude1290
    @josephjude1290 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think these videos are great; add some more Eastern saints and it would be even better. Great channel though.

  • @michaelmichael11
    @michaelmichael11 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    If only the author of John had been alive to witness the addition of this (admittedly great) story.

  • @heroicacts5218
    @heroicacts5218 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good job Matt.
    Please have God’s peace invading your heart. It is difficult sometimes, but remember Isaiah 41:10.

  • @frodericfrankenstein7590
    @frodericfrankenstein7590 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What always amazes me about this story that Matt misses completely is that, if she was caught in the act, then where was the man she was caught with? Why was he not bought to Jesus? Why was the sin of the woman singled out? Was she set up? So many questions.

    • @jebe4563
      @jebe4563 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's very important. www.crosswalk.com/blogs/dr-julie-barrier/what-did-jesus-really-write-in-the-sand.html

  • @winnelson1135
    @winnelson1135 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    We don’t know if she repented, but Jesus would know. It’s not hard to imagine that she was afraid, because she knew what the men wanted to happen to her.

  • @pollypeguin
    @pollypeguin 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jeremiah 17:13 refers to the Sins of Judah (which are defined in Jeremiah 5 which included they fornicating with prostitutes in the Harley’s house). The woman likely was a prostitute and the reason the Pharisees dropped their stones because the 2nd time Jesus went to write in the sand they recognized he making a point of comparing them to the priests foretold in Jeremiah who committed the Sins of Judah in Jeremiah 5:7 “How can I be merciful to thee? thy children have forsaken me, and swear by them that are not gods: I fed them to the full, and they committed adultery, and rioted in the harlot's house” Jeremiah 5:8 “They are become as amorous horses and stallions, every one neighed after his neighbor's wife…..
    Then In Jeremiah 17:13 the Lord prophesied “
    O Lord the hope of Israel: all that forsake thee shall be confounded: they that depart from thee, shall be written in the earth: because they have forsaken the Lord, the vein of living waters.” Notice the reference to “their alters” Jesus is referring to the corruption of Pharisees
    No one from the Scribes Pharisees comes forward to offer the name of the male co-accused and no witness comes forward (2 or more witnesses are required for s just trial). No one wants to admit to being in the Harley’s house to have witnessed anything because Jesus is taking holding a just trial and not a corrupt mock trial. Out of fear and embarrassment (not guilt) do they drop their stones one by one starting with the eldest. They don’t want their sins exposed for fornicating with prostitutes and rioting in the house of prostitution. Corrupt officials taking advantage of prostates and condemning (major hypocrisy) is what is playing out in this passage. Tradition holds the woman was a prostitute and tradition holds the Pharisees were lusting after them and oppressing them. To understand this passage read it in the context of Jeremiah 5 and Jeremiah 17.
    Truth: He came to seek the lost
    Mercy: He does not abandon Mercy because he cannot convict without a witness
    Just: He does not condemn because he can’t unless the witnesses follow through but he can tell her to sin no more

  • @dominikpavelic5339
    @dominikpavelic5339 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I recommend reading A Lapide commentary. There's entire Bible commented, but only new testament translated from Latin in English online. Google it. IT IS AWESOME. It is very rich and often quoted Church Fathers.

  • @dustinellerbe4125
    @dustinellerbe4125 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wasn't this story added to the gospel and wasn't in the earliest manuscripts?

  • @paradisecityX0
    @paradisecityX0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The story is an interpolation btw

  • @kataiwannhn
    @kataiwannhn 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would have rather compared this scripture to the baptism of Jesus Christ as described in John 1:29-34. But everyone looks for their own heroes to follow.

  • @zarathustratata834
    @zarathustratata834 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍👍

  • @skellingtonmeteoryballoon
    @skellingtonmeteoryballoon 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about women caught in mix yoked marriage?
    The struggle is reaaaaal

  • @defenestratefalsehoods
    @defenestratefalsehoods ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why did you not mention that this story is not found in the earlier bibles from the 4th and 5th centuries. Just like mark 16:9-20 it was added centuries later. How do you know what jesus said if this was just added centuries later and not original?

  • @megaloschemos9113
    @megaloschemos9113 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So technically, Jesus wasn't acting according to 'sola scriptura' at this point. Although he is the word become flesh...but it makes me ponder

  • @Mike-qc8xd
    @Mike-qc8xd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes I like them

  • @berkan7662
    @berkan7662 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    14:15 right but pretty sure thats an allusion to Adam and eve.

  • @skyyy1750
    @skyyy1750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about woman being called a dog by jesus ?

    • @skyyy1750
      @skyyy1750 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Moonspell OOH REALLY 😯. In Matthew 15:21-28, Jesus encounters a Canaanite (Syrophoenician) woman who begs Him to cure her daughter. Jesus initially refuses her request by saying, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs”

    • @TheLilragu
      @TheLilragu 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dogs in the bible are people who a gentiles/pagans like me and you. JESUS never sent her away. The patience of prayer, is what is important,. She was a canaanite women. The canaanites were mortal enemies of G-d's people. With a little faith and prayer JESUS loves and forgives everyone.(her faith saved her)

    • @kaimurimagu5804
      @kaimurimagu5804 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jesus doesn't call the Syro-Phoenician woman a dog! He tests her faith and persistence by using an expression whose meaning and significance were well known by her, which is why she responds, "Very true, sir, but even the dogs eat their fill from the scraps that fall from the master's table". This is another case of literal reading and a complete refusal of any nuance to a conversation - or any cultural context. I mean honestly, if Jesus called her a dog, she wouldn't have responded as she did - and there would have been no miracle.
      Just like Jesus telling His Mother at Cana,"Woman, what is that to me? My hour has not come!" And His Mother, rather than get offended, proceeds to tell the servants, "Do whatever He tells you"... And He performs His first miracle at a wedding. If He was to be taken literally, how in the world does that make sense?"
      Please let's have some nuance and depth of reflection when reading scripture. It's pretty much a matter of course that the meaning goes deeper than just the literal.

  • @jamesforeman3096
    @jamesforeman3096 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    wait... he does know this text is not part of the Bible right??

  • @ibz4975
    @ibz4975 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wasn't this story a later addition into the bible?? The NIV says that this story wasn't in the original manuscripts and was made up by someone who added it later? Why would you care about it if its made up?

  • @izzyjames9924
    @izzyjames9924 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So Jesus sinned?
    "Let the one among you who is without sin cast the first stone."
    "No one has condemned me."
    "Neither do I condemn you"
    By the law, Jesus should have thrown a stone right? But he did not. It seems either Jesus sinned(flipping tables maybe?) Or he did in fact prioritize mercy over law but in a way that the pharisees couldnt see?
    I dont know, im not a theologian.

    • @shbsuri
      @shbsuri 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He isn’t included in “any of you.”

    • @izzyjames9924
      @izzyjames9924 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@shbsuri why not? He is there, and he knows the sin she committed and knows the law of moses. I think this is Jesus specifically raising mercy over the law of moses in this passage, unless of course jesus did sin and thus *couldn't* by his own suggestion cast the first stone.
      Isnt this precisely why we dont stone people anymore? Because Jesus said the law of moses isnt relevant anymore and peace and mercy are more important that absolute justice?

    • @kaimurimagu5804
      @kaimurimagu5804 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But precisely by the law, Christ underlined His mission. "He came not to condemn the world but to save it." So He's completely within His mission when He doesn't stone her. He came that we might have life and have it abundantly, starting with a freedom from sin, hence His words, "Go in peace, and sin no more" the words of absolution .
      Secondly, the death of the adulterous sinner by stoning would be just if both she and her partner were stoned - she wasn't found committing adultery by herself...so there's no justice here.
      And third, also by the law, Christ offers Himself to die for our sinners to pay the price and redeem us. So there is no point in His stoning her, because He took her place in the punishment for sin.
      In this way both absolute justice and absolute mercy embrace.

    • @izzyjames9924
      @izzyjames9924 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kaimurimagu5804 I dont think people are quite seeing what im getting at.
      Mercy and justice are complete opposites. You can't have absolute mercy and absolute justice anymore than you can have an absolutely married absolute bachelor. Mercy is the suspension of punishment someone justly deserves. The law of moses says Jesus SHOULD meaning morally ought to condemn the woman, but he chooses not to. He says "sin no more" so he knows she sinned, but relinquishes the punishment prescribed by the law of moses.
      Ive been thinking about this for like 2 hours now and the only way I can see it is Jesus overuling the 'justice' of the law of moses with his mercy. Mercy over Justice. Like you put it, saving over condemning. Forgiveness over retribution.
      I promise im trying to understand your point of view too but its just not making sense of the passage.

    • @kaimurimagu5804
      @kaimurimagu5804 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@izzyjames9924 , let me try to explain what I mean. I hope it helps. Mercy and Justice cannot be at odds because they exist in infinite perfection in God. They are attributes of God. Justice as a virtue has to do with giving everyone what is his or her due, and so our worship of God for example, our regular setting aside of time to pray to God - is one of the ways that we live justice. The virtue of religion - the ordered prayer and culture of worship is how we fulfill our debt of justice to God giving Him the best of ourselves, adoring Him and worshipping Him in the way that He has indicated we should - which is the ultimately the Mass, the Holy Eucharist ( Eucharist - a word whose roots mean Thanksgiving)
      Mercy has to do with forgiveness, with the choice to leave off vengeance - it doesn't nullify the evil or stop the fight against it, it is the choice to refuse to hate, or to continue the exchange of evil by revenge. These two attributes of God come together because every sin, every offence, however secret or silent or personal, is first of all a sin an offence against God. Every sin is a refusal of God's love, and a sin against justice. And then the Bible says,"Vengeance is mine" says the Lord" - meaning the One who is really the one sinned against first and most, reserves the right of restitution and payment of the debt incurred. How does Mercy come into play? What God's Justice requires, God's Mercy provides by offering His Son as the definitive Redeemer. Jesus Christ, God and Man, takes upon Himself the weight of all sins, the debt we have incurred by not giving God His due and by His suffering and death satisfies the Justice of God and forgives us in Mercy ...all for Love of us.
      In the Mass one of the prayers at the Offertory says,"Lord, our prayers add nothing to Your glory, and our thanksgiving is itself Your gift..." Our prayer is the means by which we align ourselves to God's will and to His Love - and that is the fight against evil. His forgiveness frees us from the debt and joins us in the struggle to live in God's love rather than in the slavery of sin. "All glory and honor and blessings and devotion and power and thanksgiving belong to Our God", said the elders in the Heavenly worship of Revelations. God deserves it because He is the Lord of all things and the Creator of all things. And in His goodness He creates beings who are free so that they can choose to love Him who Justly deserves their love or not (because there is no love without free will) and provides in His Justice and Mercy, a way for them to be reconciled to Him when they fall short ,"Go in peace, and sin no more" because He has given Himself as the payer of the debt incurred by us who could never possibly pay it .
      I hope I have helped a little. But also pray for clarity and ponder these things and read about virtue and the attributes of God. I am not the best at explaining this, I have just tried to show how I grasped and internalised this truth.

  • @ritawing1064
    @ritawing1064 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not in the original gospel, one wonders why it is so attractive? Augustine didn't like it because he thought it might be used as an excuse for adultery. Great punchline, of course, whoever thought it up

    • @JohnDeRosa1990
      @JohnDeRosa1990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It actually may be original. The evidence against it has often been overblown (e.g. it "floats" around when it actually does not; it's put in different places based on lectionary cycles and feast days), and the evidence for it has been underplayed (e.g. Jerome said it's in "many" of the best Greek and Latin manuscripts of his time). For a full case, check out James Snapp Jr.

    • @ritawing1064
      @ritawing1064 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JohnDeRosa1990 I did look Mr. Snapp up but I would think the crux of the matter is if you think his scholarship trumps e.g. Bart Ehrman's. My theology degree is from many years ago and it is hard to keep up, however, it does seem to be all too easy, human psychology being what it is, to find more convincing even "light" scholarship which fits with one's own convictions, so that duelling degrees in the end do not help us to objective conclusions, which is a pity.

    • @JohnDeRosa1990
      @JohnDeRosa1990 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ritawing1064 , I think an alternative is to look at the evidence on both sides and come to a position. What Snapp shows well is that the evidence presented by Metzger, Ehrman, White, Wallace, etc. needs to be nuanced and sometimes is just incorrect (e.g. the idea that the passage just "floats" around looking for a home is not correct in light of Snapp's further analysis). That's not to say there's overwhelming evidence in favor of the passage either, but it's not as obviously one-sided as some scholars make it seem.

  • @1984tr
    @1984tr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep in mind they sit to teach. So they wait till he is sitting and a crowd forms. They did not catch him on the way. Pure religious theater.

  • @user-ng4nn4zw6r
    @user-ng4nn4zw6r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What commandment given by Moses explicitly denounces watching others perform a sex act while touching one's self? I am not advocating anything by that question. My point is to keep the main thing, the main thing. I do not like it when people create new sins not identified in the book when there are so many sins that are clearly identified as sin. Many now are un-sinning clearly stated sins while creating new sins out of thin air. By doing so, this makes the one who is really sinning not feel so bad about his or her sins because he or she might believe that others are commiting sins, too.
    Here's an example. Some say that being angry is a sin. However, the book informs us according to:
    Ephesians 4:26
    King James Version
    26 Be ye angry, and sin not....
    Thus, anger is not sin since one can be angry and sin not.
    I say the above because when we substitute something not identified as sin in the place of sin, it detracts from REAL SINS, those behaviors that we are COMMANDED NOT OT DO OR TO DO according to what is written in the book.
    It may be nice to sweep the parking lot at your place of employment. But to be upset with the boss for not paying you extra money for sweeping the parking lot when that is not part of your job duties, reflects poorly on you, not on the boss.

  • @vfjpl1
    @vfjpl1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Don't you think it's misleading and insincere to not mention that the story was not in the original manuscripts?

  • @jvlp2046
    @jvlp2046 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Let us analyze the WOMAN caught in the Act of Adultery... According to the Law of Moses, if a Woman is caught in the act of Adultery, both the Woman and the Man who was caught in the act of Adultery must be presented to the High Priest or Judges, plus the accuser such as the husband of the woman and wife of the man must be presented too... If both are single, then it is not called Adultery but Fornication or Prostitution... The bible clearly said ADULTERY, therefore either both were married or one of them was married... correct?... YES
    In the Book of John, the Woman caught in the act of Adultery was presented "ALONE" by the Jewish High Priest with the Jewish people and presented to Christ Jesus for entrapment... Where was the MAN whom the woman was caught in the act of Adultery?... why not presented?... Why were their own Husband and Wife as the accuser not present too?... not presented also... why?...
    According to the Law of Moses, if proven both man and woman caught in the Act of Adultery are true, the FIRST to cast the stone on them are their own Husband and Wife, but where were they when they presented the woman to Christ Jesus... why the High Priest never presented all of them, but the woman alone to Christ Jesus?
    Perhaps, that was the reason why Christ Jesus bend down to the ground and wrote with his finger in the sand, nobody knows why and what Jesus' wrote, but perhaps Christ Jesus wrote that the Adultery case presented to him was a FRAUD/LIE... Christ Jesus knew very well the S.O.P. (Standard Operating Procedure) of the Law of Moses... most probably the woman is just a prostitute without a husband, thus her case was a Non-Jewish Prostitution and not a Jewish Adultery... thus the woman can not be stoned to death for she was not a Jew but a Gentile... If she was a Jew, where is her husband?... If both were single Jewish, then the case brought to Jesus was not supposed to be Adultery but FORNICATION... YES, it is true both Adultery and Fornication for the Jewish People are punishable by death...but why is the man not presented?... the woman can not fornicate by herself, Jewish people can not stone the woman alone... but both man and woman must die together by being stoned to death, that is the S.O.P. for the Law of Moses.
    Therefore, the ADULTERY case was weak and fraudulent, with lots of loopholes and technicalities to be prosecuted "Fairly and Justly"... Christ said, "I neither condemn you, go and sin no more."... The sin that Christ Jesus was telling the woman not to sin again, was about Prostitution (selling sex) because Christ knew she has no husband and the case is not about Adultery, the High Priest Lied to trap Jesus Christ... To God be the Glory, Power, and Honor in Christ Jesus name... Amen...

  • @user-ng4nn4zw6r
    @user-ng4nn4zw6r 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jesus did not come to show mercy to sinners. Jesus gave his mission statement at Levi's banquet as recorded in Luke 5:32:
    "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
    In other words, Jesus came to bring the unrighteous up to the level of righteousness. The key thing about repentance is for the sinner to turn from his or her wicked ways. Certain Pharisees were also present at Levi's banquet according to Luke chapter 5. Said pharisees heard Jesus proclaim his mission statement. So, later,, when it came to the woman caught in adultery, the Pharisees prompted Jesus in a manner to see whether he would remain on the side of repentance versus stand in opposition to THE LAW WHICH COMMANDED THAT the woman BE PUT to death.
    We in the present get to Monday-Morning-Quarterback about who and what Jesus is and his relationship to the Father. However, to the majority of the people at that time they didn't know Jesus as the messiah, at least not yet, i.e., WHO IS THIS MAN? Yes, many witnessed the miracles, but even in Moses' days, Pharaoh's magician's performed "magic" or what might be perceived as miracles.
    Jesus aligned his ministry up with the scriptures. Notice that often times Jesus would say things such as, "It is written" or "Have you not read?" or "Search the scriptures". This was to validate himself for the people's sake, such that if they believed what was written, then they should believe who he is.
    The essence of salvation is to get folks to obey God. All disobedience to God is sin. So, Jesus came to tell people, such as the woman caught in adultery, to obey GOD! Obeying God meant to turn to the things that GOD has commanded his creation to do, and to turn away from the things that GOD has commanded his creations not to do.
    Jesus never told the Pharisees to not stone the woman, nor did Jesus say that the law to stone the woman was in error. Actually, Jesus said stone her but do so in a specific order - sinless throw first. Of course, this type of response frustrated the Pharisees' purpose for hauling the woman across town to the temple and in front of the crowd (the purpose was to discredit Jesus before the crowd, and subsequently the crowd would likely turn on Jesus, thus, the Pharisees could then kill Jesus without being attacked by the crowd (since at that point the Pharisees would have assassinated Jesus' character before the crowd by portraying Jesus as an opposer of Moses and the Law). So, the Pharisees left Jesus and the woman intact and went on their way.
    In the end, we find that Jesus remained true to his Luke 5:32 mission statement, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." He told her to go and sin no more. THAT IS THE WHOLE MESSAGE, THE WHOLE MISSION, OF JESUS FOR THE WORLD, "Go and sin no more!"
    Many so-called preachers totally miss the meaning of this story. Some proclaim that Jesus was there to save the woman. Not so. Jesus was saving himself. The woman secondarily benefitted. Remember, the author informed the readers at the beginning of this story that the Pharisees brought the woman to Jesus in order to tempt Jesus so that the Pharisees could accuse Jesus. Had the Pharisees wanted to kill the woman, they had the authority of the law to stone her on site, no need to haul her across town to Jesus. Many also mistakenly believe the foolish teaching that the Jews were not allowed to put anyone to death without the Romans' permission. Pontius Pilate refuted that notion when they had brought Jesus to him to be put to death:
    John 18:
    31 Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and JUDGE HIM ACCORDING TO YOUR LAW. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:
    32 That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.
    In other words, The Pharisees could have stoned Jesus to death, but they could not crucify him on the cross, that was an ACT OF ROME. It made sense to them to have Rome to crucify Jesus rather than for the Pharisees to stone Jesus to death. It was likely that Jesus still had a following that might have come up against the Pharisees on Jesus' behalf. However, if the Romans crucified Jesus, then The Pharisees could say that the matter was out of their hands - that Jesus was found to be an enemy of Rome and as such he met his demise.

  • @terrynichols5714
    @terrynichols5714 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You do realize that you are talking about a FABLE. This story is not found in any MSS prior to 500 A.D. and was written by one of the Essene - not the Apostle John. If you want to hold yourself out as a scholar, be one.